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  • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/04/2008 1:50:08 PM

    rptm, I'd have to say that your post is quite angrily charged, but for noticeably the wrong reasons. It's just hatefulness about a candidate without much to back it up therein. Then again the same sentiment at an article that was supposed to be about race and observations in the South, quite observant and fair.

    There are too many people these days that push their hate an anger about their own lives and everything into these undeserving outlets. Just a sign of the times I guess.

  • Posted By: markus1976 @ 08/04/2008 11:55:39 AM

    i am so sick of hearing people say, "I won't vote for Obama because Muslim", and when they're shown the OVERWHELMING info to the contrary, they say "I don't care what he says. I still won't vote for him". And yet if anyone suggests these people might actually racist, all hell breaks loose. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

    It breaks my heart that this country that I love is inhabitated by such ignorant, ill-informed, backward scum. And they're stupid enough to believe that the GOP actually care about them. They'll let this country go down the toilet so long as a man with an unusual name, who was born in that foreign country named Hawaii (I actually heard some idiot say that) doesn't take office. Sad.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 12:09:18 PM

      I won't vote for him because he admitted using cocaine for years.

      There is a reason cocaine addicts are thin.

      • Posted By: markus1976 @ 08/04/2008 12:49:00 PM

        first of all, that's bull- he tried it as a teenager, that's it.

        secondly, I take it you didnt vote for Bush for the same reason, since he used it recreationally back in the day, right?


        you're gonna have to do better than that, pearsoncrz...

        • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 1:48:53 PM

          He wrote about using cocaine and then in reference to using cocaine said, "As I look back on those YEARS" -- a time period he subsequently confirmed when confronted by a reporter after he had tried to intimate that he had only experimented with mj as a teen.

          This wasn't experimentation, it was use. Go read the passage again.

          And although I didn't vote for Bush either, there was no proof, and he denied it. And like Bush, there are many reasons I do not trust Obama.0

          On the issue of his cocaine use, Obama reports it in his book as though it was not a big deal, as though it is such a common thing that no one should care.

          I care. Yes, people recover from addiction and lead normal lives, but being POTUS is not normal, and there are plenty of more experienced, better candidates who have not used cocaine for years. I will not vote for one that did.

      • Posted By: vogelk2 @ 08/04/2008 1:35:11 PM

        For one he did not use it for years and two you probably voted for George W. Bush (a known Cocaine user and alcoholic). What? I am justt saying what you already probably knew.

      • Posted By: Mackhenry739 @ 08/04/2008 12:28:46 PM

        Wasn't President George W. Bush also a cocaine user?

  • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 08/04/2008 1:08:31 PM

    Despite popular opinion my feelings have NOTHING to do with Obama's race. If you looked at both candidates resumes not knowing either man personally, never having set eyes on them, who do you feel is better QUALIFIED to run this country. I don't agree with everyhting George Bush has done, but he isn't reason for every problem we are having either. He didn't create the sub-prime mess, remember ENRON under Clinton and the fact that he DIDN'T kill Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance. Every President has made mistakes and I certainly don't vote for the incoming President because I am trying to get back at the current adminstration. It is about qualifications and experience people. Simple as that. Despite what you would like to believe, race has nothing to do with it.

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/04/2008 1:48:05 PM

      to sdhdavis: I have looked at the policies of both Obama and McCain (although it is truly difficult to find McCain's) and Obama, by far, has the best plans for the future of our country. He is just as qualified as McCain and owes fewer people than McCain who has built a long list of people he owes for helping him with all of his elections. Obama talks about the issues while McCain talks about Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. I want a candidate who is taking this election seriously - not one who is stooping to the level McCain is because he truly has nothing else to say. McCain served this country well in uniform and we should honor him for that but, that doesn't make him qualified to be president.

    • Posted By: UpperTibby @ 08/04/2008 1:34:31 PM

      The Lord our God will jugde all this hate, racists around the world. If you are truely a Christian the there is no differences between Black or White. It just goes to show that there are alot of evil Men and Woman in the South......

  • Posted By: kenlviste @ 08/04/2008 10:19:14 AM

    I am an Obana supporter bur I think race will be big in many peoples minds. McCain eagerly jumpend on the race bandwangon to exploit Obama's remark that he didn't look like the presidents on paper money. Racisim works. The other strike against Obama is "Big Oil" While McCain has kowtowed to the oil industry on off shore drilling which he opposed a while ago, Obama has favored taxes on oil profits. Since the Supreme Court ruled that freedom of speech is proportional to wealth, an oilmen's power is as much as millions of working class voters.

