Why Israel Won’t Change

Inside Obama's meeting with Netanyahu.

By Michael Hirsh | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Aug 1, 2008 | Updated: 8:50  a.m. ET Aug 1, 2008

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  • Posted By: issachar5 @ 10/10/2008 12:14:32 PM

    Comment: I noted that Pat Robertson (The 700 Club) has predicted that Israel would attach Iran after the US election and before the new President is sworn in. I DO KNOW that trusting Obama to support Israel is an act of stupidity. Obama spent 24 years supporting a church that IS anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli, pro-Hamas, and pro-Terrorist (...supported the Sandanistas). DO NOT rely on an Obama administration to support Israel. No accommodation with the Palestinians will be successful. Trust in God, and the promises he has given Israel; you have recalled from the diaspora by him, and NO NATION and no combination of nations on earth will ever defeat you again. Make NO TREATY with the Palestinians; give not one iota of the land God has given Israel to those terrorists.

  • Posted By: doktor @ 08/14/2008 7:46:58 AM

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  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/11/2008 6:52:35 PM

    Comment: Are any of you chicken hearted chicken hawk repug mccainites/bra burning clintonites ever gonna step up and answer or just do the ROVE thing avoid and redirect?

    I ask a repug "why is the sky blue?" Repug says "well grass is green." I ask why is water wet?" repug says "dirt is brown and grass grows in dirt so Obama is a Muslim"...lol


    Here lets ask a question and see if a repug can answer with out saying the words Democrats, Obama or Clinton:

    Q: Which American President ignored intelligence that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks, then LEFT AFGHANISTAN for Iraq (a country that has never attacked the US) Says he NEVER even thinks about those who attacked us, "I don't even worry about bin laden"...he says
    Sub question: which American Senator has supported nearly ALL of said Presidents policies on the WAR as proven by his record of voting with the "President" 90% of the time?

    A: have at it

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/12/2008 11:00:06 AM

      Comment: I ask a Dem "why is the sky blue? his response."I didnt have sexual relations with that woman"..I ask "Why is the grass green" he responds " I didnt have sexual relations with that woman"..I ask "why is water wet?" He responds " The cigar has to be...Er. I mean ..I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/11/2008 7:44:29 PM

      Comment: You, like the Democrat clowns in Congress like to think you are so smart...What else was in the bill that included the "new" GI bill? That was something that was loaded with bullsh*t spending...THATS why he voted against it..Look it up you pair of mixed matched clown shoes...Stop making yourself look like a total idiot! Oil funding a campaign is nothing new..But then again Obama being buddy buddy with Jodie Evans (a known supporter and fund raiser for Islamic terrorists in Iraq) would be frowned upon once that gets into the media closer to election time. Oh and while you are at it, look up the funding he got from Weather Undergrounds William Ayers and his buddy Dohrn...You know, the pals that are responsible for the ATLEAST 12 bombings in New York that claimed some lives in the 70's (and they still claim they are glad they did it)...Ofcourse Wright and the Chicago thugs that he thinks he will brush under the rug...They are some real examples of the types of America loving supporters that has Obama rolls with..And you are complaining about oil companies supporting McCain...Please! To answer you question: The same administration that allowed improper relations in the Oval Office..And lied about it! The same administration that had bin Laden in their cross hairs and was advised by some Afghan tribes to take him out, but HE decided (for the sake of an election) not to....All right you got me IT WAS CLINTON! A DEMOCRAT! Dont be to dismayed..I blame Clinton for NAFTA too...Remember how glorious it was going to be for America?...ALL the jobs it was going to create HERE and ABROAD! Speaking of ABROAD, Did you hear the joke about a former candidate that says she DIDNT support NAFTA?!

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 10:03:08 PM

    Comment: Are any of you chicken hearted chicken hawk repug mccainites/bra burning clintonites ever gopnna step up and answer or just do the ROVE thing avoid and redirect?

    I ask a repug "why is the sky blue?" Repug says "well grass is green." I ask why is water wet?" repug says "dirt is brown and grass grows in dirt so Obama is a muslim"...lol

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/12/2008 2:03:41 PM

      Comment: Haha chicken hearted..Maybe if you ask a clear question, youd get a clear answer.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/12/2008 6:35:14 PM

        Comment: Oh Im sorry what part of:

        "Here lets ask a question and see if a repug can answer with out saying the words Deomcrats, Obama or Clinton:

        Q: Which American President ingnored intelligence that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks, then LEFT AFGHANISTAN for Iraq (a country that has never attacked the US) Says he NEVER even thinks about those who attacked us, "I don't even worry about bin laden"...he says
        Sub question: which American Senator has supported nearly ALL of said Presidents policies on the WAR as proven by his record of voting with the "President" 90% of the time?"...Me

        Confused you, poor newby, it's good that you admit that you gest lost beyond any FOX points,,,it's ok ;)

        Now try again and quit dodging...I love the attempt to immitate me, I'm Flattered ;)

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/13/2008 3:33:32 PM

          Comment: ANSWER: THE BIG, RED NOSED, LIAR. CLINTON! Just because you try to word a question to keep from getting the answer that is fact, doesnt change that fact...CLINTON IGNORED THE WARNINGS LIKE YOU ARE IGNORING HISTORY!

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:39:20 PM

    Comment: Are any of you chicken hearted chicken hawk repug mccainites/bra burning clintonites ever gopnna step up and answer or just do the ROVE thing avoid and redirect?

