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  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 08/04/2008 11:22:36 AM

    It appears that wars leave lasting scars which continue through generations after those on both sides who lived through it have died. We might remember this fact the next time that a bunch of renegades try to panic us into starting another one like the Iraq war. We will some day finally leave that mess and come home. It is a certainty that generations of people there and here will not forget this.
    It is hard to argue that the Lincoln administration should have let the South secede. That war was necessary to preserve our union. We still have visible scars on both sides from the conflict.
    Now, let's analyze the necessity of commencing the Iraq war. What about the strategy of not starting the Iraq war and instead hunting down Osama Ben Laden as we had properly started to do? The whole civilized world was in sympathy with our efforts to do just that and was ready and willing to help. Instead, we were led by the most errant administration in our history to do probably the most foolish thing that this country has ever done on such a large scale. Vote them and their successors out of this government as soon as you can get to the voting booth. Don't let them get the idea that we even remotely approve of what they have done. We will be paying for this error for years to come.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 11:48:50 AM

      This election isn't about whether it was necessary to start the Iraq war. It needs to be about the future, how we will deal with the energy crisis, the failing economy, bank failures and deficits and increasing unemployment.

      "I didn't vote for the War" won't win this election. It's old news, and as Bill Clinton pointed out, Obama didn't vote against it either, he was not a Senator then, and history has shown that Obama will change his vote, change his position if he thinks it will get him elected, the shift on drilling for oil is a prime example.

      I do not believe that if he had been a senator at the time he would have actually voted against authorizing force in Iraq because the country was overwhelmingly in favor of doing so.

  • Posted By: Slayer1624 @ 08/04/2008 11:37:50 AM

    The reason you won't see McCain bumper stickers on cars in the south is not because there is not enthusiastic support for him, it's because if your car is displaying a McCain bumper sticker, blacks and young pro-Obama supporters will vandalize the car.

  • Posted By: southernbornandraised @ 08/04/2008 11:34:38 AM

    Haha, that was a terrible article. But it was in Newsweek, go figure, as liberal as you can get. In addition, you had someone write an article who "used" to live here. Being born and raised in the south those types are the worst kind because they forgot where they came from and they look down at others who stay and enjoy their lives. If you were not born in the south or if you dont live in the south you will never understand. Its a southern and regional thing. We like our ways of life and we like tradition. In addition, we dont like to be bothered and told what to do. Take your pictures, write your articles, but please dont stay too long and dont pretend to write about things you have know idea about. My family has lived in the south for generations. We are all very well educated, we work hard, we believe in god, we love our neighbors and our small towns, its something thats missing in most of the world today. I dont any election or anything will ever change that. The south and its people enjoy their way of life.

    Alex Richards
    Mobile, Alabama

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 08/03/2008 1:26:38 AM

    It isn't just race, although for many in the south, Obama's skin color makes people uncomfortable. It is the problem of his religion, or more to the point, his perceived lack of religion.

    In the minds of too many "old" southerners, he has comitted an unpardonable, irredeemable sin: he doesn't love jesus enough.

    Mr. Dickey would have you believe the "old" south is about the Civil War, Reconstruction, or the Civil Rights era. But the real "old" south is about being a fundamentalist Christian.

    When I moved to North Carolina from New York, I was appalled at how many people thought it was completely appropriate to ask me if I had "been saved." They had no idea that this is, in fact, none of their business. The constant and intrusive, in-your-face militant Christianity was intimidating. My kids were harassed at school, and I had issues with co-workers.

    I grew up in a neighborhood that was 1/3 catholic, 1/3 jewish, and 1/3 protestant. Nobody even used the term "christian" - as far as I was concerned, christians were people the Romans fed to the lions in ancient Rome.

    I found precious little southern hospitality or christian charity from the "old" south, and it was all over my religious beliefs, which I prefer to keep private.

    It isn't just Obama's skin color; the problem is he doesn't love jesus enough, and he doesn't love jesus the way they do. This unpardonable sin is why the "old" south won't vote for him.

    • Posted By: sarahjaneASU @ 08/04/2008 11:10:05 AM

      I have lived in NC my whole life and no one has ever asked me if I've "been saved"... lets not generalize things here buddy.

  • Posted By: Loden Green @ 08/04/2008 11:08:33 AM

    This writer obviously doesn't know or understand much about the true South. As one who has lived in the South since birth (exept for three year's military service), I hope not too many those in the rest of the country buy into shallow, stereotype-filled "writing" such as this.