    • Posted By: jfmccann @ 08/04/2008 1:46:43 PM

      Obama should learn to keep his mouth shut. He started the racist mess.

    • Posted By: hecaba @ 08/04/2008 1:13:19 PM

      kenlviste sounds like you are not aware that Obama said on Friday that he would consider offshore drilling in Florida. My biggest problem with him has nothing to do with race it has to do with his socialist policies and politically expediant (read say what ever will get him elected) attitude. It is time for us to get back to the Priorities of Govenment and cut the fluff. The house and senate have taken their summer break and not one budget has yet been passed. Then they haven't actually had a budget for two years.
      http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html

  • Posted By: bootz @ 08/04/2008 1:42:29 PM

    I'm 75.I grew up in okla in a very southern family.My mother's great grandfather had 5 sons . Allwer in the confederate army. Only 2 survived the war. My father's maternal grandfather was in the 1st VA volunteers wo covered lee's retreat to Appomatax.He was 15.I was born a Democrat aand everybody in my Mother's family and in my fathers mothers family were born Democrats, whether they were cconservativ33e , liberal or indifferentt.Later my education, experiences, and naturaliclinations made me a liberaal democrat. But it wasn't my intellect that made me a Democrat with a big D, it was " The War".I suppose there must be a few Vestigal Democrats like me scattered throughout the south-- and the rest of the country- who predate or have rejected the mass conversion of white Southerners to the GOP.But we tend to be left out of te analysis of experts wo study the Southern political scene.

  • Posted By: Forthright @ 08/04/2008 1:40:57 PM

    I was born in the North and raised in the South. I make less than 20k a year and hold a degree. I live in the South still, and on alternate days I'm both proud and scared shitless. When I look at Obama I see a man that I can't trust... and not because of his religious beliefs, or his color. Purple Jew, Orange Christian, Blue Hindu or Green Muslim, I don't care, just so long as they have a rational sense of right and wrong.

    But I see none of those things when I consider Obama -- I see an intelligent, ambitious human being, a creature that knows what to say in order to achieve its ends, and I can't simply blind myself and hope that his ends will benefit me.

    Still, I consider McCain, also an intelligent and ambitious human. One who is more likely to continue on the path that Bush has tried to clear, using the blood of Americans and foreigners both as his machete. In this case, I'm going to go with the possibility of evil, rather than the one I've seen reign for 8 years.

  • Posted By: CoastalGal @ 08/04/2008 1:30:07 PM

    First of all, theres only about 3 people on this blog who have actually said something worth writing, who actually understand the problem or stayed with the issue. Kudos to you 3. Most of these comments have been insulting, and largly ignorant of sticking to the facts and / or don't have a clue. I have lived on both coasts East and West and have traveled throught the south. Racism exists everywhere, here and internationally. In california you see this in all the districts you go thru, even when they are next door to each other, literally. In the Northeast it's just more subtle, but trust me it's there. I hitched cross country 20 yrs. ago from east to west via the southern rte., being it was january. It was an eye opener. My friend and I, both white, male and female got a ride from a black truckdriver traveling our way and we stopped @ a diner. The comments we heard as we were trying to eat our breakfast unnerved my male friend so much he took his breakfast outside to our ride. This was the early 80's. Traveling thru the south was like going back in time. When southerners say they don't want anyone telling them what to do, does that include the mass murdering of innocent men, woman and children for no other reason than race, creed or color? No one is trying to tell anyone what to do, southern or otherwise as long as your beliefs do noy infringe on the right of other HUMAN BEINGS in their pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The fact that the citizens of a certain county do not want to turn in prominant so called founders of their community for COLD BLOODED MURDER speaks volumes. And just to be fair the so called New England blue bloods are no better, they are trying desperately to keep their precious corrupt Mayflower power and the rest of us suck dirt. McCain is a BUSH PUPPET. If you want 4 more yrs. of the same crap, by all means vote for him. I totally agree w/ Dr. Root, Sueadams and Markus1976. Holmeed you had a good point up until you started talking about killing every southern man, woman and child, that was uncalled for and totally unnecessary and ignorant because there are alot of good southern people I've met in my travels.

    • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 08/04/2008 1:39:16 PM

      You talk about facts. You can call McCain a lot of things, but a Bush puppet I don't think so. Take a look at his TOTAL voting record and you will find them crossed on SEVEAL issues, but those of you supporting Obama don't like that to be pointed out. It suits your purpose to paint him as a Bush clone because Obama is light on experience and qualifications. I agree let's stick with the facts. There are more issues in question here then the Iraq war and where we drill for oil. This is a complex country with a complex set of problems and I certainly don't want another inexperienced individual at the helm. We've had one President that had to depend on his advisors to make decisions. I don't want another one.

  • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/04/2008 1:39:01 PM

    I was born in North Carolina and now live in the Midwest. The undercurrent of racism is just as bad in the Midwest as it ever was in the South. I am white and female and am working hard to help Barack Obama get elected. Intelligent people, wherever they are, look at the person and his plans - not his color. Those who are turned off by his color will try to say he is Muslim (which we all know is not true), or point to his middle name - which he of course did not choose, to find a way not to vote for him. But, those who care about this country and who want it to return to the greatness it held before George Bush will give him a chance to make the changes we need to regain our status as a great country. To those who let his race dominate the election, how sad that ignorance is outweighing what is good for our country.

  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 1:38:50 PM

    sallie J, you have no clue do you? Woe is me, Southerners my friend have always been known to come together and handle things on there own. Evidently you and others have no clue than Miss, after Katrina waited on no one. They began the next day coming together, clearing debris, working on their houses, feeding one another, handing out aide. Your comments are delusional. Same as here in Mobile, Alabama. We did not ask for anything, we did it on our own. Sallie I can only hope and pray that god forbid you had a disaster would you have the same work ethic and tenacity as southerners.

  • Posted By: margaretfor1 @ 08/04/2008 1:37:43 PM

    I wonder if someday, someone will worry about the great injustice our country has done to its native americans. This country stole their land, took their pride, and murdered them. If that were not enough, they put them on reservations, and said they didn't have sense enough to drink liquor. When I think of this tradegy, I really can't focus on any other group of people who have been more mistreated.

  • Posted By: PutTheLotionInTheBasket @ 08/04/2008 1:37:05 PM

    THE TOM BRADLEY EFFECT.....
    Obama simply cannot win. Too much is known about him now, especially the list of all his pals. Despite all of the ultra left-wing socialist weeping and hand wringing, here's EXACTLY what WILL happen on election day (and you know in your heart that it's true): It won't matter one iota what people have told pollsters. It won't matter at all if Obama and his socialist coven, Nancy Lugosi etc., are up by 10% on the last day. The Sheeple smile and tell pollsters what pollsters want to hear because the Sheeple have had PCness pounded into them for the last forty years. But as sure as God made green apples they're going to step into those voting booths and they're going to think about Rev. Wright, Obama's wife, the O.J. trial, Al Sharpton, Marion Barry, the Shabaz Fish Shop, the murders and rapes in cities, and recently near colleges, on the TV news, the behavior of the Katrina crowd when Texas took them in and gave them shelter, the L.A. riots, the Miami riots, Cops, America's Most Wanted, the Bloods, the Crips, Ludicris, not feeling safe when they take their families to the movies at night, and they're going to punch the chad for......McCain. They will prefer bland McCain to Obama and ultra left-wing socialism and the prospect of the USA becoming Haiti in four short years. End of story.

  • Posted By: needsstuff @ 08/04/2008 1:36:19 PM

    Is there anyone else out there that's as sick unto death of all the political wrangling, mud slinging & back stabbing as I am? I don't give a rat's a _ _ who the next president of the United States is. Who cares? We The People of the United States don't elect the president anyway. The electoral college does. Whom ever it is, they sure as hell can't do any worse than the retard that's put this country in the hot mess that it's in now. We're the laughing stock of 3rd world countries now. I am so done with all politicians it isn't even funny. They are all a bunch of liars & crooks. They will promise you anything to get elected. QUESTION: How can you tell if a politician is lying? ANSWER: His lips are moving.

  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 1:35:33 PM

    coastal gal, your comments started out good then you brought us thru some time warp to a roaming story about you riding with a black truck in the 1980's, Im sure most readers like me could not follow your ramblings. In addition, Coastal those are "your" opinions, which you are intitled to. However, they are just not shared by 50% of the country, mainly the south.

  • Posted By: moorebuilder @ 08/04/2008 1:33:52 PM

    Unfortunately, this piece assumes the pretension that it is more important, though provoking and newsworthy than it actually is. Interesting, yes - groundbreaking, no.