    I ask a repug "why is the sky blue?" Repug says "well grass is green." I ask why is water wet?" repug says "dirt is brown and grass grows in dirt so Obama is a muslim"...lol

  • Posted By: dmartyris @ 08/10/2008 7:23:13 PM

    Comment: The best way to satisfy Israel's demands for security are to deploy US forces in Isreal as a guarntee against nuclear attack by Iran. They would also help to ensure that "security" can no longer be used as an excuse by the right wing settler lobby to derail a comprehensive peace agreement with the Palestinians.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/09/2008 4:40:01 PM

    Comment: No victory, no peace
    know victory, know peace

    No freedom, no peace
    Know freedom, know peace

    No Jesus, no peace
    Know Jesus, know peace

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/09/2008 8:33:07 PM

      Comment: I can understand that you have religious beliefs...I am sure that most of us have read most of the bible and respect it in some way...But you should maybe(just a suggestion) talk about the post at hand rather than give us sunday school lessons.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 7:50:06 PM

    Comment: The angels made their choice millenniums ago, one third of them made the wrong choice, and now they are called demons, whose leader, Satan persuaded them to follow him, and they have been a plague on earth ever since. Now that he knows his time is getting short here, and soon he will be thrown into the pit, he is trying to get as many humans as will be dumb enough to listen to his lies, to take with him. Don't fight with me about it, I didn't write it, I am only repeating it. And I believe it. Jesus gave us signs to look for to know the end would be near, and all one needs to do is read the headlines or look at what is happening in our world today to see those signs taking place. However, only God, himself, knows the exact time it will happen. Its time we all took a long, hard look at our life and decide if its what we want our creator to see when he comes to call. Don't mean to get preachy, but just being a concerned citizen of the earth.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/09/2008 12:17:04 PM

      Comment: I have no response to that.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 6:44:09 PM

    Comment: The Jews are God's chosen people, and don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not going to argue with God. They did not accept Jesus as the son of God, and the savior, because he did not arrive in a blaze of glory, with trumpets blaring, and a host of angels to destroy all the enemies of Israel. That will be his SECOND coming, but his first was as a baby, born under humble circumstances, so that was un-acceptable to the Jews of that era. If they knew anything at all about God, they should have known that he does thing his own way, and its always the best way. However, their attitude concerning God's way of sending his son is between them & God. We will fight on God's side, and, according to the scriptures, an enemy of Israel is an enemy of God, and a friend of Israel's is, also, God's friend. It is written that there will come a time when we need to make a choice as to which side we will fight on, and this is a war between good & evil, although it will be humans who will be involved in the war. As I stated, I don't argue with God or his way of doing things--at least not often, but sometimes I can get a bit testy, and he is patient with me like any parent whose child is behaving bratty, but once in awhile he finds it necessary to give me a little swat to remind me who is in charge. God Bless us all, and God help us all.

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/05/2008 5:10:54 PM

    Comment: McCain adopts another Obama campaign slogan..."Are you better off now than you were 4yrs ago?"...Obama has been saying it since the primaries. Now, mccain DESPERATE to seperate himslef form bush, though he has voted with bush 90% of the time, is using the EXACT same line...John, DESPERATION is a stinky perfume.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/06/2008 8:07:49 PM

      Comment: Obama: "I dont support drilling" awhile later "we need to drill"...Obama" I will pull our troops out 16 mo. after Im elected" after visiting Iraq: "We will pull troops out when neccessary"..Seems McCain has been saying we need to drill for a while, and pull the troops out when its time and not before.... Obamas been the tune changing radio far more than John...And what the hell does this have to do with this topic?

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 08/07/2008 11:04:11 AM

        Comment: Surfing through newsweek is always good for a laugh or 2.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/06/2008 9:42:32 PM

        Comment: Ok poor FOX diluted soul 101, here I'll break it to you like this:

        1. June 10 2008 - John Mccain receives 280,000.00 from 10 BIG OIL reps (total) for his struggling campaign.
        2. June 16th 2008 - After YEARS of opposing OFSHORE DRILLING, mccain has a revalation (for 280k), and desides that he is FOR and now agressively for offshore drilling, side note: even after all attempts to seperate himself from bush, bush comes out THE NEXT DAY and makes teh SAME speech..lol
        3. For the month of July alone, John Mccain receives 1.3million from BIG OIL...huh...if you total that with the 280k from mid June you get 1,580,000.00 in les than 2 months for mccain from big oil.
        NOW!
        4. Obama stood his ground until the meeting of "THE GANG OF TEN" five and five Dems and Repugs trying to reach an agreement both can feel comfortable with. Obama has said if it's brings about a greater good the LIMITED drilling on land oil already has the leases on (67 million acres) would be possible, we all wait to see the final draft.

        Oh yeah, he did it with requiring 1,580,000.00 from big oil also.

        • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/06/2008 9:47:08 PM

          Comment: It's very clear that you have only been listening to FOXC for your "info".

          Obama has maintianed that exact position on Iraq since the Primaries, he has said 16 month, based on conditions, and the Iraqi Presidant agrees, it was John Mccain who said there is NO such word as "TIME TABLE". He agrees with Obama when talking to CNN and then 2 days later lies about saying the word "TIME TABLE." Well maybe "lies" is a strong word, maybe he forgot what he had said only two days earlier on National TV...he is old you know.

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/07/2008 10:09:36 AM

            Comment: Yes and we know CNN is sooo unbiased right..They have been caught so many times fudging debates and breaking stories with barely any facts...Go ahead and vote for Obooba...His superstar status will only get him so far in the real world...Who cares if oil companies finance McCain...They arent the crooks you are perceiving them as...They produce oil to make money..If they supported Obama there wouldnt be a problem regarding funding his campaign, would there? ...Remind me of the facts where Obama has numerous financial ties with the thugs in Chicago?..Or tell me the facts where he has sooooo much experience in foriegn policies. How about his time REALLY serving our country...His little on again and off again votes as a senator isnt crap compared to the experience of McCain...McCain has always stood his ground against both parties...Obama will just follow where the mosh pit takes him...Then when the parties over and everyone sobers up, he will be seen for the lying(Dem trait), non patriotic(his own wifes attitude), self absorbed, sneeky inexperienced clown he is. What Presidential candidate would choose to butt into a concert in Germany instead of AT THE LEAST visit the very soldiers that are protecting his right to run for President?...I wouldnt be in the least bit surprised if draft dodging Bill Clinton did that were he running....Please vote for your Obama...Then when he doesnt "change" anything, YOU can feel good that you atleast took part in his Marde Gras run...Id take McCains older and wise ass, over a young twit that would be easily influencened by Washingtons politics just as teenagers are by peer pressure...

            • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 7:08:32 PM

              Comment: Hwere do you get "bias" out of John McCain's OWN WORDS? HIS FACE HIS MOUTH, not CCN FOX MSNBC CSPAN AP etc, just maacin syaing one thing one day and then less than 2 days later lying about it...hell mccain did it in a matter of hours on the tire pressure-gate"...he's a desperate idiot, As for foreign policy "experience" I agree with Maj General W. Clarke "does being hlep prisoner for 5 years qualify as presidentila experience?"....(paraphrase)

              Now I know you repugs like to dedirect ratherr than asnwer a actual question, but give it try.

              • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 7:15:34 PM

                Comment: P.S.
                1, Are you refering to the same troops mccain did NOT visit in March 08 when he went to Geermany, The same troops that through his horrible judgmant and siding with bush, mccian is in part responsible for them being wounded. Call all the names you wnt mccain is a joke.

                • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/09/2008 9:38:18 PM

                  Comment: You bet your ASS that being a POW fighting for your country says alot more than some superstar for the moment young know nothing...Obama has no clue as to what he is doing...He is just riding the popularity wave until it wipes him out....Then all you Obama star gazers will be standing on the shores of denial wondering what the hell all the fuss was about..Your probably only rooting for him because Oprah told you to..Notice how she stayed out of sight when the Wright debacle happened?..Thats just what you will probably do when he falls from grace...Act like you never REALLY supported him. Also McCain has visited the troops way before Obama was TOLD to do it as a PR stunt.

                  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:45:09 PM

                    Comment: Actually the answer is NO! having less than 20hrs of combat, crashing 4 jet fighters and setting a 5th on fire, getting shot down because you suck at what you do, graduating 894th out of 899 does NOT a President make, we already had a "FAKE" pilot in the white house for 8yrs, he crashed the country, as mccain will continue to do, serving only the oil companies funding him ;)

                    March of 08 mccain NO SHOWED when in Germany, and Obama visited troops in Afghanistan, and Iraq...SKADOUCHE!
                    Mccain also showed NO SUPPORT FOR US TROOPS when he NO VOTED the NEW GI BILL. '

                    Whoops OBAMA VOTED YES as did the majority of congress, a VETO PROOF majority, know who DID NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS?...BUSH ans MCCAIN...what a "hero, what a patriot...loser.

                    LMAO!
                    NEXT...bring me some more talking points newby ;)

  • Posted By: TRJR @ 08/05/2008 2:50:14 PM

    Comment: Iran has land borders with Pakistan (nuclear weapons), Afghanistan (thousands of NATO troops),Turrkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey (NATO member), Iraq (thousand of American trops).
    Within missile range are nuclera armed Israel, Russia and American bases in Kuwait and Bahrain. It is a very dangerous region. They have the same rights as any other state to kep nuclear weapons for their defense

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/05/2008 8:15:44 PM

      Comment: Your right and crazy ppl have the right to bear arms...Felons are ppl to...They have the right to defend themselves from tazer toting, trigger happy cops..Sounds ridiculous?...So does allowing Iran to achieve their goal of "electricity"!

      • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 08/07/2008 11:09:22 AM

        Comment: Doesn't america hold the record of dropping weapons of mass destruction. Other countries have them but they have not used them on other coutries except for some chemical weapons. So if america and isreal and china can have nuclear weapons ans nuclear power plants why can't Iran, or is this a personal grudge. Did a Iranian man do something bad to you when you were a little kid...ahhhh.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 11:43:19 PM

          Comment: Only on those who try to destroy us, Slave, and we, also, hold the record for helping those who need help, and for being free to make our own choices about our life. We don't tell other countries what they can or can't have, we only ask that they behave responsibily, but we know from experience, that not all countries will, so we'd be less than responsible to ourselves and others if we did not monitor what is going on in those countries. We may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. There are rumors that some countries want to rule the world. Why?? What in the hell would they do with the world even if it were possible to obtain that kind of power? First of all, the world would not tolerate such control. Second, everyone dies eventually, even leaders, and they couldn't take the world with them. Third, they would have to answer to a much greater power once they leave this life. So, they need to ask themselves one question--is it worth it? To lose eternity for a few years to feed your ego? Wouldn't it be better to use the knowlege we have for a better purpose, to eliminate weapons designed to destroy ourselves? I believe prophesy is designed to tell us what will happen unless we change it by changing our very nature. I do not believe prophesy is engraved in stone. God gave us free choice, so we can, ultimately, choose our destiny. God knows human nature, and from the beginning, humans have, consistantly, made the wrong choices, so, unless we turn that around, yes, our destiny will be what prophesy says. Its in our hands, and, of course, God's. He wants us to do the right thing, and he will help if we ask. Its time to have a global prayer to be delivered from evil, and to ask help in doing God's will. Oh, yeah, before you remind me about all the various religions & beliefs, I am aware of that issue, but each of us, in our own way, in our own language, can ask for His help. He speaks every language. I'm un-realistic? Maybe. But just maybe this is really the only realistic answer left. Think! Use our heads for something more than holding our ears apart.

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/07/2008 5:26:03 PM

          Comment: HaHaHa..-_- Are you a dropout or something? Are you serious? Unless you ditched history class...Reasoning for developing a WMD was......The U.S. was in a race to develop a wmd before Germany..We acheived that goal and dropped it in a time of war against Japan (Nagasaki/Hiroshima) to avoid an all out invasion/assault that would have cost more lives on both sides and prolonged the war..and it had its desired affect, thus ending WW2...Iran has NNNoOOO business acheiving such a goal...Radical elements, in Iran , will no doubt "accidentally" get there hands on such a device and would love to deliver it to the U.S...But by others on this posts frame of mind, Iran, wouldnt ever do anything to harm the U.S. or its interests...Looking back at Irans past they are right, Iran is soooo peaceful...They only support Hamas, a peace loving organization that enjoys Irans money, and uses it to further their peaceful goal of lobbing candy filled rockets into Israel. Sitting by and watching the Iranian regime develop a device such as a WMD would be one of histories serious blunders. Knowing full well what Iran has been capable of and is willing to do with something like that is just asking for serious trouble in the future, for that region and the world.

  • Posted By: daviddepot867 @ 08/05/2008 1:55:20 AM

    Comment: Dear Sir or Madam..

    You asking why Israel wont change :) Thanks you that good question...
    Here you go Sir:
    If you have Focus sharp quickly I would like remind you President Iran I was in USA what He say.
    Please can I closed my Book now ? Do you let me closed my Book ?
    If you smart you know what He mean...
    Example: I live In US some time my DSL running slow when I send email to Israel I think Hard drive ready get Burn..

