I think the world is fed up of Israel's standards
Inside Obama's meeting with Netanyahu.
I think the world is fed up of Israel's standards
I noted that Pat Robertson (The 700 Club) has predicted that Israel would attach Iran after the US election and before the new President is sworn in. I DO KNOW that trusting Obama to support Israel is an act of stupidity. Obama spent 24 years supporting a church that IS anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli, pro-Hamas, and pro-Terrorist (...supported the Sandanistas). DO NOT rely on an Obama administration to support Israel. No accommodation with the Palestinians will be successful. Trust in God, and the promises he has given Israel; you have recalled from the diaspora by him, and NO NATION and no combination of nations on earth will ever defeat you again. Make NO TREATY with the Palestinians; give not one iota of the land God has given Israel to those terrorists.
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as Senator McCain announced in his parody of the Beach Boys......
Bomb Bomb Bomb. Bomb Bomb Iran...........................it will happen before the fall.
NOBAMA!!!
More comments from another cracker who couldn't find his behind with both hands in the dark.
tc125231: You sound like a flower---a blooming idiot!
No he plants tulips...ON OBAMAS ASS!
...WWJD?
I've always felt that the anti-war Progressives who support Obama were going to be in for an ugly surprise if their man ever got in the White House. Barack Obama's most important backer is George Soros, and even though Soros supported Muslims in their terroristic jihad against Serbia, he is of the Jewish descent and thus is never going to support the Iranians in their efforts to challenge Israel for regional dominance.
Thus for Obama to back down against the Iranians, he'd have to go against his most important backer, and I doubt he has anything resembling the personal courage required to do that.
Anyone dumb enough to vote for Obama will get exactly what they deserve, but, unfortunately, the rest of us will have to suffer along with them. I don't hate the man, but I completely disagree with him politically.
Im not voting dumb!..lol
The best way to satisfy Israel's demands for security are to deploy US forces in Isreal as a guarntee against nuclear attack by Iran. They would also help to ensure that "security" can no longer be used as an excuse by the right wing settler lobby to derail a comprehensive peace agreement with the Palestinians.
Israel is a Jewish State, not a democracy, Israel has a policy of Jim Crow regarding the Palestinians. no different than Apartheid in South Africa. Israels dream come true is McCain as Presidentt. A warmonger who does not believe in diplomacy, a warmonger who would leave our troops in Iraq for a century, a warmonger who sings about bombing Iran, another warmonger easily manipulated by Israel to send our troops to fight another war for the sake of the Jewish State. Israel has been pimping the US, it's leaders and it's military for 60 years so, a McCain Presidency would almost be as good as electing Netanyahu himself to the Presidency.
Israel does not possess the air strike capability of the US (no nation does) to hit Iran and be 100% sure that it's completely knocked it's program back. Besides, Iran going nuclear is inevitable, sooner or later they will possess at least the ability to construct these weapons. Israel, by it's very definition, is a racist state, Israel, by it's actions, is a criminally racist state, this is obvious. If the Palestinians were white people instead of faceless, anonymous Arabs, the US blind support of Israel would be negated. However, they are not, nothing in Israel will ever change, the only hope for change is to force Israel to the table to actually engage in diplomacy, a term foreign to this state. And the only thing that can do that is Iran going nuclear, so I pray that Iran obtains nukes, nuclear wepaons, when dealing with a criminally racist and oppressive state such as Israel has become is absolutely neccessary to the peace process.
Your racist *** has no real idea why you hate Israel...Political? Religion? Bad upbringing?...You just follow the self righteous ignorant crowd...And I agree with you on one point, I hope Iran continues it nuclear ambitions to so that Israel does go into Iran and bomb their facilities..Then we would be drawn into a war that Israel started...And you know full well we will be drawn into that war...maybe we can be drafted (fine by me) into fighting with Israel..Or are you going to be a draft dodger like Clinton?..You can always defect to Iran and fight with Hamas for the cause of (ahem)good..Better start brushing up on your Koran and get fitted for your bomb vest.
I don't have to get drafted observer101...I am currently in the IS Navy you freaking idiot. Pearl Harbor, COMASWFORPAC...that is Commader Anti-Sub Warfare Forces Pacific. So maybe you get drafted coward, but that is the only way you would fight, I'm already there you lowlife Zionist. I Why don't you just move to Israel and join the IDF so you can beat up some Muslims woman.....Big Man with Big Words, all talk abd bluster...typical warmongering conservative, Israel loving coward.