  • Posted By: America08 @ 08/03/2008 3:36:52 PM

    Here in South Carolina, I am seeing OBAMA '08 car stickers, but have yet to see a McCain one. Southern cities are more progressive and are being infiltrated by people from other regions who are tired of paying high prices for homes when you can have more home for the money down here. I am one of those, and I plan to vote like one, too.

    • Posted By: srickard99 @ 08/04/2008 10:59:43 AM

      I live in Dallas. I have seen a number of Obama stickers, a few left over Clinton stickers, but I have not yet seen a McCain sticker, to my surprise. Obama is likely to win the city of Dallas but not the state.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/03/2008 10:14:50 PM

      I live in Houston and have not yet seen ONE Obama bumper sticker or yard sign. I have only seen a very few for McCain here. Not even a handful, really.

      In the oil business, there are a good number of diverse people including blacks, hispanics, whites and foreign nationals working together. The oil companies are probably backing McCain, but we do not discuss politics openly at all. Nobody is sporting bumper stickers on their cars at work either. But there is a silent but "knowing" undercurrent of movement favoring Obama! Solidarity!!!

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/04/2008 10:34:52 AM

    Generally, voters, whether southern or northern, black or white, Anglo or Hispanic, Jew, Muslim, or Christian, don't like being told what they "ought" to want or do. That is why Obama comes off as elitist, as thinking he knows better than we do what would be best for us.

    Obama's use of the race card, blame the boomers, and sexist primary campaign have divided the democratic party, perhaps irrevocably. We can't afford to let him do the same thing to our country.

  • Posted By: sarahjaneASU @ 08/04/2008 10:14:03 AM

    Terrible article. Way to paint the south as racist, uneducated, and intolerable. As a true southener, I am offended by your ignorance. I can only hope that Obama can also bring a little change to this bias view of the south (so yes, that means not all southeners are republicans).

  • Posted By: Cssndra @ 08/04/2008 10:00:58 AM

    You know, as a native southerner, I can't decide whether you are writing about the election, the state of politics in the south, the state or racial politics in the south, immigration in the south, or calling everyone in the south who is white a bigot because we don't want to speak spanglish. What, exactly, is your point here?

  • Posted By: Jace1 @ 08/04/2008 9:40:48 AM

    On August 5, 1966 Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., let a march through Marquette Park and Chicago Lawn,
    two predominantly white suburbs on Chicago's South West Side. After the march, King told reporters, " I can assure you that the hatred and the hostility here (in Chicago) are really deeper than what I have seen in Alabama and Mississippi." Andrew Young, commenting on the intensity of the Chicago violence. "Now, in the South, we faced mobs, but it would be a couple of hundred or even fifty or seventy-five. The violence in the South always came fro a rabble element." "But these were women and children and husbands and wives coming out of their homes (and) becoming a mob and in some ways it was more frightening.
    To trot out this Southern Discomfort is what southern'rs are racist? Let's grow up here. Why do we not look at Chicago on the South Side and see how uncertain present day Chicago is to be honest. People who choose not to vote for Obama have many reasons for their decision the least of them is the color of his skin. Let's see Obama step up and debate the issues and lay off the racial issue. Obama is doing a disservice to all Americans pounding this issue. If Obama has a problem with the color of his skin he need's to get over it the American Voter has. Let's move on to the issues. See you in November.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 10:38:49 PM



    INTERVIEW with Author of The Obama Nation, Dr. Jerome Corsi, Ph.d

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdFs6hjPnyw

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgaGFITnTAQ

    See The Obama Nation book description of its contents in my post below.

    • Posted By: Barjor @ 08/03/2008 11:08:57 PM

      BE VERY VERY CAREFUL. Jerome Corsi has written other political books. They contain pure republican political propaganda. He expresses total hatred of democrats and actually accuses them of various treasonous activities. He is an extremist and you should be aware of this before reading his books. Books and blogs such as these are sought out by persons looking for opinions that mirror or confirm their own. Truth is secondary.

      • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/03/2008 11:44:46 PM

        Wrong. Corsi's book is based on irrefutable FACTS. FACTS=TRUTH, period. Deal with it.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 3:36:26 AM

          I agree. If, with this book, Corsi is willing to go out of his way to provide ALL source information requiring him to publish 30 pages or more of where he got his sources, this man is going out of his way to validate any of his statements he noted in his book, THE OBAMA NATION.

      • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/03/2008 11:49:18 PM

        Re: "He is an extremist and you should be aware of this before reading his books."

        Your comment suits your man Obama best. He is the true extremist who has fooled millions with his so called "truths". But, he hasn't fooled the silent majority and come Nov. 4th he WILL lose.

  • Posted By: GREG IN TENNESSEE @ 08/03/2008 5:52:01 PM

    the Jethro Nashun;
    Gap-toothed, inbred, uncivilized, violent and hopelessly dumb as ditchwater. No class of people with less honor. Less dignity. No one more ignorant. More gullible. A primitive breed with prehistoric manners, unfit for anything beyond petty crime and random bloodletting. There stunted subhuman minds are mesmerized by cheap alcohol, Lotto fever and the asinine superstitions of their foot-washin??? faith. They cease beating their wives just long enough to let the little woman squeeze out another deformed crumb-snatcher. They scatter their genes in a degenerative spiral of dysfunction. They breed anencephalic children, mouth breathers like themselves. Vulgarians. ALL. OF. THEM. Rifle-totin???, booger-eatin???, beer-bellied swine in human form. Skeeter-bitten, ball-tuggin???, homo (& Mex.) hating, livestock-screwin???, daughter gropin??? slugs. Hairy-assed werewolves who occupy trailers out near the superfund cleanup sights. Obese curler wearing women standing unashamed in orange bikinis two sizes too small, sloping boobs hung over caesarean scars. Their unwashed, uncomprehending children with cavity peppered chartreuse colored teeth. The scaly pale-gray skin of buck toothed men who huff turpentine chased with dilaudids and Oxy???s. Skull face after skull face of dull-witted peasantry, zit-scarred with filmy yellow eyeballs. Rolling landfills of curdled whiteness. Cat-piss and dirty diapers. Crusty dishes in the sink. Yellowed armpit stains on the t-shirts. Smelly white @ssholes stinking up the nation. They REALLY bring down the race, don???t you think?

    • Posted By: misterharban @ 08/03/2008 10:53:07 PM

      My, what constructive, loving thoughts. People like you are surely monuments to the better things America aspires to be. Intelligent, caring, charitable and loving. Is this kind of diatribe the sort of thing that Obama's new nation embraces. Truly a brave new world. You are truly the ones we have been waiting for.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/03/2008 10:08:34 PM

      Good piece of writing!!! Wow....

  • Posted By: Tommypie @ 08/03/2008 10:29:28 PM

    Obama will likely win the black vote in the South, but it will likely stop there. It will not be enough to offset the votes of the whites voting there. He will lose most of the southern states,

  • Posted By: john cain @ 08/03/2008 1:17:21 PM

    Obama sat for more than 20 YEARS in his "church" listening to antisemtic and anti-American hate sermons.
    He did not utter a word in protest.

    Now, liberals want to vote for this man. Obama is all about hate.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/03/2008 10:18:46 PM

      And not to be outdone, the Fundy White Christian churches are putting out rumors and innuendo as FACT about Obama not being American, that he's the anti-christ, that he's somehow going to smuggle in Muslim terrorists and take over the country.

      Trust me, the white supremists are stronger than you imagine in this country.

      Reverend Wright is well educated and served in the US military. I think the man is entitled to his opinions.

    • Posted By: Jess Wonderin @ 08/03/2008 2:40:41 PM

      McCain sat in the Senate for 25 years - voted against Veteran Health Care funding, failed to support G.I. Education Bill, voted against drilling, failed to support MLK Holiday, failed to introduce ANY legislative acts to help working people, was involved in the Keating S&L fraud, as a "maverick" has a 95% VOTING record of supporting the failed Bush Administration Polices . . could go on but . .

      Now, Conservatives want to vote fro the man. McCain is all about BUSH.