    The War you need to win.. Must be respect , Respect religion dont try smart we win with Professonal . Basic technic ..
    If you dont have Focus that done deal
    Sincerely

    Mua V Nguyen

  • Posted By: mouselion @ 08/04/2008 9:40:25 PM

    Comment: There is some very bigoted discussion going on in this thread.
    We are all brothers and sisters. Mostly, Arabs are good people, Israelis are good people.
    Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and atheists all deserve respect and dignity.
    Give up your hatred. It doesn't help you or anybody else.
    When you hate, you are spinning your wheels. When you respect, you take yourself and everybody else forward.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 5:59:29 PM

      Comment: Mouselion: It isn't about hate, its about preserving your rights that someone id attempting to take away. Love, peace & respect are all fine, good things, but what does a peace loving, respectable people do when those who do not share those attributes decide to challenge you for no reason except that they feel they can take away the lifestyle you enjoy? What would you do if someone invaded your home, threating your family and taking your property that you had worked so hard for---tell them how much you love & respect them, and ask that they leave peacefully? Thats lovely in theory, but its not reality unless everyone feels the same, and that ain't gonna happen in this life. This is planet Earth--not Utopia. The Hippies thought they had the answer by holding hands around a campfire, singing Kum Ba Ya, but the hippie era, like the dinosaur era is extinc, but unlike the dinosaurs, we can't use the hippies to produce fuel.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 08/03/2008 4:48:04 AM

    Comment: It is interesting thing to read about the willingness of Israel to discuss something serious on the future of Israel with Obama because he is not even from the Aryan stock. Obama has no standing in the eyes of Israel. I do not believe that much was discussed between Obama and Olmert on matters directly related to the security of Israel but rather on the possible strong support that Isreal can give to ensure Obama is elected president.

    It is in the best interest of Israel to have someone in the White House who is a true puppet of Israel. Having Obama in the White House would be easier for Israel both in terms of election contribution, campaign efforts, influence or control the US policies and actions rather than having McCain who has his "own people" for backing and reference thus not easily influenced by Israel.

    This is the first homage that any aspiring US presidential candidate must do - visit Israel and swear to them that the US will give undivided support to Israel in all circumstances. The ultimate homage will be to address the Congress of Jewish Lobby in New York just before the real election and swear the same.

    • Posted By: lalahakbar @ 08/03/2008 3:50:12 PM

      Comment: Nawawimohamad, your conspiratorial rant only lacked the following three "facts":
      1. Jews control the U.S. media
      2. Jews control Federal Reserve bank
      3. The Holocaust was fiction.
      Did I miss any?

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/03/2008 10:08:27 PM

        Comment: Your forgot how arabs are incompetent boobs that had a chance of becoming a super power of some sort during history but were to stupid to achieve that goal..How could the arab world which was so numerous and powerful at one point in time get so stupid so fast as not to be able to compete on the world stage...They just remain ignorant to how the world works...Oh well stay dumb thats what they are good at...Dirt farming and opium harvesting...Sound like they are doing great compared to Israel... So Israel picked up where the arab incompetents left off...Sorry but the arab world sucks ass...Everyone with a brain that is at least working at half capasity knows that the holocaust happened..Only those that are supremly stupid, or skinheads on drugs believe otherwise...Judging by your rhetoric you must be one of those arabs still sour over you ancestors stupid decesions that left you angry and poor...Tough

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/05/2008 4:06:37 PM

          Comment: Observer101, you need to hit the history books. Your racist explanation for problems in the Arab world fails on every point. Opium harvesting? Where in the ARAB world do you imagine opium poppies are grown? Do you think Afghanistan is an ARAB country?

          If failure to become a "super power" is an indication of failure, then the overwhelming majority of the world's people have been failures, now and at every point in history. MOST of the world's population, at all times in history, have lived somewhere OTHER than in the nation (or tribe) that, at that point in time, was the most powerful (or even ONE of the most powerful). For example, two centuries ago, when last there was a single dominant power on the globe (the British Empire), most people on the planet weren't British. When the Romans were the top dogs, most people were not Romans. The United States is the most powerful nation now, but guess what? Upwards of 90% of the people in the world are not citizens of the United States. The factors that place a nation in power are many...and the particular race or ethnicity of that nation has very little to do with it.

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/05/2008 8:10:40 PM

            Comment: I guess you were the only one unaware of Afghanistans opium growing operations..I guess you figure its desert and nothing can possibly be grown there...Pssst let me let you in a on little secret...Its the Talibans main export..And I am well aware of the history of a "super power"...My point is they will never and have never achieved anything along the lines of, as you put it the British empire, or Romes history because of their constant infighting and tribal conflicts...Hell they cant even fight for their common goal of ridding Afghanistan of the "occupiers" because of their constant need to fight themselves...And I refer to "Arab" in general...Im not going to type every ethnic group that hates Israel..I assumed ppl would get the point..Obviously not.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/03/2008 12:14:42 PM

      Comment: Sure thats how it works..*rolling eyes*

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/02/2008 10:51:52 PM

    Comment: they don't like Obama because he's a "Muslim" and that's laughable, the word MUSLIM has simply taken the place of another word that is no longer acceptable to the public, not that it ever really was, but for a time, the time of this ONE group of OLDER WHITE MEN, you could use that other word and hate for the color of skin...

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 1:13:34 AM

      Comment: Most people in America do not give a rat's fat ass about the color of our leader--if they are male, female, black, white, blue or poka dotted, but we do care about their politics, and that is what we base our vote on. The color card is used by liberals in an attempt to discredit intelligent thinkers. Now that we have that cleared up, what is your next whine?

    • Posted By: Slave of The Subduer @ 08/07/2008 11:22:46 AM

      Comment: Just say it!!! They don't like him because he is black or the "N" word. So they use the "M" word instead.
      But most of us have already figured this out.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:49:13 PM

        Comment: Re:Starjones:

        I have no whine, just pointed out an uncomfortable truth, don't like it, CHANGE IT! that was a small part of my orignal post, look it up you'll find it...and look at the polls, which group does NOT support Obama, and how many Americans CLAIM to believe he is Muslim...mrorn I don't make up the polls I'm just point out the obvious, unless you're in denial.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/02/2008 9:42:03 PM

    Comment: Who gives a sh*t who owned Israel 1300 years ago? The fact is that they are there now..Why dont you ppl that are complaining about land rights "give" Indians back their rightful land if you are to use the "whos land it was before" story! Im pretty sure you wont be handing it back because its "yours"...If the Israelis didnt exist and werent there now the Palestinians would be fighting amoungst themselves as they are right this minute...As for the canadian commenter: Who cares what Obamas name is, Im not voting for him because of his name, Im NOT voting for him because of his inexperience.

