The Lure of Black Gold

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  • Posted By: democratesaveus @ 08/01/2008 8:47:16 PM

    Common on!! Stop fighting over oil, scientific advances have made it possible to operate cars without it. Republicans have done everything to stop any advances towards getting us off gas, and by supporting them you are encouraging them. Stop their look over there game. Look at the facts on the Internet and demand more out of your leaders people, for heaven sakes!!

  • Posted By: amalston @ 08/01/2008 8:46:51 PM

    Would people feel differently if they were made aware of the fact that we can't even prevent oil spill from shipping lines (e.g. the recent oil spill off the coast of Louisiana when a oil carrying freight liner was split in half by another ship during the last hurricane)? What more do we have to destroy - besides foreign relations, our military stability, confidence in our leadership - before we realize that oil production and the pursuit of oil as our primary energy source is simply detrimental to our lives individually and economy nationally.

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:46:06 PM

    Posted By: fiber artist @ 08/01/2008 8:37:18 PM
    Comment: You don't know anything about Alaska - the ANWR is home to the largest Cariboo herd and yes, they are an important part of the ecosystem. The majority of our money for foreign oil goes to Canada, Saudi Arabia is 2nd, Mexico is 3rd. The Saudi royal family are like cousins to the Bush family, we'll never stick it to them, even though they are one of the worst in human rights in the world - women can't vote or drive, and they behead people in public!
    NYP: CLINTON AND THE SAUDIS - Bill owes the American people some ... Oct 17, 2005 ... It's also a fact that he's [Clinton] remained close to the House of Saud: In 2002, he was paid $750000 for a speaking tour there. The Saudis ...
    www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503845/posts

    Footnote Fahrenheit : Saudi Arabia : $1.4 billion Oct 4, 2004 ... First, he took any money that Saudi Arabia paid or contracted to pay any ... as much to Bill Clinton's charities than to George H.W. Bush's. ...
    www.newsaic.com/f911chap3-2a.html
    Hillary Clinton and Saudi Funny Money: Conflict of Interest? Jan 21, 2008 ... The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in ... But in fact, that curriculum has been bought and paid for by the Saudis, ...
    www.aim.org/guest-column/hillary-clinton-and-saudi-funny-money-conflict-of-interest/


  • Posted By: battlebasset @ 08/01/2008 8:42:35 PM

    OPEC may cut their production initially, but they have to have income, and the only way they can get most of it is to sell oil. They don't have anything else. I really don't care if gas goes to $10 a gallon in the short term. It is more important to not be reliant on countries that hate us for such an important commodity. We need to buy time, unfortunately, until we can get all of the alternative stuff off the ground. Clinton/Gore should have pushed this when they were in charge, but they were too busy letting the "good times roll", to make the American public do anything difficult or feel bad at all.

  • Posted By: democratesaveus @ 08/01/2008 8:36:13 PM

    If we drill more then OPEC cuts their supply, oil prices stay the same. I fear Repubilcans they have no critical thinking skills!

    • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:41:22 PM

      When we Leave the Middleast and Iraq , thats when the Union bentween the Soviets and Hugo Chavez Iran and Syria will be made complete and thats when the Supply of Oil from the Middle east will be cutoff and then all because of a Veto for USA oil development by Clinton in 1995 will be felt by all of us in the USA .

  • Posted By: heresathought @ 08/01/2008 8:40:43 PM

    Here we go again. Solar energy is here, now and ready to provide a (not "the") solution. Solar is much more cost effective, reliable and efficient than ever before. As technology continues to advance, Solar will become even more affordable. The answer isn't to find more oil somewhere, drill here or there, etc. That's the same narrow minded thinking that put us where we are. Get OFF oil and go solar. THIS will preserve our freedom and independence and clean up the environment at the same time.

  • Posted By: Gofish53 @ 08/01/2008 8:20:22 PM

    I live in Texas we have had offshore platforms for decades. You cannot see them from shore so they won't mess up your view. We have lots of Hurricanes and California does not yet you don't see our ecosystem wiped out. You listen too much to the tree huggers. No system is perfect but it has been a really long time since we had any oil on any of our beaches. There is lots of oil on land as well but the liberals won't let the oil companies drill for it either. Where they want to drill for oil in Alaska is far enough north to be away from any wildlife or really anything but ice and tundra. But the liberals say no to that too. There is lots of talk about becoming less dependent on oil but so far nothing viable is out there. Lets drill. I'd rather see our oil companies here that employ Americans get the money than ship all of our money to the Saudis. Who do you think sponsor all the terrorist. Big oil in the mideast because it keeps the price of oil high. It is win win for the sheiks scare america and make them give us their money. If we open up drilling the price will go down. Oil prices are based on futures. That is what is being traded on Wall Street that is what is driving the price up. Tell the world we are going to be putting more oil on the market in the future the price goes down.

