China Shouldn’t Be Inscrutable

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  • Posted By: newtiptop @ 08/04/2008 12:54:19 AM

    as a chiese, i should say that our country is developing towards a more open society than before, and although some problems here and there, since China is big an' long history nation, reforms on any thing should be handled properly and slowly, Chinese people, most of them have same attitude as I have now.

    • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 08/04/2008 8:17:46 AM

      I am sorry you are a cheese. Please try to stay away from hungry mice.

  • Posted By: VGJoseph @ 08/04/2008 5:51:11 AM

    A brilliant article! We need to recognise that every country will be (just like human beings) a mix of the good and the bad. For example, the USA is the power which took in the tired, poor, huddled masses from Europe yearning to breathe free and gave them a new life. It is the country which put defeated Germany and Japan back on their feet. Corporate America???s policies on diversity and anti-harassment are an example to companies all over the world. USA is also the country which invaded Vietnam and Iraq and created Guantanamo. Why shouldn???t China be also a mix of the good and the bad? www.winnowed.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: mnjam @ 08/03/2008 11:13:33 PM

    "The new world might well be the same as the old???the 19th-century world, that is, marked by economic globalization, political nationalism and war." MOST of the 20th century was also "marked by economic globalization, political nationalism and war." The 21st century is and will be the same. Human nature cannot change in a matter of decades or centuries. Significant cultural change takes longer than that as well.

  • Posted By: Earthling @ 08/03/2008 10:49:57 PM

    Great job, Mr. Fareed!! Please keep it up. I always enjoy reading your articles, which are far more objective and insightful than the majority of articles on American magazines that are only fit for narrow-minded domestic consumption. Your articles are usually far more insigtful and demonstrated your thorough knowledege on international affairs, which however may be a bit complicated for some of your more provincial readers to comprehend.

  • Posted By: Earthling @ 08/03/2008 9:44:02 PM

    Great job, Mr. Fareed!! Please keep it up. I always enjoy reading your articles, which are far more objective and insightful on many articles on American magazines that are only fit for narrow-minded domestic consumption. Your articles are usually far more insigtful and demonstrated the thorough knowledege on international affairs, which however may be a bit complicated for some of your provincial readers to comprehend.

  • Posted By: Drstrangelove24 @ 08/03/2008 9:48:32 AM

    How can you use a Pew Research poll in a country that has been raised to give the correct answers when polled. It's called "biaozhun shuyu." Unlike America, there are consequences in China if you decent, ask the thousands of people in prison who strayed from the government line.

    Also, Fareed states that the Chinese people are more aggressive than the government but he ignores the fact that it is the government channeling all the negative energy via their death grip on the media. Anyone who has been in China knows that all the news there tells this story: China is on the up, CCP is good for you (chaos without it!!!), outside world is dangerous and aggressive towards us. Fareed can pussyfoot around the most blatant issues all he wants, but the fact remains this is a government where not one person has been elected by the will of the people. And if you think they don't still adhere to the notion that "power comes from out the barrel of a gun" then just look at their capital punishment records; have you ever seen a video of them doing it? It's scary- gun to the back of the head. But I doubt Fareed, when he hops from nice hotel to nice hotel with his translator- buffered from reality- witnesses these things.

    • Posted By: Earthling @ 08/03/2008 9:36:51 PM

      Drstrangelove24 's respones to Mr. Fareed's article exactly eximplifies the type of ignorance that typical Americans have on China that Mr. Fareed wrote about. What typical American political journalists do is not to report objectively but to find faults and focus all on the negatives on a country of 1.3b people. The typically brainwashed American reader with little knowledge on the outside world would then join the China-bashing band-wagon, thinking that the Chinese but not Americans are brainwashed.

    • Posted By: hwoo7 @ 08/03/2008 11:20:39 AM

      how long have you been in China? have you done some research work in the country, or try to communicate with its people in daily life? i want to know on what basis you put forward your feelings, maybe quotations from a so-called out -of -date scholar?

