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  • Posted By: martvol @ 07/31/2008 2:13:18 PM

    Speaking of people trying to smear a campain...The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).

    After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly.

    All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 2:25:59 PM

      McCain was criticized by the Senate Ethics Committee for showing "poor judgement."

      • Posted By: FairAndBalanced48 @ 07/31/2008 6:51:40 PM

        Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target. Democrat Robert S. Bennett, who was the special investigator during the scandal, suggested to the Senate Ethics Committee that it pursue charges against neither McCain nor Glenn, saying of McCain, "that there was no evidence against him."

      • Posted By: FairAndBalanced48 @ 07/31/2008 6:49:16 PM

        Several accounts of the controversy contend that McCain was included in the investigation primarily so that there would be at least one Republican target

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/31/2008 2:47:16 PM

      McCain got off, but that doesn't mean he didn't do anything.
      They just decided he had done less than the others. I don't recall all of the things that he had done, but among them McCain helped get somebody on a banking regulatory board, Keating gave free trips to the Bahamas for McCain and his family, free rides on his planes, and his wife had a shopping mall investment with Keating in Arizona, and he was at the meeting where the Senators involved tried to influence bank regulators; which is what made him one of the Keating 5.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 07/31/2008 5:42:51 PM



    "I have great admiration and respect for Senator Obama."

    If so, McCain has a funny way of showing it. All we've seen and heard from him for the last month is a string of personal attacks, culminating in yesterday's ad smearing Obama as "the biggest celebrity in the world." He's just another famous, pretty face, in other words, and not ready for the presidency.

    True? No. Childish? Yes. But that's not all. This ad is also deliberately and deceptively racist.

    Of all the famous celebrities they could have compared Obama to, why not Tom Cruise? Or Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Donald Trump, or Oprah Winfrey? Why Britney Spears and Paris Hilton? Why two white blond bimbos?

    Only one reason. It's a somewhat tamer version of the white bimbo ad used so successfully against Harold Ford in Tennessee. In juxtaposing Barack Obama with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, the McCain campaign is simply trying to plant the old racist seed of black man hitting on young white woman. Not directly, but subliminally and disgracefully.

    One thing for sure. This isnt the John McCain we first saw in 2000, running a campaign on the issues. And this isn't the positive McCain campaign he himself promised us for 2008. This is a campaign that, from the beginning, is nothing but negative, personal, dirty and, yes, racist

    Even the most challenged politically envolved can see this yes even you "ROVEBOTS" and that is exactly why you are not touching this. You all know this is McCains suicide note. Probably the last nail in his political coffen. I bet right know the movers and the shakers in the Republican Party are scrambling for someone else thay can nominate at their convention. The Republicans knew McCain was a terrible candidate they have just been proven most assuredly correct.

    I feel your PAIN with your vote for McCain


  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 07/31/2008 5:32:03 PM

    Buckeyecal, McCain's comment wasn't "taken out of context"...the context was a discussion of how long our troops might be in Iraq...you might claim that critics were making too much McCain's comment (I'd disagree, but thats another matter). However, nobody took it entirely out of its context as was done to Obama's remark, which was made in the context of a discussion about ways to support education, and was peddled by the McCain campaign as Obama's prescription for dealing with energy.

  • Posted By: Robert Stewart @ 07/31/2008 3:11:30 PM

    Apparently John McCain can't tell the difference between Paris Hilton and Barak Obama. Is this a sign of senility? Alzheimer???s? Dirty politics? Too much time in the sun without his cap? Nearsighted? Asleep? All of the above?

    I don't know. I do know it's not a sign of inspiring leadership.

    I'm confused how John thinks this qualifies him to be Commander in Chief.

