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  • Posted By: nonsensewarrior @ 08/10/2008 2:44:39 AM

    I have never posted before, but some people are so daft! The article said that Southerners don't vote for where they are now, but for where they hope to end up. This explains why poor Southerners living on disability in trailer parks vote Republican although Repubs couldn't care less about you. They vote against every measure to improve your lives (education, SS, Medicare/Medcaid, energy solutions, tax breaks for the poor and middle class, etc.). What stupidity...cut off your nose to spite your face. You'd rather stop gays from marrying than to improve public schools. You'd rather force a 15yr-old to have a baby that she can't afford (and blame her when she needs welfare), than pay less taxes because you make less money.

    News&Notes, you're a fraud. You claim to be undecided and looking for direction, yet every post defends HRC or McCain, no matter how damning, and belittles Obama. There is nothing that anyone can say, no matter how rational, that will convince you of any truth besides the one you have decided to cling to. Thats right I said cling!

    Just like how all you conservatives CLING to your right to bear arms while forfeiting your right to privacy and due process. You want to minimize governments control over individual rights, yet you want individual religion (Christianity) to rule our government. You are against abortion because its murder, but you are all for the state-sanctioned murder of criminals. You want to be taxed less, but fight stupid wars, as if wars pay for themselves.

    McCain is a sellout at best and an lying idiot at worst. Yet you support him because he's...humble? Because he has years of experience of making poor decisions? Because he's so moral that he cheated and left his first wife for a newer model? It seems that pro-McCain folk are only so in opposition to Obama. Tell us, what do you like about McCain? Can you speak favorably about McCain without once mentioning Obama. Probably not.

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 10:49:18 PM

      I will speak favorably about McCain without mentioning your candidate. #1. McCain has been a U.S. Senator who has not always voted with Republicans. #2. McCain does have an energy plan. #3. McCqin will preserve national security.

      Also, you make assumptions about ignorant Southerners living in trailiers. I have been to 47 of our 50 states and guess what? I see poor, ramshackled trailer parks in those states. That also includes California and New York. And these trailer parks outside the South have ignorance running over. You seem typical of close minded liberals. You make a broad brush assumption without any knowledge of the facts.

      As far as schools in this country, I think by and large they do a good job. I will say one thing critical of the Bush administration in this regard. One of the worst pieces of legislation that Bush and Ted Kennedy pushed through was "No Child Left Behind." If anything this represents big government. Public schools should be run by the states and the feds should quit interfering.

      • Posted By: GrogInOhio @ 08/12/2008 4:15:19 PM

        You're kidding right? Your very alias lists the original poster's "your candidate". Pathetic.

        161 days till the end of the Bush administration.

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 08/25/2008 10:48:35 PM

          There are a lot of things that the government should stop interferring with. We have professionals in their fields, yet it is the politicians who think they know better and should dictate (which is a big reason for the oil problems we are having now). Can anyone name just one thing the government has invented to make our lives better? Just about everything we have is due to our private citizens ingenuity. Government didn't invent the telegraph, telephone, lightbulbs, automobiles, etc... but boy they regulate everything to death and simply cause more problems. If the government would stop interferring, our progression would most likely be ten fold what it is now. But there are so many restrictions on just about everything you can imagine that it nearly stifles ingenuity.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 3:14:17 AM

      MCCain understands that America is a work in progress not a work in regression. MCCain knows the country is great with or without him. MCCain Understands how business big and small is the key to this countries greatness. MCCain understands why communism and socialism have failed and should be left on the ash heap of history.

      MCCain gives speeches on what he has accomplished and what he will do he does not call on a mythical change he embodies the change he seeks.

      MCCain pushed for the Surge when it looked like all was lost. He was right when everyone else was wrong and rather than be quiet and accept the Party line he pushed for that which he believed in.

      MCCain is our next president if only because he believes in America with all his heart, He is a human who has failed when he should of succeeded but Succeeded when almost all others would fail. Graduating near the bottom of his class he demonstrated a level of honor and courage that every American considers the ideal.

      His Marriage fell victim to an ego fed by a nation that worshipped him as a hero precisely because he did not fail his nation.