I am well aware what that acronym means...The Navy has always took in the losers that couldnt make it in any other branch..They dont care about Low ASFAB scoring ...Or was it you just werent fit to join the Marines or Army?..Either way its probably good that the military isnt filled with your ideals or under-educated ppl such as yourself much anymore..Just because you were in the military doesnt make you any less of a racist. As you so proudly displayed...Thanks for serving!..:)
Treyton is right. Israel is a racist state. If you are Jewish, even if your ancestors haven't lived in the Levant for centuries...or even if they NEVER lived in the Levant, as may the case for the descendants of people who converted to Judaism... the Israeli government recognizes your "right" to emigrate to Israel and live there. But if you are an Arab, even if your ancestors lived in the Levant continuously for the last millennium, even if you were born there yourself, but were driven out (say, in 1947-48, or in 1967), the Israeli government will not permit you to return to your own birthplace. Israel is an apartheid state.
It isn't a true democracy. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs were victims of Zionist ethnic cleansing during 1947-48. Many thousands more have been deported since. Their property was exporpriated, and they were forbidden to return. It isn't democracy if you drive out the majority of the population by force and fear and THEN hold a vote among the people who remain.
"Israel has been pimping the US, it's leaders and it's military for 60 years so, a McCain Presidency would almost be as good as electing Netanyahu himself to the Presidency. "
totally agree
No victory, no peace
know victory, know peace
No freedom, no peace
Know freedom, know peace
No Jesus, no peace
Know Jesus, know peace
I can understand that you have religious beliefs...I am sure that most of us have read most of the bible and respect it in some way...But you should maybe(just a suggestion) talk about the post at hand rather than give us sunday school lessons.
The angels made their choice millenniums ago, one third of them made the wrong choice, and now they are called demons, whose leader, Satan persuaded them to follow him, and they have been a plague on earth ever since. Now that he knows his time is getting short here, and soon he will be thrown into the pit, he is trying to get as many humans as will be dumb enough to listen to his lies, to take with him. Don't fight with me about it, I didn't write it, I am only repeating it. And I believe it. Jesus gave us signs to look for to know the end would be near, and all one needs to do is read the headlines or look at what is happening in our world today to see those signs taking place. However, only God, himself, knows the exact time it will happen. Its time we all took a long, hard look at our life and decide if its what we want our creator to see when he comes to call. Don't mean to get preachy, but just being a concerned citizen of the earth.
I have no response to that.
Why do Darfur's problems belong to Darfur but we make Israel's problems our own. What has Israel ever done for us? They oppress minorities within their country. They are not democratic. They have no strategic value. It is only because we feels some misguided connection over supposedly shared Judeo-Christian values which apparent include bombing other countries. We also feel guilty for not doing more to prevent their genocide which is ironically what we are now doing in Darfur by ignoring genocide. Thank you for being crass and precisely making my point for me.
what a load of lies!!! Irael IS the only true democracy in the middle east, Israeli arabs have all the rights the jews have and are represented in the KNESSET (Israeli parliament) and talking about strategic value...How about stopping the expansion of islamic fundamentalism?? Did 9/11 teach you anything? Did you not understand where the hate for the Western values is coming from? and having Israel counterbalance that hate is not a strategic value? if Israel goes, guess who is next moran
Horse-radish.
Lebanon's had a parliamentary democracy forever. It guarantees a certain amount of seats to *each* religious group in the country.
And personally, I see more hate coming out of Israel than anywhere else in the Middle East these days. Arabs don't hate Israel because of "Western values", not most of them - they hate Israel because Israel kicked 500,000 Palestinians off land they'd been living on for thousands of years, with military force, and currently occupy what little territory they have left, denying them basic rights like medical care. When the Gaza wall was breached last time, do you know what the Palestinians brought in? Not guns, not bombs - medicine for their sick and wounded.
The condescension in your voice is incredible. You need to learn that *all* people are worthwhile - not just those who share your "Western values".
Sorry - the above comment got me a little bit mad, and this is unfair to Israel.
