Gag Order

How Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar muscled Tony Blair into silence.

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball | Newsweek Web Exclusive

Jul 30, 2008 | Updated: 5:49 p.m. ET Jul 30, 2008

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Posted By: Outsidebox @ 09/06/2008 8:34:37 AM

Comment: By all means, we need to become energy independent as soon as possible. Idealy, we should this tomorrow. Unfortunately, to change our hydrocarbon economy to a alternative energy economy will take time. Mr. Pickens has a good idea to use natural gas as bridge for the conversion. We must also realize that our economy will always need some oil. That said there is no excuse not to become energy independent as soon as that goal can be accomplished. We need to build Nuclear power plants to generate our electricity, this would keep us from freezing to death in the dark. We need to drill every where we can to produce our own sources of oil, I would like to point out that ethanol is not a viable alternative to hydrocarbons, because as we have see, when you divert grain that we eat and feed our livestock, to ethanol to burn in our cars, food prices go up, this is stupid. We need to develop solar, wind, geothermal and whatever other technology we can come up with to make us energy independent, urgent, like yesterday. It is also stupid for our Congressional leadership to put Caribu breeding grounds as a priority over our energy security. We need that oil as soon as we can get it.
Posted By: revolutionary @ 09/03/2008 8:54:33 PM

Comment: This is part of the attempted rehabilitation of Blair the proven liar and war criminal.
Posted By: revolutionary @ 09/03/2008 8:53:13 PM

Comment: This is part of the attemted rehabilitation of Blair the proven liar and war criminal.
Posted By: pfvll @ 08/22/2008 7:37:44 PM

Comment: This is not about co-operation on security, or terrorism - these are merely excuses which are acceptable to the public.. It's about oil. With the Saudis pressuring us on one hand and the Russians (over Georgia and Poland) on the other, how long is it before we have to accept something really nasty in order to maintain access to oil. The UK and USA must, as a matter of wartime level urgency, make themselves independent of external energy sources NOW, whatever the cost. Those saying it can't be done are listening to the oil companies. It can. Nuclear power, biofuels, deep geothermal heat sources - all are known technologies with their part to play. Only our Governments are stopping us by their lack of foresight and indecision.
Posted By: flambeth @ 08/13/2008 4:13:54 PM

Comment: " The Saudis have rules ,don't breake them." I was told this by my manager when I started to work for a Saudi company in 1996. It is still true today as it was then. Bribes are vehicle for bussines there just as it is in Chicago, Il.
Posted By: colorao64 @ 08/06/2008 1:26:33 PM

Comment: WE WILL NEVER BE FREE, UNTIL WE FREE OURSELVES FROM OIL. I PRAY FOR THE DAY WHEN GM, FORD AND CHRYSLER, GO BANKRUPT. I KNOW THAT THIS MAY SEEM CRUEL, AND SELF-DEFEATING, BUT LOOK AT THE ISSUES, AND THEIR ROLE, IN ALL THIS, AND YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
ALSO I AM TO BLAME, AND I AM WILLING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. FREDOM NOW!
Posted By: colorao64 @ 08/06/2008 1:23:10 PM

Comment: This incident along with many other such incidents, clearly demonstrates, that we need to as "completely" as possible, cut ourselves off from oil, and develop as soon as possible (not ten years from now) new energy sources. The oil that we have, should be used for the military, and essential industries. I am willing to walk, ride a bike, run, etc. so that we can get away from the use of oil, and its by products. Let freedom ring!
Posted By: Bobbles @ 08/05/2008 9:48:23 PM

Comment: Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, the US and the UK have used money bribes for years to persuade other countries to order their products, have you forgotten the Lockheed Scandals.In this case the end justifies the means, BAE got the order and the fee paid was not unreasonable. Its about time the purists and do gooders realised that Business is about winning.
Posted By: EffYou @ 08/05/2008 1:17:52 PM

Comment: Real part of the story is all but missing from the reporting. Saudi people are robbed by their kings and BAE. BAE bribed kings to get favorable and shady deal. Kings payed BAE through money which actualy belongs Saudi people.
Posted By: mjiooss @ 08/05/2008 8:15:41 AM

