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  • Posted By: coffee40 @ 08/01/2008 9:36:10 PM

    Why dont we forget about what team we're rooting for (Democrats vs. Republicans) and think about things without the party affiliation attached. What we do need is some sort of energy initative which takes in to account the emerging technologies as well as oil. Do you all hear every day about oil spills that occur in the North Atlantic or the Gulf of Mexico with the offshore drilling rigs? No really you dont - what you do hear about typically with oil spills is an accident, either through shipping or at the transfer facility itself. Next, does anyone really know how many oil transfers are completed daily without a spill happening? Consider this, oil tankers are lined up , sometimes 5 or 6 in a row, waiting to offload in just about every US port on a daily basis?
    You know sometimes i think during an election year, we as americans, lose sight of what we're supposed to be doing - this isnt supposed to be the political super bowl, we 're supposed to be electing an official who represents us as the american public, not representing the political party they're affiliated with.
    Wind power, solar power and oil are the only way to decrease our dependence on oil rich countries. If we can figure out the technology of providing energy from clean burning coal, and somewhow figuring out what to do with the waste from nuclear power, why shouldnt we look into that as well?

  • Posted By: thubigun @ 08/01/2008 8:43:35 PM

    It's about time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!!! DRILL HERE-DRILL NOW!!! Drilling won't solve all of our energy problems but if we combine it with the alternative energy sources we just might get opec out of our wallet. Nationalizing oil is NOT the way to go, we are not a socialist country (yet). The oil companies risk millions gambling for the big $$$, bet their employees are paid well.

    • Posted By: morales59 @ 08/01/2008 9:31:17 PM

      When a country has a limited resource such as oil, it should not be left to the corporation to look for the general welfare of the people. Our government which was CREATED BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE should have control to ensure that Record profits being reaped by the corporation do not come at a cost to the people and damage the economy.
      You say "The oil companies risk millions gambling for the big $$$, bet their employees are paid well." That may be true but Mexico has Nationalized oil and they manage to keep gas at under 2.50 a gallon. I know we can do better than that but then again Chevron and Exxon would have to dissappoint the stock holders by not posting record profits. Oil companies need more regulation demand for this resoure relatively inelastic. The proof of price gouging was displayed on Wall street for all to see today!!!!!!

  • Posted By: jeffnak2000 @ 08/01/2008 9:31:05 PM

    New drilling is like putting a small bandaid on a large cut. The US should focus our time and effort in ways to strengthen our dollar so we can get more bang for the buck. This reduces the cost of oil and other commodities that are imported while providing time to improve any alternative fuel sources we pursue without hurting the average American pocket book. Besides, in 10 years when we start to see benefits of new drilling, we may not even need the stuff like we do today.

  • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 9:29:30 PM

    I was around during the last energy crisis, getting gas on even and odd days, sometimes limited to eight gallons. If we think we can drill our way out of this mess, we're very much mistaken. We had a good preview 30 years ago and if we absolutely must move away from oil and do it quickly. John Kennedy said we could go to the moon in a decade and we did it. If we had someone in leadership say we can get off of oil in two years, guess what -- we could do it. We don't need off shore drilling, we need leadership from someon who isn't profiting from oil to get us onto the new next best thing.

  • Posted By: battlebasset @ 08/01/2008 9:15:51 PM

    PJFIEDLER - Amen. Where is all that liberal open-mindedness? Bring up for a vote, and let the country know where they stand, and then they can decide to keep their particular representative or not.

    I've heard it said that the environmentalist movement is the new home of the communist party, after their abject failure around the rest of the world. It appears more and more that this is the truth.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 9:15:40 PM

    Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 9:08:41 PM
    Comment: I have absolutely no idea where these people are that suddenly are in favor of off shore drilling. Absolutely everyone I know says it's time for Big Oil to move it's billions into the next generation of energy and forget the past -- we need to get moving forward and it isn't fossil fuels....
    We Need it all to make the Transition to Alternatives ..........

  • Posted By: hlads @ 08/01/2008 9:13:19 PM

    LOL!!!!! Now there is a shocker! Even Californian's can think for themselves now and again!! Reality hit them hard!! Drill baby drill!!!!

  • Posted By: PJFIEDLER @ 08/01/2008 9:12:25 PM

    I AM OUTRAGED AT THE ACTION TAKEN BY NANCY PELOSI FRI MORN APPROX 11:30 AM. SHE SHUT DOWN THE HOUSE,EVEN THOUGH SEVERAL REPUBLICAN WANTED TO DISCUSS ENERGY LEGILATION.TURNING OUT THE LIGHTS AND TURNING OFF THE CAMERAS OF THE PRESS IS JUST DISGUSTING.SHE HAS NOT ALLOWED AN ENERGY BILL FOR OVER THREE MONTHS TO BE DISCUSSED.WHY ISN'T THE MAJOR MEDIA OUTRAGED? ONLY FOX WILL TELL THE STORY?THE MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS WANT MORE DRILLING.SHE WANTS TO "SAVE THE PLANET". WE NEED TO BE SAVED FROM HER!!!

