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  • Posted By: lostinthemix @ 08/09/2008 3:48:49 PM

    One more thing... If you are "allowing" your child to have sex, by not putting your foot down and showing them methods of "safe sex", then you need to extend that argument to all aspects of their lives. For instance, drugs. Are you going to tell your child "I really don't want you to do drugs, but if you do, here's how to do it safely..." In that case, you should explain to them how they can inject meth "safely" by using a clean needle they can obtain from their local pharmacy. Or how about how to ration their intake of marijuana, so they can still function, but not be totally impaired. Or take the argument with alcohol. Are you going to give in on that one too? Tell them, it's okay to drink when you're under 21, just as long as you call me if you need me to pick you up? Why do you as parents feel the need to let your child experiment with these things? They have no place in a child's life, and you as a parent should be enforcing that rule. Grow some, and raise your child to be what you want them to be, not what they feel they should be at 13 years old. These kids don't have a clue because their parents don't either.

    • Posted By: bordercolliefan @ 08/09/2008 4:01:30 PM

      I agree with you on MANY aspects but comparing birthcontrol and drugs was rediculous. God made us to have sex- to enjoy it and to bear fruit. He did not make us to do drugs and enjoy it. That is a sinister act. You CANNOT CONTROL what your chold ends up doing. We can impart MANY of our ideals and morals into them and pray that they listen and heed our advice,but, the pressures our children go through is TOUGH on them. Getting with the program and teaching them that birth control is ok is not wrong, My daughter told me that she will let me know when she wants to start having sex, then we can talk more. This parent will NOT be caught on the downside sitting in an abortion clinic nor will I be a grandmother to a child with a child as its mother. If your child trusts you to be open with you- your a parent that has done his/her job well.

      • Posted By: Aeddon's mom @ 08/09/2008 7:58:18 PM

        Talk about arguing apples against oranges. Lostinthemix your analogy is simple on its face and not at all logical. Their is no biological drive to drink alcohol or do drugs, however, their is a biological drive (hormones) to procreate.

        And while we tell our children not to do drugs under any circumstances in our household (we have the misfortune to be able to hold out our niece who is a meth addict in prison as a case in point) we have told them about the dangers of alcohol just as we have with sex.

        While I was a teen, I lost three fellow students to drunk driving in high school. One died on his own, the other died while being driven by another drunk. Yes, to save my child's life (which is more important to me than being a perfect poster parent) we have each of them sign a promise to never get into a car with someone who has been drinking, and to call for a safe ride home no questions asked.

        Does this mean I am going to act like I didn't know my child was drinking? No way, But in order to get them home safely there will not be a lecture or a punishment. We will certainly explore who they were hanging out with and speak with their parents, and the parents of whomever held the party. We would reopen a conversation about trust, but what we have found so far is that building trust in our kids, and letting them know that we trust them - encourages them to follow through on their end of the bargain.

        We hear who is doing what, and we discuss what we think, we talk about what they would do differently, or whether they would change anything.

        My parents, put their foot down, their fists on us, their belts on us and ruled with force. My brother got seriously involved with drugs. My sister was a religious zealot (so I guess you all would say it worked - but she is also seriously clinically depressed and won't get help because it goes against her church) myself I was a straight A student who was sexually active and raped by a so called "friend". I was lucky that I was also smart and Aids wasn't around yet. My point is that being so authoritative a parent - can back fire for the child. My parents didn't know of my rape for 6 years because I was afraid of them. My father apologized.

        My kids, on the other hand know that mom means business, but they also know that mom will talk to you and help you out if you are in trouble.

    • Posted By: kbates @ 08/09/2008 3:57:59 PM

      HALLELUJAH!! That is the best thing that I have read in all of these comments!!!

      • Posted By: sdave2 @ 08/09/2008 4:01:21 PM

        The most intelligent comment BY FAR

        • Posted By: SheepieFan @ 08/09/2008 5:03:44 PM

          I agree this has got to be THE most intelligent comment I have read. Sex is not a minority thing, nor is drug use for that matter(illegal or legal drugs) the only true way to help our children is to get it out in the open and not make it so taboo. I like the comments from the Dutch individual who said they start talking about it at age 4 I believe and continue the conversation not stop it just before the hormones start raging. Stopping the conversations at this point is an oxymoron. I think the Dutch are on to something here with the sex thing. Of course they are open with drugs also. I would like to know the jobless/social issues that that causes.

