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  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 12:27:11 PM

    mr. kaiser,

    your quote"the south is america's pakistan", see thats the most ignorant comment I have ever heard. Sir, if you were in Pakistan you would a) not have internet access b) be living in a hut living on $2 a week c) be killed or imprisoned for your opinion, so lets be real sir. Please get off the train to dilusionville.

  • Posted By: Hokeypokie3336 @ 08/04/2008 12:27:01 PM

    Holmeed is what to expect from Socialist Liberals. Sounds kind of like the Nazi regime, doesn't it? Vote liberal and you can kill all the "EVIL BASTARD" southern Republicans too.

  • Posted By: holmeed @ 08/04/2008 12:26:42 PM

    hokeypokie you are 100% correct. Remember what Ford said:

    "People get the government they deserve" anarchy is coming people

  • Posted By: holmeed @ 08/04/2008 12:25:42 PM

    Socialism? You are ignorant. Its a PLUTOCRACY in America. This is everything our forefathers were against. 2% of mostly corrupt, priviledged crooks owning everything. I would rather have real communism than an oligarchy and plutocracy like here. Hey have it your way. Crime will keep rising. The privileged in their gated communties will have stay in them. BLAME BUSH VOTERS FOR DESTROYING AMERICA

    And remember ..those who live by the sword....you die by it idiots.. The south ruined America 3 times now. We should of just killed every last man, woman and child after the civil war..... EVIL BASTARDS

  • Posted By: holmeed @ 08/04/2008 12:24:38 PM

    Socialism? You are ignorant. Its a PLUTOCRACY in America. This is everything our forefathers were against. 2% of mostly corrupt, priviledged crooks owning everything. I would rather have real communism than an oligarchy and plutocracy like here. Hey have it your way. Crime will keep rising. The privileged in their gated communties will have stay in them. BLAME BUSH VOTERS FOR DESTROYING AMERICA

    And remember ..those who live by the sword....you die by it idiots.. The south ruined America 3 times now. We should of just killed every last man, woman and child after the civil war..... EVIL BASTARDS

  • Posted By: kaiservonppants @ 08/04/2008 12:22:43 PM

    Racism plays a part for both sides in southern politics. It hasn't been cool though to court white rasist during elections since the sixties. On the other hand Obama owes his win in the south to his precieved blackness. But we still shouldnt forget the homophobic, zenophobic, misogynist elements two. the south is Americas Pakistan, a hold out of ignorent religious fanatics. Black and white.

  • Posted By: Mackhenry739 @ 08/04/2008 12:21:16 PM

    As is almost always the case, when the author as well as Earl and Mele Black talk about what Southerners think or want they are really referring to white Southerners. The other Southerners are invisible and matter only insofar as they impinge on the white presence. Therein lies the core of the problem, the elephant in the room.

  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 12:21:11 PM

    hahaha, see its great. You (i mean all non-southerners) only see people that dont agree with us as ignorant. People in the south we are open hearing others out at least. If you feel a certain way then go for it. Thats what makes this countrey great. My family has served this country militarily in many forms just so that you can have this opinion. However, many liberals or northerners cant fathom that southerners feel they way they do and that they must just be ignorant. When in reality we just stick to our beliefs and traditions and we dont like to bge told how to feel or what we should believe in, especially someone we cant relate to. The issues southerners relate to and the issues the rest of the country relate to are just different. Ask any true southerner and they will tell you. Yes, there are some liberal thinking southerners, however, they are greatly outnumbered. It would be like me going to New York or San Francisco and wondering why no one agrees with me. Its just our way of life and we love America but dont tell us how we should feel, vote or think.