Israel does good things and bad things, and there's plenty of hate coming out of the Arabic world as well. It's just that the hate coming out of Israel - and there is some, though there's a tremendous amount of good as well - is more frightening to me because Israel is thought to possess 200 nuclear weapons or more.
Of course, it's nothing compared to the hate that's been coming out of America, and we have more than 3,000 active MIRVed nuclear warheads...so perhaps I should just stop talking.
I still think the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian problem has to involve tolerance and compassion on *both* sides of the issue.
Don't worry about it, Vigil, it happens, getting angry is part of the human condition, but, at least, you are big enough to apologize when you feel you've offended someone--good for you!
Israel is in a state of Apartheid. If they are truly a democracy then let them tear down the walls they are building between Palestinian families and communities and have everyone live in one big democratic nation. Israel has created the equivalent of South Africa's system from the 1980's which everyone condemned but someone Israel is immune from criticism. How dare I speak out any opinion critical of the great state of Israel! Thou has rightly rebuked me.
Wow, Young Hickory, you really don't know much about Israel or the Middle East. If it were Israel's goal to kill all Palestinians , millions would be dead. (Do you even know the meaning of the word genocide? You might ask a Jew -- they know the meaning all too well.) In truth, Israel goes out of its way to minimize civilian casualties -- albeit not always successfully -- in fighting enemies that attack Israeli civilians from the midst of their own civilian populations. That's why it's so difficult for Israel to stop the missiles being shot into Sderot from Gaza by Hamas.
This is a pro-Israel comment I do agree with.
There's a lot of good in Israel and I do believe that if their goal was to kill the Palestinians - or all the Arabs - it would have happened already. They certainly have the military power for it, and they could have created a far worse atmosphere than they have in the West Bank/Gaza. There's no genocide being committed in the Middle East by Israelis.
But I would still like to see Israel offer an official apology for the Palestinian exodus - and start making humanitarian efforts towards the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. I can guarantee that if some of the rampant poverty were to stop - and if they could get things like medicine and proper housing to live in - a lot of the Intifada would start to cease. And I really wish that the more militant arm of Israel - and it is there - could be reined in.
Yitzhak Rabin's assassination was a tragedy for everyone across the board in the Middle East. He was one of the best kinds of Israeli moderates and was really leading things towards a real accord there when he was shot by a militant, hardcore right-wing Israeli. The world has been poorer for it since.
It might be a good idea for you to read up on the middle east or better yet even go there before you open up your outrageously stupid mouth.
Wow. Sounds like you sure told him.
Not one fact in your statement but a load of insults, sure makes me want to come over to your side...wait...no.
And personally, I agree with him. The Israel-U.S. relationship has been one of mutual exploitation, not alliance. They give us spots for military installations, we give them arms. I'd like to see it stop.
Is it just an accident that these comments don't jive with the article they are attached to?
Or is something, or someone, keeping us from discussing this important issue?
I just read 'Why Israel Won't Change' by Michael Hirsh, but the member comments reflect a McCain push for expanded drilling; Not the same article. What's up Newsweek? Who are you representing?
LOL, Dover, do they ever? But I hear you, buddy, and I agree, we should stick to the basic subject being offered. Human nature at work again, I guess...Hang in there, Dover, this discussion will, eventually, mention something concerning the subject matter.
On the first day, man created God.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.
Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.
???There are no atheists in foxholes??? isn???t an argument against atheism, it???s an argument against foxholes.
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions.
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.
Man would never create God, even if they could, man is much too self-absorbed, and egotistical to ever feel the need for a power greater than themselves. But, when humans feel they can create life, they had better remember to get their own dirt.
I heard someone say they did not believe in God because they had never seen him, I asked if they had ever seen the wind, or the air they breathe, but there is evidence of the wind when you see it blow the branches of a tree, and there is certainly evidence of air everytime you draw in a breath. I've never seen China either, yet I believe it exsist. Their reply was, there are books to tell us about China, to which I reminded them. there is also a book to tell us about God. So, if you will allow me to watch while you create a universe, then I may be sufficently impressed to listen to any other theories you may have.
McCleodMn you are precisely on point! I hope you don't mind if I cut and paste and adopt a few of your observations (I won't claim I originated them, but they are priceless...succinctly phrased, clear and with unassailable logic). You go!