    • Posted By: buckeyecal @ 07/31/2008 5:07:35 PM

      Guess you can not tell the difference between satire and fact. The point of the ad was that like other celebrities (Spears/Hilton) Obama is also one. And as we know, celebrities do not have a lot of depth or credibility for comanding the world's largest power.
      By the way, where has Obama shown any leadership? He has only been in the Senate for 3 years, passed no bills and never initiated one of his own. He was not in the military, has never held a private job, never led a company, a unti or anything. He flips/flops on his patriotism: "shall I wear this pin or not", he disrespects his troops: "guess I'll go to the gym instead of going to see the injured troops", he votes to not fund the military, he denies that the surge worked, etc, But he wants to raise captial gains, increase the SS limit, tax energy companies, denies the value of NAFTA, etc. Sure seems like the "leader" we do not need! In my opinion he is scary!

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 07/31/2008 12:36:27 PM

    Let me get this straight:

    In order to have a credible presidential candidate, we now have to select a person that no one wants to follow.

    And does that include foreign dignitaries and presidents who stood beside Barak Obama because, as they put it, he represented a promising new hope for leadership in America?

    Do you McCain supporters know how dumb and absurd that sounds.



    • Posted By: mk2008 @ 07/31/2008 12:40:48 PM

      a promising new hope for what? explain please

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 1:06:11 PM

        a new hope that our country can return to the glory that it once held before Bush and the Republicans ran it down. A hope that our country can become the beacon of light that the rest of the world looks to. A hope that again our president will be looked on with respect and not be the butt of jokes.

        • Posted By: fedupwlibs @ 07/31/2008 3:17:11 PM

          The butt of jokes...you mean like the last time we had a Democrat in the white house? Oh yeah, the world looked at us with respect then!

          • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 5:02:41 PM

            The rest of the world that it was stupid that Clinton was impeached for getting a B.J. in the whitehouse. Bush is seen as an ignorant cowboy.

      • Posted By: Surroundedbyidiots @ 07/31/2008 1:05:47 PM

        I won't speak for the poster, but I believe that means over the past 8 years under Dubya we have had no leadership. Just a bully that starts oil wars and lets thousands of his own citizens die while exclaiming heckuva job Brownie!

        If Obama wins, this nation may finally have REAL leadership

        • Posted By: martvol @ 07/31/2008 2:01:29 PM

          Go back to civics class. The mayor needsa to have a plan in Emergencies to care for his citizens. I seen video of school buses that could have been used to transport thousands out of New Orleans. The citizens didn't want to leave. The only thing the mayor did was do like every other libral when the crud hits the fan. Start begging for somebody to save him. Oh, I screwed up,, now someone needs to risk their life to save mine. Oh, They are picking the people up three streets over instead of me. Oh, Bush is trying to kill me. OH, I say you stayed, Not my problem, And I wouldn't rebuild anything below sea level either.

      • Posted By: ba0911 @ 07/31/2008 1:08:51 PM

        A promising new hope of something besides a ruined economy, truthfulness and integrity, no torture, a world view that engages...not taunts and isolates, etc., etc., etc.

  • Posted By: ssbn777 @ 07/31/2008 12:43:19 PM

    Beings that Barrack rarely gives a definitive answer to any question, and has almost no concrete ideas or clearly defined policy positions (instead offering up vague platitudes and empty oratory); the fact that he said specifically "we ought to tax dirty energy" amounts to a policy position. I mean, has he ever come out and said that we "ought not" to tax dirty energy?

    • Posted By: cunninjo @ 07/31/2008 1:16:08 PM

      It is obvious that you have not taken the tme to read Obama's platform because he has very specific ideas and explains exactly how he will accomplish them.

      And did you not reada the transcript? He wasn't calling for a tax on dirty energy. He was saying that IF there was a tax on energy, he would rather it be on dirty energy rather than clean energy. He THEN added, that he DOESN'T support either as a means for funding education, and that such funding should come at a local level. Hmmm... sounds like a pretty moderate proposal from the "most liberal Senator".

      • Posted By: martvol @ 07/31/2008 1:52:11 PM

        If you have a copy of Obama's platform, could you please post because I can't find one anywhere.

