Can Obama Stay Above the Fray?

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  • Posted By: holmantx @ 08/01/2008 7:26:50 PM

    Seizing money from an entire industry and redistributing it to others signals the death knell:

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith
    From spiritual faith to great courage
    From courage to liberty
    From liberty to abundance
    From abundance to complacency
    From complacency to apathy
    From apathy to dependence
    From dependence back again into bondage."

    This memorable quotation is from Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813). Scottish jurist and historian, he was widely known in his time and was professor of Universal History at Edinburgh University in the late 18th century. The Framers based the Federalist Papers on Limited (federal) governance to thwart this decay cycle.
    He was, at the time, writing of the fall of the Athenian Republic. When a society bases its political power on a majority vote, it is inevitable that those wishing to have power will seek to satisfy the needs of those who will provide it (vote) by transferring wealth. This leads to ever increasing public spending fueled by the self-interest of producers. With each increment in the common realm, more people are brought into the class of those receiving benefits . . . these people will take their benefits into account, desire to maintain or increase their level of benefits, vote for those who will support them, and thus, the level of spending will ever increase. The needs of the voters will eventually exceed the treasury???s ability, so fiscally unsound policies will be undertaken.

  • Posted By: Dennis in Denver @ 08/01/2008 6:58:04 PM

    EgObama is no Messiah who is above the fray. Nice thoughts, but the man has been in the middle of the mudslinging for months. Ask Hillary's supporters. If he thinks he's worthy to lead, he's going to have to take the same hits as Clinton and Bush have before him. If it is too much for EgObama's ego, he should go back to relaxing in his million dollar home, while us "common folk" go to our shacks in Bitterville.

  • Posted By: Reefsaver @ 08/01/2008 6:55:22 PM

    The McCain campaign is "defining" their opponent 3-4 months before the election. Too inexperienced, more celebrity than substance, etc.

    The Obama campaign has spent a lot of time and money for a submliminal racial campaign that is probably not coming, at least from any reputable sources.

    Obama's campaign blundered on Wednesday by including a response (Obama's "I don't look like the Presidents dollar bill quote) to AN ATTACK THAT DIDN"T EXIST.

    Obama's campaign changed their speech and the sun came up the next morning.

    I am a Republican. We don't want black people to be offended, we want them to be Republicans!!! We are the party of Abraham Lincoln.

    McCain was justified in his response. It was an unfair comment by the Obama campaign, but it has received enough attention.

  • Posted By: bennybuddy @ 08/01/2008 6:23:36 PM

    Wow, Eleanor, planning to have any sense of objectivity here? Geez. I am predicting here and now that the Invesco Center stadium trick is going to backfire on Mr. Obama. The Berlin worship-fest is a prelude - the American people don't want their President to be a rock star in a sold out show. They expect more.

  • Posted By: fowlowl @ 08/01/2008 6:20:46 PM

    Eleanor, you've got enough problems defending your current dufuss without trotting out the liberal line about how there wasn't any truth to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads. What was it, something like 31 of 32 officers who served with Kerry backed the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads? No evidence? As for Obama, face the facts: Your party is about to nominate someone who is to the left of (and, if one can imagine it, less bright than) even Ted Kennedy. If you really want to elect him in November, your best bet is to give him some movie money so he'll stay out of the public eye for the next 90 days.

  • Posted By: THOMMIE @ 08/01/2008 6:03:32 PM

    I would like to suggest that instead of verbally abusing each other and the author, we could be a little more constructive and find away out of this mess we are all in. I would suggest to Mr. Obama (or his people) rather than answer every stupid ad or precieved attack that he genuinely begin to construct focus groups (consisting of everyday and academia from around the country)around our most pressing issues so that if he is elected President, then WE (this country) can hit the ground running on January 20, 2009 and make that change.. Good Luck

    • Posted By: tennismom @ 08/01/2008 6:09:48 PM

      Please quit whining - you sound like Barry. This country is not horrible, needs none of the change he is talking about. It needs something though, and that is the disappearance of those who constantly keep criticizing this country. Ever heard of ups and downs in the economy, its the natural life cycle of a capitalist economy. Not a Marxist/socialist regime like Barry is proposing. Get a grip.