Iran has land borders with Pakistan (nuclear weapons), Afghanistan (thousands of NATO troops),Turrkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey (NATO member), Iraq (thousand of American trops).
Within missile range are nuclera armed Israel, Russia and American bases in Kuwait and Bahrain. It is a very dangerous region. They have the same rights as any other state to kep nuclear weapons for their defense
Your right and crazy ppl have the right to bear arms...Felons are ppl to...They have the right to defend themselves from tazer toting, trigger happy cops..Sounds ridiculous?...So does allowing Iran to achieve their goal of "electricity"!
Doesn't america hold the record of dropping weapons of mass destruction. Other countries have them but they have not used them on other coutries except for some chemical weapons. So if america and isreal and china can have nuclear weapons ans nuclear power plants why can't Iran, or is this a personal grudge. Did a Iranian man do something bad to you when you were a little kid...ahhhh.
Only on those who try to destroy us, Slave, and we, also, hold the record for helping those who need help, and for being free to make our own choices about our life. We don't tell other countries what they can or can't have, we only ask that they behave responsibily, but we know from experience, that not all countries will, so we'd be less than responsible to ourselves and others if we did not monitor what is going on in those countries. We may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. There are rumors that some countries want to rule the world. Why?? What in the hell would they do with the world even if it were possible to obtain that kind of power? First of all, the world would not tolerate such control. Second, everyone dies eventually, even leaders, and they couldn't take the world with them. Third, they would have to answer to a much greater power once they leave this life. So, they need to ask themselves one question--is it worth it? To lose eternity for a few years to feed your ego? Wouldn't it be better to use the knowlege we have for a better purpose, to eliminate weapons designed to destroy ourselves? I believe prophesy is designed to tell us what will happen unless we change it by changing our very nature. I do not believe prophesy is engraved in stone. God gave us free choice, so we can, ultimately, choose our destiny. God knows human nature, and from the beginning, humans have, consistantly, made the wrong choices, so, unless we turn that around, yes, our destiny will be what prophesy says. Its in our hands, and, of course, God's. He wants us to do the right thing, and he will help if we ask. Its time to have a global prayer to be delivered from evil, and to ask help in doing God's will. Oh, yeah, before you remind me about all the various religions & beliefs, I am aware of that issue, but each of us, in our own way, in our own language, can ask for His help. He speaks every language. I'm un-realistic? Maybe. But just maybe this is really the only realistic answer left. Think! Use our heads for something more than holding our ears apart.
HaHaHa..-_- Are you a dropout or something? Are you serious? Unless you ditched history class...Reasoning for developing a WMD was......The U.S. was in a race to develop a wmd before Germany..We acheived that goal and dropped it in a time of war against Japan (Nagasaki/Hiroshima) to avoid an all out invasion/assault that would have cost more lives on both sides and prolonged the war..and it had its desired affect, thus ending WW2...Iran has NNNoOOO business acheiving such a goal...Radical elements, in Iran , will no doubt "accidentally" get there hands on such a device and would love to deliver it to the U.S...But by others on this posts frame of mind, Iran, wouldnt ever do anything to harm the U.S. or its interests...Looking back at Irans past they are right, Iran is soooo peaceful...They only support Hamas, a peace loving organization that enjoys Irans money, and uses it to further their peaceful goal of lobbing candy filled rockets into Israel. Sitting by and watching the Iranian regime develop a device such as a WMD would be one of histories serious blunders. Knowing full well what Iran has been capable of and is willing to do with something like that is just asking for serious trouble in the future, for that region and the world.
The Jews are God's chosen people, and don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not going to argue with God. They did not accept Jesus as the son of God, and the savior, because he did not arrive in a blaze of glory, with trumpets blaring, and a host of angels to destroy all the enemies of Israel. That will be his SECOND coming, but his first was as a baby, born under humble circumstances, so that was un-acceptable to the Jews of that era. If they knew anything at all about God, they should have known that he does thing his own way, and its always the best way. However, their attitude concerning God's way of sending his son is between them & God. We will fight on God's side, and, according to the scriptures, an enemy of Israel is an enemy of God, and a friend of Israel's is, also, God's friend. It is written that there will come a time when we need to make a choice as to which side we will fight on, and this is a war between good & evil, although it will be humans who will be involved in the war. As I stated, I don't argue with God or his way of doing things--at least not often, but sometimes I can get a bit testy, and he is patient with me like any parent whose child is behaving bratty, but once in awhile he finds it necessary to give me a little swat to remind me who is in charge. God Bless us all, and God help us all.