    • Posted By: fiber artist @ 08/01/2008 8:37:18 PM

      You don't know anything about Alaska - the ANWR is home to the largest Cariboo herd and yes, they are an important part of the ecosystem. The majority of our money for foreign oil goes to Canada, Saudi Arabia is 2nd, Mexico is 3rd. The Saudi royal family are like cousins to the Bush family, we'll never stick it to them, even though they are one of the worst in human rights in the world - women can't vote or drive, and they behead people in public!

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:25:04 PM

    Hoping to turn the subject du jour from race to his intended theme of the week -- the economy -- Obama rolled out what he called an "Economic Emergency Plan," which includes another round of rebates ($500 for individuals and $1,000 for married couples) that would go out this fall.

    This is the wrong way for a Free Enterprise driven Supply and Demand market to operate , Increase Supply Mr. Obama , is what will bring down the cost at the pump , and that means open up Drilling operations in the USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This will then stabilize the economy and allow for Investment development into long term Alternative Energy programs , and keep the Inflation from Debt under control . And stop the limiting of Resources from going on thats only benefited expresidents in their bid to veto USA domestic Oil development and throwing the USA Fuel markets to the ones that have been paying him exuberant speaking fees , doesn't anyone think this is strange and why maybe the squeeze on control over a Stable and Free Oil market has been what has led the USA and its Military into battle , while this guy gets a Kick back from throwing the market too these people who hate us ????????

    Energy , and the next American President , this is a 2 fold national security Threat !!!!!!!!! Will Barack Obama be more of the same as this ; Drill ANWR: Realism over emotion It is unfortunate, thanks to a veto by President William J. Clinton, that an important source of energy is not available now when it truly is needed. ...
    www.renewamerica.us/columns/weyrich/060523

    Is Bill Clinton directly responsible for the current energy crisis ...
    Is Bill Clinton directly responsible for the current energy crisis by vetoing drilling in ANWR in 1996?


    And then to see this favoritism by those who have benefitted by this Veto of our USA Domestic Energy Development over the years , with not even and Effort to create Alternative Energy to make the USA Independent , because of these payoffs through Speeches is even more a Crime against Humanity on National Security not just for the USA but the World !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So I blame the Clintons Administration for the Lack of Judgment , or maybe it was because he was on the take by the House of Saud , how much were they paying Clinton of Speeches ????Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com He apparently not only "backed" but got paid for pushing it ..... Bill Clinton should have spent a lot less time making speeches and promises to foreign ...
    www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Bill_Clinton_backed_Colombia_trade_deal_Estoy_a_favor.html




    • Posted By: fiber artist @ 08/01/2008 8:33:29 PM

      It was Reagan and Daddy Bush who first instituted the ban on offshore drilling! And W's own people say that even if we started drilling tomorrow, we wouldn't get any oil for at least 10-15 years! That's not going to bring down the price this week buddy! And the other fellow was right - our own oil is being exported to make even bigger profits for the American oil moguls. The country we import the most from - Canada - now there's a terrorist threat!

  • Posted By: ajironworks4usa @ 08/01/2008 8:32:13 PM

    The idea that Democrats are pitching about taking the Profits from Oil companies means that the Democrats are wanting to see Oil companies continue to make these profits so they can tax them harder , for their redistrbution plans of wealth , so hows this Greener Energy policy going to work for the emmisions debate ?????????????

  • Posted By: battlebasset @ 08/01/2008 8:32:00 PM

    I live in New Jersey, another coast state, run by liberals. They are also against off-shore drilling as our fuel prices and taxes go thru the roof as our state budget deficit swells. Drilling off-shore is safe, you won't see the rigs, and every barrel we pull up ourselves gives Americans jobs, UNION jobs, and reduces the amount of money we give to people who hate us. To those who say we won't see anything for 10 years - first, there are plenty of experts who disagree, and second, that only proves we should have done it 10 years ago, when we had $40 per barrel oil. Yes, lets have solar, yes lets have wind, yes, lets have electric cars, but today, we need oil! And we will continue to need oil in the future (ever hear of plastic)?

  • Posted By: joe1022joe @ 08/01/2008 8:25:44 PM

    This is a classic for Obama. he finds himself on the wrong side of a position he has strongly taken and what does he do? He wets his finger and hold it up in the wind. Seeing which way the wind is blowing, he changes direction against his previous position. This is weasel-like behavior.

  • Posted By: katereifers @ 08/01/2008 8:25:13 PM

    Okay people, even if we drill the heck offshore, and even in ANWR, we still won't get lower gas prices. In an article by time which I will post at the bottom, the savings would be 3.5 cents a gallon on average and by 2027! This also doesn't include the rise in demand of both the US and China's populations. Also, if we were so concerned about our national oil resources we should STOP exporting it! OUR OIL EXPORTS have grown dd 33% over the last year! We also reduced our oil imports from Venezuela by 11%. At the same time Chevron and Shell have posted booming profits (in the billions) in the 2nd quarter this year. Offshore drilling is a red herring.
    Read the article in Time: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1815884,00.html
    ***Read the related article on Why Gas Won't Get Cheaper at the bottom of the aboved referenced article!

