China Shouldn’t Be Inscrutable

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  • Posted By: jane lee @ 08/06/2008 10:32:53 AM

    I agree with the writer. I also think the west countries know little about China. When I talked with my foreign classmates about china, they just know china is a big city. In their view, china is still in the old time. The main reason is they cannot get more information about modern china in their own country. You know, most westerns don???t know Chinese. They depend on translation. The translations just introduce the old things which differ china from them greatly. This obstacle results the westerns have misunderstanding about china. When then come to china, they care about china traditional culture. They visit the Forbidden City, the Summer Palace, and the Great Wall in Beijing. They drink douzhier, eat roast duck. They listen the Beijing Opera. No one will sit down and try to understand the new china. The other reason, I think, is the different social system. Some west country have misunderstanding about the china government. Because china has different opinion with west country, some west country regard china is a different one. They just want to change china into their category. It is impossible. So the media maybe mislead the public.
    Compare with the westerns, Chinese people knows well about the west countries. One simple reason is many young people want to know the outside. They learn English well. They get the information directly from the newspaper, magazine or internet. They have no bias on west countries. This is quite different from the west countries.
    China has made great development since 1978. If you come to china, you will find globalization has influence on the social life. China has market economy. China government pay more attention to the citizen???s life. Chinese are satisfied with their life. China government is a responsible government in the world. For example, China has taken a lot of measures to protect the environment. This is part of participation in the world issues.
    If west country could knows china well, the world will get better. Just as Beijing Olympic said: One world, one dream.

  • Posted By: jane lee @ 08/06/2008 10:32:34 AM

    I agree with the writer. I also think the west countries know little about China. When I talked with my foreign classmates about china, they just know china is a big city. In their view, china is still in the old time. The main reason is they cannot get more information about modern china in their own country. You know, most westerns don???t know Chinese. They depend on translation. The translations just introduce the old things which differ china from them greatly. This obstacle results the westerns have misunderstanding about china. When then come to china, they care about china traditional culture. They visit the Forbidden City, the Summer Palace, and the Great Wall in Beijing. They drink douzhier, eat roast duck. They listen the Beijing Opera. No one will sit down and try to understand the new china. The other reason, I think, is the different social system. Some west country have misunderstanding about the china government. Because china has different opinion with west country, some west country regard china is a different one. They just want to change china into their category. It is impossible. So the media maybe mislead the public.
    Compare with the westerns, Chinese people knows well about the west countries. One simple reason is many young people want to know the outside. They learn English well. They get the information directly from the newspaper, magazine or internet. They have no bias on west countries. This is quite different from the west countries.
    China has made great development since 1978. If you come to china, you will find globalization has influence on the social life. China has market economy. China government pay more attention to the citizen???s life. Chinese are satisfied with their life. China government is a responsible government in the world. For example, China has taken a lot of measures to protect the environment. This is part of participation in the world issues.
    If west country could knows china well, the world will get better. Just as Beijing Olympic said: One world, one dream.

  • Posted By: Anju Chandel @ 08/06/2008 4:14:04 AM

    So, after "Inscrutable Indians", now it is "Inscrutable Chinese"!

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/05/2008 11:11:22 PM


    Which is more harmful and vicious to this world ?
    Between a drug labeled with "drug" or a drug labeled with "Candy",
    Between a known propaganda or a propaganda in disguise.
    and beteween the propaganda in China and America.
    The propaganda is known in China and people just don't take it seriously;
    However, the propaganda in America and the west is propaganda in disguise,
    The media are manipulateed by a very small but powerful intrest group in a cunning way,
    That's the ultimate drug will claim your mind and soul,
    Relax, you will not feel the least pain....

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/05/2008 11:10:01 PM


    Which is more harmful and vicious to this world ?
    Between a drug labeled with "drug" or a drug labeled with "Candy",
    Between a known propaganda or a propaganda in disguise.
    and beteween the propaganda in China and America.
    The propaganda is known in China and people just don't take it seriously;
    However, the propaganda in America and the west is propaganda in disguise,
    The media are manipulateed by a very small but powerful intrest group in a cunning way,
    That's the ultimate drug will claim your mind and soul,
    Relax, you will not feel the least pain....

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/05/2008 11:09:50 PM


    Which is more harmful and vicious to this world ?
    Between a drug labeled with "drug" or a drug labeled with "Candy",
    Between a known propaganda or a propaganda in disguise.
    and beteween the propaganda in China and America.
    The propaganda is known in China and people just don't take it seriously;
    However, the propaganda in America and the west is propaganda in disguise,
    The media are manipulateed by a very small but powerful intrest group in a cunning way,
    That's the ultimate drug will claim your mind and soul,
    Relax, you will not feel the least pain....