There is some very bigoted discussion going on in this thread.
We are all brothers and sisters. Mostly, Arabs are good people, Israelis are good people.
Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and atheists all deserve respect and dignity.
Give up your hatred. It doesn't help you or anybody else.
When you hate, you are spinning your wheels. When you respect, you take yourself and everybody else forward.
Mouselion: It isn't about hate, its about preserving your rights that someone id attempting to take away. Love, peace & respect are all fine, good things, but what does a peace loving, respectable people do when those who do not share those attributes decide to challenge you for no reason except that they feel they can take away the lifestyle you enjoy? What would you do if someone invaded your home, threating your family and taking your property that you had worked so hard for---tell them how much you love & respect them, and ask that they leave peacefully? Thats lovely in theory, but its not reality unless everyone feels the same, and that ain't gonna happen in this life. This is planet Earth--not Utopia. The Hippies thought they had the answer by holding hands around a campfire, singing Kum Ba Ya, but the hippie era, like the dinosaur era is extinc, but unlike the dinosaurs, we can't use the hippies to produce fuel.
Obama talks of change alot but if elected, i want to see how he differs in his foreign policy approach, especially towards Iran and the Israeli -Palestine issue. He's already declared his support for AIPAC as any american political candidate should when running, so let's see how different he stands from George.
"Change"---an interesting word, isn't it? But Obama has never made it clear exactly what kind of change he has in mind, which leaves it open for speculation... Quite frankly, take a look at America's record for over 200 years, and you will see it has done just fine, so what needs changing? If something isn't broke, why fix it? Sure, we've had our share of problems, made our share of mistakes, but we've, also, managed to fix them without any help from outsiders, and moved on. We were the youngest nation on the planet, yet we became the most powerful within a few tears, relatively speaking, and have been put in a position of having to defend our freedom ever since, even to the point of some plastic Americans who feel they have to apologize for being free, for our lifestyle. Other countries had millenniums to accomplish what we did, yet did not. Yes, yes, I am aware that Rome, Egypt, ect. were powerful empires for awhile and still hold a strong place in their own right, so does many countries, but they are not expected to "apologize" for the lifestyle they enjoy, and neither are we. I will never dis-honor our forefathers legacy to us. If anyone has a problem with our free lifestyle and the fact we love it, then all i have to say to you, is move out of our way, or get trampled by our dancing feet! As for you plastic Americans, I have no respect for you, unless you do one of two things--either get your heart into America, or get your ass out of it!
It is interesting thing to read about the willingness of Israel to discuss something serious on the future of Israel with Obama because he is not even from the Aryan stock. Obama has no standing in the eyes of Israel. I do not believe that much was discussed between Obama and Olmert on matters directly related to the security of Israel but rather on the possible strong support that Isreal can give to ensure Obama is elected president.
It is in the best interest of Israel to have someone in the White House who is a true puppet of Israel. Having Obama in the White House would be easier for Israel both in terms of election contribution, campaign efforts, influence or control the US policies and actions rather than having McCain who has his "own people" for backing and reference thus not easily influenced by Israel.
This is the first homage that any aspiring US presidential candidate must do - visit Israel and swear to them that the US will give undivided support to Israel in all circumstances. The ultimate homage will be to address the Congress of Jewish Lobby in New York just before the real election and swear the same.
Nawawimohamad, your conspiratorial rant only lacked the following three "facts":
1. Jews control the U.S. media
2. Jews control Federal Reserve bank
3. The Holocaust was fiction.
Did I miss any?
Your forgot how arabs are incompetent boobs that had a chance of becoming a super power of some sort during history but were to stupid to achieve that goal..How could the arab world which was so numerous and powerful at one point in time get so stupid so fast as not to be able to compete on the world stage...They just remain ignorant to how the world works...Oh well stay dumb thats what they are good at...Dirt farming and opium harvesting...Sound like they are doing great compared to Israel... So Israel picked up where the arab incompetents left off...Sorry but the arab world sucks ass...Everyone with a brain that is at least working at half capasity knows that the holocaust happened..Only those that are supremly stupid, or skinheads on drugs believe otherwise...Judging by your rhetoric you must be one of those arabs still sour over you ancestors stupid decesions that left you angry and poor...Tough
Observer101, you need to hit the history books. Your racist explanation for problems in the Arab world fails on every point. Opium harvesting? Where in the ARAB world do you imagine opium poppies are grown? Do you think Afghanistan is an ARAB country?