Comment: To help eliminate Middle East oil problems, our U.S. has to become more independent by developing nuclear plants, drilling for oil on land or offshore, and producing more coal.
Posted By: Trooper101st @ 08/03/2008 7:58:41 AM

Comment: Bandar is a double dealing thief. He fits right in with Bush&Co. The Saudi's are part of the problem. How much $ went to terror organizations over the last 10 yrs. Maybe we should bomb THEM and TAKE thier oil!!
Posted By: berenger @ 08/01/2008 9:18:39 AM

Comment: A house divided eventually falls. The world is becoming a more even intellectual playing field.What do you think will happen when all these human beings in the Middle East realize that American Weapons have radioactive material in them "depleted uranium" its not depleted. Even the bullets. The USA is spreading radioactive dust all over Iraq.
- Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/02/2008 11:14:10 AM
  
  Comment: A house divided eventually falls.
  
  SO DON'T BUY A DUPLEX!
Posted By: geno_3245 @ 08/01/2008 1:30:27 AM

Comment: This proves even more that the Saudis forced us to invade iraq.

In the end, just look which country has benefited most by the events of 9-11 & 7-7
Posted By: Bill in Chicago @ 07/31/2008 12:29:11 PM

Comment: Yes, we're arming our own executioners:

www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

Isn't this sort of thing supposed to be treson?
Posted By: Bill in Chicago @ 07/31/2008 12:27:34 PM

Comment: Yes, we're arming our own executioners:

www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

Isn't that supposed to be treason?
Posted By: BigCynicDotCom @ 07/31/2008 12:00:11 PM

Comment: The Saudis threatened to *stop* cooperating with counterterrorism efforts? But they *are* sponsors of terrorism! Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and the Saudi government secretly funds radical Muslim groups. We ought to invade Saudi Arabia!

Wait. We already do occupy Saudi Arabia...
- Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 1:53:05 PM
  
  Comment: We are locked in an embrace with Saudi Arabia. Our money is a poison to them. Their petroleum is a poison to us. We both will finally be free of this stifling embrace when they either run out of oil or we run out of money. Meantime, you are only permitted to watch. It hardly matters how hard you vote. The forces involved are too strong for anything but exhaustion on one side or the other. We are mere witnesses to this tragedy without a witness protection program.
Posted By: offshore250 @ 07/31/2008 11:47:48 AM

Comment: When will the fools that run Washington and the sheep that are led around by the nose by the green wackos wake up and realize that we are in a fight that we cannot win unless we become indepandent of OPEC. To do that we only need to do one thing - emulate France and build nuclear. The French are very proud of the fact that do not burn coal or oil to produce electricity and have enough left over to EXPORT to other EU countries. We on the other hand, burn 42% of our energy to produce electricity and import 29% of our energy from OPEC. You do the math - and as a side benefit, we would also get a significant reduction of greenhouse gases. No Manhattan project needed, no T. Boone Pickens wind plan needed, no massive government subsidized alternative energy program needed, just good old nuclear, the kind used by not only France who is building more palnts but Finland, Japan, Korea and even Russia are building nuclear plants. Why not us? Why is Al Gore not pushing nuclear, he is the pope of lowering greemhouse gases? You would think the green wackos would be all over this. If it is good enough for these other environmentally conscious countries, why not us???
- Posted By: Merg @ 07/31/2008 3:48:37 PM
  
  Comment: Because, unlike wind or solar, the inherent dangers and byproducts of nuclear energy are devastating. Quite obvious and simple really. Think Chernobyl.
- Posted By: Merg @ 07/31/2008 3:39:39 PM
  
  Comment: Because, unlike wind or solar, the inherent dangers and byproducts of nuclear energy are devastating. Quite obvious and simple really. Think Chernobyl.
Posted By: gandolina @ 07/31/2008 11:38:22 AM

Comment: If you can get a paycheck from a think tank and not know that the Bush League hasn't already been doing this for decades, then your naivete is displacing a job tha someone else should have.

The Saudis have visibly been a pernicious drain on the U.S. every day since 9/11. We should all be wearing Hazmat suits anytime we are involved in any transaction with them.
The day we call their bluff and leave them hanging in the desert breeze is the day we regain our balance of power.