      His anger is a testament to his passion. I find it telling that every documented incident of his anger involves a betrayal by the party he lashes out against.

      Loyalty is the attribute he prizes the most both in himself and those around him. Even though he failed his first wife he has gone to great lengths to care for her well being and she still considers him an honorable man and will be voting for him in November.

      • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/11/2008 8:38:01 AM

        Great post! :o)

        • Posted By: Jess Wonderin @ 08/23/2008 6:49:28 PM

          "Great post"? Did you mention that McGigilo only sends CAROL $1,000 a month - maybe he takes it out of his $28,000 he gets in Social Security - a system he claims id broke . . . . or the FACT that after marrying the ^00 Milion Dollar Woams, ROS PEROT and the Regans PAID for Carols EXPENSES while johhine flew off. . .

          • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 08/25/2008 8:28:41 AM

            jess wonderin how your life would hold up to your type of scrutiny? Can you post without hate filled rhetoric or racist biased rhetoric? All your posts appear to be more of the same ol, same ol.... nothing but hate.

      • Posted By: Jess Wonderin @ 08/23/2008 6:45:35 PM

        Do you believe this or just doing high satire? "Marriage fell apart" because he was a "war hero"??? Little revisions history, he came home and took off where he left off when he graduated 5th from the BOTTOM of his class.
        And just after 26 years can he point to as any landmark legislation that left a positive mark on America? Keating Five, the Donald Diamond Land Rip-off, support of pro-liquor laws (family LOVED that but pissed off MADD . . .) or how about 1999-1007 VOTES against Veterans Health Care Funding Increases, or his active OPPOSITION to the 21st Century G.I. Bill ("too GENEROUS") or shutting down the POW/MIA Committee Investigation (too close to some "facts"?) - or his SUPPORT for an $8 BILLION tax refund for oil (Only gonn'a make $310 BILLION PROFIT this YEAR) - or need mention HIS tax Plan will save HIM $373,600 but Obama will ONLY save McKeating $5,700 - and I guess we can overlook Cindy meeting Mother Teresa in Bengladesh, 1991 to beg her to adopt a child (while Mother Teresa was actually in Mexico, then a California Hospital (La Jolla) in 1991 - so add being in 2 places to her "Saintly" ability if you BELIEVE the Cindy/John fairy tale) . . . . but you keep on thinking that after 8 years of screwing the country, the same team "running" McSame will make it "better" . . . yea rightly.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/14/2008 11:43:07 AM

      You want to spew anger go right ahead, but leave me out of it. I am not a fraud. You come across as being dismissive, arrogant, and angry. I'm undecided, but that doesn't mean I have to give equal positive attention to both candidates. For someone who supports a candidate who is the presumptive nomniee and whose campaign is based on unity, hope, and change, you come across as divisive, bitter, and opinionated.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 08/25/2008 8:19:38 AM

        Amazing the hate filled rhetoric here. You make it sound as if the Reps want to take away your freedoms while ignoring the fact that most of what Obama preaches, and what the far leftists are spreading, is nothing short of socialism/communism. They want the government to take care of you and have the attitude that it needs to do so because "You aren't smart enough to take care of yourself". Haven't you learned anything from history? Or even from some of the other countries in the world today who follow those styles of government beliefs? I will admit that Obama has had a couple of decent ideas - unfortunately, the majority of his ideas reak in socialism. I don't need the government to control my life. Some people complain about the economy, social security, etc... yet fight against anything that will actually help. If you were to sit down and do the math, the proposal Bush had on privatizing a portion of your social security - leaving you responsible for its management - would have helped out trememdously. Do the math. The 4 percent (yeah - simple 4 %) could earn you more in a good growth stock mutual fund, than the entire Social Security benefit would ever pay out in your lifetime. But look at the fight against that, then the complaints that he didn't help you.... I think people just want to bitch and moan about anything... As for Universal health care and anything else that Obama proposed to "Force you" into submission - doesn't the fact that he wants to "Require", "Force" or insert any other compulsory word in there - doesn't that raise a red flag? When the government wants to force its citizens into anything, that should be a warning signal that our democracy is in trouble. You cry about losing freedoms, yet willingly want to give your freedom away to big government. WAKE UP

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 08/25/2008 8:24:00 AM

          That was meant to be in relpy to nonsensewarrior - a back up to news...