  • Posted By: REA49 @ 08/04/2008 12:19:34 PM

    I can hear it now... If Obama wins in November, the news media will say it is because our nation no longer sees color or race, we have all united now. Racism is over.
    BUT.. if Obama loses, these same news writers will proclaim Obama lost because of the ignorant white rednecks who are still racists. and voted against him simply because he is black.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 10:47:09 AM

    This article relies on a lot of stereotypes about southerners, without much basis in fact. The south has changed. The problem is that Obama's efforts to get blacks to vote for him because he is black, and to characterize those who criticize or oppose him as racists -- because, after all, how could they complain about his positions on policy or his outstanding record of accomplishments (LOL) -- has caused racism to rear its ugly head again. We haven't had those problems with local elections, and many African Americans have been elected not only to local, but to state and national positions from the south.

    • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/04/2008 11:30:45 AM

      There is no need for fact to state the obvious about race in the south. It is a big problem society wise. A majority will not vote for Obama simply based on his skin color. Plain and simple. And that is referring to white people. He doesn't have to work for the black vote. That would be a waste of time since he already has that on lock. He has never talked down on racism. He hasn't said he would change policy because something supports a bigoted cause. Racism is racism. It has always existed and always will. Just because a black man gets elected, doesn't mean it will change. If a black man runs 50 years from now and has 30 years of service as a senator and an unblemished record, people will vote against him simply because he is black. They will use the same tactics that are being used today. There won't be any "change." People are so set in their ways that this country will continue to support this same old ideaolgy that only white people can run things. Everyone else needs to settle for less and we'll be so perfect we can pass all this off as "non-race" issues. It's a tired excuse.

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 12:16:36 PM

        See, this is the problem with Obama supporters, they refuse to believe there is any reason to doubt or criticize the man, so it must be racism that leads others to vote for someone else.

        Obama has not accomplishments to his name, not one thing he can point to as his own. He only claims credit for the work of others. And he will change his position if he thinks it is politically advantageous, as he has done on offshore drilling. And he votes to pay off his financial supporters, like his recent vote on FISA (another flip flop by the way) that gave his communications industry bundlers retroactive immunity from lawsuits by their customers for violations of their civil and Constitutional rights.

        It isn't because he is black, it's because he is not trustworthy. How can anyone believe they know where he stands on any issue? He borrowed most of his platform from HRC so she couldn't beat him on the issues in the primary, and only now says that FL and MI should get their votes, when it seems to late for the superdelegates to change their minds and select her as the nominee.

        And he has no commitment to the positions HRC was taking, as indicated by his email to all of us long time democrats asking for our input int what his platform should be for the GE --- or was that a lie too??? I doubt if he cares one whit what I think. His campaign is all about mass media influence.

  • Posted By: d4rodeo @ 08/04/2008 12:13:23 PM

    Sue is correct. The Democrats, who ARE the ones in power and have been since the last election, have delivered us into this mess just as they always have. We live in a Democracy and they want us to live in a Soclialist society. Make no mistake about who the enemy is. Mrs. Pelosi of California and Democrats (soclialists) like her need to be deported. By the way, don't site Bill Clinton as a source for Democrats and good ecomony. Remember, the Republicans controiled the Senate and the House during those times.

  • Posted By: Hokeypokie3336 @ 08/04/2008 12:13:03 PM

    Flawboy has it right. I can't think of any Southern stereotype that this author left out. I have lived in Tennessee for the past 20 years. I grew up in Indiana and spent 20 years there. Indiana is FAR more racially divided than Tennessee. I enjoy the South precisely BECAUSE some of those stereotypes NOT mentioned by the author. A fierce independence, self reliance, wanting a governement that does not dictate every move you make. The South did not fight the civil war to keep slavery legal. If fought to keep the federal governent OUT of our business. Why do so many "educated" journalist forget this (or choose to ignore it). Now Southerners are fighting the same fight. They don't want liberal socialism to pick there pockets and tell them how they are going to feel about every single issue. They are tire of big government. I am an educated, white, ethnically-integrated marriged, 40 something American who has never felt more accepted or safe in the South. The only place I have felt as safe is California and I don't have to put up with Socialist craming their ideology down my throat. THis election is close because neither Democrats NOR republicans get that people are sick and tired of the governement trying to run every aspect of our lives. Stealing our money to make themselves rich. Fighting over issues of morallity instead of letting Americans make up their own minds what is moral. But ;this election is close mainly because beyond the rhetoric, both parties are only out for their own financial betterment and Americans have figured it out.

