The Lure of Black Gold

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  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:40:15 AM

    YES.

    Obama is exactly where I want a leader to be on this!

    Just yesterday I was telling a family member, "You know, I would support domestic drilling IF it came as part of an agreement to develop a renewable energy plan down the line. If I were a Congressman, I would say, 'Yes, I will back your five-year domestic drilling plan - in stone - if you will back my twenty-year solar energy plan."


    I was against domestic drilling too - but I would support it now IF it's not a permanent measure. We NEED a sustainable energy plan. If we could get one in place for the long-term - and drill in the short term - we could get out of our energy crisis and leave a wonderful world for our children.

    Obama '08!

    • Posted By: klebrun @ 08/02/2008 8:29:10 AM

      Happy to see somebody understands the problem.

  • Posted By: Morgan Mghee @ 08/02/2008 2:58:11 AM

    Shame on pollsters for asking such biased questions, and mores the shame on the media that continues to cite it! If you ask if people want to drill to lower the price of gas they say yes. What they are not told in this scenario is that all experts and their own government and the campaign advisors to the REP campaign have said that it will not in fact bring down gas prices. It's called propaganda, and it's usually used against an enemy. The leaders you trust are using enemy fighting tactics against you to benefit oil companies. When people are asked differently, the answers are strikingly different.

    Q2. Looking to the future, which one of the following do you think should be a more important priority for government: Investing in new energy technology including renewable fuels and more efficient automobiles; or expanding exploration and drilling for more oil?

    INVEST IN NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY-76%
    EXPAND EXPLORATION AND DRILLING-19
    DK/REF-5
    http://wilderness.org/Library/Documents/upload/BRS-Omnibus-Poll_07-22-08.pdf
    http://solveclimate.com/blog/20080728/poll-truth-clean-energy-solutions-topple-drilling
    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/power-struggle-series-industry.html
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/climate-research-media-focus-whiplash/

  • Posted By: Morgan Mghee @ 08/02/2008 2:46:18 AM

    Shame on all of the media outlets that continue citing this BIASED poll data. Ask the correct questions and you get quite different answers. http://wilderness.org/Library/Documents/upload/BRS-Omnibus-Poll_07-22-08.pdf

    Q2. Looking to the future, which one of the following do you think should be a more important priority for government: Investing in new energy technology including renewable fuels and more efficient automobiles; or expanding exploration and drilling for more oil?

    INVEST IN NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY-76%
    EXPAND EXPLORATION AND DRILLING-19
    DK/REF-5

  • Posted By: rab077 @ 08/01/2008 7:35:37 PM

    It's about time all the liberials out there in California land have deceided to be for drilling off shore. Guess all the little creatures there on the sand aren't soimportant now that they are paying nearly $5.00 a gallon for gas.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:49:51 AM

      We still love our environmental policies out here and always will.

      We do occasionally wish that most of the rest of the country would stop being jackasses and respect the fact that we contribute more than almost any other state to the federal economy - money that tends to go to aid in less developed states - though.

    • Posted By: sacto43 @ 08/01/2008 8:01:10 PM

      Why would we be in favor of drilling? People pay us good capitalist money to see and enjoy are beutiful coast. We just do not want ignorant mouth breathing pig lovers like yourselves (Whose fat clogged arteries prevent you from walking the corner) to ruin our way of life. The same way your republican buddies are destroying the Appalachian Mountains with mountain top mining. Our lands will still be viable for our children. You dumb rednecks will only be able to give your children a pile of dust.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/01/2008 7:41:49 PM

      Hey, why don't you assemble a posse of your cowboy GOP friends and invade california so you can join up with your buddies there and drill for oil offshore yourselves? That's a solution.

  • Posted By: wandering1day @ 08/01/2008 7:25:01 PM

    Cheney's secret energy meetings resulted in a secret plan. A plan so secret that he spent years in court to successfully keep it from the American public. The smartest idea (to get what the energy companies wanted: ie drilling everywhere they currently aren't allowed) - would be to manipulate gas prices to a point where consumers are severely hurt. Push Americans into a corner (since they have to feed their families, after all) and they will bend to a "promise" of relief they wouldn't have trusted on its own merit.

    Was this part of Cheney's plan? Doesn't it make perfect sense? A Republican controlled White House and Congress couldn't get American's to trade away their precious natural resources and environment - but hit them in a manipulated financial sense . . . and they start to believe they have no choice.

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 08/01/2008 7:29:23 PM

      Sounds very plausible and if you asked Cheney he would say: soooooo.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:48:10 AM

        I really doubt it.

        Cheney's approval rating is even lower than Bush's and he's not likely to wield political power again, I think. They look *terrible* because of all of this and people have lost trust in the Republicans as a result. I think you're just being paranoid.