They only have one product ---oil. And are far more clueless stan the Clampetts about the consequences of what's that really means.

Basically all the Saudis are economically proficient at is extortion and sheikdown. They are so hung up on bribes they can't get past the fact that bribery inevitably ends up being a zero sum proposition. And tha greed always makes you stupid.

And if the royal family didn't have our troops as their mercenaries they won't even have that.
How much worse could things go, if we just walked away and let the Saudis come up with some better government themselves?
Why are we involved in protecting extortionists?
Why are we involved in being the protection for a country that daily violates every single item on our Bill of Rights and lots more.

gala1
Posted By: gandolina @ 07/31/2008 11:29:02 AM

Comment: Comment: "Terrorism is being used to blackmail the West. You watch, it is only a matter of time before they do this in the U.S."

If you can get a paycheck from a think tank and not know that the Bush League hasn't already been doing The Saudis have visibly been a pernicious drain on the U.S. every day since 9/11. We shoulthis for decades, then your naivete is displacing a job tha someone else should have.

d all be wearing Hazmat suits anytime we are involved in any transaction with them.
The day we call their bluff and leave them hanging in the desert breeze is the day we regain our balance of power.

They only have one product oil. And if the royal family didn't have our troops as their mercenaries they won't even have that.
How much worse could things go, if we just walked away and let the Saudis come up with some better government themselves?
Why are we involved in protecting extortionists?
Why are we involved in being the protection for a country that daily violates every single item on our Bill of Rights and lots more.

-gala1
Posted By: Mear8774 @ 07/31/2008 11:21:40 AM

Comment: The Saudi's need our military know how to survive more than they need the British. Also we need to mount a"Manhattan Project for Alternitive Energy" and free our need for the Saudi's or any other country and the will turn the political tables and make us strong angain!
Posted By: Mear8774 @ 07/31/2008 11:16:18 AM

Comment: Yes the Saudi's could try this, but they need our military know how to maintain their own survival. This is just another reason for us to mount a "Manhattan Project on Energy" to free ourselves of any need for the Saudi's or any other nation and turn the political tables on them.
Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 10:56:23 AM

Comment: Try this for understanding. You are a nomadic people who live in tents and graze sheep in a desert. You multiply your kind and organize into tribes. You have little or no money because there is little to produce currency but wool and mutton. You eat with your hands because there is no industry to make eating utensils. You find your philosophy in the stars which shine brightly in the desert night. One day, you are inundated with the riches of the world which are produced from a black ooze which pours endlessly from the ground. You have only one book in your library with godly admonitions about everything in the desert and no universities, no schools, and no other source of information other than what you can buy from abroad, sending your students there to bring back some knowledge of what has been outside your borders in the past centuries of your nomadic life. You are reluctant to change much of anything, but are required to deal with unlimited riches that you are ill prepared to deal with. Your work ethic is still one where work by men is disdained, as it was in the old days. Your ethics still hark back to the back stabbing days of intertribal and intra-tribal brutality and survival of the fittest in a deprived environment. I could go on and on, but this is the reason for what we see in Saudi Arabia and why they deal with others the way that they do because of the still misunderstood nature of the awesome wealth that has descended upon them. They are locked in a mix of thanks to their God for the bounty which he has provided them, along with damnation of the devil who has saturated them with this strange affliction. Good luck in your dealings with these fascinating people, and good luck to them in their quest for understanding. Hopefully the understanding will arrive before the money plays out. Meantime, they still produce Ben Ladens to try to drag the rest of the world into a cruel desert wasteland where human understanding dies of malnourishment.
- Posted By: R Lawrence @ 08/01/2008 2:15:41 PM
  
  Comment: Olderwiser, you have assessed and charictarized this desert desert monkeys perfectly. I could not have done it better. Thank you. Bush and company have been in bed with these oil rats from day one and it has resulted in total and absolute theft of global wealth and the killing of thousands of people. These desert animals will continue to control and terrorize the planet until we free ourselves from the need of their oil. Hopefully, we will find leaders in the West that will stand up to the need for alternative energy and develop energy that will free us from these ugly allien reptiles in the deserts of the Middle East.
Posted By: ozarkajuice @ 07/31/2008 10:42:12 AM