  • Posted By: JNinIL @ 08/01/2008 5:33:20 PM

    It would appear that Ms. Clift is in the same mode as Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, and Chris (set my leg a tingle) Matthews. In the tank for Obama no matter what is said or done. John McCain is a more experienced, up-standing, knowledgeable candidate than Barack Obama is right now. The only thing Obama has going for him is his "rock star" personna. He won't debate in a town hall meeting! He won't take public money after he said he would! He acts imperial! He can't admit a mistake or the ability to change his mind, ie: the Iraq surge has worked. The list goes on. He won't drill for energy, doesn't want nuclear power, doesn't want coal fired generators, what does he want. Just that we inflate our tires and tune up our vehicles. This will save us from all the evils of the world according to him. Two words, get real.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/01/2008 6:09:14 PM

      At least Couric challenged Obama to answer a tough question, while he still evaded, she made him look like a really idiotic up there.

  • Posted By: tennismom @ 08/01/2008 6:06:21 PM

    Eleanor, you're seriously having issues again. Get your head out of Barry's butt, and wake up. This country is not going to stand for electing a far-left Marxist, tax-raising, elitist snob. And, by the way, yes he did play the race card. His campaign manager admitted as much today. And on national TV, his campaign was not able to come up with a SINGLE instance of McCain ever invoking race, or the Republicans. They wisely stayed away from this issue. But since Barry brought it up numerious times, at least they are defending themselves. Why can't Barry talk about his policies, and his "solutions" for the country. Oh, sorry, because he has NONE.

  • Posted By: alex08 @ 08/01/2008 5:56:23 PM

    An email is widely distributed telling that McCain wants to still reduce taxes while Obama want to increase them for EVERYBODY and especially painfully hurt low income retired people. Although it is false it takes a lot of votes from Obama. I've sent an email request to both McCain's and Obama???s campaign asking to tell me the truth. Neither responded - I believe all emails just do to trash automatically. I can believe that McCain's campaign did not respond deliberately but what about the Obama's one? Slightly intrigued I repeated this email to Obama's campaign - no response. So either they believe that they are above such "nonsense or just lazy. Pretty interesting.
    And one more thing ??? it???s what the connection of politicians with ordinary Americans really is.

  • Posted By: alex08 @ 08/01/2008 5:55:47 PM

    An email is widely distributed telling that McCain wants to still reduce taxes while Obama want to increase them for EVERYBODY and especially painfully hurt low income retired people. Although it is false it takes a lot of votes from Obama. I've sent an email request to both McCain's and Obama???s campaign asking to tell me the truth. Neither responded - I believe all emails just do to trash automatically. I can believe that McCain's campaign did not respond deliberately but what about the Obama's one? Slightly intrigued I repeated this email to Obama's campaign - no response. So either they believe that they are above such "nonsense or just lazy. Pretty interesting.
    And one more thing ??? it???s what the connection of politicians with ordinary Americans really is.

  • Posted By: sharons @ 08/01/2008 4:22:12 PM

    Hmm. McCain is accusing Obama of complaining unjustifiably about the RNC using his race against him. Seems to me that many people have used Obama's race against him or implied or attributed things to him in order to scare racist voters (not just Repbulicans either). I seem to recall that McCain himself was pretty upset when the Bush campain used his adopted daughter Bangladeshi daughter Bridget's extremely dark skin color as against him with a smear campaign in order to scare what I again refer to as the 'racist vote' into voting for Bush. And exactly where is Bridget these days? How come we don't see her in lots of photo ops with dear old dad anyway? I've seen more of her extremely pale skinned sister hanging out in celebrity town with the likes of Heidi Montag (dare, I say it), one of the up and coming Paris Hilton replacements. John, John, John. You've got to be a little bit sharper there, dude. The racist vote is probably going to get creamed this year by the rest of us. Don't go chasing after it. Stick to the surge. You've got that one down good.