  • Posted By: pjmkb4 @ 08/01/2008 7:19:17 PM

    I completely agree that as a nation, we need to get away from oil as soon as possible. However, the technology and infrastructure to make such a dramatic shift is still many years off. While we do need to fund the development and testing of alternative fuels, we do need to also permit offshore drilling in the years until a feasible, diversified solution to oil is found. It's great to be an idealist and say that we need to get away from oil, but do you really want to see gas prices continue to soar at the current rates for year and years while we wait for some miracle technology? We at least need some relief at the pump until the country breaks its oil addiction.

    • Posted By: lee226 @ 08/01/2008 7:27:27 PM

      In Europe gas has been selling for 4 to 6 dollars a gallon for years.They have small cars and do not drive just for fun, they are going places they need to go.A change of habit is good for many people and walking is needed to loose the extra pounds from the extra food some eat.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/01/2008 7:31:49 PM

        Also, in Europe they have GREAT public transport - high speed trains, metro, tube, buses...

        In NYC I saw some hybrid city buses. Why are we so reticent to get ourselves diversified into public transport now that we are facing a looming oil shortage indefinitely??? Let's get on the ball.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:46:01 AM

          Europe is hit really hard by gas prices - harder than we are.

          England and Spain are both at $11/gallon or thereabouts. Spanish truckers PARKED their cars on the freeways recently to protest gas prices.

        • Posted By: Texan to da Bone @ 08/01/2008 9:42:08 PM

          They are also taxed at 75% of all income.

  • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/01/2008 5:47:26 PM

    5 Democrats (moderate) and 5 Republicans (moderate) have come together to discuss our current energy crisis. They have come up with ERA of 2008. ENERGY REFORM ACT of 2008. Under the leadership of Senator Conrad (D-ND) and Senator Chambliss (R-GA), today, they submitted a bill that is fully paid and offers a BALANCE of Finding More US oil, Funding alternative energy, and conserving energy. It will open up the southern eastern offshore - but NOT around FL nuclear weapons testing area and NOT WITHIN 50 miles of FLORIDA COAST. It will be funded by levying ROYALTIES on all offshore drilling. (Not just minor lease payments)

    This is the only WIN-WIN solution offered on the Senate floor in the past 1 1/2 years.

    Please contact your Senators to support the ENERGY REFORM ACT OF 2008, by Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), John Thune (R-S.D.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Johnny Isakson (R-Ga), Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), and Ben Nelson (D-Neb.).

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/02/2008 12:44:09 AM

      That sounds really good, actually. Count me on board, if it turns out to be the real deal.

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 08/02/2008 12:08:54 AM

    ...and luckylarry, you don't have to figure out McCain? A year ago, he was for legalizing all illegal immigrants, against offshore drilling, basically voted with the democrats on most issues. Now he's a conservative? Doubtful.

    • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/02/2008 12:15:51 AM

      Yeah, I think we all wish McCain were a little more conservative -- he's just a little too soft on that waterboarding thing, don't you think?

  • Posted By: jm1673 @ 08/01/2008 11:08:37 PM

    Yes, it's gaining acceptance. Even Obama has flip-flopped (again) and is now accepting it for political expediency.

    www.hellnobama.com

    • Posted By: valadezaj @ 08/01/2008 11:16:57 PM

      Yeah I'm disappointed in Obama. Everytime I think of sucking it up and voting for him he compromises yet again. I know winning the election is more important but it would be nice to see him take some kind of stand on principles. So far he's been willing to compromise on everything. I just have such a hard time figuring this guy out. All he never seems to stand for is whatever is popular at the moment. McCain on the other hand has been quite a flip flopper too. Do we really have to choose between these guys?

      • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 11:19:35 PM

        I think we need to be electing an energy czar, maybe someone would then tell us what their plan is because neither of the candidates are giving us any substance on this issue.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/01/2008 11:26:28 PM

          McCain's Energy plan is laid out look up Lexington Project. It's a broad spec plan that include everything under the sun; wind, biofuels, solar, nuclear, clean coal, drilling.

          • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/02/2008 12:06:21 AM

            It's reassuring that McCain has a plan all laid out in black and white somewhere, what he needs to do is talk about it, throw it out to the public, pose his contentions to Obama, prove his theories -- in other words, make it a discussion. I have always respected McCain, but I need to hear "stuff" not fluff from the condidates. Our lives are too tenuous right now, people losing homes, businesses closing - this is not the time to be coy.

  • Posted By: CJ66 @ 08/01/2008 11:51:47 PM

    What Obama stands for is a reasoned approach to the problems we face. If we want a dictator, we would stick with Bush. Bush had none of the answers. Things need to be thought through. I believe what Obama is saying is that we need to gather all the facts and reach some kind of consensus on how to solve our problems globally. Science, and climate change, doesn't stop at national boundaries .