      • Posted By: Jess Wonderin @ 08/23/2008 6:26:48 PM

        Best watch out - been reading here awhile and seems to be a pack of Rightie Tighties itchin' to earn their seat on McKeating's BS Express . . . most appear too timid to say "ah ain't votn' for da color man" without a hood . . . .

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/13/2008 1:59:36 AM

      Good post. There is something off and unreasonable about some of these ganged postings. People only see what they want to see. Thus, discourse on blogs as this are sadly but a spectacle.

      Good post, nonetheless.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/14/2008 11:47:25 AM

        The spectacle is the four paragraphs of judgemental and subjective anger that you are responding to

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 12:40:20 PM

          Anger and subjectivism seems to be readily on both sides. I haven't blamed anyone for being this way on either side because as we said before THIS is the 'kitchen', just as nationwide are thousands of the same passionate forums due to what is at stake (although I do call idiotic comments as such, as you've seen =)

          News, I respect the open-mindedness that you seek to have and that is why you have seen at least more civil comments toward you even among some more aggressive ones. However, there does seem to be quite a deficit that Obama would have to make up in each of your posts. There's nothing wrong with this, but I think it's true that many dislike Obama beyond reasonable discourse.

          For example, whenever McCain does something that brings him away from what he has been doing, to something more honorable and integral, he gains major points with me. If he shows himself to be something close to how he started, I would vote for him???though to me he has traveled in the last several months. However, with Obama, no matter what he does or stands for, it seems that there can be no progress whatsoever in some minds; there will always be something else (such as simply 'he is a Democrat'). I think few express this frustration in words, but I believe that many angry words, such as those of the original poster, touch upon this feeling.

          • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/15/2008 1:41:39 PM

            Your post makes sense, and we all have individual biases. However, "nonsense" made an unprovoked attack on me, and completely misrepresented me and my positions. The post contained dramatic, oversimplified, subjective assessments; and compartmentalized voters who don't share "nonsense"'s viewpoints. It was a very poor post.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/24/2008 1:42:38 AM


    NEWSWEEK has buried the TONY REZKO story. They thru it up on their site today and buried it at end of the day. Couldnt find the link to the article so I used Newsweeks search engine which is useless. Then I googled it outside the site and found it. When i pulled up the link, the lead in page shows 3 blogs (the norm) but when I went into the all comments area every blog was wiped out. I dont think that was coincidental.

    DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE WE ARE LIVING IN THE USSR OR CHINA HERE? The MSM I have lost any respect for. . . they only feed the public what they want them to see and if they are pressed to at least write an article that is controversial about Obama, wham, it is gone within 24 hrs, buried in the site.

    ANYWAYS, if anyone wants to read the Who is Tony Rezko article, here is the link that leads to where it is buried somewhere within this site:

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/117851


    • Posted By: OBWan @ 08/24/2008 1:55:21 PM

      Sharenews - It is probably the Karl Rove and Republican connection.

  • Posted By: Hope1906 @ 08/09/2008 8:05:27 PM

    This is a PS to my post about the woman from Tennessee in Paris--There are some--thankfully only some--white Americans who won't vote for Obama because he is black--they will tell themselves it is for other reasons--they will look for reasons, invent reasons, any reason they can hang their hat on--because they don't want to confront their racial biases. It's very sad because four more years of GOP rule will be a disaster for this country. All McCain knows is the military--and war--he is a limited man. We cannot afford more un-necessary wars--not in lives or money. The dollar is so weak, we have become the world's bargain basement--and McCain wants to gove companies that send jobs overseas more tax breaks. Families are having to choose between gas and groceries and McCain's entire campaign consists of trying to destroy Obama. McCain's negative ads, the brainchild of Rove's protege, Schmidt, are designed to give fearful white voters--lies--to frighten them into not voting for Obama. The Republicans have manipulated fear to their advantage in election after election; racism is rooted in fear. Rove-McCain-Schmidt are now painting Obama as "other" to frighten voters. They aren't doing this because they are racist--they are doing it because they think it is the only way they can win. Republicans understand that Obama is one of the most qualified and prepared candidates we've had in a very long time--anyone with common sense can recognize this--we know brilliance when we see it, we know excellence when we see it. Obama isn't an ivory tower
    elitist--he is a pragmatic problem solver with a brilliant mind, common sense, and exceptional communication skills. If Americans care about our quality of life, if we care about our pocket books, he alth care, jobs, social security and the future of this country, we would be wise to get beyond the backward impasse of racial fears--and vote for Obama.