  • Posted By: nicoledabomb911 @ 08/09/2008 7:53:03 PM

    im a tween and i think not by my parents telling me or anyone else but i think it is the safest thing to do is to wait till your married...its in my religion, but im not saying that cause of my religion im saying, its my morals that i have, Its the best thing to do for any young tween or teen.

  • Posted By: Elistra @ 08/09/2008 7:52:11 PM

    Hmm... so you're supposed to relate good values as pertains to sexual activity to your twelve year-old daughter.

    Personally, I think that little tidbit of info - sex being only appropriate in the context of a committed monogamous relationship between two adults -- is something that should have been included in your answer to her question of where babies come from, a good 6+ years before.

    Assuming you've actually done your job as a parent, your tween children will have absolutely NO doubt as to your values. Now, if you relied on the television set, the internet, and whatever strangers as you chose to pay to raise your children for you... well, you get what you get, now don't ya? :P

  • Posted By: ednurse @ 08/09/2008 7:51:33 PM

    excellent suggestions, I wish more parents would read these and use the information. I am an Emergency Dept. RN, and it is heart breaking to see 11- 12-13 year old girls come in, who is pregnant and in labor and the look of terror on her face because she does not understand what is happening to her body, and you always know she has little or no support from an intellegent adult. It is very sad for them and the little one on the way! PARENTS, YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND REALIZE, THAT YES, YOUR, SO CALLED LITTLE ANGELS ARE DOING THIS WHEN YOUR BACK IS TURNED!!!!! Like it or not mom, dad, granny, LISTEN sometime, instead of talking so much. #3 young lives are at risk here, not just your angel.......

  • Posted By: sdave2 @ 08/09/2008 3:59:19 PM

    People are too busy to have any control over their kids anymore.... teaching your kids about sex when they're 13??? Seriously?? Geez what has the world come to... Who wants their kids to grow up with other children who are having sex in MIDDLE school?

    • Posted By: Aeddon's mom @ 08/09/2008 7:41:22 PM

      I may not "want" my kid growing up with other children who are having sex in MIDDLE school, however that is the reality. I can be an ostrich and bury my head in the sand, like many have commented here on this board, or I can be proactive and speak with my child about sex, our values about sex, how to protect herself from assault, pregancy and disease.

      We have had these conversations since she was about 8 years old and relayed slumber party talk about dreams girls were discussing involving sex, which thankfully they misunderstood to be kissing. This evolved into discussion about sex. She thought sex was "gross" I agreed that at her age it was meant to be gross. We continue the discussions now as she enters Junior High with the knowledge that some kids will come from different backgrounds, with different value systems and think sex is okay at this age. She thinks that is still gross. When asked when she thought sex might be appropriate she answered "25"

      I'm not an ostrich, that is a big clue that we need to maintain a good, positive relationship, because I doubt that my daughter will wait til 25. Would I mind? I'm not sure - not if she hadn't found a decent guy yet.

      But I also don't believe that the religious right should make someone feel bad about their body, or their choices when they are mature thinking adult. So many responses here are by what appear to be very uneducated religious zealots. I know we all make the occassional typo, but some of these people don't even understand how to use grammar or syntax.

    • Posted By: mikeyqb08 @ 08/09/2008 4:56:32 PM

      kids at the age of 13 really do have sex i am 13 and i actually am aware of my actions and my buddies do not understand the effect it could have on their life in the longrun

  • Posted By: Shaiix @ 08/09/2008 3:13:06 PM

    A TWEEN is a an 11-12 yr old. The ages between not a kid,(puberty and teenage feelings have hit, including the same pressure), but still not in the teen-sounded numbers. (thir-teen). They are not children. Fact is, they're no where like children. The innocence is gone, and the curiosity is up. And in my experience, age appropriate is 11. I have found out many of my younger cousins, and my friends brothers and sisters started having sex at the age of 12. Most started fore-play at the age of 11! And majority of them never knew what a condom was... (sigh)

    • Posted By: Nygirl4ever @ 08/09/2008 3:23:15 PM

      child is a child not a teen or an adult, I have heard this term used to sescribe any child betwenn the ages of 8 and 11, a *** is a child between the ages of 11 and 12. This is why we have so many children who are sexually active before their time. A tween is just another term to make children older than what they are, a child is a child case closed. A pre teen is a pre-teen is 11 or 12 and at thirteen they are adolescents. Lets talk to our children and not leave it up to others and to tv to teach our children.