  • Posted By: CJ66 @ 08/01/2008 11:40:37 PM

    Oil isn't the answer to our energy problems. Turn out the lights. What is needed is true conservation efforts. We need to cut back in our use of energy, not produce more, which, in the process, produces more pollution. We have reached the limits of tolerance in the environment. One last call to face it, and if we don't, the disasters will take care of the whole problem.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 08/01/2008 11:23:49 PM

    When you cannot afford the gas to go to work or harvest crops you have to try to relieve the truama many families are facing. Simple economics is more supply and less demand equals lower prices. This is a proven fact. To just shug and say tough crap is neither responsible nor humane. All sides are going to have to compromise and work toward a common goal. Drilling our resources is not a luxury, it is a neccesity. We must force Congress to address this issue now. I like the idea of basing license plate fees for vehicles on the amount of mpg they get.

    • Posted By: valadezaj @ 08/01/2008 11:28:32 PM

      I agree there is a supply problem. But the issue everyone seems to be skipping over is that the industry is gouging as well. All of the major gas companies have made record profits. Which proves that the price doesn't need to be as hight as it is. Until the gouging issue is addressed we could have as much as oil as we want and still be paying high prices. The propaganda is that it's a supply issue alone - which it is not.

  • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 11:28:26 PM

    No, I don't like the idea of drilling anywhere actually, but I do see the expediency of it. It's a necessary evil and we need to quit arguing about it in Congress, bite the bullet and then move on to correct our course. We need leadership at this time and some good fresh ideas to get the country moving. Yes, I'm all for the gas guzzler license fee. Bottom line, we've got to get moving and we need to hear something from our potential leaders too.

  • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 11:28:19 PM

    No, I don't like the idea of drilling anywhere actually, but I do see the expediency of it. It's a necessary evil and we need to quit arguing about it in Congress, bite the bullet and then move on to correct our course. We need leadership at this time and some good fresh ideas to get the country moving. Yes, I'm all for the gas guzzler license fee. Bottom line, we've got to get moving and we need to hear something from our potential leaders too.

  • Posted By: getinvolved @ 08/01/2008 10:41:37 PM

    Offshore drilling will NEVER happen with a Democratic controlled Congress.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/01/2008 11:24:32 PM

      Then why does Obama now support it?

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/01/2008 11:21:27 PM

    Of course Drilling is gaining acceptance, now that Obama flipped on the issue trying to pander for votes.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 08/01/2008 11:06:32 PM

    I do recall reading that the Shell Oil Company evacuated a platform due to Huricane Dolly approaching and it survived just fine and the reason is the much improved technology and safeguards put in place. I also think the development of coal as an energy resource is a must, but I don't think I can talk the wife into being the fireman and shoveling coal into the hopper so we can generate enough steam to go visit her mother. As we allow the oil companies leases to drill we can require them to place in escrow some of the profits for alternative energy research to be awarded back to them or given to those who do. This then would save our present economy and move torward the future.

  • Posted By: valadezaj @ 08/01/2008 11:02:12 PM

    Even limited offshore drilling isn't going to help. The propaganda is that it's going to lower prices - which is crap. The fact is oil prices are up because the industry wants them to be up. This whole issue is a red herring so the oil companies can get more oil and put us right back in the position we are now. Alternative energy is the only solution. Sadly though people always end up thinking in the short term.

    • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 11:05:11 PM

      You are 100 percent right. And as for short term memory, I am ashamed to say I lived through the 70s, bought a Pinto (stop laughing), and I am now driving a worthless gas guzzling SUV. Let's hope people today are smarter than my generation and get it.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 08/01/2008 10:43:51 PM

    The technology for drilling has greatly improved over the last 40 years and is much safer for the enviroment today. Now please do not misunderstand me as I live in a very green enviroment with beautiful natural resources and wild life and would be upset if anything were to harm them. Until someone can bring alternatives to an affordable means it is our governments duty to act in the best interest of the people. It will take a transition of at least twenty years to convert, so let them get the oil now and begin the transition without starving people into desperation.

    • Posted By: klebrun @ 08/01/2008 10:56:55 PM

      There will never be any meaningful alternative energy sources until our government understands that you cannot develop a program with costs running into the hundres of billions of dollars through private enterprise when the oil industry has the ability to drop prices overnight and put any developing alternative energy sources out of busness.

      No rational businessman is going to take that risk - betting against a stacked deck.

      If Cheney had suggested that we fight WWII using market forces, they would have thrown him off the nearest bridge, or we would all be speaking a mix of German and Japanese.

      .

  • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 10:50:56 PM

    We don't have 20 years to figure this out. Farmers in our area are not planting crops because they can't afford to harvest them. Yes, we have had a long love affair with oil, but we have simply run out of time. Even if we began drilling here, there and everywhere it will not bring down oil prices. I just watched a program on a huge oil reserve that was just found down in South America, the problem is extracting that oil is so costly that it's hardly feasible.

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