  • Posted By: janilu2 @ 08/01/2008 9:08:41 PM

    I have absolutely no idea where these people are that suddenly are in favor of off shore drilling. Absolutely everyone I know says it's time for Big Oil to move it's billions into the next generation of energy and forget the past -- we need to get moving forward and it isn't fossil fuels....

  • Posted By: rtojohnny @ 08/01/2008 9:03:43 PM

    You know all i can say is i am tired of hearing about Democrat this or Republican that...how about we all just get started on fixing America and stop the fighting over stupid crap while the rest of the world just swoops in and buys us all out. You want to fix the opil problem...stop selling what we are already drilling...keep my money and our oil here.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 9:02:09 PM



    It is fair to Argue the Strength of Barack Obama fortitude towards supporting American Military security Initiatives when we see that he and the Democrats advised him to " Not " go and see the troops when on the tour last week in Europe , this being a political era that shows that the Opinion of the Liberal voters is more Important than the troops support , and this is a fair debate because if we are to have faith in a leader thats going to defend their country against foreign and domestic threats , like the oath of Office to the Presidency is stated , then to go see the defence element of the security Oath of Office to the USA , he should have said to his constiuency " I am the defender of the Free nation and have to support those who support the Constitution regardless of who supports me , so I will error on the side of going to go see the Troops and those who support me in the Civilian venue will have to understand this if I am to be the President of the USA , rather than worry about how the otherside will use this against me " . Kitten on the Keyboard
    Jul 30, 2008 ... OBAMA DITCHES TROOPS, WORKS OUT INSTEAD. "Barack Obama will not be coming to us," a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl ...
    inmycorner.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-ditches-troops-works-out-instead.html


    This says to me that the Military Security structure of the USA is not the main focus of Barack Obama's views of USA Securty is going to be like Bill Clintons Democrats were back in the 1990s , while we took hit after hit after hit before the big blow came on 911 . So hows this going to work on national Security if we go back to a pre 911 mindset about USA security , given the fact that the radical element is still alive and well in the world and waiting for barack Obama to become president of the USA ?????????
    We better make sure we pick someone who understands what defense and diplomacy mean and how one does not work without the other in some form or fashion , and not be worring about the Image of the WhiteHouse when it comes to defending the USA .

    Pentagon: Terrorism to be threat for decades http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003240.html

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 9:01:51 PM

    Posted By: amalston @ 08/01/2008 8:56:37 PM
    Comment: Just curious...were you outraged at the Bush administration for how its treated military hospitals like Walter Reid. How many times had he'd visited there before the news exposes? Answer: NEVER. That's a fact. Look, you sound like a die hard, but please be intelligent.
    Hey of course we are outraged by the whole Government and their leadership over the years , they been just setting up of Free markets for the taking , with all these Unfair Trade policies that they have made bank from , NYP: CLINTON AND THE SAUDIS - Bill owes the American people some ... Oct 17, 2005 ... It's also a fact that he's [Clinton] remained close to the House of Saud: In 2002, he was paid $750000 for a speaking tour there. The Saudis ...
    www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503845/posts

    Footnote Fahrenheit : Saudi Arabia : $1.4 billion Oct 4, 2004 ... First, he took any money that Saudi Arabia paid or contracted to pay any ... as much to Bill Clinton's charities than to George H.W. Bush's. ...
    www.newsaic.com/f911chap3-2a.html
    Hillary Clinton and Saudi Funny Money: Conflict of Interest? Jan 21, 2008 ... The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in ... But in fact, that curriculum has been bought and paid for by the Saudis, ...
    www.aim.org/guest-column/hillary-clinton-and-saudi-funny-money-conflict-of-interest/
    Obama should have went to see the Troops and not worried about the other side saying it was a Political stunt , because they are more Important that anything to a Commander and Chief of the USA , so what does this say about the Priority issue of Security under a Obama Administration ????????????



  • Posted By: democratesaveus @ 08/01/2008 8:58:47 PM

    Narrow minded? Where is all the free Iraqi oil we are taking going? Our solders are needlessly being killed and our military being shredded apart because they are being used as cheap Iraqi oil field security guards, while we pay outlandish prices at the pump. You make me sick! I get it. I don???t know how much he GOP pays you to sit here spinning things all day. But more of us will be getting it! You want to fight terrorist start with Republicans who have been using terrorist to fear us into accepting and giving up our Constitutional freedoms.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:25:52 PM

    I am really starting to fear this democratic trend towards USA leadership , because it just points more and more towards Socialism values in stead of Independent USA Free Enterprise Values .
    IT is time to stand up for the "United States of America" this guy is weak on defense and you got the proof right here ,
    Obama should have went to see the Troops and not worried about the other side saying it was a Political stunt , because they are more Important that anything to a Commander and Chief of the USA , so what does this say about the Priority issue of Security under a Obama Administration ????????????