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/02/2008 9:31:24 PM

    Comment: As has been proven the "Educated" support Obama, the people you refer to, like fake canadians and bush supporters support mccain ;)

  • Posted By: daplane @ 08/02/2008 5:10:55 PM

    Comment: To Add to TheVigil's comment I would like to point out that the talk of the lack of what is termed "modern state" in Palestine negates the Muslim conquests that happened 1300 some years ago. Ask yourself how did the 3rd Muslim holy site happen to be the Masjid Al-Aqsa in Palestine? This is 100% proof that Muslims were there for a long time, and that this notion of a lack of a state is simply to degrade the foe so that sympathy towards the foe is negated. And that is exactly what Israel wants.

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/02/2008 4:56:23 PM

    Comment: John McCain could'nt attract a crowd of 200,000 if he covered himself in SH!T and counted the flies...ROFLMAO!!!! - My Mom wrote that one, way to go Mom ;) Gotta love it!

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 4:18:10 PM

      Comment: Mr. John McCain attracts people of intelligence. If you're looking for a president who attracts bimbos, then elect a Paris Hilton type, and no offense to your mom, glad she gave you a laugh, as she appears to be an authority on *** & flies.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:55:40 PM

        Comment: No mccain has people of intelligence thrown in jail for showing up at his meetings, the rst are sheep, carefully selected sheep. Oh yeah and what about banning a BLACK REPORTER recently from one of his TOWN HALL meetings? the OONLY BLACK GUY THERE WAS ASKED TO LEAVE...whoops.

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/12/2008 3:56:33 PM

          Comment: Obama aides asked Muslims in the front row to remove their head scarves as not to ruin his shot and give the "wrong" impression while talking at a rally. Once that got out he quickly apologized...Thats okay by you though huh?

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/02/2008 10:05:29 PM

      Comment: Sure he could attract a crowd that big...Just play the Obama scam, Ditch your wounded soldiers and step into a concert in between sets..And spout your message.Get your photo op and leave...But he doesnt play that way...And besides Obamaboobites would cry foul if that was done by a repub candidate...Let Obama have his fun...when it gets close to time for elections he will falter big time..His Rev. "friends" will botch something for him just in the nick of time..Or his racist wife will say something really stupid as she already has.(hence the reason shes not in the spotlight)

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/03/2008 4:40:35 AM

        Comment: Which wounded soldiers did he ditch, the ones he and the General visited in Afghanistan, ot the ones they visited in Iraq, or was it the ones in Germany John McCain "ditched" in March of 08 when HE was in Gremany...? Can you tell me was it ones John McCain NOT only ditched but because of choices McCain made on siding with bush, is in great part responsible for them being there...those guys?

        NEXT TALKING POINT PLEASE...know ALL the facts before you spout FOX NOISE here 101.

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/10/2008 11:22:55 AM

          Comment: Wow..Where to start?...First John McCain has been in Iraq visiting troops well before the election and primaries started on numerous occassions.....He didnt have that much publicity about it...Obama goes because McCain and ppl were starting to point out the fact he has never went...So basically it was a PR stunt...with his entourage, and reporters glorifying his every move...Now that you are back on earth and I caught you up on the latest you should feel better.

        • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/03/2008 4:52:52 AM

          Comment: And this REV you spek of would that be Hagee, the one McCain begged for an indorcement from, Hagee who claimed the Katrina was the fault of Homosexuals, and that Hitler was doing "GOD's WORK."I ahve to admit "racist" wife that's a new one, thought I believe you mis-state it, she has been called anti-American, now if you believe that only WHITES are Americans then I understand your statement, but if you don't think that way, she was quoted as saying "I have never been proud of my country"...oh yeah, what about CONTEXT!? Because she said it in reference to overall voter turnout inhte past and then now, which is a TRUE statement. We have this ability, freedom and responsibility to deside our future by voting and people in the recent past just desided to shirk it, does that make you proud, to let the world see how we treat our "Demoracy" and our "Freedom"so carelessly? Not me...

          You see that's called context...

          I've got one for you, this applies to both context and to "guilt by association" (rev issue) There is a bill being put before the House in AZ, it is a Anti-Affirmative Action. This bill is backed HEAVILY by the KKK. When asked just lastr weekend if "he" supported the bill, John McCain not once but twice said he did...now did John McCain just aline himself with the KKK? sure sounds like it...see how that worls, be careful what you ask for as you just might get it ;)

          • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/10/2008 11:42:19 AM

            Comment: Ok... i will be careful..Thats funny you point out KKK as an excuse for not voting McCain or to assume he is evil...I think if it were between the KKK or some Idiot that spouts off that America is evil, and started AIDS to annihilate blacks, HHHMMMM, Id choose the right bill... Obama sat and listened to the "good Rev" and Obama agreed with the crap he was spouting off. Wright has every right to say what he wants at the podium...But Obama cant play stupid at the last minute and deny his Rev. because it doesnt look good for him politically..Whats he going to deny next? If he gets elected he will deny what got him elected for the sake of appeasing the Washington powers that be?...In turn he wont 'CHANGE" anything . ..Im sure there are plenty of bills that Obama wants to back that the KKK or some other unfavorable group backs...Doesnt mean he supports THEM...Id vote McCain...Im voting for experience of someone who has a history of disagreeing with the powers that be in Washington, Im not voting for someone thats running off of media powered stardom..;)

            • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 10:00:17 PM

              Comment: Disagreeing? 90% opf teh time mccain voted with bush...his record of experience, nothing I made up all mccain. like his attendance absent more than 61% of the time and of the last 14 votes on Iraq only there for 4 of them, and 2 of those voted against the TROOPS. what a heero, what a patriot, what experience?

            • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:57:58 PM

              Comment: Oh so now we're back to talking point #13? Rev Wright and 20yrs in church...making Obama guilty of Rev Wrights freedom of speech?

              Are all catholics pedophiles? Think about your guilt by association mentality, are all catholics pedophiles?

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/02/2008 4:10:18 PM

    Comment: John McCain could'nt attract a crowd of 200,000 if he covered himself in SH!T and counted the flies...ROFLMAO!!!! - My Mom wrote that one, way to go Mom ;) Gotta love it!