If failure to become a "super power" is an indication of failure, then the overwhelming majority of the world's people have been failures, now and at every point in history. MOST of the world's population, at all times in history, have lived somewhere OTHER than in the nation (or tribe) that, at that point in time, was the most powerful (or even ONE of the most powerful). For example, two centuries ago, when last there was a single dominant power on the globe (the British Empire), most people on the planet weren't British. When the Romans were the top dogs, most people were not Romans. The United States is the most powerful nation now, but guess what? Upwards of 90% of the people in the world are not citizens of the United States. The factors that place a nation in power are many...and the particular race or ethnicity of that nation has very little to do with it.
I guess you were the only one unaware of Afghanistans opium growing operations..I guess you figure its desert and nothing can possibly be grown there...Pssst let me let you in a on little secret...Its the Talibans main export..And I am well aware of the history of a "super power"...My point is they will never and have never achieved anything along the lines of, as you put it the British empire, or Romes history because of their constant infighting and tribal conflicts...Hell they cant even fight for their common goal of ridding Afghanistan of the "occupiers" because of their constant need to fight themselves...And I refer to "Arab" in general...Im not going to type every ethnic group that hates Israel..I assumed ppl would get the point..Obviously not.
Sure thats how it works..*rolling eyes*
Why should Israel respond to the demands of the Arabs (Palestinians).? The land of Israel belongs to the Jews. In fact, they have given up too much land already and should take it back. The Palestinians should go and live with their wealthy neighboring Arabs. Why don't they take them in? They have lots of land and some lots of oil our money. If the Palestinians were given the land of Israel, they would destroy it in a few weeks. Just look at Gaza what they have done to it. It is a mess and a haven for criminals and it's getting messier.
The reason the Palestinians don't go elsewhere is.....NO ONE WILL TAKE THEM.........They had the choice of staying in Israel, and have all the rights and freedoms, of all Israelis. Many did. Most did not. Their "loving" mohammed brothers convinced them. Israel will be destroyed. LEAVE. They left. Now they can pray to Allah. Too bad....Allah doesn't give a crap. He thinks it's funny. He loves suffering. He comes to kill, steal, and destroy. He is an god of death and destruction And Muhammed is his pedophile prophet.
NOBAMA!!!
Wrong, HolyRoller. Palestinians had no such option. Read the Israeli historian, Benny Morris' book "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, 2004"....or the accounts of another Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". Then, after you have educated yourself about what really happened, you can come back and apologize for your ignorant, racist comments.
It's a mess because the Israelis keep them in rampant poverty and deny them basic rights like food and medicine.
And personally, I think the land of "Israel" - or Palestine as it was known before 1950 or so - belongs to those who've lived on it - all of them - you selfish ass.
You realize, don't you, that there was never an independent nation called Palestine -- at least not since biblical times. The territory was ruled by the Canaanites, then the Israelites, and then it became part of the Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman Empires with periods of independence or autonomy for the Jews. When the Roman Empire split, the region was ruled by the Byzantine Empire. Then came the Sassanians, Omayyads, Crusaders and Mamelukes, and then by the Ottoman Empire in1517, which incorporated into Syria. After WWI, it was a British Mandate which created Jordan out of part of the territory in 1921. Finally, in 1948, it was designated Israel, a homeland for the Jews of the world. The point is, Palestinians are not yearning for a homeland that they lost. They never had it. Any Palestinian who can remember back before the creation of Israel was under British rule (or, if they're really, really old -- the Ottoman Empire). Palestine never seemed to want to take responsibility for its own government -- until the Jews made the desert bloom. I have some sympathy for Palestinians who are displaced. They need somewhere to go, obviously. There now needs to be a free Palestinian territory. But, I've always wondered why Palestinians only became concerned about "their" country after the creation of the Jewish state. One could also wonder why Palestinians don't consider Jordan part of their home territory. Why not petition Jordan for return of the former Palestinian lands? But of course the answer is that for many Palestinians, the goal is not really a homeland; it's the erradication of the Jewish state. One can only hope that the younger generation of Palestinians is sick of fighting for a cause rooted in old wars and old empires and will seek some way to peace.