      • Posted By: locust456 @ 08/09/2008 7:37:35 PM

        Isn't a person an adult only at 18?
        Since when a teen is considered to make adult choices?
        Aren't parents responsible for them until the age of 18?
        I think only when one is 18 they can do as they like, as long as they are minors, they need to listen to their parents. Society is blurring this by giving teens the ok to do adult stuff..

  • Posted By: HKY4915 @ 08/09/2008 7:30:49 PM

    While what your saying has good intentions; this article does have one thing right. It is the parents job and responsibility to teach there children good moral practices. Not the church, not a school class, not a "celibacy group". You, as a parent, are responsible for your child and the moral practices that they learn first and last. Don't abdicate that responsibility to your church or to your child's school.

  • Posted By: SNURDLY @ 08/09/2008 7:28:11 PM

    This society lacks the fire and brimstone morality needed to counter teen sex and seems to chalk advice up to a vague sense of "feelings" and "love". It's amusing how the advice of "waiting for the right person" seems to translate into everyone they date. Even the word "dating" is pretty much synonomous with intercourse these days. TV is nothing more than soft porn mostly seen when kids are still awake. With the ever increasing sexualized society, teens and young adults are instructed to postpone marriage to focus on careers. In other words, in the meantime, just fornicate and have fun. Now, the individual comes first, not the family. And if a girl does get married, the norm is to never have more than 2 kids.

  • Posted By: flmojo @ 08/09/2008 6:56:27 PM

    How about finding something productive for your son or daughter to do than hang with their main squeeze every afternoon. Gee, I know you're home alone every day. Here's some condoms, have at it.

    • Posted By: PacGrovemum @ 08/09/2008 7:25:39 PM

      I heartilly agree. My surrogate parents bought their daughters a huge dispenser box of condoms for under their bathroom sink. All of their "boyfriends" and friends, knew.
      They did not just encourage their own children, they set up a place for many many other parents children to come and get condoms, just by needing to go to the bathroom, surreptitiously. And they showed their own kids, that sex without marriage, meant they approved. Those daughters felt less loved/protected/cherished. their bodies, were up for using, by their parents action, and attiutude, and they KNEW it, and so did the boyfriends USING them.
      Is that how you want to be remembered parents?

      Case in point, no matter what speech you tell them, handing a condom to your child is telling them, you are not worth marriage sex, go despoil yourself, I dont care.

      The parent becomes instantly the reason and the barrier between the Gods way, and the childs knowledge/instinct not to.

      Kids are born knowing not to. Parents back this up!

  • Posted By: Discover.TheWaterfront @ 08/09/2008 7:25:31 PM

    In case anyone hasn't noticed, teens will end up facing these choices no matter what.
    And the least parents can do is tell them the consequences, and how to take these actions safely. Now, for those who say that parents telling their kids sex is "OK" is an automatic failure in parenting, consider that there is no one hundred percent right way to parent. Others may view what they should teach their kids differently. In my opinion, I would rather talk to my kids about it then tell them just plain no. If they tell their kid that, it's basically putting a wedge in their relationship, because the teen may feel he/she can't communicate with their parents without them understanding.

    Sex is almost inevitable at these ages. Even with religion stating do not have sex until you're married, it is natural and will happen.
    .Quote from MichelleChemE: "The idea of "waiting until marriage" was created thousands of years ago when most people were married between the ages of 11-16, pretty much as soon as their hormones kicked in."

  • Posted By: PacGrovemum @ 08/09/2008 7:19:51 PM

    Besides Good parenting, means : do as is Right.
    Not do as I do, did, or want you to try.

    It means, do as God instructs us to, you cannot fail then.