Comment: Its funny, passport of the 911 highjackers where saudi. but yet we attack iraq instead. now i read this article about Blair. Some thing sounds fishy about the Role that Saudi has with US and UK.
- Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 07/31/2008 10:55:13 AM
  
  Comment: Yes, you are right. I mentioned this same thing to some people i used to work with, but all they did was call me a Bush Hater, and said i was against US and with terrorism. Strange...
  - Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 11:00:25 AM
    
    Comment: All of which emanated from the fake "evidence" conjured by the Bush administration to enter the wrong place for the wrong reasons, except to try to rescue an already discredited administration. Historical shame is in order and will surely flourish for all time. Infamy at best.
Posted By: hitchiker13 @ 07/31/2008 10:15:30 AM

Comment: So in the name of fighting terrorism - Blair himself fell for extortion or mini-terrorism. Shame on him and those who hail him as a leader. A leader is person who stands up in the face of adversity for and by truth as his/her ally. Seems to me Blair is a sheep in a wolf's skin. It just goes to show how Britain has always - historically - stooped to low standards to get their work done. Right from the initial days of colonizations and setting up feuds between the colonies rulers - till date when they shuddered to this Prince. Talk about Liberty and Justice under Her Majesty. Shame on the empire. The SUN is surely setting in all respects on the empire.
Posted By: hitchiker13 @ 07/31/2008 10:15:16 AM

Comment: So in the name of fighting terrorism - Blair himself fell for extortion or mini-terrorism. Shame on him and those who hail him as a leader. A leader is person who stands up in the face of adversity for and by truth as his/her ally. Seems to me Blair is a sheep in a wolf's skin. It just goes to show how Britain has always - historically - stooped to low standards to get their work done. Right from the initial days of colonizations and setting up feuds between the colonies rulers - till date when they shuddered to this Prince. Talk about Liberty and Justice under Her Majesty. Shame on the empire. The SUN is surely setting in all respects on the empire.
Posted By: Curahee @ 07/31/2008 9:50:51 AM

Comment: The Saudi's are the worst one's in the Middle East....I.e. 9/11. Yet they claim to be our greatest Arab ally while our government (and the British) continue to pander to their threats and complaints. Call their bluff! Without US/UK support the House of Saud would fall to the "wahhabis"!.
Posted By: obared4444 @ 07/31/2008 9:30:43 AM

Comment: Who will protect the Saudi's from being bit by the dogs they feed if not the U.K. and U.S.A. I'd have called
Bandar on it and see if he wanted the firewall that protects the House of Saud from jihadist groups they
fund.
Posted By: Young Hickory @ 07/31/2008 9:15:38 AM

Comment: Whatever happened to "give me liberty or give me death" Arabs mention terrorism and we shudder. We need to grow some cojones and stand up to Saudi Arabia. For all of their tough rhetoric Bush and Blair are simpering whimps when it comes to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia the breeding ground for the 9/11 terrorists.
- Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/01/2008 10:15:22 AM
  
  Comment: WHAT HAPPENED WAS WARS AFTER WWII HAVE BEEN FOUGHT TO "NOT LOSE" OR TO "POLICE" NOT TO DESTROY...........................THIS HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED BY THE PEOLPE THAT VEX US AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY.........................THEY HAVE LITTLE TO WORRY ABOUT IN TERMS OF DEVESTATING ATTACKS FROM THE U.S.A., SINCE WE HAVE SPINELESS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO WOULD RATHER SEND YOUR SON TO ACT AS A TARGET, IN A MISGUIDED EFFORT TO DISPLAY THIER CONSCIENCES, INSTEAD OF SENDING A MAYBE LESS COMPASSIONATE BUT EFFICENT MESSAGE BY DESTROYING CITIES......................A PATHETIC STATE OF AFFAIRS WHEN WE ARE UNABLE TO PROTECT OURSELVES CONVINCINGLY.
  - Posted By: tc125231 @ 08/01/2008 5:56:38 PM
    
    Comment: Your handle is a materwork of misdirection, since it is quite clear that you couldn't find you bottom with both hands in the dark.
    - Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/01/2008 6:39:23 PM
      