    • Posted By: Davole @ 08/09/2008 11:35:35 PM

      Hope1906 -

      You classify the few whites who won't vote for Obama as racist.

      How about the reportedly over 90% of blacks that support Obama - are they so intellectually gifted to prefer Obama, or are they merely racists?

      Does Obama frequently play the worn-out race card just to remind them that they are pitiful victims, incapable of caring for themselves, thereby keeping them on the democrat plantation?

      Would you have any rational facts to substantiate your deluded claim that Obama "is one of the most qualified and prepared candidates we've had in a very long time"?

      Now let's "get this straight" - are we talking about the same Obama who has only been a senator for 143 days, before being elevated to represent the democrat party?

      And is he the same guy that as an Illinois senator, voted 127 times by entering the word "present," and considered that to be a competent answer?

      And is he also the same representative that claims that he hit the wrong vote button 6 times?
      So much for his inability to actually concentrate and render an informed opinion!

      Is he also the same excuse for a candidate that makes a trip to Germany to trash the US?

      And is he also the same guy that is confounded by a seven year old girl's question asking him why he chose to run for president? Gee, without a teleprompter, most of his answer was stuttering and stammering, punctuated by numerous "uhs and aws," before he fimally managed to criticize the US again.

      I'm amazed that you regard that empty suit, who needs 300 foreign policy advisers, as displaying brilliance and excellence.

      I guess that you are one of those democrats that he can manage to fool all of the time.

      • Posted By: OKLAtoNOLA @ 08/10/2008 3:06:04 AM

        Thank you for providing an excellent example that proves my point about people who swallow the Republican spin whole and believe it is the truth, Davola.You let the Republican party do all your thinking for you. You really do need to exercise your brain and try to think for yourself at least once a month, instead of regurgitating the worst of the Republican spin machine milk.

        • Posted By: Davole @ 08/10/2008 8:18:59 AM

          OKLAtoNOLA -

          As a typical obamabot, you have replied with an ad hominem rant, instead of actually criticizing my statements. Typical inept criticism!

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/13/2008 2:27:27 AM

            You're not a racist because you don't vote for Obama. You can vote as you understand the positions of a candidates. Potential racism would come from the reasons you are against a candidate and if these have prejudice based one things that do not hold any substance.
            When you state that you don't like Obama because, say, he is going to tax the rich and corporations and you think it is a bad idea for the economy, this is a statement that has a lot of substance. I'm sure most would respect this and might debate with your reasoning. When you state that you do not like Obama's experience in wartime, you would have a valid point as McCain HAS actually been in a war. Keep in mind that if someone were to disagree with you, this would not indicate them calling you racist.

            Incidently, just because people argue against your reasons for being against Obama and you come out of nowhere and state that they think you are racist, this is highly dubious.

            At the same time, if you constantly argue that you simply feel that Obama is arrogant, unpatriotic or 'anti-american', these are sketchy comments that might lend people to think that your reasoning is not so logically sound, but instead an indication of something else, due to such condemnations' contrived nature.

            Similarly, if you list a large amount of false information about Obama indicating that you have condemned him with little checking into his actual stands and history, it shows that you are once again contriving internal as well as external reasons for undeserved defamation; a passionate dislike, or hate, for him, unsubstantiated. This still does not make you racist. However, it does lend evidence to point to this theory. Then you're just an Akram's Razor away from this being called what you 'fear'.

            • Posted By: Davole @ 08/13/2008 10:31:16 PM

              rapidron -

              You are correct - I am not a racist. Thank you for that confirmation.