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/10/2008 11:43:00 AM

      Comment: Does she dress you too?

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 10:02:16 PM

        Comment: Awe is my mom smarter than you test tbue, you f@#king bush clone? Now we canm avoid yo momma joke if you like, or I'll make you wish your momma was long since passed, verbally (well in print anyway). It's a great Joke, try scraping the sand from your vaaag, and have a laugh ;)

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/11/2008 9:40:59 PM

          Comment: ;) now if you just made sense youd probably be funny...Pretending you are George Carlin or any other swearing comedian doesnt suite your ignorant act and insult their profession ...Momma may have told you that your funny, but I can assure you that you arent...Maybe a Dem/Lib trait...Thinking you are something your not. Try having her write you some GOOD material. Ill be looking forward to your silly display of stupid...;)

  • Posted By: treyton @ 08/02/2008 11:41:47 AM

    Comment: Israel is a Jewish State, not a democracy, Israel has a policy of Jim Crow regarding the Palestinians. no different than Apartheid in South Africa. Israels dream come true is McCain as Presidentt. A warmonger who does not believe in diplomacy, a warmonger who would leave our troops in Iraq for a century, a warmonger who sings about bombing Iran, another warmonger easily manipulated by Israel to send our troops to fight another war for the sake of the Jewish State. Israel has been pimping the US, it's leaders and it's military for 60 years so, a McCain Presidency would almost be as good as electing Netanyahu himself to the Presidency.
    Israel does not possess the air strike capability of the US (no nation does) to hit Iran and be 100% sure that it's completely knocked it's program back. Besides, Iran going nuclear is inevitable, sooner or later they will possess at least the ability to construct these weapons. Israel, by it's very definition, is a racist state, Israel, by it's actions, is a criminally racist state, this is obvious. If the Palestinians were white people instead of faceless, anonymous Arabs, the US blind support of Israel would be negated. However, they are not, nothing in Israel will ever change, the only hope for change is to force Israel to the table to actually engage in diplomacy, a term foreign to this state. And the only thing that can do that is Iran going nuclear, so I pray that Iran obtains nukes, nuclear wepaons, when dealing with a criminally racist and oppressive state such as Israel has become is absolutely neccessary to the peace process.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/02/2008 9:56:50 PM

      Comment: Your racist *** has no real idea why you hate Israel...Political? Religion? Bad upbringing?...You just follow the self righteous ignorant crowd...And I agree with you on one point, I hope Iran continues it nuclear ambitions to so that Israel does go into Iran and bomb their facilities..Then we would be drawn into a war that Israel started...And you know full well we will be drawn into that war...maybe we can be drafted (fine by me) into fighting with Israel..Or are you going to be a draft dodger like Clinton?..You can always defect to Iran and fight with Hamas for the cause of (ahem)good..Better start brushing up on your Koran and get fitted for your bomb vest.

      • Posted By: treyton @ 08/05/2008 10:07:56 PM

        Comment: I don't have to get drafted observer101...I am currently in the IS Navy you freaking idiot. Pearl Harbor, COMASWFORPAC...that is Commader Anti-Sub Warfare Forces Pacific. So maybe you get drafted coward, but that is the only way you would fight, I'm already there you lowlife Zionist. I Why don't you just move to Israel and join the IDF so you can beat up some Muslims woman.....Big Man with Big Words, all talk abd bluster...typical warmongering conservative, Israel loving coward.

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/10/2008 11:53:31 AM

          Comment: I am well aware what that acronym means...The Navy has always took in the losers that couldnt make it in any other branch..They dont care about Low ASFAB scoring ...Or was it you just werent fit to join the Marines or Army?..Either way its probably good that the military isnt filled with your ideals or under-educated ppl such as yourself much anymore..Just because you were in the military doesnt make you any less of a racist. As you so proudly displayed...Thanks for serving!..:)

      • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/05/2008 4:18:55 PM

        Comment: Treyton is right. Israel is a racist state. If you are Jewish, even if your ancestors haven't lived in the Levant for centuries...or even if they NEVER lived in the Levant, as may the case for the descendants of people who converted to Judaism... the Israeli government recognizes your "right" to emigrate to Israel and live there. But if you are an Arab, even if your ancestors lived in the Levant continuously for the last millennium, even if you were born there yourself, but were driven out (say, in 1947-48, or in 1967), the Israeli government will not permit you to return to your own birthplace. Israel is an apartheid state.

        It isn't a true democracy. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs were victims of Zionist ethnic cleansing during 1947-48. Many thousands more have been deported since. Their property was exporpriated, and they were forbidden to return. It isn't democracy if you drive out the majority of the population by force and fear and THEN hold a vote among the people who remain.

    • Posted By: woohoo @ 08/02/2008 2:18:42 PM

      Comment: "Israel has been pimping the US, it's leaders and it's military for 60 years so, a McCain Presidency would almost be as good as electing Netanyahu himself to the Presidency. "

      totally agree

  • Posted By: radiantenergies @ 08/02/2008 9:43:59 AM

    Comment: Controls and high tech nuclear power plants can transform not only Iran, but all the middle east.
    McCain supports building +/- 170 nuclear power plants in the U.S. and China has developed nuclear pebbles that do not melt down. France used nuclear power for 80% of their electricity and recycles in Normandy. It is a matter of security over all nuclear materials, Iran included. Iran has plenty of weapons of mass destruction and complete chaos in the middle east would ensue if Israel or the U.S. attacked.
    The price of gas in the U.S. would go through the roof too. The Iranian problem right now must be solved diplomatically, and strict controls and inspections over the entire nuclear energy program in Iran solves this potential nuclear bomb issue, especially considering that Iran has stated it has no intent to build bombs.
    It is all about control over all nuclear materials and nuclear power facilities, wherever they exist.

  • Posted By: Jack Prentiss @ 08/02/2008 7:47:56 AM

    Comment: I've always felt that the anti-war Progressives who support Obama were going to be in for an ugly surprise if their man ever got in the White House. Barack Obama's most important backer is George Soros, and even though Soros supported Muslims in their terroristic jihad against Serbia, he is of the Jewish descent and thus is never going to support the Iranians in their efforts to challenge Israel for regional dominance.