I'm well aware that Palestine had none of the trappings of modern statehood prior to the Israeli takeover. That does not change the fact that the Palestinian people were still living on the land and still considered the farms that they worked to be home, and were forced to leave them. Lack of a nationalist government does not preclude sentiments of place by those who work on and farm a particular area.
I've seen pro-Israel hawks make this argument before - that the Palestinian exodus was justified because there was no modern state in Palestine - and to me it seems arrogant and prideful beyond words. "Palestinians are not yearning for a homeland that they lost. They never had it." - these statements are among the most selfish I have ever seen. If you said "they are not yearning for a government they lost", I would agree, because they didn't really have much of one or much nationalist sentiment prior to losing their homes. But the land of Palestine WAS their home, regardless of any statehood, much the same way that I would still consider myself a Californian even if the U.S. government came crashing down. And at this point there definitely *is* a Palestinian nationalist movement - probably one that was awakened by the exodus.
I do agree that there is a strong sentiment among Palestinians that the state of Israel should be destroyed. I'm not protecting it. But at the same time, given the strong ties to family present in Arab culture and the fact that most of these people have seen their parents and grandparents literally run off the farms they used to work *at gunpoint*, I understand it. And honestly, until Israel stops claiming that they and they alone own the land, and claiming that the Palestinians aren't people because they couldn't self-govern, they're going to keep getting blown up by young Palestinian men who feel they have literally nothing to live for.
This is deivel. Palestine was a divison of the Ottoman Empire, which most assuredly was self governed.
War with Iran over perceived future threats of a nuclear bomb sounds eerily similar to war with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction, including better now than later and so forth. There should be inspectors in place around the world for all nuclear programs, and this march to war rhetoric is nonsense. No country will attack the U.S. or Israel, which already has a sizeable nuclear arsenal. Military threats are not helpful here.
You state that "No country will attack the U.S. or Israel". How nice it must be in the fantasyland in which you live. Ahmadinejad has explicitly threatened to destroy Israel -- how can you expect Israel not to take that seriously?
Not true, marky18. Ahmadinejad PREDICTED the demise of Israel. He never threatened that Iran would do anything to bring this about. Its one thing to say that "Someday Joe Smith will die"....it is quite another to say "Someday I will kill Joe Smith". Israel AND the United States have both implicitly threatened to attack Iran (and continue to do so). The most Iran and its President have done is to say that, if attacked, Iran will defend itself and respond in kind: in effect, "If you attack us, you will be sorry".
Sorry, I do not see the value of killing people, and yes, I served in Vietnam era.
I made some comments below that might seem anti-Israel...and I apologize.
There are good people in Israel and bad, and good people in Palestine and bad as well. The trick to helping solve this problem, I think, is more economic than military.
Israel has the greater economic development, and the power hand here. And it is true that before Israel, the Palestinians were living feudally - just working the land to survive. But there's a thought that keeps nagging at my mind here, and that is that if the Palestinians could get education, food, and jobs if they laid down the Intifada, a lot of them who are tired of the suffering would probably do it.
The trick is to give the Palestinians something to live for - not something to die for.
Vigil is quite right about the social organization of the Palestinians before Israel was established....but a point of history: the Palestinians had no independent nation. They were subject to the governance of others for centuries...the Ottoman Turks, then the British. Britain promised, in accepting the Mandate (first of the League of Nations, later of the United Nations), to grant the indigenous people of the Levant independence, but reneged on their promise for political reasons of their own, facilitated the immigration of thousands of European Jews (to whom the British had made a conflicting promise), violently suppressed the Arab uprisings that their policy fomented, and then simply washed their hands of the whole matter and walked away (in the last months of 1947). If Britain had HONORED their promise to the people of Palestine, and granted them their independence, its virtually certain that Palestinian society would have developed and evolved beyond feudalism...its a mistake to blame the Palestinians' previous condition on the Palestinian people, while they were subject to the rule of others.
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