  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 12:12:48 PM

    well like i said before the story is about the election not the south. Please dont try to intertwine the two. In regards to Ms. Sue Adams your comments are exactly whats wrong with the country. Because not everyone believes in what you do or like you then in your eyes they must be ignorant and they should be ignored or bullied. Ms. Adams your virulent stance only distances America and it only shows me more why I feel the way i do today.

  • Posted By: jerzyboy349 @ 08/04/2008 12:11:02 PM

    Once again the leftist media establishment wants us to believe that if we reject Obama it is purely because of his race and not because of his total weakness and inadequacy as an individual candidate running for the highest office of the land. This will surely create a backlash in favor of McCain by November.

  • Posted By: Hokeypokie3336 @ 08/04/2008 12:10:20 PM

    Flawboy has it right. I can't think of any Southern stereotype that this author left out. I have lived in Tennessee for the past 20 years. I grew up in Indiana and spent 20 years there. Indiana is FAR more racially divided than Tennessee. I enjoy the South precisely BECAUSE some of those stereotypes NOT mentioned by the author. A fierce independence, self reliance, wanting a governement that does not dictate every move you make. The South did not fight the civil war to keep slavery legal. If fought to keep the federal governent OUT of our business. Why do so many "educated" journalist forget this (or choose to ignore it). Now Southerners are fighting the same fight. They don't want liberal socialism to pick there pockets and tell them how they are going to feel about every single issue. They are tire of big government. I am an educated, white, ethnically-integrated marriged, 40 something American who has never felt more accepted or safe in the South. The only place I have felt as safe is California and I don't have to put up with Socialist craming their ideology down my throat. THis election is close because neither Democrats NOR republicans get that people are sick and tired of the governement trying to run every aspect of our lives. Stealing our money to make themselves rich. Fighting over issues of morallity instead of letting Americans make up their own minds what is moral. But ;this election is close mainly because beyond the rhetoric, both parties are only out for their own financial betterment and Americans have figured it out.

  • Posted By: Kim Park @ 08/04/2008 12:08:18 PM

    The holocaust of slavery? HAHAHA what a fool. This is just sensationalist journalism. Please stop trying to revise history.

  • Posted By: mlew @ 08/02/2008 10:22:00 PM

    I find it particularly offensive that Mr. Dickey alludes to southern people hiding their bigotry behind Islam. I am a southerner and I try to look at the big picture. Having said that, when I look at the world as a whole, I read in our media and foreign media about many countries that hate the US. Even those that proclaim to be our allies are reported by the media to hate the US. I also read that "muslim" run countries are degrading to their women and are in constant turmoil about something. I also read that death means more to them than life. I have read the Quran and found it to also put women on a lower level than men. Like it or not, Senator Obama comes from this type of background and will affect his decision making as a potential president. I have a real problem with my conscience voting for a candidate who has ties to this type of government and that the world who hates us CANNOT WAIT for us to elect. Does this not give anyone else pause? In answer to Mr. Dickey's allegation that the south does not want to elect Senator Obama because of his color, I read from our media that Senator Obama's heritage is actually middle eastern, strangely enough the same people who want to obliterate the West because they do not have the same belief system ( a direct affront to the reason America was founded). In closing, many southerners could get on the Colin Powell bandwagon if he would only run for president. There is a man that acts respectfully toward America...and contrary to Mr. Dickey's assessment, we don't give a #### that he is black!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/03/2008 8:32:48 PM

      Obama doesn't have a "Middle Eastern" background. He spent most of his childhood and later adolescence in Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S.A. His foreign experience comes from his mother moving to Indonesia when he was six; he was there until he was ten.