    Thus for Obama to back down against the Iranians, he'd have to go against his most important backer, and I doubt he has anything resembling the personal courage required to do that.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 1:20:05 AM

      Comment: Anyone dumb enough to vote for Obama will get exactly what they deserve, but, unfortunately, the rest of us will have to suffer along with them. I don't hate the man, but I completely disagree with him politically.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/11/2008 9:44:08 PM

        Comment: Im not voting dumb!..lol

  • Posted By: cferns1530 @ 08/02/2008 7:17:26 AM

    Comment: Obama talks of change alot but if elected, i want to see how he differs in his foreign policy approach, especially towards Iran and the Israeli -Palestine issue. He's already declared his support for AIPAC as any american political candidate should when running, so let's see how different he stands from George.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 4:43:42 PM

      Comment: "Change"---an interesting word, isn't it? But Obama has never made it clear exactly what kind of change he has in mind, which leaves it open for speculation... Quite frankly, take a look at America's record for over 200 years, and you will see it has done just fine, so what needs changing? If something isn't broke, why fix it? Sure, we've had our share of problems, made our share of mistakes, but we've, also, managed to fix them without any help from outsiders, and moved on. We were the youngest nation on the planet, yet we became the most powerful within a few tears, relatively speaking, and have been put in a position of having to defend our freedom ever since, even to the point of some plastic Americans who feel they have to apologize for being free, for our lifestyle. Other countries had millenniums to accomplish what we did, yet did not. Yes, yes, I am aware that Rome, Egypt, ect. were powerful empires for awhile and still hold a strong place in their own right, so does many countries, but they are not expected to "apologize" for the lifestyle they enjoy, and neither are we. I will never dis-honor our forefathers legacy to us. If anyone has a problem with our free lifestyle and the fact we love it, then all i have to say to you, is move out of our way, or get trampled by our dancing feet! As for you plastic Americans, I have no respect for you, unless you do one of two things--either get your heart into America, or get your ass out of it!

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:36:13 AM

    Comment: I made some comments below that might seem anti-Israel...and I apologize.

    There are good people in Israel and bad, and good people in Palestine and bad as well. The trick to helping solve this problem, I think, is more economic than military.

    Israel has the greater economic development, and the power hand here. And it is true that before Israel, the Palestinians were living feudally - just working the land to survive. But there's a thought that keeps nagging at my mind here, and that is that if the Palestinians could get education, food, and jobs if they laid down the Intifada, a lot of them who are tired of the suffering would probably do it.

    The trick is to give the Palestinians something to live for - not something to die for.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/05/2008 4:36:21 PM

      Comment: Vigil is quite right about the social organization of the Palestinians before Israel was established....but a point of history: the Palestinians had no independent nation. They were subject to the governance of others for centuries...the Ottoman Turks, then the British. Britain promised, in accepting the Mandate (first of the League of Nations, later of the United Nations), to grant the indigenous people of the Levant independence, but reneged on their promise for political reasons of their own, facilitated the immigration of thousands of European Jews (to whom the British had made a conflicting promise), violently suppressed the Arab uprisings that their policy fomented, and then simply washed their hands of the whole matter and walked away (in the last months of 1947). If Britain had HONORED their promise to the people of Palestine, and granted them their independence, its virtually certain that Palestinian society would have developed and evolved beyond feudalism...its a mistake to blame the Palestinians' previous condition on the Palestinian people, while they were subject to the rule of others.

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/01/2008 10:21:11 PM

    Comment: You will also notice that CornholyO almost always stars or closes a post with it's coming, or it's about to happen...Kinda like the guy down town holding the sigh that says "THE END IS NEAR, Repent, Repent!"

    Now in the case of repug rule..yes THE END IS HEAR!!!

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/01/2008 10:18:51 PM

    Comment: Ot OH! CornHolyO I found you, busted ;)

    FYI for those posting on this thread CornHolyO is employed by a MR LArry Sinclair as a personal Oilboy, he applies oil to the hair covered back of Mr. Sinclair and in his off hours comes here and spreads nothing but lies and dis-information, Always happy to see you CornHolyO...here's a joke for you and Larry.

    John McCain, after having the "MOLE" removed from his face asked the doctor if he could keep it. When the doctor asked why, McCain replied "becuase after this campiagn, it will be the only face I can save."

    LOL

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/01/2008 9:35:50 PM

    Comment: Many of you remember this....I discussed Hussein's Christian massacring cousin, in Kenya FOR WEEKS...All the obamamohammeds, tried to downplay it, ridicule facts, and discredit it. WELL, WELLl, WELL ...seems a NEW#1 BESTSELLER is on the stands. Obama Nation...by..Dr. Jerome Corsi Ph.D(remember the swiftboats???... Here is what Dr. Corsi says............................

    Dr. Jerome Corsi told Sean Hannity yesterday that he has tapes of Barack Obama campaigning for his COUSIN, Raila Odinga, in Kenya back in 2006.

    Odinga's trying to overthrow the US-backed government of democratically-elected President Mwai Kibaki, so he can institute sharia law (fundamentalist merging of religion and state) in Kenya.

    Obama campaigned for Odinga as a sitting United States Senator, where he spoke in front of crowds with his cousin Odinga:

    There's a natural train of logic here that could be very damaging for Obama in the general election if Corsi actually does possess footage of Obama's Kenyan campaign tour:

    (1) Odinga's supporters are determined to overthrow the Kenyan government, so his campaign appearances would address that as his chief goal.

    (2) By nature of wanting to overthrow the Kenyan government, Odinga's supporters are anti-American, since the Kenyan government is US-backed (and at least partially reliant on the US for stability).

    (3) A successful campaign by Odinga would mean making anti-American statements, coupled with anti-Kenyan government statements, at campaign stops to rev up his followers.

    (4) Obama appeared at campaign rallies with Odinga in Kenya, for Odinga's followers.

    (5) Obama has a proven track record of telling people exactly what they want to hear (see: San Francisco liberals re: bitter, gun-clinging Midwesterners; Ohio voters re: NAFTA; the Canadian government re: NAFTA; the liberal netroots re: FISA, campaign finance reform, you name it).

    You know where this is going.

    If Obama's audience wanted to hear anti-American remarks, and Odinga always obliged these people, then Obama, with Odinga, at a campaign rally like this, as a sitting US Senator, well, fill in the blank. Or, go read Corsi's book. Or, just wait for the tapes.

