It actually would take around 10-15 years of offshore drilling to see any results. What's being discused and approved (FINALLY) by the state of Florida is to drill outside the Tampa Bay area, inside the Gulf of Mexico. But it's been said by the people that do this is that they haven't done surveys of the area or anything for over 30+ years. So now stuff in the ground has moved and they have to survey it all again and build the pipes, etc . Still, 10+ years? I don't see why people are favoring the offshore drilling NOW when it could've happened a long time ago. People want the prices to go down NOW and in reality, it's not going to help NOW. We're also going to be taxed on building the rigs, etc. People are thinking it's a great idea because they don't know all the facts and any politician is using this as a weapon.
The Lure of Black Gold
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Posted By: qpidkcid @ 08/03/2008 8:39:48 AM
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Posted By: miltongalfas @ 08/02/2008 8:48:26 AM
They just want to drill in the south. That's because they are wanting votes from the northeast. If there is to be drilling then it must be across the country and then see if it would ever pass. Why would Florida or Louisiana or Texas want to destroy their beaches and the greater tourism dollar? Texas is already ruined and LA is following. Drilling off the coast of Florida or Georgia or the Carolinas would be a devestating blow to their economies and would hold down the economic growth that is rampant.
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Posted By: Morgan Mghee @ 08/02/2008 10:28:13 PM
There are more than 4000 rigs in the gulf of mexico, you can see their lights at night from space.
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 08/02/2008 1:25:12 PM
John McCain you're disgrace to many Americans.In Academy You're 5th from last. You only last only 20 hrs of flying in Vietnam.The rest of good Pilot last till the war end in fighting. you spending total war period as Pow .Returning home you abandoned your cripple wife,You Let Ross Perot paid all her Medical expenses.Yet You're well known as Hardcore Gambler to stand at Casino Table for 14 hrs.John McCain you're dangerous for Americans to gamble thier lives.
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Posted By: ben nevis @ 08/02/2008 5:35:13 PM
Jack, you're a JERK and a LIAR. Learn to write a coherently.
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Posted By: Morgan Mghee @ 08/02/2008 10:22:09 PM
I see, because Jack is not a native english speaker, that makes him a jerk? Or maybe because he writes the truth and you don't like it? Because as far as I can tell, he made no personal attack, like name calling. And stated facts as they are available to anyone. Putting them all together like that is a little startling, but facts they are and if you are startled it is because of McCains actions, not Jack writing about them, fool.
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Posted By: txcntrygrl_2000 @ 08/02/2008 4:03:35 PM
China is currently drilling off our shores in international waters and using diagonal drilling to reach the reserves that are under areas of the ocean floor that are considered American waters. Then China is using that oil for their own purposes, including selling some of it to back to the US. So.....for all the unhappiness about the off-shore drilling, it is already occuring....whether we like it or not. Considering that it is taking place in international waters, there is nothing we can do about it either.
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Posted By: Morgan Mghee @ 08/02/2008 10:16:12 PM
Nope, they are not. And that little tidbit of Republican oilman propaganda was disproven within days of Cheney, then McCain having said it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/cheney-admits-oil-lie/
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/07/10/eric_bolling_explains_why_he_repeated_dick_cheneys_chinadrillingoffcuba_lie_three_times.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxgs-OxsCgA
So, either your peeps are stupid and you need to find new ones, or they are liars and cheats for spreading propaganda for personal profit and you still need to find new ones.
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Posted By: TimJoFred @ 08/02/2008 9:18:13 PM
John McCain:
He was against religious intolerance until he needed endorsements from fundamentalists and was for it;
He was against torture until he voted for it;
He was against tax cuts for the rich until he needed their money and then voted for them;
He was for campaign reform when he tried to borrow against public financing and then against it after he got more private money;
He was against lobbyists until he let his corporate buddies and pals run his campaign for him;
He was for gay marriage before he was against it;
He was against earmarks until his pals contributed to his campaign and the "Reform" Institute and then made "requests" before his Commerce Committee;
He was for American businesses until some of his campaign managers and contributors went to work for Airbus;
John McCain: Change for America and Change and Change and Change...