      Indonesia isn't anywhere near the Middle East. It's a group of islands just north of Australia. And it has a majority Muslim population, but it's not a Muslim state nor are people there required to follow Muslim law. It has large populations of Protestants, Roman Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, and Confucians in addition to Muslims. And generally, it's not a country particularly known for mistreatment of women.

      Honestly, I can't figure out why conservatives are so up in arms over this. Indonesia's legal system is much more akin to modern conservative principles than liberal ones, particularly its drug laws and social norms. I just think people don't know the facts or anything about the situation.

      • Posted By: jdl51 @ 08/04/2008 12:05:55 PM

        Why can't you actually do some research on your own instead of propagating the lies of the right? His mother was christian, his grandparents were christian. He never knew his father at all. He spent less than four years in Indonesia as a child but was raised in Hawaii by his mother and then his grandparents. If he is muslim why isn't he muslim? He has always attended christian churches, married in a christian church, daughters are baptized in a christian church. This is a false argument that is made to appeal to your bigotry. Being a muslim in the black community is not unusual and he could have been muslim if he wanted to. If he was a muslim he could not or would not attend a christian church anymore than you would attend a mosque, yet claim you're christian. The underlying message here beneath the bigotry is that he's so sneaky that he's actually a closet muslim just to fool us. Well, the right is so good at ferreting out everyone's hidden agendas like they did with GWB and his supposedly "conservative" agenda that's brought this country to the brink of ruin and yet the right wants to continue these same policies and the only way to do that is to spread lies and rumors about the opposition. Same old policies, same old tactics. And you wonder why people want change.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 10:40:27 PM

      Well said.

      I am not from the south, but I am appalled at this article and many others like it in Newsweak. I knew this one was another hit piece simply based on the picture they chose to run with it. How many photo's do you suppose they had to choose from? Instead they pick an unflattering picture of two senior citizens; a new low even for the horde of Obamabots that run Newsweak.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 12:59:36 AM

        I couldnt agree with you more about the picture they chose to use. I was thinking the same as you and mlew were and I, too, am not from the south. If I was, I would have been offended.

  • Posted By: SuperEffective @ 08/04/2008 12:02:38 PM

    Colin Powell lied to us all.

  • Posted By: Flawdaboy @ 08/04/2008 11:51:33 AM

    It is obvious that the so called "reconstruction" carried out by the "victors" fully ignored the causes for the southern states to seceed. The southern states wanted to be free from control by those who are not from their area or had their interestes in mind, sending in an occupation force was what they feared the most. The racist ideas of the time were not relegated to the south, but during the reconstruction period they were expanded as the Freedmans Bureau forced newly freed slaves to vote republican which angered the white residesnts. Everything went bad from there and the South has had the stains on its hands ever since. There were more lynchings in the state of Indiana than some southern states like Arkansas, Florida, and Virginia during the latter half of the 1800s and into in the 1930s. The civil war was not fought by slave owners to keep their slaves but by regular people who wanted to be free to do what they choose. There were even slaves and freed blacks who willingly went to war and gave their lives for the south, this article just keeps the stereotype going. Racists are everywhere, the media just likes to have a southern accent on it for show.

  • Posted By: tubette @ 08/03/2008 1:46:17 PM

    It is amazing that many think a well educated black man is "uppity" and would rather vote for a man who barely made it through college. The people that are so upset with his church probably haven't read his books
    or listened to him speak. The country has let right wing commentators pit us against each other when in reality we should all be wanting the same things, peace, a good economy, healthcare and opportunities.

    • Posted By: misterharban @ 08/03/2008 2:34:16 PM

      There are also those among us who can distinguish between believing a well educated black man is "uppity" because he is black and well educated and believing a well educated black man being "arrogant" because he is, in fact, being arrogant. There are those, like me, who have listened to him speak and have read his books and simply elect to disagree with him. There are also those among us who will continue to brand everyone who disagrees with him as a bigot or racist.