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/05/2008 11:06:11 PM


    The most nationalists are those who study abroad (me too),not inside china.
    Why?!
    Because the closer you get to the west, the more truth about the west you will find
    -- A mean, greedy, resentful heart under a well dress ....

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/05/2008 11:04:03 PM


    The most nationalists are those who study abroad (me too),not inside china.
    Why?!
    Because the closer you get to the west, the more truth about the west you will find
    -- A mean, greedy, resentful heart under a well dress ....

  • Posted By: superglue @ 08/05/2008 9:35:42 PM

    To the concerned Canadian, get out your butt and do something for yourself and your country and stop whingeing. Why can't you work a bit harder and achieve what others could by sheer hard work. It is people like you that disrupt the harmony of this world. The world does not owe you a living. Get a life, mate!

  • Posted By: chongyeeyap @ 08/02/2008 9:47:04 PM

    "Concerned Canadian" is your typical westerner, who thinks in 18th century terms, that the west controls the world. China was the Middle Kingdom" for 5000 years before Europe was even civilized. Yes for a blip of 100 years in the whole span of world history, China was dominated by foreign forces, but that was then and now is now. We have again emerged as a world power, and yes China has spent US$60 billion to put on the world Olympics of all Olympics. We are all very proud again of our great and magnificient Middle Kingdom in the modern context. What drives the USA & the West mad as hell is to see the People's Republic of China grow from a country that has 600 million people living on less than US$1 (one) per day JUST A MERE 20 years ago INTO world power that threatens the security of the USA in just a mere 20 years. This has never ever happened before in all of history. The China of today is the China of the magnificent and glorious days of the Tang dynasty when China came face to face against an army of the Roman empire. 100 years of foreign domination at a time when China was ruled by a crazy woman is nothing.

    The west thinks in terms of China wanting the endorsement of the USA and the West, that my friend is the illusion that a westerner wants himself to think as such. The S..t..that issues out of the west ? we Chinese ignore with contempt. The west never impressed us at any time at all. It is only the west that wants to think that they impress us.

    The current lopsided trading terms in favour of China should not be difficult to understand and do not need any "western experts" to understand. IN SHORT THE WEST IN THEIR GREED AND FOOLISHNESS PAID THEMSELVES TOO MUCH FOR THEIR LABOUR. This greed that the west thought they could take for themselves has turned the west into a people of "layabouts and lazy". Competitiveness equals low costs per unit of production; the labour in the west is the least efficient therefore it costs too much to produce in the west. You in the west would like to stigmatise China's very efficient labour as "CHEAP" labour, but we like to think of our labour as more efficient labour. It is going to take the west centuries to catch up to China and the East. CHINA HAS ALREADY CAUGHT UP TO THE WEST. If wealth is measured in how much happiness that one can buy, then China has over-taken the west because we do not look to be billionaires, but merely to be a well off society. We already achieved this in just 20 years when China in that brief span LIFTED 400 MILLION CHINESE FROM THE DEPTH OF POVERTY INTO THE RANKS OF A HAPPY PEOPLE WITH ENOUGH TO EAT AND ROOF OVER OUR HEADS. Yes we do not have palatial houses like in Hollywood but we are happy.

    We do not give *** for human rights; which is a western SPIN. We just want a good and happy life for ourselves and that in China of today is already achieved.



    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/05/2008 8:58:39 PM

      To Chongyeeyap: So China has made a lot of progress, we spoiled, greedy westerners are very happy for China, and hope their new found happiness last forever, and that they will use their new technology, ect. for a blessing for themselves, and for all of mankind. The same can be said about other countries, Japan has come a long way, and has now become one of the greatest manufactirers of imported products, including automobiles. They are a smart people and have used their abilities to benefit all of us. We have a good relationship with them, and, also with China, and hope to continue to have. The Chinese people are very capable and we are happy to see them progress, just as we are to see any nation do well. However, if that progress is used to challenge another nation, then, of course, there will be retaliation, so lets hope it never come to that. FyI, read up on your history, and you will learn it was not lazy, arrogant people who founded America, but hardworking men & women, who wanted a better life for themselves & their families than their homeland was offering them; they were brave people who risked danger in an unknown land that, often was hostile, to find peace & freedom, and I for one, will never feel the need to apologize for being a decendant of those people, our ancestors, who left us a wonderful legacy, I will never apologize for being a proud American! We are not intimidated by the success of other nations, we are thrilled to see them do well. We are not going to start a war with anyone, but, neither will we back away from one that challenges us and the freedom we enjoy. What you see as "greed" & "foolishness" is, in reality, a nation of people enjoying the kind of lifestyle which comes with freedom to choose. We worked for what we have, and will not see it trampled on by the likes of angry, mean, jealous morons! Now that China has "arrived", go enjoy it, and we will enjoy it with you-not against you. America is certainly not perfect, nor has it ever claimed to be, but its the damed best on the planet until the perfect one comes along! And for all you plastic Americans out there who would insult our forefathers by giving away all that they left you, or standing by and allowing it to be taken away, I say, either get your heart into America, ot get your ass out of it! Thanks for your time.