  • Posted By: jtmad89 @ 07/31/2008 12:57:20 PM

    Seriously I'm so sick and tired of the liberal media making it completely obvious that they want Obama to win...Whatever happened to bi-partisanship??

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 1:02:01 PM

      bi-partisianship went out win Fox News went on the air.

      • Posted By: fedupwlibs @ 07/31/2008 3:28:29 PM

        Oh, sure...one network against how many??? At least conservatives have one channel that looks at our side of the issue and will actually report on something that might make liberals look less than perfect.l

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:57:50 PM

          Fox claims to be Fair and Balanced.

  • Posted By: buckeyecal @ 07/31/2008 4:54:07 PM

    Interesting. McCain may take one sentence out of context and Obama complains, yet when Obama took the 100 years to remain in Iraq out of context it was ok. Is there a doulbe standard where it is ok for Obama, but not for McCain? Maybe the press should admit their bias, drop their journalistic crede and just join the Obama team!

  • Posted By: whiterock @ 07/31/2008 2:38:14 PM

    That's funny unshrub...I feel the same way about Obama! I thought he was all right in the beginning but as a 30 year Democrat, I have completely questioned my party's judgment about setting this man up as the winner and fawning all over him. Over the last 6 mos. Obama has become increasingly arrogant, over-confident, changes his political views constantly and provides little substance. His arrogance would be somewhat palatable if he had a list of accomplishments and a lengthy political career but he has neither. Your claim ..."McCain has become more personal against Obama than any other Presidential candidate in American history" is simply not true and reveals that you are either a very young person or you have a very short term memory. What the Bush Machine did to Gore, Kerry and even McCain when he was running against Bush in the first campaign makes McCain look like a choir boy. Bush had NO scruples and I had never seen anything so ugly in my life. McCain is nothing like Bush and never has been, that's why Bush has always given him such a hard time. This is just typical politics and you'll get used to it as you get older. I happen to agree with McCain this time. Obama is nothing but an empty celebrity that looks good and says what people want to hear. Real change is not going to happen with either party. They are both entrenched in their own power struggles and egos. And if I want hope, I go to my spiritual leaders for that not the president.

    • Posted By: SpeedsInHerPrius @ 07/31/2008 4:37:12 PM

      Whiterock, you assert that Obama "says what people want to hear?" Where have you been? Your words more accurately describe McCain's attempts to win this election. First, ignorning McCain's financial ties to oil companies, he now supports ANWAR drilling, when he rightfully voted against in Bush's first term. He asserts Obama's refusal to endorse drilling is the cause of our oil prices when ANWAR resources would take years to affect those numbers on gas station signs, and minimally at that. Secondly, the federal gas tax "holiday," which would save you and I about $30-40 this summer does nil to alter people's perception of the sustainability of our current oil dependence. It sounds like McCain is trying to buy your presidential vote with a tank of gas and you are sold. Obama stands by his convictions and has emphatically said "no" when it has been unpopular to do so. This is the same Senator who voiced a lonely "no" on the Iraq War decision. I take offense to your ill-informed assertion. I recommend a visit to your "spiritual leader" as you could benefit from a little guidance.

  • Posted By: smart.independant @ 07/31/2008 2:04:50 PM

    McCain was right on! This type of campaigning is necessary when the media is just in-love with the guy. People need to get over his stage presence and read the actual facts. Do you realize what Obama will do to this country? Don't think taxing the upper class will not trickle down to everything that we buy.... don't think that an imature politician who makes statements and has to change them, because he does not do all his research first ,will not make some major mistakes....don't think your gas prices will not continue to rise without the threat of the US taking over their own oil production... and healthcare, has anyone ever used tricare?..this is just a small sample of what gov. healthcare will lead to. And trust that those costs will be passed to your taxes!