      • Posted By: juanitas @ 08/03/2008 4:20:08 PM

        Finally someone who actually looks at McCain's record as well. As a retired military person I find it intersesting that McCain talks about our brave men and women in uniform...but always finds a reason not to support bills in support of vets. He did not even show up to vote for the last GI Bill...did not want that NO vote on record for this election. I guess he can give them bullets/bombs, but no after care
        quick to ciste costs when bills

    • Posted By: macdoodle @ 08/03/2008 3:43:25 PM

      this church did a lot of social good and the rev got out of control when i he sought 15 minutes of fame.
      it was tough to toss all the good and history for a few bad acts but when he kept on that road, OBAMA DID.
      HOWS JIMMY DOING? HOWS TAMMY FAYE THESE DAYS

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 10:12:31 PM


    If you have not seen this article that blogger grej posted, you might want to read it. It is very well written and informative. It provides readers with some insight into Obamas early political career. The time between his first campaign for the Illinois State Senate in 1995 and his race for U.S. Senate in 2004, which can fairly be called the LOST YEARS, the span of years that you never hear Obama talk about much or at all. Obama supporters will deny the facts. The new book THE OBAMA NATION by Dr. Jerome Corsi, Ph.d devotes a section to his early political years also. The book itself has 30 pages of footnotes to backup all of source information he researched and published in his book Available now at Barnes and Noble or Amazon.

    Weekly Standard
    Barack Obamas Lost Years
    by Stanley Kurtz
    08/11/2008, Volume 013, Issue 45

    The Senator Obamas tenure as a State legislator reveals him to be an old-fashioned, big government,
    race-conscious liberal.


    Article:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=1

  • Posted By: Montiero @ 08/03/2008 6:02:40 PM

    Great article Christopher. Although I lived in Atlanta for a year I know that I really did not learn much about the south during that time. You gave some very interesting perspectives on the south. and I appreciate the quality of your writing.

    I'm sure you could not cover every aspect within the space you were given, but one perspective I wish you could have covered more is the Black middle class. It is my impression that the Black middle class, made up relocated Northerners and college educated Southerners are working very hard to get Obama elected. What I've been surprised by in other parts of the country, however, is how many middle class Whites are working hard for Obama. The middle class Blacks and the middle class Whites are working together as I have never seen before in my lifetime. Win or lose I hope that Obama's race for the White House will open the eyes for Blacks and Whites for new opportunities to work together for a common purpose.

    I am hopeful that Black and White native southerners will also be a part of this transformation. Blacks and Whites have to respect, but not live in the past, and move towards a better future for the sake of our children and our country. Just like siblings that fight at home, eventually we have to grow up and work together face a dangerous and challenging world.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/03/2008 10:06:31 PM

      Great point - in Houston, there is quite a wealthy, upper middle class of Blacks, for example, who are every bit as active in local and national affairs as anyone would expect of a society with some clout and influence. And actually, the people in the South do have a nice way about them - they tend to treat each other very well in everyday situations. It's not like there is tension between blacks and whites so much in the South - I saw a lot more tension between the blacks and whites in the Northern cities in which I lived.

      Here (Houston), everyone is civil and treats each other kindly. That is a Southern thing. It doesn't matter too much what you look like, there is an underlying gentility that most would agree makes for a tension-free, pleasant place to live as far as interpersonal interaction goes. You don't hear too much about black-on-white (or vice versa) violence and crime; not nearly so much as I read/heard about it in cities like Minneapolis, Chicago... for example.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 9:48:07 PM

    It is so nice of Christopher Dickey to look down his nose at an entire region of the country and inform us if it's 'faults'.

    What a pompous @$$.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/03/2008 8:12:45 PM

      I don't think the article was condescending, but some of the comments - some of the "liberal" comments - are.

      The South is a varied and complex region and has good and bad just like any other. I think the article tried to make a point about that. One could as easily write a similar article about just about any area in America. The same divisions exist in the "ivory tower" East Coast where crack deals take place in the shadow of skyscrapers, or in "liberal peacenik" California where there are vast regions of the metropolitan area ruled by prejudiced gangs and where the police have no real sway.

      I do think the article errs in implying that the South is any more or less troubled than any other region in the country.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/02/2008 10:05:48 PM

      Jimbo,

      This was a good article. The writer isn't looking down his nose at anybody! That's your own self-esteem talking....

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 10:18:23 PM

        Of course you think it s a good article. You are even more of a pompous @$$ than Dickey is.

        • Posted By: asbur @ 08/02/2008 10:38:10 PM

          Hey Jimbo! It seems all you can do is call others with a different opinion "pompous @$$... Seems to be the limit of your intellectual capacity.

        • Posted By: asbur @ 08/02/2008 10:34:22 PM

          Seems all you can do is accuse others of being pompous ... Shows your level of intellect!