    Should be interesting. BUT WHAT THE HECK....They were only Christians...RIGHT???

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/02/2008 1:13:34 AM

      Comment: You know, I???ve seen you post this drivel before and ignored it because it does not have much to do with our elections. Your assertions to the contrary there is no evidence that Odinga is related to Obama, and even if he was maybe a fifth cousin, who cares? But frankly, you are so full of bull it must be seeping out your ears. Your knowledge of the recent Kenya election would not fill a thimble.

      Kibaki is not America???s man in Kenya. While the United States has an interest in a stable Kenya, it has no particular interest in who is president. When the election fell apart, Bush was one of the first to call for power-sharing between Odinga and Kibaki because none of the international observers at the election headquarters could say with any certainty who had actually won.

      Odinga is the current prime minister ??? part of a power-sharing deal brokered by Condi Rice, Gordon Brown and mostly UN General Secretary Kofi Annan. With Annan???s help, President Kibaki and PM Odinga managed to divvy up the positions in parliament even enough to make both their tribes, if not happy, at least content, although it remains to be seen if Kenya can support such a large government.

      There were gross irregularities on both sides, brought about by tribal differences because the Kikiyu, Kibaki???s tribe and the largest in Kenya, has held all positions of power since Kenya gained independence. There is a lot of pent up resentment against the tribe. There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious of the election (from BBC News):
      1. The results were delayed for more than a day, at a time when ODM candidate Raila Odinga was leading
      2. Many thousands of people seem to have only voted in the presidential election but not the parliamentary or local polls held at the same time
      3. In the parliamentary race, Mr Odinga's ODM won twice as many seats as Mr Kibaki's Party of National Unity (PNU)
      4. Results in some constituencies were different when announced nationally from results announced locally.
      5. The head of the election commission has admitted that turnout in one constituency was 115%.

      According to the official results, Mr Kibaki won with a tiny margin of 230,000 votes out of a total cast of some 10 million. This means that the alleged malpractices could easily have changed the outcome.
      As part of the agreement, the Kenyan constitution is supposed to be revised by early next year. Kibaki cannot run again because of term limits. It is probable that Odinga will be elected president in the next election, unless there is something in the new constitution that would create a stumbling block. Thus, there is little incentive to mount a coup.

      Odinga visited the United States on June 18 and was welcomed at the State Department by Sec. Rice. Far from being anti-American, Odinga expressed his gratitude to the United States for helping Kenya through its crisis. The opening remarks between Sec. Rice and PM Odinga are in the next frame.

      • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/02/2008 1:26:06 AM

        Comment: Prime Minister Odinga met witih Sec. Rice at the U.S. State Dept. on JUNE 18, 2008. Prior to their meeting they offered brief remarks to the press, listed below. Funny, but Odinga does not sound like the big scary wide-eyed radical that HolyRoller would like him to be. He sounds pretty much like the typical prime minister, one who will probably be elected president in the nect election. BTW, he is a Social Democrat, not a socialist (that was his father), and he practices the Anglican (Episcopalian) religion (most Kenyans are Christian). Although he promised to end government persecution of Muslims, he certainly never considered installing sharia. Why would he? He's not even Muslim!

        SECRETARY RICE: I???d like to welcome the Prime Minister of Kenya, Prime Minister Odinga. It is very good to have you here. I believe that your election as prime minister shows that the Kenyan people have come through difficult times, but it was really the strength of Kenyan democracy, Kenyan civil society, and the will of Kenya???s leaders to resolve the crisis that brings us to this moment. I am looking forward to an update on how you???re doing on the reforms that have been agreed. But Kenya has a good friend in the United States, and the United States believes that it has a good friend in Kenya. So, welcome.

        PRIME MINISTER ODINGA: Thank you so much, Condi. I???m very happy to be back here in Washington, this time as Prime Minister. I said yesterday, we are very grateful to the U.S. for the support that we received in our hour of need during the crisis. You personally came to Nairobi and I want to confirm here that your personal role in this process made it possible for us to achieve the understanding. This role played also by the UN, by the European Union, and other friends of Kenya.

        As you know, peace has returned back to Kenya. We have come here to say that Kenya is up and moving again; we are ready for business. That???s why we are actively appealing to the friends of Kenya to come back. We are appealing to the business to come and invest in Kenya, tourists to come back to Kenya, because it is now safe again. And we want the world to see that we want to move this forward. This is an experiment (inaudible) the first time in Africa. It???s a pioneering exercise, but we want to show that it can work. And that???s why the team are coming here. It???s a mixed team, both sides of the coalition with me here and the Minister for Defense, and also the Minister for Transport and Assistant Minister for Trade. So I???m very happy to be in D.C. again.

        SECRETARY RICE: Well, you and the President did a fine job to get Kenya back on the road again, and welcome, Raila. Good to have you here.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:29:22 AM

      Comment: (sound of crickets)

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/01/2008 7:43:17 PM

    Comment: as Senator McCain announced in his parody of the Beach Boys......

    Bomb Bomb Bomb. Bomb Bomb Iran...........................it will happen before the fall.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 08/02/2008 12:05:49 PM

      Comment: More comments from another cracker who couldn't find his behind with both hands in the dark.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 08/09/2008 12:47:47 AM

        Comment: tc125231: You sound like a flower---a blooming idiot!

        • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/11/2008 9:45:23 PM

          Comment: No he plants tulips...ON OBAMAS ASS!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 1:17:33 AM

      Comment: ...WWJD?

  • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 08/01/2008 4:42:30 PM

    Comment: On the first day, man created God.

    I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

    A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.

    Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.

    ???There are no atheists in foxholes??? isn???t an argument against atheism, it???s an argument against foxholes.

    Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions.

    When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/09/2008 12:34:59 AM

      Comment: Man would never create God, even if they could, man is much too self-absorbed, and egotistical to ever feel the need for a power greater than themselves. But, when humans feel they can create life, they had better remember to get their own dirt.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/08/2008 1:32:40 AM

      Comment: I heard someone say they did not believe in God because they had never seen him, I asked if they had ever seen the wind, or the air they breathe, but there is evidence of the wind when you see it blow the branches of a tree, and there is certainly evidence of air everytime you draw in a breath. I've never seen China either, yet I believe it exsist. Their reply wa