    • Posted By: rdoudna @ 07/31/2008 4:33:10 PM

      No one but true die-hard republicans are backing McCain???s latest ads. Not even Tucker Carlson. McCain???s old campaign manager from the 2000 race is embarrassed to watch what is happening to McCain. Trickle down economics has done what for the average individual over the last 8 years? One percent of US population makes 26% of the money. This is the highest by far for any modern society. The rate of wealth growth for the riches one percent has been amplified significantly over the last 8 years. The average CEO of a fortune 500 company makes nearly 400 times that of his average employee. This is many times that of what any CEO in another country receives (Germany and Britain had the next highest payouts 22 times and 26 times their average employee). Warren Buffet (worlds riches man) pays on average less in percentage terms in taxes than his secretary does. As for your very laughable oil production remark, you do realize that oil is a world commodity? You also realize that China and India, 2/3 of the world's population, are coming out of the dark ages. They are adding thousands a cars a week to their roadways. The point is drilling for 5% more capacity in the United States is not an answer for what is coming our way. We must reduce our reliance on oil, period. As for healthcare, there are 47 million people in the US without health insurance. Who do you think pays for these people when they get sick? WE DO! Unfortunately, many of these people will not seek out medical help until the physical problems they are having get much worst, hence, costing all of us more in the long run not to mention prolonging the suffering of the person seeking help. Taxes, inflations, additional user fees, loss dollar power, etc., in the end we are still paying out one way or another. The better question to ask, is not necessarily who is taxing more but what is my total cost under each candidate. For example, Bush 43 lowered the taxes for the rich. As for the middle glass they caught a little break as well but not much of a break. That said, look what happen to the US dollar? Economist estimate that 60% of the current rise in oil prices are directly related to the weakness of the US dollar. This is not a tax but it sure feels like one and it certainly costing me more than the savings I received so far from the Bush 43 tax cuts. Why am I blaming Bush? No energy plan, and no oversight in the home mortgage industry.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/31/2008 3:33:43 PM

      People like you tried to justify running a campaign based on lies in 2000 and 2004. People need to be able to vote intelligently; not based on who tells the biggest whoppers, and who sucks it up.

      I can't believe people are just accepting lies as a strategic way of getting elected. You people complain that we don't know enough about Obama. Well, if you spend all your time telling lies, you're never going to know the truth. The worlds problems can't be solved by refusing to face reality.

      I'd say McCain should stand up and tell people that, but frankly I don't think he's capable of that.

      Strategists may say that he has to do this, but I say if you don't have anything but lies and slander, then maybe you just aren't the best candidate and should bow out.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 07/31/2008 2:47:09 PM

      Actually, no, I don't think that failing to renew the Bush tax cuts for the rich will affect the middle class adversely. In fact, since the highest earners will be paying closer to their fair share of the tax burden, I expect that the burden on the middle class will be lightened a little. After all, the middle class was not adversely affected prior to the Bush tax cuts. Why would failing to renew them cause any "trickle down" disaster?

      As for oil production, what good will it do to grant oil companies offshore oil leases when they are NOT USING the leases they already have in Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado? What good will producing more oil do when there is no refinery capacity in the United States to process crude? By design, oil companies have refused to build more refineries because by keeping production low, they can keep profits high. Why does McCain shrink from taxing the obscene windfall profits that oil companies are racking up? That money could be used to invest in clean energy sources and clean industry job training -- as the Obama plan proposes. What plan does McCain have to regulate the trading of oil futures, since the manipulation of the futures market has been shown to be one of the causes of high oil prices? McCain does not address this; Obama does. There is nothing mature about favoring big business over the American consumer -- and this is what McCain's plan does.

      Tricare may have its faults -- but Medicare is running pretty smoothly -- most seniors seem to like it. And the congressional health insurance plan -- the one that Obama actually wants the US health care system to emulate -- is wonderful with lots of choices and comprehensive coverage. Anyway, whatever the plan, I'm sure that the growing number of uninsured people, including children, who can't get ANY health care, except in the case of dire emergency, would welcome any comprehensive coverage -- even Tricare. It's the people with good jobs and good coverage that grouse about losing choices. But, if you love the coverage you have, you can keep it under the Obama plan. So, you don't have to deny the millions of people who are uninsured and under-insured the coverage they need because you're afraid you might have to change doctors. You won't.