    • Posted By: REGBATSON @ 08/01/2008 4:30:58 PM

      HE COULD BE GREEN WITH PINK POLKA DOTS. ITS ABOUT HIS RADICAL EXTREME LIBERALISM VOTING RECORD. WHY DONT YOU. STOP CRYING ABOUT RACE AND GO CAMPAIGN FOR KARL MARX, JR. IM TIRED OF THE RACIST ARE HOLDING ME BACK MENTALITY. SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR MINORITIES BUT YOU WANT TO BLAME WHITIE. ITS LIKE AN ILLNESS. POOR, POOR ME.

      • Posted By: Mike in Sac @ 08/01/2008 4:50:55 PM

        REG

        It is true that conservatives, especially FOX News, have tried to paint Obama as scary and a risky candidate. The whole Wright thing and the terrorist fist jab. You can't just ignore that, or maybe you can if you choose to do so. Just understand that you are ignoring negative politics of the Right and thus promoting these kinds of attacks. Parroting the "RADICAL EXTREME" Obama characteristization is more about you indiscriminantly sipping FOX News Kool-Aid than the truth.

        • Posted By: REGBATSON @ 08/01/2008 5:39:01 PM

          MIKE YOU IGNORE THE PART ABOUT VOTING RECORD. IT IS MEASURED AND QUANTIFIABLE. ITS HARD FOR LIBERALS TO UNDERSTAND CONCRETE INFORMATION. BECAUSE ITS MUCH EASIER TO BLAME ON THE VAST RIGHT WING MEDIA. PS ANOTHER NUMBER FOR YOU. OBAMA HAS ABOUT 90% OF THE MEDIA. AND ANOTHER NUMBER. LOOK AT THE JUST RELEASED GALLOP POLL.....TIE.

  • Posted By: Haha2 @ 08/01/2008 5:29:04 PM

    Does Eleanor Cliff really understand what Zen means ? Obama is anyting but Zen-like. He rose from the dirtiest Chicago politics. All his so-called changes are the liberal policies of the past: more tax, more government handouts, class warfare, kowtow to the Europeans. He's the King with no clothes.
    John Kerry could easily refute the Swiftboaters by authorizing the release of his war records, but he declined to do so. Actually the boaters challenged Kerry to take them to the court for libeling.
    Poor Eleanor, she should shine Obama's shoes instead of being columnist. Empty head.

  • Posted By: lcaina @ 08/01/2008 5:26:17 PM

    Comment: Time to fight back

    Ignoring the "Rove like" character attacks is a mistake Obama must not make. He has been painted as inexperienced, a socialist, a secret Muslim with a hidden agenda, and an out of touch elitist who ignors our troops and only cares about his own personal power. These fear tactics are obviously about race no matter what the McCain camp says. "Fear the Black man" is the obvious McCain battle cry. No matter how outrageous the lies, it seems to be working if you look at the polls. Obama needs to fight fire with fire. McCain's constant middle-east blunders (still doesn't understand the difference between Sunni and Shiite or understand the real history of the surge) would make a great campaign commercial. Or the "I don't know much about the ecomomy" quote would be another way to exploit the old man's mental limitations. Unfortunately Mr. Obama has too much class to make these kinds of attack ads. I just hope it doesn't cost him the election.

  • Posted By: celested9 @ 08/01/2008 3:38:14 PM

    Eleanor, who are you kidding? Obama is the person creating the "fray".

    What an empty suit!!! Obama has a tissue thin resume and can only win by manipulation and scamming.

    He has played the race card over and over since the primaries. He, unlike McCain or Hillary, has NO mastery of public policy and he shows NO willingness to do the hard work necessary to gain that mastery.