  • Posted By: EMBuckles @ 08/09/2008 3:21:25 PM

    Our nation needs to go back to the idea of "courtship" and away from the idea of "dating". Further, families with religious beliefs, especially Jews and Christians, need to teach their teenagers that sex outside of marriage is WRONG. If a young person seems to have a strong sex drive, they need to be told to privately masturbate instead of having sex with someone outside of marriage. We also need to bring it strongly to you peoples' attention that if someone is willing to have sex with them outside of marriage, they likely would be willing to and may have had sex with others which puts each person who has had sex with them at risk for sexually transmitted diseases. Most people who have sex are highly unlikely, especially when they are strongly stimulated and ready to have sex, to use condoms and STDs can be passed through oral sex. And, of course, like another poster mentioned, the word ABSTINENCE needs to be used. Tell the kids to ABSTAIN for either religious or practical reasons or both, or to privately masturbate, and focus on growing up and finishing their educations! And ALL parents need to know what their child is doing at ALL times and to provide needed guidance and discipline!!!

  • Posted By: PacGrovemum @ 08/09/2008 7:18:32 PM

    Obviously, a well-adjusted chid with real church activities in her life/his life, would be getting answers to feelings physical, about waiting.
    There are even school clubs to be celibate, for the reasons of self esteem.

    It was not OK for me, and I was from NEGLECT and it is not OK for other kids either.
    People, recall the golden calf time period?
    Orgies, etc, go with the false idols, false gods.

    One God, and He says not until marriage.
    I don't question authourity, when it is His.
    I only question people claiming to be authourities, and not knowing this stuff by rote. Ask book store for any one of the Biblew companion books, which written for talking to your / with your children, they are REAL good advice, bnot this journalistic, good intention, but phew, lacking in Biblical knowledge herself.
    She needs to read.

  • Posted By: SNURDLY @ 08/09/2008 7:18:08 PM

    This society lacks the fire and brimstone aspect of teaching morality and likes to chalk everything up to vague senses of "feelings" and "love". It's funny how "waiting for the right person" seems to be everyone they meet. Instead of raising kids to be goal oriented in finding a mate they teach them more and more to focus on careers and postpone marriage, almost like retirement planning. With an increasingly sexualized society, its no wonder why kids have the values they have.

  • Posted By: owneichensehr08 @ 08/09/2008 6:40:04 PM

    how about this..stop being naieve and admit to your kids and yourselevs that sex happens before marriage. Instead of teaching them to wait..teach them to be safe..and if they want to wait until then let that be their plan of action. But teaching that its "gods law" is ridiculous. god created animals...which have the instinct to reproduce in order to remain in existance..people are anilmals and have the same primal instinct.

    • Posted By: locust456 @ 08/09/2008 7:15:59 PM

      Then use primal instinct when you want to ask a raise to your boss and bite him on the neck.
      Ohh no, you can control that, can you?
      Have you ever heard of "civilization"?
      And controlling appetities?

    • Posted By: locust456 @ 08/09/2008 7:14:26 PM

      Then use primal instinct when you want a raise with your boss and bite him on the neck. Ohhh no, you can control that, can you?

  • Posted By: ybomb @ 08/09/2008 6:54:04 PM

    This article lacks the depth needed for true, effective parent-child sex communication. It would have served its readers better in interviewing a sex education expert. Sex communication and messaging starts at birth and consists of much more than the "big talk." This article minimizes a major part of child development.
    Dr. Yvonne K. Fulbright

    • Posted By: PacGrovemum @ 08/09/2008 7:13:50 PM

      Dr. Fulbright, could I ask you to talk with me? I have a Munchausen Syndrome by proxy situaTIOn, that nobody will talk about with me. My daughter is being by proxied by her gramma, my mom, who did it to us. We just need some real referral. One, or a follow through Doctor, to help us. We need safety, and nobody in the regular police world etc, knows, or cares. if you can talk, there is a chat page, on yahoo, under parents. I will be pacgrovemum. Thank you please.

  • Posted By: bobfriend @ 08/09/2008 7:06:07 PM

    the writer of this article must be one the same ones who write about other meaningless subjects like "Going Green" 11-14 years old have no business spending anytime with anyone life a girlfriend or boyfriend. Just tell them NO! Parents need to get the guts to be parnets and stand up to their children. Having sex at a young age isn't healthy. If you can't be a strong parent, go buy condems or better yet get your girl on birth control pills. Maybe her child bearing years will be storten by doing that, or maybe give her heart trouble at 40.