    • Posted By: ChristianAmerican @ 08/03/2008 10:02:28 AM

      Stop stereotyping people you know little about it. All you know about China is from the propaganda spewed from a handful of Western media controlled by media oligarchs. Please use your brain and think for yourself. How much have you spent on intellectual endeavers (hint: watch sports, celebrity gossip, and right-wing talk-shows are not what I consider intellectual; reading New Yorker and New York Reviews of Books or London Reviews of Books are pretty close...)?

  • Posted By: Ewin314 @ 08/03/2008 6:55:02 PM

    Professor Francis Fukuyama has renounced his affiliation with neo-cons because he sees clearly that the unjustified use of force leads only to chaos and destruction of the present world order still best called as liberal capitalism.

    Professor Fukuyama should be more worried to see the effort made by some Western liberals and activists to take China as a dark force. So the world appears to have a swing towards Robert Kagan???s view of another cold war or a return of history where violence and strong will prevail instead of rationality or rule of laws.

    China has been moving in the right direction in the past 30 years; the Chinese people think so and many clear-eyed Westerners think so. Even Mao 40 years ago had no idea of having a big fight with the west if China was not under attack from the West.

    Of course, there is a dark force in China that flirts with the idea of overthrowing the civilian government and putting China back into the old communism ready to fight with any threats from the west. If this dark force is able to maintain some sanity in the face of neo-cons??? China-bashing yells, it might be deranged by the yells from some Western liberals, which testify well to the inevitability of the clash of civilizations.

    Dear Mr. Zakaria, the world might be turned upside down in ignorance and dangerous ideologies if we are short of the voice like yours. I better understand Bertrand Russell???s remark now that connects Rousseau???s romantic idealism of personal freedom with Hitler???s fascism. I see now a close connection among the current ideology of Free Tibet and a new racism against China and a chaotic world where lives would be lost and liberal capitalism would be turned upside down.

  • Posted By: Drstrangelove24 @ 08/03/2008 12:25:45 PM

    ntent/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103717_pf.html), the government has TEN official stations (CCTV 1-10) and control the content of all others thereby dictating news content by fiat and thus obviously influencing the nation's "aggressiveness."

    No one doubts that China today is ten times better than Mao's China. No one doubts that China's living standards are rising for millions and that is a great thing. But Fareed is using highly questionable tools, such as this poll which, as he notes, leaves out what Chinese people are really worried about- massive corruption and utter destruction of their environment ; also his conclusions about the sentiments of the Chinese people vs. those of the government's either confuses or ignores how much the CCP controls the flow of information and thus those very sentiments he's trying to use as evidence.

    • Posted By: comradeyap @ 08/03/2008 6:18:30 PM

      Hello Dr Strangelove ! Wishful thinking is all that you in the west have control over. China is well pass the status of a 3rd world power. We are today's China and we are what we are, the Middle Kingdom of the 21st century. The west still would like to think of China in 18th century, but that is already wishful thinking.

      The China of this 2008 Olympic Games is only the tip of the China that will emerge from a China that will eventually unite into a truely ONE CHINA 3 SYSTEMS; and that will be a Chinathat will be 3 times the power of China of today's. Watch this space !

    • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/03/2008 5:15:55 PM

      You sounds more brainwashed than those Chinese.

      • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/03/2008 5:21:21 PM

        Plus, if you do not trust the polls done by PEW, why do not you show your data, for example, poll by Drstrangelove24

  • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/03/2008 5:11:11 PM

    This is truly a masterpiece of understanding China. Few people can accurately unveil the complexity of the state of mind of China today. Indeed, Evan Osnos brilliantly captures the complexity of the rise of nationalism in China???simultaneously Western and anti-Western among the educated. Fareed Zakaria pinpoints that we don't know what to make of the views of the Chinese people, who are more aggressive than their government on many issues, including Taiwan and Tibet, and who often seem more anti-American. Let me offer an amateur help on the conclusion. While the Chinese are learning from the West to reclaim their historical status for sure, it is questionable that they want to be an exact replica of the current West. The fate of anti-Western development in China, which is a sure reaction to the unfair and self-righteous China bashing, is in the hand of West again.