    Obama is a lazy pol who wants to win by misdirection and manipulation. In his case, he has used his blackness masterfully to be where he is.

    Please Eleanor, you are a smart woman, don't embarrass yourself any further by excusing Obama's abominable behavior. He will go down in flames and he will take down all of you media who are in the tank for him.

    • Posted By: seriously40s @ 08/01/2008 4:10:57 PM

      your right celested9 it is obama that is manipulating. it doesn't matter that mccain has not been consistant on anything that he has said, oh i take that back he has been consistant at saying nothing of substance and everything is good and that bush's policies have been good. I guess some haven't suffered enough.

      but i see your point. why pay attention to someone looking to the future, educated, debth in their plans, honest, but i know there is one pesky problem he is black.

      therefor mccain can accuse him of the "race card" which was invented to stop minorities in their tracks when calling out people on their racism. you know so that the majority in this country, well so we don't feel guilty.

      mccain saying obama is playing the race card is like a molester looking at his victim and saying it is all your fault for the crime i have just commited up on you. mccain uses "code race language", racially charged images; ect to get his point out. mccain is calling out the race vote and well its working.

      i don't know about you but i don't want to have to sell my house or gasp my first born to get gas for the car. have a good day.........

      • Posted By: celested9 @ 08/01/2008 5:05:12 PM

        Did you even read my post? What?

  • Posted By: seriously40s @ 08/01/2008 3:56:21 PM

    I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. Obama, at least to me is not seen as he can walk on water or raise anyone from the dead. That is just crazy, please. To me he is a smart, charasmatic, deep thinking, family man who is African-American. So he is liked. Yet, I don't see celebrity, just a man. I think it is a shame that the "race" can't be won without "race" as an issue. Mccbush has been waiting for his chance to say, I think, "see I told you he was black he is trying to use being black to win. I don't care that I am in bed with big oil, it shouldn't matter that drilling will bring you no relief but make big oil richer, so what if I left my first wife due to her being in a difiguring car accident and I love only me and will sell you out the minute I get in the white house, why, because then you can't do anything about the damage that I am about to heep upon you, but none of that matters because I have succeeded in showing you that Obama is black and isn't being black more of a crime in this country than anything else. Yes I know that we only attacked Obama by using code words like "he isn't like us", he could be "muslim", but isn't it all fair in love and war. Heck no minority should ever be president and it was my job to remind you. So what if I graduated in the bottom 1% of my navy class and so what if that was only because they gave me a second chance. By the way it doesn't even matter that I have no experience to be in the white house and won't release my war records because I could be accused of treason like I accused Obama of treason but for better reasons. I am mccain and I will do anything including sell my soul to the devel to be president." What is there left to say.

    • Posted By: Mike in Sac @ 08/01/2008 5:05:06 PM

      Right on! Straight to it. Let's have some straight talk.

      Why don't others call McCain on these issues. As a Vet I want to know more about his so-called hero status. He does not support Veterans! He votes against anything to expand care or benefits to us so why do you all think he will ANYTHING FOR YOU. He will continue to serve the rich corporation that are trying to put him into office. Period.

      This isn't the first time he has sold out. It started when he cooperated with the Vietcong. He helped them, but nobody wants to talk about that. He was subjected to torture until he broke and now won't even oppose those same practices. That scares me more than anything else as I just don't know what else he is capable of doing or approving.

  • Posted By: systems88 @ 08/01/2008 5:02:18 PM

    Is this supposed to be a serious article? ZEN-LIKE CALM? And you are part of the Obama campaign how? Do you sit in on strategy sessions? Are you debriefed every day? Because Obama looked anything but Zen-like when the hecklers were going at him in Florida. Obama changed his cadence and suddenly he wasn't talking the same way. It was riotous. He also tried to ignore them and then he let the crowd save him and he still needed help. The racial dynamic is interesting as well. His behavior in the video reveals more about Obama and his capacity to be President than those staged photo ops. Watch the video and you'll see why Obama doesn't want to do Townhall meetings.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_K-rC1AmCQ

  • Posted By: just jerry @ 08/01/2008 5:00:17 PM

    Barack Obama talks about new politics while using old politics and always has; the media is so smitten with his patter that they don't really watch what he is and his campaign staff are doing.