      Finally, knowing that my taxes are covering health care would be an improvement over today when they seem to be slated for the national debt and more war. Europeans pay more in taxes but they get health care, child care, quality education through college, public transportation, four weeks annual vacation, retirement income, disability insurance, maternity and paternity benefits. And in the United States -- we pay for debt service and war.

  • Posted By: kiri @ 07/31/2008 2:34:55 PM

    Britney and Paris are top celebrities? Come on, the McCain camp is getting desperate now. In entertainment years, these two are even older than McCain! Stop trying to divert the real issues, John. This ad makes you looks frivolous and irresponsible.

  • Posted By: s_j_oliver @ 07/31/2008 3:13:30 PM

    Obama supports windfall taxes on Oil Company. This is raising taxes on the oil company who in turn raise the cost of gas to cover the charge. Obama wants to raise the tax on the wealthy that own businesses and hire employees. Higher taxes for the wealth means WE pay more for products and services, and employees make less money and fewer people get hired. The reason the rich have lower taxes is so the rich will have incentives to hire more people and charge a completive lower price on products and services. When Obama talks about Windfall taxes and only taxing the wealthy he is really talking about the average person paying more for everything from gas to dippers to cat food.

    • Posted By: 2cents @ 07/31/2008 4:28:23 PM

      I'm not sure how taxing individuals who are millionaires will raise prices on commodities. I must have missed that part of economics 101. In any case how can you say that oil companies will raise gas prices if they are taxed as if it would be the government's fault? Why are they already making record billions every quarter while the price of gas continues to climb? If the price of crude were so high that they just had no choice but to pass it on to their downstream buyers, then why do their profit margins keep increasing? The oil companies are inflating the price of petroleum products above what they should be - that is the only logical answer. They need to know that this fleecing of America has consequences, so I say hell yeah, tax the motha f'ers!

      As for taxing millionaires - the proposed tax increase would only undo Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Are you a millionaire? Then why do you cry for them? They pay the same rate as we lower classes do, but have a much bigger profit margin than us even after taxes. Oh yeah that's fair! Under Reagan and Bush Sr. millionaires paid a higher percentage than lower classes because these presidents understood that working class families need money in their own pockets and the government needs money in theirs as well. Clinton reduced this tax on millionaires and now W has done it again. Have we seen lower prices from this? No! But what we do have is a higher federal deficit, much of which we sell to China. So lower taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the oil companies has resulted in higher prices for commodities and petroleum products, more of our debt owned by foreign governments including China, all of this while waging a two front war which is soon slated to outpace the cost of Vietnam.

      If not for the American families, and if not for the troops who need money to fight, then support an increase in taxes of the millionaires and record breaking oil giants simply to buy back some of our debt from China for national security.

  • Posted By: kreid2k @ 07/31/2008 2:40:49 PM

    I can't believe the fear that some people have against Obama running this country. I feel nothing but pride and honor that he is here- that he is handling his campaign gracefully and respectfully as a President should and watching how McCain's jealousy and disgusting tactics are bringing him down. Yet, I do not understand why Obama is not a 70%-30% lead??? America, what is wrong?? Look past the lines of color, we are all one people. The whole world loves this man, why so many americans are struggling with McCain vs Obama?? Is it race? If Obama were white, would the margin change? YES it would. Look past that, PLEASE do not let racial hatred make you vote for someone old, washed up, hateful, and self serving as McCain. This country needs the new ideals and CHANGE not the same old crap. Please, WAKE UP!

    • Posted By: Obamasuks1 @ 07/31/2008 3:24:28 PM

      What kind of change? More taxes, more intrusion in our lives, he has no experience. (period)

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:27:40 PM

        more intrusion into your life? How?