New drilling will benefit one group of Americans and one group only: the stockholders of the oil companies. It will take 10-15 years before any results will flow from new drilling. By then the demand for petro-fuel will render the price so high that only John McCains friends will be able to afford it. We need alternatives now, NOT new drilling!
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Posted By: ForeverAFan @ 08/02/2008 8:53:47 PM
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12834398/
There ARE alternatives out there, and the oil companies have known about them for YEARS. BUT, they are not in the renewable energy business, they are in the shareholders profits business.
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Posted By: luckylarry @ 08/01/2008 11:38:49 PM
I will not vote for Obama for the very reason that he stands for everything and he stands for nothing. One should not have to figure out a presidential candidate. He has beautiful speeches and must have a very talented writing staff, unfortunately speeches do not improve the economy. If he does not come clean and state his position on several key issues I just do see him getting elected. Its okay to change your position on something but do not keep doing so, find your spot and stick to it.
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Posted By: CCryder @ 08/02/2008 8:40:09 PM
Have you figured out John McCain, yet? In 2000, he was a moderate, but now he is a conservative, having changed his position on numerous issues. Of course he had to change to get the Republican nomination, but how would he govern? I have no idea.
McCain changed his position on issues not because of any change in circumstances, but for pure political expediency. Hardly a trait I'm looking for in a President. -
Posted By: valadezaj @ 08/02/2008 12:44:19 AM
My feelings exactly! I heard someone before say that the American can take bad news but what they can't take is lies. I don't if Obama has things worked out and unwilling to his positions or if that's inexperienced that he doesn't know. What I do know however is that he needs to take a more solid position on issues or he's going to be seen as a candidate who simply blows with the wind.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:42:32 AM
You know, the prudent leader constantly revises his policies according to the situation.
I could never understand the hostility to "flip-flopping" in this country. To me, it seems better to have someone who can adapt to changing situations, not stick to one plan which may become inappropriate to the situation - and this is not the same as saying or doing anything to get elected and having no backbone. Not in the slightest.
Trees that bend in the wind don't break...
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Posted By: CCryder @ 08/02/2008 8:27:30 PM
"We need to develop our own oil resources, right here in America!" Sounds good doesn't it? The only problem is that the oil in American really isn't ours--it's owned by the oil companies. And they will sell it to the highest bidder in the world oil market.
"But increasing America's oil production will lower the price of oil!" Think so? The USA currently produces about 6% of total world production. Do you think that increasing that a little bit is going to have any significant effect on oil prices? It won't, but we could spoil a lot of pristine areas trying.
Bottom line, anyone who tells you that increased domestic drilling will help, is either uninformed or a liar in the pocket of big oil. The only solution is alternative energy, and we need to be putting way more resources in it than we are now.
(Numbers from the Energy Department's Web site at http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/quickfacts/quickoil.html)
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Posted By: 12405 @ 08/02/2008 6:34:42 PM
The bottom line truth of this matter is that if you started drilling today not a drop of that oil would hit a tank for at least seven to ten years. In that length of time I hope we will have alternatives to oil. Opening up wilderness to the oil companies does not mean that they will drill there right away. The oil companies have millions of acres of leased land and they have done no exploration of that land which they CAN drill on. This is just devise politices people and will do zip to help the cost go down today. The true solution we can institute now, CONSERVATION. In fact, we are doing that and it is working!
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Posted By: opinioned-1 @ 08/02/2008 5:31:35 PM
Who`s the liar- Bush claimed gas prices were going up because we didn`t have enough refining capacity. Now McCain claims they are up because we need to drill. Me thinks they are both idiots and liars when big oil is raping us with BILLION in quarterly profits.
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Posted By: tiredoflies @ 08/02/2008 3:18:50 PM
About drilling for more oil:
REPUBLICANS want more leases for drilling off shore to get more oil. DEMOCRATS want to use existing leases. The market would see and effect in ten years or so.