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 08/02/2008 9:24:05 PM

    A troubled region. Secession didn't work. Slavery didn't work. The South lost the war. The victors burnt everything in sight. Mexico is invading from the south. Northerners are invading from the north. The descendants of the former slaves are about to make a president out of a black yankee Harvard Lawyer. Summer is hot as hell and the price of air conditioning keeps going up. Maybe it'll cool off a little in September and football season will brighten things up before the Old South goes up in smoke in November. A troubled region.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/03/2008 8:08:55 PM

      I don't think that's fair to the South at all. There's a lot more to the South, and a lot more good people *in* the South, than just a general sense that things are "troubled".

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/02/2008 10:04:26 PM

      Took my two small doggies out for a walk tonight in Houston and nearly keeled over from the hot air outside - it is like an oven, with the breeze blowing at you like a furnace from Hell. It is easily over 100 tonight when you add temp + humidity.

      Obama was just here this week and a news report said he kept stopping to mop his brow at the homes he visited. And it's only August 2. We have at least three more months of humid heat blasting at us, but by October it is interspersed with a few days that are in the 80s. In November, we're still running our a/c usually.

      Yes, a very hot, troubled region - and many down here are going to be hot and bothered even after it cools down in January!

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 10:17:27 PM

        First, your rambling and nearly incoherent autobiography, and now a weather report? WTF are you babbling about tonight? I think the heat has cooked your pea brain.

        No doubt all that heat is a result of global warming brought on by redneck crackers driving their SUV's and 4 wheel drive pick up trucks to NASCAR races. I'm surprised you didn't work that in somehow to your leftist screed.

  • Posted By: misterharban @ 08/02/2008 8:43:43 PM

    How nice of Mr. Dickey to regale us with stories of his walk down memory lane, gawking at the rednecks and crackers of his sorghum sweet youth. It would be nice if the world???s Mr. Dickey???s had as clear a memory of the history of their northern and northeastern homes.

    I moved to the south as a kid in 1959. I came from Illinois and was raised to clearly understand our responsibilities to right the wrongs of slavery and Jim Crow. Even though the Chicago suburb I lived in did not have one single solitary black person living in it. In 1964 I began attending college in my new southern home. One of my friends was from Arkansas and to put it mildly, held strong sentiments which were not consistent with this Northerner???s view of human rights. As the news focused more and more on the efforts to integrate the south he and I had a heated debate where he finally observed that someday the civil rights movement would move north and east. He suggested that I hold my pious tickets until the results were in from that growing storm.

    Well as it turned out, my little Chicago suburb navigated its way to smoother waters reasonably well. But as I watched my northern brothers in Boston, Peoria and a hundred other places where sweet tea was an unknown commodity, watched them throw objects at school buses and hurl epithets at innocent children on those buses I realized that I really didn???t need a Greyhound bus ticket to come south and gawk at the ignorant crackers. I could have stayed home in Illinois and observed the debacle in the comfort of my smug self righteousness, pretty much like Mr. Dickey is doing in this article.

    I graduated and grew up to live all over the United States. And you know what? Its just as easy to find bigots in the shadows of the Sears tower, the Empire State Building or even our nation???s capital as it is in the heart of the south. Yes, Mr. Dickey is right. The south has a sense of its history. When it isn???t sufficiently self absorbed in that history there are plenty of pundits who will remind us of our history. It is too bad that the guys who are so eager to regale us with tales of our iniquities are so comfortable forgetting their own.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/03/2008 8:07:53 PM

      Yeah.

      I'm a Californian, and for all our supposed and vaunted "liberalism", you can find people who are racist against any ethnic group in any major city, and the majority of people I've met, not the minority, strongly dislike or even hate gays.

      The South catches a rap for it - maybe deserving, maybe not - but the truth is that bigotry is alive and thriving everywhere in the country and the world.

      I really think better education is the key to solving it in the long-term. Very few of my friends who hold education as a priority are terribly prejudiced (though we all are in some way), and the majority of my friends who *don't* hold education as a priority have a least one serious dislike against a particular group. Which isn't to say there aren't highly educated bigots too, but still, I think that it's hard to hold on to too many prejudices when one focuses on the true lessons of history.

  • Posted By: Trytofocus @ 08/03/2008 6:56:31 PM

    You poor, ignorant bastards. Your alcoholic, unionized workers rape their children while you send your children to private school while you do the same. In spite of all your taxes, your public school systems are a nightmare. You wonder why you've never produced a serious political success since the ultimate fraud, JFK. Wake up and look to the midwest. At least our suburbs can get it right. You're finished and irrelevant. Thank God for the Ivy League or you might not even be functional.

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