  • Posted By: onthebeach @ 07/31/2008 2:22:39 PM

    Offshore drilling (new open areas) are a sham. McCain and bush support BIG OIL. Like Exxon today
    reported the highest profits EVER in US History . No new drilling, alternative sources of energy is the way out of this dependency and Obama knows it!

    Bob S. Palm Harbor, FL

    • Posted By: Obamasuks1 @ 07/31/2008 2:41:01 PM

      And how does that lower the price at the pump today? What you fail to realize is yes the profits of big oil are up but the profit margin has been the same. More people are buying oil is why profits are up. The margin is still the same as when they were losing money. Its people like you who do not know the truth and only obama;s clif notes is why that idiot is where he is today. Drilling now will lower the pump price today. Even if it take s a year or two to get to the pump Wal street will sell off on options and price per barrel goes down. What are you going to do put a windmill on back of your car? If we drill now in places were there is oil and at same time work on alternatives we would be better off. Obamas raiseing taxes on oil will only make us pay more. NO THANKS

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:18:38 PM

        More drilling will not bring down the price of gas because there is not enough refining capabilties. Refineries are operating at full capacity and adding more oil will not change that fact.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:16:46 PM

        That was their profit margin dumbass

      • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 07/31/2008 3:21:59 PM

        If drillling is the way to bring down the prices at the pump, why are oil companies not using the oil leases they already have in Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming? More than 40 million of acres of public lands are under lease to oil companies and they are going unused. Why should the United States grant new leases to despoil the coast line when the leases already granted go unused?

        And, what good will producing more oil do if there is no capacity in refineries?. You can't put crude in your gas tank. For years, the oil companies have refused to build new refineries because by limiting capacity, they limit supply and increase profits. Why should the tax payers reward this strategy?

        If there was any benefit to granting offshore oil leases to oil companies, I'm sure that Obama would consider it. As it is, even McCain allows that granting offshore drilling rights will be mainly a psychological boost for the American public. It's not necessary, not effective and it is dishonest in its false promise.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 07/31/2008 3:09:45 PM

        It doesn't because it can't. Just like off-shore drilling can't. The world has enough oil for conservatively 50 years. Drilling new holes on our own property will not help, never mind the environment. The land in question might not even have enough oil to sustain a third of the continent, never mind Independence. Do the math. If you don't have it, you can't use it.

  • Posted By: MQ1031 @ 07/31/2008 2:35:18 PM

    Actually, the ad is correct. Obama did say he wanted to raise taxes on energy. You even admitted it in your piece: ???once ??? and only once so far as we can find???. He said it ???once???, still means he said it! You are the one who is misleading and actually prove exactly what McCain???s ad is trying to show. Obama is a celebrity figure in the eyes of this obviously liberal bias reporting, and he can do no wrong! If someone dares to challenge him or exposes a weakness, you jump all over that person/s. I was on the Obama bandwagon at first, but in the last few months this coverage has disgusted me and McCain???s exposure of Obama???s constant changing positions has sold me. Mark me down for a swing voter who has now switched to the McCain side. Believe me, there will be more to follow!

    • Posted By: abadreview @ 07/31/2008 2:54:28 PM

      Um...yeah.sure. McCain can barely pull a couple hundred people to his rallies. Obama sells out every place he goes, with tens of thousands showing up before dawn in some cases. Obama is the one who has the momentum, and it is only growing. You can go to the dark side if you wish, but you'd be a fool to expect others to follow you. I will pray for you, you are clearly a lost soul.