DEMOCRATS want to release some oil now from the Stretegic Oil Reserve. The REPUBLICANS do NOT. The market would see an effect now.
QUESTION: If the REPUBLICANS feel so strongly about doing something NOW about gas prices, why do they OPPOSE the immediate release of oil from the Strategic Oil Reserve? Why do they NOT support more drilling in existing leases?
ANSWER: Because the REPUBLICANS really do NOT give a d*mn about you the consumer or gas prices. They want to KEEP THIS AS AN ISSUE in this election. PERIOD
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Posted By: tiredoflies @ 08/02/2008 3:15:20 PM
About drilling for more oil:
Republicans want more leases for drilling off shore to get more oil. Democrats want to use existing leases. The market would see and effect in ten years or so.
DEMOCRATS want to release some oil now from the Strategic Oil Reserve. The market would see an effect now. The republicans do NOT.
Question: If the republicans feel so strongly about doing something NOW about gas prices, why do they oppose the immediate release of oil? Why do they NOT support more drilling in existing leases.
Doesn't make sense does it.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 08/02/2008 12:16:05 PM
This Oil will go to Market and Bring Back, whatever the market Bares and we'll still have High Prices to Contend with...Simple and Plain
Thats what the Big Oil Corporations and the Mass Media are Withholding from All of You.
Anyway this offshore Oil Drilling is a Farce....
Big Oil Corporations have 38 Million Offshore Oil Land Leases and they hav'nt begun to Drill on these Already Aquired Lands and Big Oil also has 68 Million Land leases to Drill for Oil....
Yet the Money Hungry Whores want More Land....
What next, an Oil Field in Every Shore, City and State....
If Big Oil Gets its way, Imminent Domain will be in "Full Effect"
Your Neighborhood will be Next !!!
Drill all You want, the Oil is Going to Market and it will Bring, what the Market Bares and America will in all liklihood, will See no Any Substantial Decrease at the Pump.
Most of our Oil Comes from (Canada) the Upper North...
Not Saudia Arabia !!
Sorry, but Facts are Facts
It will take quite some Time, to See any of this Oil, in any Event.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 08/02/2008 12:15:18 PM
Question: Who Voted Against More Offshore Oil Drilling, When then President Jimmy Carter Wanted... More Oil Drilling in the 70's..Hmmm
Answer: Most of the Senators and Congressmen & Women of Carter's Presidency.
Who Voted Against Drilling in ANWR in the 80's ?
Answer: John McCain and Other Senators and Congressmen & Women
Which Past President(s) Voted Against Drilling in ANWR and more Offshore Lands ?
Answer: Reagan, Bush Sr and Bill Clinton, along with the Senate and the Congress of their Times and guess What Senator Voted Against Oil Drilling as well, during that Time....
Senator John McCain....
McCain Has such a Great Track Record on Oil Independence..Huh
McCain's 25 Year Senate Record will be EXPOSED in this Offshore Oil Debate....
McCain was Not Pro Offshore and ANWR Drilling, until...
NOW in an Election Year !!!
When he KNOWS that this Oil Drilling Scam and Gas Tax Holiday is a Farce for the Gullible and Simple Minded.
Prices Will NOT Go DOWN, if this Ban is lifted...They will STILL continue to...CLIMB
Because the Oil will go to Oil Market and Bare what the Oil Market Demands.
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Posted By: klebrun @ 08/02/2008 12:11:38 PM
The energy crisis is a direct result of Cheney???s often stated policy of leaving it to market forces.
In the Rove/Cheney drive to build a GOP political machine the quid pro quo has been GOP protection from competition in exchange for financial support from oil companies, allowing the oil companies to maximize profits and minimize competition. .
T. Boone Pickens (Republican, Texas oil man) says that we cannot drill our way out of this mess. It will take 10 years to receive benefits from off shore drilling and even then it will be a limited and temporary solution to our energy problem. But it makes great politics in the short term.