  • Posted By: guxiangdeyun @ 08/05/2008 7:40:27 PM

    You are such a terrible person!

  • Posted By: good conscience @ 08/05/2008 12:24:06 PM

    Here's what I think about China. Beyond the obvious facts that it's gorgeous, that it has a history of such magnificence, tyranny, complexity, creativity and unprecedented bloodshed, it is now rising up to take ownership of the 21st century. There are many other countries that don't especially like this, the USA being one of the foremost. But the 20th century was ours, so now it's time for us to move over and give the spotlight to another. China is learning, and quite quickly, that it cannot remain both the world's leading economic power and preserve a hard-line communist regime. Soon, it will forego the latter so that it can develop the former to its highest potential.
    I would like for our two countries to be allies, I believe we both can benefit by it. So, each of us on an individual basis should try to adopt and hold that mindset. If people would stop being afraid and suspicious of everyone else but Americans, there is no limit to what we can achieve together. Long live China and America and India and Brazil and Kuwait and Iraq and Great Britain and Italy and I'm going to quit now because it takes too long to name every country in the world. Thank you.

    • Posted By: Ewin314 @ 08/05/2008 5:09:44 PM

      China taking the ownership of the 21th century is sort of inflated; yes the biggest story might be about China or to be exact about the relations between US and China. If hardliners in China's military force dwindle fast, China has a chance to be on an equal footing with the west in 50 years; otherewise it may take 100 years or even longer. The most important thing is to keep the current world order from being turned upside down by the Western right-wing or left-wing somnambulism--that is so rash and macabre. The voice like yours keeps this world safe and healthy and firm in the face of Hitler's ghost.

  • Posted By: Esvee @ 08/04/2008 11:35:51 PM

    As a Westerner who speaks Chinese and has lived in Shanghai for many years, I agree with most of these insights too.

    Yes, there are problems in China and I like the fact that we, the people, can fire incompetent or corrupt officials in Europe or the US; unfortunately, we often still elect the wrong people.

    Above all though, if you must critisism should be something done and discussed in private. Many of my friends or colleagues here critisize their own gevernment, but they will not do it in a way that causes loss of face.

    The Chinese people rightly take pride in their history and 5000-year old cutlural legacy. Grandstanding and critisizing "China" is taken as a huge slap in the face by most people here, as the distinction between its people and government is not always clear; it is much as someone in the US may take cristism of the current Bush administration as anti-American.

  • Posted By: goodamanda @ 08/04/2008 9:42:38 PM

    As a chinese, I agree with what you said. This is a article about true china.

  • Posted By: goodamanda @ 08/04/2008 9:35:31 PM

    As a Chinese, I agree with what you said. This is a true article.

  • Posted By: Ewin314 @ 08/04/2008 5:02:11 PM

    Mr. Zakaria has actually pointed out two ideologies here in America:

    The old one: A government so called as communist must be toppled with or without the use of US military force (so as to add glory to US as the leader of western democracies);

    The new one: China is our ideological enemy deserving constant public humiliation unless it begins immediately to behave like a western liberal (by giving up its claim on Tibet).

    To soften condemnation from the right-wing conservatives, China should renounce its nominal belief in communism (although it is no long truly beheld), but some communist hardliners (especially some high-ranking generals might rather die than give it up as a failure);

    To soften condemnation from some Western liberals, China might need to give up Tibet, but this would anger the majority of the Chinese people who believe in a historical justification of China???s claim over Tibet.

    In the face of the size of the nation and the pride that the Chinese people take in their long-lasting history and their ability to think clearly, believers of the two above-mentioned ideologies appear as somnambulists, not giving any damn to the maintenance of the current world order.