  • Posted By: michele Diana @ 08/09/2008 3:30:18 PM

    I am very disappointed in this article.
    I would rather talk to my grandchildren about abstinence and staying pure since we are a Godly family.
    I think it horrifylng that a parent would show children how to put a condom on a cucumber.
    What is wrong now a days with old fashoned values? It certainly worked my beautiful 26 year old daughter and the same upbringing applied to her now husband. You won't hear very often that 2 young adults like them were virgins when they married. She actually stopped modeling when she was a young teen because the other girls were so wild. It seems to me that it might be the fault of the parents today that we have such a wild promiscuous society.

    • Posted By: **normalteen** @ 08/09/2008 4:09:13 PM

      Okay I'm A 15 Year Old Girl, And I Lost My Virginity In Grade 9, And My Parents Believed In Our Religion, And We Are Catholic, And They Told Me Not To Have Sex Till Marraige, But I Didn't Listen To Them, What Makes You Think All The Teens Out There Are Practicing Abstinace, When All Of There Friends Are Out There Having Sex, And Most Of Us Girls Will Even Have Sex With Our Guy Best Friends, In My Case I Had Sex With My Best Guy Friend, But The First Thing We Made Sure We Did Was Use A Condom! What Can Parents Acually Do To Stop Us! LIke Get Real, Teens Are Out There Having Sex Behind There Parents Backs, Sex Can Happen Everywhere, Even In Your Own House When You Parents Are Sleeping, You Child Can Sneek Out ext.. But The Thing You Parents Can Do Is To Always Make Your Selves Open To Your Teens, And What Makes Us Teens Scared And Why We Hide Sex From Our Parents Is Because We Think Our Parents Will Yell And Get Super Mad!

      • Posted By: stevec21 @ 08/09/2008 6:58:24 PM

        You're obviously posing as a teen - and not one...and that every capiltal letter thing is really annoying

    • Posted By: lostinthemix @ 08/09/2008 3:35:20 PM

      Amen, and thank you for your comments!

  • Posted By: TheSpouse @ 07/31/2008 2:33:16 PM

    Let me add that while I encourage parents to get specific, I DO NOT agree with the suggestion in #8 to buy a box of condoms and practice with a cucmber!

    This would be a big mistake. We need to understand that delaying the onset of sexual activity until marriage results in healthier individuals and relationships.

    • Posted By: Star149 @ 08/01/2008 8:31:48 AM

      If you actually read #8, then you would realise it's an "if your teen is already having sex" scenario - you're not encouraging anything by trying to protect your child's health, and ignoring it and letting them practice potentially unsafe sex certainly doesn't "delay the onset of sexual activity"... it just increases the risk that someone is going to get pregnant or catch and STD.

      I also don't agree with yoru comment on marriage, but that's a personal choice. I for one am *glad* that my husband and I both had some prior experience when we got together... I can't imagine anything worse than waiting for the wedding night with "The One" and finding out neither of you have a clue what to do, what you like... talk about a let-down on what should be a special night!

      • Posted By: stevec21 @ 08/09/2008 6:50:18 PM

        If you're marrying for love then the sex would be good no matter what. Sharing that intimate time with your signifigant other should be special anyway - if you love them. You shouldn't base satisfaction and judgement on sexual experience as your first times together - at least not on your wedding night, if it happened to be your first - if you love him, it should be good no matter what

      • Posted By: stevec21 @ 08/09/2008 6:48:11 PM

        If you're marrying him for love, then your wedding night would be special no matter what. You shouldn't lead your feelings and disappointment by sexual actions.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 07/31/2008 2:55:36 PM

      "I DO NOT agree with the suggestion in #8 to buy a box of condoms and practice with a [cucumber]! "

      Agreed - talk about giving a kid unrealistic expectations! They're KIDS! Start with a dry-erase marker.

      • Posted By: nikonguy88 @ 08/08/2008 2:44:15 AM

        just throw on a porno and some dr. phil :P

    • Posted By: nikonguy88 @ 08/08/2008 2:42:21 AM

      Screw the whole wait-until-marriage P.O.V. (Point Of View) your only a teen once and those years are about experimenting, whether parents like it or not. I do agree with u on the cucumber. A very disturbing approach.

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