  • Posted By: dr doug @ 08/01/2008 8:24:23 PM

    The thing I want to make sure is that the oil companies have surveyed all the properties they have already leased. That I understand is the first step. If they haven't then they should explore those before they get any new ones. I expect that oil companies gobble up as many leases as they can JUST to prevent the other companies from getting them. I don't know how this works, of course, but this jumping head-long into "more off-shore drilling" seems more like politics then a serious solution to TODAY's problems. At the moment this is all tangled up in Presidential politics and they are way too many things the American public doesn't know so it's too early to make a decision. We need more facts, not political slogans.

  • Posted By: Falcor @ 08/01/2008 8:23:42 PM

    Of course the hords in California are now opting to support offshore drilling. They refuse to relinquish what they consider to be their God-given right to continue driving gas-guzzling hogs while moaning and groaning about high fuel costs. Heaven forbid that the guilty ones responsible for our foreign oil dependence have to ponder a lifestyle change!
    Granting more offshore drilling leases will make no difference whatsoever. Oil companies have millions of acres already leased to them where they are NOT drilling. Anyone suspect there is an ulterior motive here somewhere? OPEC and our oil companies are staunch supporters of the inefficient, internal combustion engine and the ill-informed.
    The only way we can achieve energy security in this country is to reduce our dependence on oil.

  • Posted By: katereifers @ 08/01/2008 8:23:36 PM

    Okay people, even if we drill the heck offshore, and even in ANWR, we still won't get lower gas prices. In an article by time which I will post at the bottom, the savings would be 3.5 cents a gallon on average and by 2027! This also doesn't include the rise in demand of both the US and China's populations. Also, if we were so concerned about our national oil resources we should STOP exporting it! OUR OIL EXPORTS have grown dd 33% over the last year! We also reduced our oil imports from Venezuela by 11%. At the same time Chevron and Shell have posted booming profits (in the billions) in the 2nd quarter this year. Offshore drilling is a red herring.
    Read the article in Time: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1815884,00.html
    ***Read the related article on Why Gas Won't Get Cheaper at the bottom of the aboved referenced article!

  • Posted By: Geturheadoutofthesand @ 08/01/2008 8:23:11 PM

    All the people responding sound like liberals. We need to do all we can to become energy independent, which includes drilling for oil. The safety standards for drilling oil have increase over the years and not one oil rig spilled oil during Katrina. People you need to take your head out of the sand, I can't keep paying $4.00 per gallon and its just going to keep getting worse unless we start doing something about it.

  • Posted By: morales59 @ 08/01/2008 8:22:57 PM

    Any gains America makes by offshore drilling will surely be offset by OPEC decreasing their supply. It seems the only people that come out ahead are going to be the oil men like BUSH & CHENEY! In order for America to come out ahead and maybe lower our deficit would be for America to Nationalize the oil supply. Corporations and foreigners are raping America of its Natural resources. The Supreme court ruled that cities have the right to take your private property due to emminent domain, it seems that America needs to excercise Emminent Domain over oil!

  • Posted By: morales59 @ 08/01/2008 8:20:59 PM

    Any gains America makes by offshore drilling will surely be offset by OPEC decreasing their supply. It seems the only people that come out ahead are going to be the oil men like BUSH & CHENEY! In order for America to come out ahead and maybe lower our deficit would be for America to Nationalize the oil supply. Corporations and foreigners are raping America of its Natural resources. The Supreme court ruled that cities have the right to take your private property due to emminent domain, it seems that America needs to excercise Emminent Domain over oil!

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 08/01/2008 8:19:53 PM

    Planet Earth Fossil oil drying up soon.Price be frightening in few years ahead!
    We must change, but change as we now reckon it will not suffice. Past notions of change relied on our ability to simply move on to greener pastures. In this world we can always find more of anything if we go far enough, look hard enough and dig deep enough. But the world at the end of the oil road is a place where oil and other resources will barely be available in amounts that keep pace with life???s demands, let alone its luxuries. We will need a philosophy that teaches, not how to do more with less, but how to live with less. We are facing a new paradigm in human existence, and there is no basis for making informed predictions about the results of the end of the oil economy. But as noted petroleum geologists Colin J. Campbell and Jean H. Laherrère put it; ???The world is not running out of oil, at least not yet. What our society does face, and soon, is the end of the abundant and cheap oil on which all industrial nations depend.??? (Campbell, Laherrère 94)

    The end of the oil road will not be the end of the world. Just the end of the world as we know it.

  • Posted By: Donatello @ 08/01/2008 8:11:03 PM

    Of course the hords in California are now opting to support offshore drilling. They refuse to relinquish what they consider to be their God-given right to continue driving gas-guzzling hogs while moaning and groaning about high fuel costs. Heaven forbid that the guilty ones responsible for our foreign oil dependence have to ponder a lifestyle change!
    Granting more offshore drilling leases will make no difference whatsoever. Oil companies have millions of acres already leased to them where they are NOT drilling. Anyone suspect there is an ulterior motive here somewhere? OPEC and our oil companies are staunch supporters of the inefficient, internal combustion engine and the ill-informed.
    The only way we can achieve energy security in this country is to reduce our dependence on oil.

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