              But I do not understand your comment regarding a razor and supposedly something which you think that I fear. Would you care to explain further that statement?

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 12:42:08 PM

                The Akram's Razor is the premise simplest answer is the correct one.

                • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/17/2008 10:29:34 PM

                  That's funny, coming from you, because your answers are long-winded, full of specious lofty "concepts", and frankly make little sense.

                  • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/18/2008 2:13:39 AM

                    Wow, Jimbo, another great post. Such an amazing use of wit. Keep them coming genius!

                    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/21/2008 6:18:58 PM

                      You can count on it.

          • Posted By: OKLAtoNOLA @ 08/10/2008 4:59:11 PM

            I didn't criticize your statements, because NONE of them have any basis in real life. It wasn't worth my time and energy at that hour of the morning, when I'm going to bed, to comment on your statements, and it still isn't, McShrubobot. You didn't say anything worth criticizing..

            • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 3:22:17 AM

              How about we are voting for MCCain because he won't undermine capitalism. He won't lose the War. And his Ideas and philosophy is more inline with ours. It has nothing to do with Skin Color. I would vote for Condeleeza Rice in a heartbeat. I would consider Colin Powell. I support Clarence Thomas.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/12/2008 1:27:48 PM

                Do you know what undermines capitalism? Secret trillion dollar bids that go to your friends who in a fit of unheard of corruption, basically take the money and sell United States citizens toilet seats for $500 a pop. These agreements that end up going back into your pockets and other rich people go against the entire idea of capitalism in practice and is indeed the cause for the fall of capitalist, market societies. Yes, I am speaking fo the recent deeds by Republicans, namely by George Bush, Dick Cheney and Haliburton. Let's not repeat our mistakes.

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/13/2008 2:33:04 AM

                  Sorry, I meant 'Secret Trillion Dollar no-bid contracts' in the first sentence.

                  • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/20/2008 7:35:04 PM

                    If we don't give government the money they can't waste it. Vote for the republicans or that level of fraud will run through our entire medical system. Right now everything the government touches turns to corruption what makes you think turning the government over to socialists will help? Obama wants government to handle every aspect of your life.

        • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/11/2008 8:43:38 AM

          Blah, blah, blah.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/10/2008 2:47:55 AM

        Obama will get 90% of the black votes, because blacks, overwhelmingly are democrats. It is not racist for them to support a democrat.

        Also Obama has been in the U.S. senate since 2005, so he had more than 143 days before winning the nomination. He had 13 months in the senate before even announcing his intenion to run for President.

        Obama speach in Germany did not trash the U.S. in any way.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/10/2008 4:46:15 AM


          I, for one, thought that it was not respectful for Obama to go on and talk negatively about our country, specifically Washingtons failures in recent years, in his speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 Germans. Obama then continued on to say: :

          I know my country has not perfected itself, Obama said, to wide applause from the looming crowd before him. At times, we have struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people.

          Then Oama had this to say:

          America is, uh, is no longer, uh what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I dont want that future for my children.

          I say: What the . . . ? I thought it was disrespect to speak in ANY negative manner about our country when he (OBAMA) was not on U.S. soil, especially when those words were coming from a still wannabe President. That DID IT for me.

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/11/2008 5:44:30 PM

            How can the USA solve problems if leaders pretend they don't exist?

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/13/2008 10:27:45 AM

              Exactly. The U.S. HAS been on a decline for 8 years and it seems that some want to bury their heads in the sand and not see this, and others who want the U.S. to regain its untouchable pristine.

              I love this reason you give that 'DID IT' for you, while all over this board you've been negative in so many ways and angles--and now FINALLY we get the reason that 'DID IT' for you. Can we say: contrived post?

              • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/20/2008 7:37:27 PM

                This message board is not what it used to be. It is no longer what it could be. I am ashamed to speak on this message board. I am a citizen of all Message boards.