  • Posted By: moorebuilder @ 08/04/2008 1:31:58 PM

    I have lived in both the south and the midwest for years. The same questions that the author implies exist solely in the south exist in both places, and the danger is that any questioning of an Obama presidency smacks of racism. Unfortunately, this piece seems to pretend to be more newsworthy, thought provoking and important than it actually is.

  • Posted By: kellyruff74 @ 08/04/2008 1:23:37 PM

    I think people dont understand and tend to underestimate the mindset of the South. People in the South are headstrong and strong-willed. I happen to see this as a quality rather than having detrimental effects. In this election we have politicians with two very different agendas. People in the South allow logic to outweigh political rhetoric. The following questions come into play: How will gas prices be affected if we leave Iraq early? Who is going to pay for a national healthcare system? Taxpayers? What are we going to do about the burden created on our court system, health care system. and education system by illegal immigrants ? These are legitimate issues; and we are going to pick the candidate that best adresses these issues. Skin color and the Civil War are not issues to the majority of southerners. We just want what is best for the UNION. Logic simply outweighs rhetoric to us! kjr

    • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 08/04/2008 1:30:27 PM

      Amen! I totally agree!

  • Posted By: Hokeypokie3336 @ 08/04/2008 1:27:37 PM

    No HOLMEED I think you meant exactly what you said. Or am I suppose to hear what you mean and not what you say? That is one problem with liberals. They say something and when they are called on it they change their story. I can not even begin to list the things Obama has said only to change his comment when it caused an issue with the American public. I believe you, HOMEED, are EXACTLY the same type of person that would kill countless nubmers of people to achieve your socialistic and liberalistic views. We are no longer a country united but a country of liberal versus conservative. It is sad that article like this one just perpetuate this divide. I know my history HOMEED and I see your attitude in every human castastrophy. Every movement that doomed millions to death or poverty. READ YOUR HISTORY HOLMEED!

  • Posted By: ssbn777 @ 08/04/2008 1:26:13 PM

    Let's not forget that blacks supporting Obama are 100% justified, even if they are not familiar with his voting records or policies. Whites that are against Obama, however, are racist, and a "problem", and something needs done about them. How dare they!

  • Posted By: elyhim @ 08/04/2008 12:50:09 PM

    sdhdavis, funny I didn't get anything like that from him. Try reading his books or listen to C-SPAN of his speeches. I also have found him to be consistant on message.

    • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 08/04/2008 1:24:16 PM

      Remember California?

  • Posted By: ProudHeritage @ 08/04/2008 12:50:22 PM

    Why do so many Yankees, etc move to our beloved South? If you hate us and our ways go back from where ever you came!!! We believe in traditions, family values, independence, not government handouts, and not government intervention in our days lives. Obama scares me to death, for I remember the days of the Weathermen and Obama calls people of this persuasion his friends. I have only mentioned one scary thing about Obama!

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/04/2008 12:58:54 PM

      Yes, many Churches in the South seem to be promoting untruths about Obama - that he's secretly a foreigner, an Arab, a Muslim, despite what he claims; that he's going to take over the country and bring in the Arabs, etc.

      Nobody "hates" the South and Yankees love it because of the booming economy. This article is about Soutbern culture and "discomfort" with a change ticket headed by a Black man, where most of the Southern states switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican back in the days of Civil Rights - out of protest for the Civil Rights Act.

      We don't love you, either - and you're going to have to get used to having a Black US President - he's not a foreigner, he's not a Muslim, he's not a conspirator against the US - he's a brilliant, intelligent leader with a very smoothly run campaign who appeals to the most of the entire world as our next US leader, and to most of us here in this *OUR* country too.

      OBAMA '08

      • Posted By: sdhdavis @ 08/04/2008 1:22:45 PM

        Talk about promoting untruths! Which churches? Do you live in the South? We don't have problem with a change ticket, we just want someone with some experience. Get real. Just because the world loves him doesn't mean he is a good leader. Why is everyone so impressed with the superficial. For you it's all about race isn't it? Why can't you say a brilliant, intelligent leader without pointing out his race. Is your impression of him being brilliant and intelligent more impressive because he's black. If so that is truly sad. My observations aren't based on race why are yours? And yankees call Southerners bigots!

    • Posted By: markus1976 @ 08/04/2008 12:57:43 PM

      why do you continue to perpetuate that LIE????

      oh, wait...no need to say it, I already know WHY....

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