The problem that we face is that it will take hundreds of billions invested in alternative energy sources to solve our dependence on foreign oil problem, and the private sector is reluctant to take the risk when the oil companies and countries can cut prices at any time, driving the private investors out of business. It is betting against a stacked deck for the investors. We need a MAJOR government commitment to protect private investment against manipulation and speculation.
Cheney and the oil companies understand this and will fight to continue a market driven philosophy that will keep the oil companies effectively in control of our energy policy. It is a philosophy that may destroy this country (a suicide mission in military terms), but they will have the pleasure of going out on top with little concern that they are taking the rest of us with them.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 08/02/2008 12:06:35 PM
Question: Who Voted Against More Offshore Oil Drilling, When then President Jimmy Carter Wanted... More Oil Drilling in the 70's..Hmmm
Answer: Most of the Senators and Congressmen & Women.
Who Voted Against Drilling in ANWR in the 80's ?
Answer: John McCain and Other Senators and Congressmen & Women
Which Past President(s) Voted Against Drilling in ANWR and more Offshore Lands ?
Answer: Reagan, Bush Sr and Bill Clinton, along with the Senate and the Congress of their Times and guess What Senator Voted Against Oil Drilling as well, during that Time....
Senator John McCain....
McCain Has such a Great Track Record on Oil Independence..Huh
McCain's 25 Year Senate Record will be EXPOSED in this Offshore Oil Debate....
McCain was Not Pro Offshore and ANWR Drilling, until...
NOW in an Election Year !!!
When he KNOWS that this Oil Drilling Scam and Gas Tax Holiday is a Farce for the Gullible and Simple Minded.
Prices Will NOT Go DOWN, if this Ban is lifted...They will STILL continue to...CLIMB
Because the Oil will go to Oil Market and Bare what the Oil Market Demands.
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Posted By: jflash97 @ 08/02/2008 10:59:18 AM
What seems to get lost in this debate too often is that the Energy Information Administration themselves have projected that increased offshore drilling will not have a significant impact on gas prices until 2030. Too many people seem to be buying into this perception that it's going to provide relief in the near future-a perception that John McCain seems more than happy to perpetuate. And don't even get me started on Obama flipping when it's McCain himself who's done a complete 180 on this issue.
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Posted By: Jack999 @ 08/02/2008 9:59:38 AM
This all Just Political "GIMMICKS AND LIES " suited the Gas Price Increase for Voters...You can Give Permission to all Oil Company to DRILL anywhere in USA offshore- I CAN BET HARDLY ANY TAKERSjust like our Congress Permission of 68 million hectres.
Cost of OFFSHORE Drilling - minimum USD $200,000 a DAY.That come with NO guarantee of Any Oil.
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Posted By: klebrun @ 08/01/2008 10:48:30 PM
In a nutshell, the Cheney/Bush administration turned management of the energy issue over to the oil companies (the secret meetings?). Cheney was quoted as saying "leave it to market forces". And he did just that.
This is consistent with their practice of turning a significant portion of the management of governmet over to lobbyists/special interests, in exchange for political and financial support. One of those disasters was the privatization of Walter Reed which ended up as a ripoff of our wounded troops.
The oil companies acted to maximize profits for their shareholders and to restrict competition - which would be alternative energy sources.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/01/2008 11:24:15 PM
Yet Obama voted for the Cheney/Enron Energy Bill in 2005.
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Posted By: klebrun @ 08/02/2008 8:37:34 AM
So help me here. There are 100 articles on the web about Obama fighting to close the Enron loophole. Can;'t seem to find the one you are referencing.
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Posted By: cowen123456 @ 08/02/2008 8:30:55 AM
Mccain's got the urgency needed for this energy crisis. His proposal is "all of the above" proposal which promotes domestic productiion and alternative energy development of all sources. This leave no stone unturned solution is necessary to tacklet this crisis. We all know, that oil, coal, wind, solar..ect...alone can not get this country to energy independent. We need to do it all, make progress on all fronts and allow each little step to transitition and build that bridge that will take us from A (energy dependency) to B (energy independent). Mccain's solution is a comprehensive, rational and balance approach with urgency needed to fastrack this solution.
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