      • Posted By: Obamasuks1 @ 07/31/2008 3:19:11 PM

        Why is he either behind or tied in the polls, after the photo op trip he should be way ahead if he was anything but an empty suit

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:14:31 PM

          Obama is NOT behind an ANY poll

  • Posted By: United we Stand @ 07/31/2008 2:35:50 PM

    Uh... he said he would raise taxes on coal and oil, which are "dirty energy" sources. Well, that is what powers this nation and economy. Let me go out on a limb and say you are voting for Obama. The media is going to win this election for McCain. The media is not as powerful as it thinks and has no read on mainstream, voting Americans. Where is the article on how wrong you and Obama were on Iraq and what most experts feel would have happened if we proceeded as Obama suggested? I haven't seen it, and I doubt I will. The 4th estate is dead and you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

    • Posted By: abadreview @ 07/31/2008 2:57:45 PM

      Iraq is an illegal war that goes against every thing we hold sacred as Americans. Because of our involvement there, Al-Qaeda has gotten stronger, and the mid-east is more unstable than it was before we invaded. Wake up and smell the reality. There were ZERO W.M.D.'s, and Bush/Cheney are war criminals. You are no different than a Nazi sympathizer, and you are completely in the dark when it comes to Presidential politics. Find a new hobby. OBAMA OWNS.

      • Posted By: Obamasuks1 @ 07/31/2008 3:22:18 PM

        Put the coolaid down before you OD. There were W.M.D.s found. Al-Qaeda is getting weaker not stronger, and we have not had another attack here in US thanks to our troups.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:13:00 PM

          There were no WMDs found in Iraq, except for mortar rounds that were buried during the Iran-Iraq war. Iraq stopped its WMD programs in 1991.

        • Posted By: Makduras331 @ 07/31/2008 4:04:01 PM

          You're right, there were WMDs found...in your fantasy world moron.

        • Posted By: 2cents @ 07/31/2008 4:00:04 PM

          What WMD's? Are you sure you're not revising the history of the last few years? The attack on Afghanistan, which most supported and continue to support, would have sufficed to kick to sh1t out of Osama. The war in Iraq openned a new front with a new call to Jihad. This created more Al Qaeda terrorists which our boys had to fight and die to kill. I wouldn't frame that as a success. The war in Afghanistan would have gone smoother if we were able to keep more of our troops there instead of Iraq. We also would have gotten more NATO troops when we begged for them from our allies if we hadn't pissed them all off by going into Iraq. In short the Taliban and Al-Qaeda may have already been forgotten by now. Oh yeah, Bush's plan was fool proof! Let's all thank god that W decided to attack Iraq and save us from another 9-11!

        • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 07/31/2008 3:55:48 PM

          oh sorry there were now WMD's found turn off fox news and stop smoking crack

    • Posted By: 2cents @ 07/31/2008 4:07:32 PM

      Both Obam and McCain support cap-and-trade on oil and coal. So this means that they would both raise taxes on these, although this is technichally not a tax. In any case Obama only said this as part of a hypothetical answer to a question of whether or not he would tax clean energy. He said he would rather tax dirty energy, but (and here's the part that makes McCain's ad a moot point) neither of these scenarios should be applied to fix the issue the interveiwer brought up in the first place. But I guess if headlines are as far as you're willing to read then I can understand your rush to judgement on this. But next time do us all a favor and get the whole story. Also when you get the whole story be brave enough to admit your first conclusion was wrong and save us all from a lot of unneccessary typing.

  • Posted By: Florida Patriot @ 07/31/2008 1:46:11 PM

    McCain I mean McBush changes his stance on issues more than a model changes outfits in a runway show because the issues are not what he or the republicans are concerned with. They dont want to be confused by facts or reality, they just try to repeat falsehoods over and over until people start to belive it to be so, thus creating they're own "reality". This works on the igorant and uninformed who take their word as gospel, but for those of us living in the real world, it is offensive, demeaning and an insult to our intelligence. If you've noticed McCain doesn't want to talk about the issues because he has no answers, he only wants to say "Obama is wrong about this, Obama is wrong about that". He spends more time talking about Obama than he does talking about himself and his stances. McCain and his wife both said he was going to run a clean campaign and stick to the issues, so much for that. McCain doesn't have ideas other than those he borrows from Bush Co., Obama does have ideas and he wants to debate them, McCain just wants to mire us down in personal attacks. Political dialogue in this country doesn't need to be dumbed down to childish name calling, we need to seriously figure out how we are going to turn our great country back in th right direction. Obama wants to do this, McCain has no interest. Vote for Obama because McCain is more of the same. OBAMA '08

    • Posted By: fedupwlibs @ 07/31/2008 4:09:17 PM

      The one big difference is that McCain has a record that can be researched to find out his views, including where he has broken away from the Bush camp (on several issues). He's already been through a presidential primary where his views became well known. Obama is new and different, but we don't know much about him, except for his rehearsed motivational speeches and past affiliations. Voting for change, simply to have change, doesn't make sense if you don't know what that change will bring.