      Comment: P.S. THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS "MATERWORK"!
    - Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/01/2008 6:37:27 PM
      
      Comment: ............JUST NAME CALLING WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH OF AN ARGUEMENT TO POINT OUT WHAT I SAID THAT IS WRONG..............NO................JUST THE TRUTH HURTS YOUR DELICATE SENSIBILITIES....
      ............................OH.................YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE GAY-RAPE CRISIS CENTER ..............WHERE ALL DISCUSSIONS ARE PREFACED WITH...............BUT YOUR A GOOD PERSON!..........LOL!
Posted By: techresmgt @ 07/31/2008 9:06:02 AM

Comment: With friends like this we don't need enemies.
Posted By: Ali73 @ 07/31/2008 8:02:27 AM

Comment: The Saudi government could not be more corrupt if it tried to. Israel is no longer the main reason why Arabs are weak especially following its defeat in the Lebanese July war on the hands of HezbAllah. Just as bad is Saudi Arabia ill-willingness to care about what happens in the rest of the Arabic-speaking world, unless it's suiting to the promotion and advocacy of its Wahabi so-called faith. And Bandar, well we know that his criminal involvment goes back as further as Sep.11 if not even earlier than that. The Saudi government continues to show itself for what it really is, made up of radical fundamentalists who continue to promote a backward ideology while at the same time gambling, whoring and corrupting their oil revenues for evil purposes. Shame they live in the Holiest Islamic city!
Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 07/31/2008 6:15:50 AM

Comment: If it is to their advantage both the Britain and the US will do anything even to discard whatever good principle.
Posted By: blink08 @ 07/31/2008 2:44:20 AM

Comment: US & UK are still considered military might. Plus, when on earth your Mi5 and Mi6 will be put to good use. Having all these military power, you can???t play a martyr. Accept it. You love corruption, you spread corruption. You give asylum and residence permit to people who are wanted in the world, just in the hopes that someday you might have some strings to pull against some government. You support dictators in Africa to keep the African wealth in your control. And if some one comes up and drives you out, you then use your forces to oust him. The B&B team (blair & bush) have killed tens of thousands in Iraq & Afghanistan. Lot more than 3,500people killed in WTC. So those 19 were smaller terrorist than the B&B. Do the math!

Don???t play martyr. Don???t blame anyone. Your people choose scumbags like B&B to spread violence and hatred on this earth. So not just those politician but a vast majority is on board! I wonder why price Bandar just took 17million. He should have charged in billions!
Posted By: blink08 @ 07/31/2008 2:33:39 AM

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Posted By: blink08 @ 07/31/2008 2:32:59 AM

Comment: Is this the first time Britons sold arms to Saudis? If not, then it means, BAE or Whitehall was bribing Saudis to get the contracts since late 80s or even before, who knows. So what's the big deal? Yes, it could be that now there are more Ethically right people in UK who object to such things. But i wonder why do they accept anyone's threat? Why did Blair had to accept any threats from Saudis? UK & US are still
Posted By: accrew4 @ 07/30/2008 9:49:09 PM

Comment: You sleep with dogs you get fleas. Ever wonder why the USA did not follow the money trail for the short selling of stock that happen prior to 9-11. If I remember it all pointed to Saudi traiders knowing that something was going to happen. And they make millions on this knowledge. IMO Bush was told to shut up and go away by the Saudi's.
Posted By: clevelong @ 07/30/2008 9:40:52 PM

Comment: How bad can it get. The UK caved in to a THREAT by the Saudi to cut off cooperation on counterterrorism operations'. How sickly addicted to oil we are, UK & USA that we placate the REAL terrorist nation just to keep from loosing their oil. At least that is the way it appears Blair is playing this. I also appears this needs to by investigated deeper to see if Blair may have profited from this.
As to w, most all of us have seen the solidarity of w and the prince/king by the pictures of them holding hands, the show of friendship in Saudi. And w's off shore accounts must indeed be massive.
Posted By: C. MacLean @ 07/30/2008 9:26:22 PM

Comment: "Terrorism is being used to blackmail the West. You watch, it is only a matter of time before they do this in the U.S."