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/20/2008 10:11:05 PM


                  As Obama would say: It is not the same Message Board I used to know. LMAO. ; = D

          • Posted By: loriw @ 08/11/2008 10:01:35 PM

            I agree

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/10/2008 4:49:45 AM

          In regards to your first statement? It was when Obama was up against Hillary Clinton in the Primaries. No Doubt About It, especially when the Clintons were so in tune and there to help out the Black Communtiy in Bill Clintons era..

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/11/2008 5:37:22 PM

            Bill Clinton and his lousy sax was all they had. Situation much improved now.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:00:30 AM

            Even John Kerry got 88% of the black vote.

      • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/11/2008 8:46:39 AM

        Thank you for providing an excellent example of us "typical" white McCain supporters. I for one am tired of being called racist because I'm NOT voting for the O'man.

    • Posted By: OKLAtoNOLA @ 08/09/2008 11:06:51 PM

      The sad thing is that many people actually believe that the Republican spin is the truth and seem to swallow it whole, then they turn around and claim the Obama supporters are the ones who are drinking the Kool-Aide. From what I've seen on the nola.com forums, many of these bigots are proud of their ignorance and racism, They wave it like a flag just to pick fights with people who do not agree with them completely.

      I posted this on the Orleans nola.com forum this afternoon. So far, there has been only one response.

      75476.2. The timing of the confession is just too convenient
      by RedRockFm002, 8/9/08 18:33 ET
      Re: Edwards endorsed Obama, need we say more? by tourobiz, 8/9/08
      NOT coincidental politically, IMHO. Obama has offered him the VP spot, and Edwards has accepted, but the confession, just a little more than two weeks before the convention in Denver starts, is the political price Edwards is paying. Transparency in government is already at work here.
      If any of you naysayers have bothered to read David Merrill's book and the July 21, 2007 "New Yorker" article, you might find out what experience Obama already has.

      Frankly, I don't care who has slept with whom or what their sexual orientation is.

      • Posted By: Davole @ 08/11/2008 12:57:06 AM

        OKLAtoNOLA -

        From your statement that "Frankly, I don't care who has slept with whom or what their sexual orientation is," it is obvious that decency, honour, and integrity do not "register" with you in your selection, endorsement and support for a candidate for any political office position!

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/11/2008 5:56:31 PM

          Honor, decency and integrity are at the core of Sen. Obama's campaign.

          • Posted By: Davole @ 08/13/2008 11:27:20 PM

            elizabethpaige -

            If so, then why does he pathetically play the race card so frequently?

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 12:53:43 PM

              To respond to those who have played it before him of course. If you don't see that it had already used against him thoroughly, it is a glaring lack of observation.

              • Posted By: Davole @ 08/16/2008 12:59:27 PM

                rapidron -

                You're the epitome of "a glaring lack of observation!"

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/18/2008 2:25:40 AM

                  Did you just insult me? I'm so surprised.

                  Oh by the way, you're a dummy. Lol--you see? I can play the same game, Davole. Grow up my friend.

                  Now what is really sad is that our highest offices are now vied for by playing similar preschool games of lies and name calling.

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/12/2008 2:13:06 PM

          OKLAtoNOLA, just want to say what you think amidst several posters who are pretty aggressive and hateful. Just wanted to be a voice of civility toward you. These posters think that if they stay on the longest, and post the most insults, they win somehow. You can read down and see how many factual and thought out posts have been answered by purely classless rhetoric.

          That Davole would tell you how indecent you are and not note that McCain left his first handicapped wife for another when it became convenient is pretty unfair. Such is the way of this board it appears--but hey, we're on the internet, lol.

          Take care, and stay thoughtful.

          • Posted By: Davole @ 08/13/2008 11:17:55 PM

            rapidron -

            Why do you attempt to interprete and possibly add your own "spin" to what NolafromOkla stated?
            Isn't she an adult, and able to speak for herself?

            When I reply to any rant or blog, my comments relate to the specific allegations which the blogger has included in his or her own post - note - I do not focus my attention to whatever that blogger has said in previous posts, nor any comments which others have made. Do you understand that?

            If you would bother to read both her and my reply, you would notice that I did not criticize Obama, nor did her or my reply even make any mention of McCain.

            Yet you call me "indecent" - because you ridiculously now try to interject McCain into the discussion.