    It is fair to Argue the Strength of Barack Obama fortitude towards supporting American Military security Initiatives when we see that he and the Democrats advised him to " Not " go and see the troops when on the tour last week in Europe , this being a political era that shows that the Opinion of the Liberal voters is more Important than the troops support , and this is a fair debate because if we are to have faith in a leader thats going to defend their country against foreign and domestic threats , like the oath of Office to the Presidency is stated , then to go see the defense element of the security Oath of Office to the USA , he should have said to his constituency " I am the defender of the Free nation and have to support those who support the Constitution regardless of who supports me , so I will error on the side of going to go see the Troops and those who support me in the Civilian venue will have to understand this if I am to be the President of the USA , rather than worry about how the other side will use this against me " . Kitten on the Keyboard
    Jul 30, 2008 ... OBAMA DITCHES TROOPS, WORKS OUT INSTEAD. "Barack Obama will not be coming to us," a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl ...
    inmycorner.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-ditches-troops-works-out-instead.html


    This says to me that the Military Security structure of the USA is not the main focus of Barack Obama's views of USA Securty is going to be like Bill Clintons Democrats were back in the 1990s , while we took hit after hit after hit before the big blow came on 911 . So hows this going to work on national Security if we go back to a pre 911 mindset about USA security , given the fact that the radical element is still alive and well in the world and waiting for barack Obama to become president of the USA ?????????
    We better make sure we pick someone who understands what defense and diplomacy mean and how one does not work without the other in some form or fashion , and not be worrying about the Image of the Whitehouse when it comes to defending the USA .

    Pentagon: Terrorism to be threat for decades http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003240.html

    • Posted By: amalston @ 08/01/2008 8:56:37 PM

      Just curious...were you outraged at the Bush administration for how its treated military hospitals like Walter Reid. How many times had he'd visited there before the news exposes? Answer: NEVER. That's a fact. Look, you sound like a die hard, but please be intelligent.

      Did you ask yourself this question: Who was Obama with? It was a congressional delegation, right. Did any of the other congressmen go? Well, he can't go without security, Period. You might like him to be killed, but that's really not American of you is it? Did you ever think that there may have been a security threat? Its Germany - Germany is an Al Quida/Taliban training ground (you can do the research) and do you think that that information (of a threat) would have been made aware to us the US public?

      Now, even if none of that matters and he just didn't go...how many troops had he seen before he didn't go? Moreover, if Republicans are gonna call it a stunt if he goes and he's gonna be unpatriotic if he doesn't then does it really matter, NO. Don't let your party send you to hell in a hand basket. Republican pundits will lie, cheat, and steal to win an election or advance a policy. All you do is say it doesn't matter how you win, but that you won. "The ends justify the means." Well, they don't and your G. W. Bush is the poster child for that truism.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:53:10 PM

    Posted By: democratesaveus @ 08/01/2008 8:47:16 PM
    Comment: Common on!! Stop fighting over oil, scientific advances have made it possible to operate cars without it. Republicans have done everything to stop any advances towards getting us off gas, and by supporting them you are encouraging them. Stop their look over there game. Look at the facts on the Internet and demand more out of your leaders people, for heaven sakes!!

    So why didn't Bill Clinton start a Alternative energy program back in the 1990s , wind solar and all while he was making all this trade Deals on Oil Imports for the Foreign Oil Importers who paid him big Buck for speaking fees ?????
    And we want to know why we are in the Energy Crisis we are in today ??????? Can we Spell Fascism ????
    Is an Obama Presidency going to be any different ???


    NYP: CLINTON AND THE SAUDIS - Bill owes the American people some ... Oct 17, 2005 ... It's also a fact that he's [Clinton] remained close to the House of Saud: In 2002, he was paid $750000 for a speaking tour there. The Saudis ...
    www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503845/posts

    Footnote Fahrenheit : Saudi Arabia : $1.4 billion Oct 4, 2004 ... First, he took any money that Saudi Arabia paid or contracted to pay any ... as much to Bill Clinton's charities than to George H.W. Bush's. ...
    www.newsaic.com/f911chap3-2a.html
    Hillary Clinton and Saudi Funny Money: Conflict of Interest? Jan 21, 2008 ... The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in ... But in fact, that curriculum has been bought and paid for by the Saudis, ...
    www.aim.org/guest-column/hillary-clinton-and-saudi-funny-money-conflict-of-interest/


  • Posted By: battlebasset @ 08/01/2008 8:50:30 PM

    Amalston - No disagreement. We need to get off oil. But cold turkey is not an option. The consequences are too great. It took us 100 years to get here, we won't be able to change over night. We have to drill AND do the alternative stuff. That will keep our economy afloat until we can make the transition.

  • Posted By: KimBee @ 08/01/2008 8:47:57 PM

    Create another crisis and the public will beg for the changes that were already planned by Big Money. Then leave it to the media to present the non-choices to the sheeple, like a choice between McCain and Obama.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:47:26 PM

    Posted By: heresathought @ 08/01/2008 8:40:43 PM
    Comment: Here we go again. Solar energy is here, now and ready to provide a (not "the") solution. Solar is much more cost effective, reliable and efficient than ever before. As technology continues to advance, Solar will become even more affordable. The answer isn't to find more oil somewhere, drill here or there, etc. That's the same narrow minded thinking that put us where we are. Get OFF oil and go solar. THIS will preserve our freedom and independence and clean up the environment at the same time.
    We need oil to make the Transition

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