My guess is they've been blackmailing the U.S. for quite some time. After all, the house of Saud and the Bushes have been buddies for a long time. And as far as the Saudi's getting a foreign government to disregard their own justice system, why gee, George Bush has disregarded our justice system for almost 8 years - he should have no trouble allowing the Saudi's to help.
Posted By: MikeCabe @ 07/30/2008 9:23:56 PM

Comment: I am not saying it is right by any means, but this kind of thing is just a way of life in Saudi Arabia when it comes to government contracts. I worked there for three months on a contract with the civil air ministry, and was informed that virtually every contract that is made with foreign firms has some kind of kick-back for the person writing the contract. In most cases though it is the Saudi intermediating company that actually provides the kickback (the Suadi governent is actually normally not allowed to buy anything directly from a foreign business, so a Saudi business acts as an intermediary). One time a friend who worked there said he was reviewing a bill from one of these companies and found a $70,000 "transportation fee." When he asked about what this was for, someone pointed to a new Jag sitting outside. The justification that folks there use is that the land and its oil (bascially the only sourse of income for the country) belongs to be people of Saudi Arabia, so they are just taking there piece of it. So in a nutshell, I am not sure how BAE got directly involved in this, but it is really just the way business gets done
Posted By: MikeCabe @ 07/30/2008 9:23:31 PM

Comment: I am not saying it is right by any means, but this kind of thing is just a way of life in Saudi Arabia when it comes to government contracts. I worked there for three months on a contract with the civil air ministry, and was informed that virtually every contract that is made with foreign firms has some kind of kick-back for the person writing the contract. In most cases though it is the Saudi intermediating company that actually provides the kickback (the Suadi governent is actually normally not allowed to buy anything directly from a foreign business, so a Saudi business acts as an intermediary). One time a friend who worked there said he was reviewing a bill from one of these companies and found a $70,000 "transportation fee." When he asked about what this was for, someone pointed to a new Jag sitting outside. The justification that folks there use is that the land and its oil (bascially the only sourse of income for the country) belongs to be people of Saudi Arabia, so they are just taking there piece of it. So in a nutshell, I am not sure how BAE got directly involved in this, but it is really just the way business gets done over there; therefore, it made quite a bit of sense for Prime Minister Blair to do exactly what he did.
Posted By: BlairSupporter @ 07/30/2008 7:19:54 PM

Comment: I have to wonder if Mr Blair should just have allowed our fellow citizens to be attacked (if that were the result of this). I am a proud supporter of Mr Blair, and think he was the best Prime Minister we have had for decades in so many ways. But the way the Left in Britain still blame him PERSONALLY for every death in Iraq and in 7/7 because he "recruited for Islamists" by invading Iraq, perhaps he should have let them learn their lesson!
- Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/30/2008 8:59:54 PM
  
  Comment: I would also have supported Mr. Blair if I were a British citizen. We in the United States admire him for his eloquence. We are also grateful for his help in translating Mr. Bush's attempts to speak the English language on the many occasions when they stood side by side. Many other heads of state did not do this and we were always left wondering what he really meant to say. Soon, we will have an eloquent leader, too. Cheers.
  - Posted By: Merg @ 07/31/2008 3:44:32 PM
    
    Comment: Who is this 'We' you refer to. You do not speak for the vast majority of Americans who despise both Bush and to a lesser extent Blair.
    - Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 5:30:07 PM
      
      Comment: Gosh, Merg, I know a lot of people who said that they were grateful for Blair translating Bush's babble into the King's english. Those were the "we" that I referred to. But let me rephrase that just for you." We in the United States who admire him are grateful for his eloquence, though we do not intend to include those who tend to despise Mr. Blair, though not nearly as much as they despise Mr. Bush, who richly deserves all the despise he can get". It's a little strained, but I tried to do you justice because I think that you are wonderful. Let me know if I need to work this over a little more or not.
      - Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 5:32:39 PM
        
        Comment: By the way, Merg, how vast is that majority that you mentioned. Got any numbers on that?
        
        Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/31/2008 7:37:40 PM
        
        Comment: The Bush part's easy. I'd give it about a 90 per cent despise, 5% hate, 4% loathe, and maybe a 1% love somewhere out there, mostly relatives and fraternity mates.

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