  • Posted By: jxl269 @ 08/03/2008 5:07:54 PM

    This is truly a masterpiece of understanding China. Few people can accurately unveil the complexity of the state of mind of today???s China. Indeed, Evan Osnos brilliantly captures the complexity of the rise of nationalism in China???simultaneously Western and anti-Western among the educated. Fareed Zakaria pinpoints that we don't know what to make of the views of the Chinese people, who are more aggressive than their government on many issues, including Taiwan and Tibet, and who often seem more anti-American. Let me offer an amateur???s help on the conclusion. While the Chinese are learning from the West to reclaim their historical status for sure, it is questionable that they want to be an exact replica of the current West. The fate of anti-Western development in China, which is a sure reaction to the unfair and self-righteous China bashing, is in the hand of West again.

  • Posted By: hwoo7 @ 08/03/2008 11:04:03 AM

    use your own knowledge to find the truth rather than be swirled hither and thither by the media. understanding is the prerequisite to make an objective,sensible and meaningful judgement about the others

  • Posted By: hwoo7 @ 08/03/2008 10:59:24 AM

    understanding and proper knowledge about the others can lead to objective and sensible judgement . try to find the truth rather than be swirled here and there by the media.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 08/03/2008 3:38:17 AM

    Well written article but why so much fuss about China? The US is getting unnecessarily paranoid about China that it has to start installing long range missiles in the Balkans on the pretext of countering terrorism from the middle-east. The US is relentlessly though slyly trying to ensure that China is not going to be a superpower. Infact the US has never for a second ruled out China as a threat.

  • Posted By: jakewang @ 08/03/2008 3:30:06 AM

    At first glance, this perky little essay seemed to break some cliches, but unfortunately, it turned out to be just like the same old tune that goes, anything or anyone that disobeys the orders of the U.S. will be smashed or at least, be criticised for "Shortcomings". This man's perspective on China is neither unique nor constructive, and he's been talking about China quite often these days, pretty smart anyway, it's like some Hollywood actress trying to make a fame out of sleep with the superstar...

  • Posted By: jakewang @ 08/03/2008 3:21:35 AM

    It seem to be an essay that breaks the cliche, but the fact is, it's the same old tune goes that anything or anyone that disobeys the orders of the U.S. will be smashed or at least be criticised for "shortcomings". This man's perspectives on China is neither unique nor constructive, he talked a lot about China these days, quite smart anyway, it's like a Hollywood actress sleeping with the superstar and trying to make a fame out of it.

  • Posted By: Faysalg @ 08/03/2008 1:37:58 AM

    Well, I think your article said it all. It is time for us to adjust, and align our self with the new powers, China and India and accept them as allies. this is the time.

    Ali

  • Posted By: Faysalg @ 08/03/2008 1:34:31 AM

    I agree with you, Fareed, with all the things you have said about the old world adjust to the New World.
    If we don't align ourself with the rising powers and don't recongnise them, well, that is going to be a great mistake. Excellent article

    Ali

  • Posted By: heini @ 08/02/2008 5:15:08 PM

    What beats me is the ongoing chant of advocates of global trade in favour of a disaster that has cost the West a good deal of its industry and jobs, increased the price of oil , gas and such basic staples as bread and flour, made dumping look a respectable trade practice and so on. In a word, global trade has made Westerners poorer. and insecure. There is only to hope this madness is brought to an end as soon as possible. What the world needs is rule-based trade, not this free for all..

  • Posted By: svenhanne @ 08/02/2008 4:39:59 PM

    I really agreen with fareed's article.especially considered the most nationalism extremists are those who study abroad,not inside china,Western politicians should think about their policy twice.

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