    There are plenty of people who do see what he is doing, but they dismissed rather than considered because then Obama fans would have to admit that they fell for the con and they believe that would make them look like fools. It is really not a problem once you realize he is just another politician; remember how upset you all got when Reverend Wright said he was a politician acting like a politician. Oh, my you couldn't even concieve of the possibility that Obama was "just a politician."
    You've accepted that he is just a politician, now you need to accept that he acts like any other politician and uses the old politics as it suits his cause while being "disappointed" and hurt when other politicians resort to the old politics when he is working so hard to be so good- poor fellow.

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 08/01/2008 5:00:11 PM

    I find it hysterical that people take Newsweek seriously. They are such a liberal news rag.

  • Posted By: Bacalove @ 08/01/2008 4:43:40 PM

    In regards to Barack's statement that he did not look like those on the other dollar bills, I believe Barack was respondong to an ad The McCain Camp ran with Obama's face on the dollar bill; his face on the statue of liberty; and on all four faces of Mt. Rushmore!

    It was depicted when the Ben Franklin and George Washington faces fade to show Obama's on the currency; Miss Liberty' face fades to Obama's and the four faces on Mt. Rushmore fade to Obama's! How come the Media is not reporting the WHOLE story?

    • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 08/01/2008 4:58:51 PM

      Obama's campaign already admitted he was talking about race. Nice try though.

  • Posted By: KQuark @ 08/01/2008 4:15:08 PM

    Obama's personality reminds me allot of Tony Dungy head coach for the Indianapolis Colts. They both have a very even temperament and are very cerebral strategic thinkers. They both have been consistent overachievers throughout their lives. It took Dungy years to get a head coaching job and when he finally got one he took the worse franchise in the NFL, Tampa Bay and made them a perennial winner. But this was not enough because he still was fired even though his team made the playoffs. When Dungy was hired by the Colts he finally was the first African American coach who won a Super Bowl to reach the pinnacle of success. Obama has a superior intellect with some of the highest academic credentials of any president in history. Obama is in his prime and his experience and is vastly underrated by the media and the right wing. In this country almost always an African American has to do the job before he gets the job and every indication is that Obama is runny the most efficient and successful campaign in modern history that has not needed to rely on scurrilous negative attacks.

    • Posted By: REGBATSON @ 08/01/2008 4:20:50 PM

      HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST POLLS. AND WITH THE MEDIA UP HIS A**. HE IS AN ARROGANT RADICAL EXTREMIST. LOOK AT HIS VOTING RECORD. KARL MARX WOULD BE PROUD. CAN ONLY WIN IF HE TRICKS THE VOTER INTO THINKING HE IS MODERATE.

      • Posted By: Mike in Sac @ 08/01/2008 4:57:13 PM

        REG,

        Again you parrot the talking points of FOX News. Go look at the research on media coverage and you will find that while Obama gets more coverage, he also gets more negative coverage.

        The above posting is true. Obama is extremely gifted and strategically minded. He stated the war was a mistake and it was a huge one. He has stated that we should have a timetable for withdrawal, now Maliki, Bush, and McCain agree. He has stated we should directly negotiate with Iran, that it would not be appeasement, and now Bush's people are directly negotiating with Iran. He stated we should send at least two more combat brigades to Afghanistan and now McCain also agrees.

        Obama has been out front on every major foreign policy decision and he has been right almost every time. That, REG, takes intelligence that goes far beyond the ability of people like you and McCain who only know how to sling mud and win by sliming the opponent.

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