    The right-wing somnambulists should ask two little questions: Why has US never really threatened to topple the communist Cuba (there was a buzz when the word of Castro???s near death came out), and why has US never formally threatened the North Korea with bombing of its nuclear facilities (even though such a move might gain popular support)?

    Those liberal somnambulists should know that nothing is more ridiculous to the Chinese people if someone thinks that China would please western liberals by giving up Tibet. The world moves on in spite of somnambulism or explodes due to somnambulism that is common-sensibly called ignorant or ideological by Mr. Zakaria.

  • Posted By: morbie5 @ 08/03/2008 8:35:37 PM

    "Republican Sen. Sam Brownback went to Beijing and discovered???surprise!???that the Chinese government engaged in espionage. He fumed to CNN that the authorities could "listen to anybody and everybody and their communications and their recordings." One month earlier the senator had enthusiastically voted for the FISA Amendments Act, which allows the U.S. government to do pretty much the same thing."

    That is such a retarded thing to say. FISA was passed by the legislator and wiretaps need FISA court permission. That is called separation of powers. Does China have that Fareed?

    • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/04/2008 2:52:01 PM

      You want to pick a winner of police state between China and USA?. Just see these from washingtonpost. I have not seen or heard of that in China.
      "Arlington, VA - Searching my BlackBerry?: Why in the world should Customs have the right to search my BlackBerry and laptop files just because I am coming home from being in London on business? ... I have no problem -- at all -- with them fully searching my bags and person. But as I've seen first hand they seemingly have carte blanche to read my e-mails and personal files without a warrant. Some of this stuff is sensitive work materials on an encrypted laptop. But that doesn't matter to them. ... Frankly these Gestapo tactics sound like something we would find in a communist country." (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/travellog/2008/02/it_came_from_the_chat_are_sear.html).

      "Federal agents may take a traveler's laptop computer or other electronic device to an off-site location for an unspecified period of time without any suspicion of wrongdoing, as part of border search policies the Department of Homeland Security recently disclosed.
      Also, officials may share copies of the laptop's contents with other agencies and private entities for language translation, data decryption or other reasons, according to the policies, dated July 16 and issued by two DHS agencies, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html)

    • Posted By: Amma @ 08/04/2008 12:24:39 PM

      This is ignorance on your part. The American intelligence community has been unlawfully spying on its own citizens forever. You have a school book understanding of democracy. I suggest you do a little research on unlawful intelligence practices in the U.S. This is not covered in the media. So you have to dig for it. But, the facts are there.
      I am talking about before the Patriot Act and new legislations that makes it lawful for the U.S. government to seize your laptop with no just cause. Or before there was checkpoints, that do searches for no just cause... btw, do you live in the suburbs.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 08/03/2008 9:29:03 PM

    The author has constantly praised China for having converted several hundred million poor Chinese in the country side into the middle class, but failed to mention the buildup of the super rich class who owns their success to the special connection with the ruling party. The division of rich and poor has been increasing, such that many of the rich have become billionares, the number of which is only second to United States, while the middle class and the poor becomes poorer because of the recent price increases in food and other commondities.

    • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/04/2008 2:48:19 PM

      You are absolutely right. However, are we really better than the Chinese? Our founding father B. Franklin has said famously that our government should be constructed in a way to separate the 3 subjects men love the most: power, money and women. Are we anywhere close to that dream? How about this report from Washingtonpost: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/02/AR2008070203322.html

      It is taxpayers who have shouldered $500 billions in Iraq, however, only a few are harvesting billions. This is only a tip of iceberg.

  • Posted By: politically incorrect @ 08/04/2008 1:32:29 AM

    Why do folks like Zakarias always want America to be ultimately accountable on the world stage, but expect no concessions from countries like China, India, Brazil, and Russia; countries where journalists can get jailed, beaten, or even killed if they were to criticize their own governments the way Zakarias does his?

    Maybe Zakarias should just cross his fingers and keep praying for that "Post-American World" he wants so badly - That way, the news of opposition leaders in Russia being shot dead in the streets and Tibetan dissenters being massacred by Beijing won't get in the way of those countries setting the precedent on the UN Security Council that Zakarias finds so endearing.

    Fareed, were you sick the day they taught the words "human" and "rights" in your Punjabi English class?

    • Posted By: Ewin314 @ 08/04/2008 9:12:39 AM

      Does being politically correct mean taking a nation as an enemy when it is full of corruption but has no plan to challenge the overall world order or Western democracy? Basically China just defends its own mistakes wihout a plan to turn the world into a communist one..

      Mistreatmen of a guy with some faults is far more dangerous than that guy's faults!!!

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