      • Posted By: mbailiff @ 08/03/2008 3:18:26 PM

        I agree. My problem with Obama is not his ethnicity but my belief that he is not ready to be president and that he is not the person I want as President and Chief. I want someone with Gravitas, I want a mind at work and someone who is curious about the world around them. I want someone who geuninely wants to lift up this great country and make the USA a better place for everyone. I have a hard time believing that Obama genuinely believes what he preaches in his great oratorical speeches in packed stadiums. I find it hard to believe anything he says because his speeches sound so phoney and well rehearsed. Obama does not sound like he is doing anything but repeating well rehearsed phrases given to him by talented speech writers. I don't trust someone who has to constantly go back to a podium after a speech and say "What I meant was..." and then contradicts everything he said in the first speech. I want a real person to stand up and say this is what I believe and what I want. I want the next president to have firm beliefs and I would love it if they disagreed with me on some issues and stood up and said "This is why.... and I am not going to change my mind just to score some cheap points with those who disagree with me." I want a real person for president and I am disappointed that I will not have a chance in this election to do anything more than vote for the lesser of two evils.

        • Posted By: jdl51 @ 08/04/2008 11:33:57 AM

          Didn't vote for GWB by any chance, did you? He is the complete opposite of BO and it seems that is your preference. If you go back and listen to GWB's campaign speeches and promises I don't think he actually did anything he said he was going to do. Honor and integrity, humble foreign policy, swore to protect the Constitution, etc. etc. Although he did manage to add $5 trillion to our national debt, practically destroyed the U.S. military, ruined our reputation around the world, gave the green light to 15 million mexican illegals, tripled fuel prices, prevented regulation of the mortgage industry and all with the help of the republican rubber stamp congress in case you think he did it all by his lonesome. And now McCain comes along and promises to continue the same policies which are almost bringing us to our knees today. Excuse me for wanting to look in the other direction for a change because I really don't think we could do any worse than we have for the last 8 years.

          • Posted By: mbailiff @ 08/04/2008 11:49:59 AM

            I did not vote for GW I have always voted for the democrat because the democratic platform most closely reflects my beliefs. I am more of a centrist than a left leaning democrat. I do not like the beliefs of the far left or the far right. Obama is trying to appeal to both the far left, the center, and the far right while McCain is kissing the a** of the far right in order to get their money just like GW. I am more liberal on social issues and more conservative on ecconomic issues, unfortunately I think that both the liberals and the conservatives have lost their way. The republicans used to be for conservative fiscal spending and the democrats used to be very strong on social issues. Now the republicans spend more tax dollars than the democrats and the democrats are walking around campaigning with the likes of Chuck Hagel R-NE. Chuck Hagel who voted to ban late term abortion even if the mothers life was in danger. That stance does not reflect a great respect for human life but an at all costs stance against abortion that is ridiculous in it's absurdity. Obama should not surround himself with bad people in order to appeal to republicans on the far right.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/03/2008 9:27:21 PM

          Though I'm an Obama supporter, I want to commend you for standing up for what you believe in. A great number of the people who are attempting to destroy the man's credibility could learn a lot from the kind of opposition you have - based in reason, not anger or prejudice. I support Obama and support his candidacy wholeheartedly - but I also support comments like yours that quietly yet firmly stand up for your own principle. Thank you for bringing civility and politeness to this important national debate.

          • Posted By: mbailiff @ 08/04/2008 9:57:12 AM

            Thank You! I too plan to vote for Obama but unfortunately I simply don't believe he is the best person we have in this country to be president. I also can't stand the people who spew hate and don't use issues to state there choice for president. I may not like either McCain or Obama but I respect both of them. We are talking about two canidates for the highest office in the land and two Senators who deserve our respect whether you disagree with their public policies or not.

    • Posted By: macdoodle @ 08/03/2008 3:40:31 PM

      fool me once shame on you
      fool me twice shame on me
      2008 what will it be.
      propaganda makes some of the best one liners.

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