      By the way, the McCain camp tried to get Obama to agree to a series of town hall meetings to debate issues, but Obama has only agreed to two,

  • Posted By: MQ1031 @ 07/31/2008 2:42:22 PM

    "Can't raise his hands"? Maybe the 5 years in a Vietnamese prison camp will do that to you. You're a sad sick soul. Proud of what Obama has accomplished? I'm STILL waiting for 1 person to tell me what it is that Obama has accomplished! Moron

    • Posted By: raddave @ 07/31/2008 4:08:48 PM

      He ACCOMPLISHED beating Clinton in the democratic primaries.

    • Posted By: kreid2k @ 07/31/2008 2:55:59 PM

      See if McCain can accomplish a crowd of a quarter million people? See how McCain says NOW he's got to pull troops out to win but if Obama says it, he wants to lose. Funny how Bush and McCain are using all his good ideas. Obama has accomplished bringing more people together race, sex, and creed. Can McCain do that? Who's the moron? Not Obama supporters, only the jealous insecure Obama haters are truly morons. Obama can inspire like no other, don't hate him or critize him for that, for once be proud that in the eyes of the world, we have a leader and America has a chance to bring back some respect that we have lost over the last 8 years. We are not alone in this world we should be the leader, not the world wide joke. Obama will be pushing McCain in a wheelchair and waving at the "morons"

      • Posted By: openyoureyes221 @ 07/31/2008 3:06:06 PM

        Adolph Hitler could inspire like no other also and you see what changes he made in not only Europe but the whole world.

    • Posted By: metzlerd @ 07/31/2008 3:01:13 PM

      If you'd actually read something besides FOX news, then you'd have more than 1 thing.
      If you even looked in posts on some of these blogs, you'd know. If you're just going to sit there and make excuses for why this legislation didn't count or that one didn't count, then it's kind of pointless because you don't really want the answer anyway.

  • Posted By: CHG-NY'er 4ever @ 07/31/2008 1:30:55 PM

    To: Miltongalfas: Appears there are still tell-tale signs of that white powder around your nostrils. Lack of judgement??? You are in no position, by any standard, to criticize Obama's judgement. Tell us something we don't know. He very honestly already laid it out there in his book, so you and McCain and his band of low class political machinery should try the Obama approach of addressing the issues that are plaguing us, instead of digging up useless pieces of information to scare the other morons of your ilk into voting for a doddering old fool who has trouble determining which country still exists and what role Al Queada plays in the middle east. I would dare to guess that we have you to thank for the moron in the White House currently.

    • Posted By: fedupwlibs @ 07/31/2008 3:45:14 PM

      You're welcome. I say that on behalf of the majority of this country who helped put our current president in the white house. Apparently over half the country is made up of morons. Who knows...you could be sitting next to one right now...

      • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 07/31/2008 4:07:29 PM

        uh he actualy lost the popular vote so you'd be less the half. not to mention he's a moron and your a bigger moron for voting for him. ouch double knowledge smackdown

  • Posted By: Morgalker23 @ 07/31/2008 4:07:17 PM

    Offshore drilling can be seen, (not) really, to solve all the problems facing America today. What is more interesting, however, is the use of typical quotes and soundbites used by Both parties to push their agenda. Compiled here is a list of what the Republicans think can be solved by offshore (US) drilling, and why it must be done immediately. It's pretty funny. <b> http://www.236.com/news/2008/07/30/poor_depressed_impotent_offsho_8035.php

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