            Yes, I definitely can see that most obamabots are unable to properly perceive, isolate, realize, and consider facts!

            May I suggest - discuss only the specific statements which comprise the post or reply?

            • Posted By: OKLAtoNOLA @ 08/14/2008 4:17:08 AM

              YOU are the one who called me indecent., because I don't care who sleeps with whom or what any-one's sexual orientation is. People who obsess about the sexual orientation of others is one of the strangest obsessions I've ever encountered in the last 37 years of my life. What business of yours is any one's sexual orientation? I'm still a virgin at not quite 55.5 years old. How can I be indecent when the state of my my morality is a probably a lot better than your own? Morals are determined by the society you live in. In Indonesia, it used be moral to eat your dead relatives brains, and marriage is the cultural form of recognition that a couple now has the right to consummate the marriage by having sex. Grow up . You are ignorant, a closet racist, and way too judgmental of of others.

              • Posted By: Davole @ 08/14/2008 10:14:01 AM

                OKLAtoNOLA -

                I have not called you indecent - you have inferred that from my statement.
                Don't attempt to put words in my mouth, just because you, like most obamabots, do have a demonstrated problem brought about by distorted perception.

                And no - morals are not determined by society - those are watered-down excuses for morals, or convenient secular substitutes.

                True morals are determined by God - they are what is termed to be right as opposed to wrong!

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 12:50:30 PM

                  Davole, it is easily implied by your post. Don't try to take it back once you've said it.

                  I wrote my message to OKLA because I wanted them to know that I see multiple attacks on them from multiple posters, attacking like piranhas. What makes you so angry about that? All across this boards are attacks on posters and counters, but when I see an aggressive dogpile on someone calling them all kinds of names in pretty noticeable bitterness while their reasoning is in no way unreasonable, I do find it unfair and childish. Thus, I wrote to OKLA to tell them I respect what they've said.

                  It's surprising the rise it reached out of you. In your particular case, you don't address other poster's posts???why would they do the same for you?

                  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/16/2008 12:53:04 PM

                    rapidron -

                    To rebut your statement that "it is easily implied by your post" - what is easy is not necessarily correct or factual. Do you understand that difference?

                    No, I am not trying to take it back once I've said it - I stand by my convictions and accuracy.
                    Do you understand that?

                    I am not "so angry about that." That misperception of yours is evident throughout your reply.
                    Do you understand that?

                    Lastly, in your naivety, you foolishly claim that I "don't address other poster's posts."
                    Take off those obtuse eyepatches - your prejudice obfuscates the FACT that I have replied to you, OKLAtoNOLA, and elizabethpaige on this topic.
                    Do you realize that?

                    Obviously, rapidron, you are too rapid in your haste to form opinions even before you have discovered and analyzed any facts.

                    Gee, come to think of it, that's the same lack of rational thought process demonstrated by Obama when he denounced the success of the surge before he ventured abroad on his socalled fact finding mission.

                    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/18/2008 2:19:14 AM

                      Davole said of OKLAtoNOLA:

                      ???From your statement that "Frankly, I don't care who has slept with whom or what their sexual orientation is," it is obvious that decency, honour, and integrity do not "register" with you in your selection, endorsement and support for a candidate for any political office position!???

                      So Davole, you are saying that, ???it is obvious that decency, honour, and integrity do not "register" with you,??? does not imply in the least that you are calling OKLAtoNOLA indecent? Perhaps you are the one that should be in politics???

                      (I don???t even want to get started on your comprehension here. Just calling it like I see it, Davole???you???re the one who wrote it)

          • Posted By: Davole @ 08/13/2008 11:24:32 PM

            rapidron -

            I apologize - I incorrectly referred to OKLAtoNOLA as NolafromOkla - I did not have her screen name before me, and I mistakenly used the other name without any intent to insult.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 7:35:05 AM


    The Weekly Standard
    Barack Obamas Lost Years
    by Stanley Kurtz
    08/11/2008

    The senators tenure as a state legislator reveals him to be an Old-fashioned, BIG Government, Race-conscious liberal.

    Here are some excerpts from the article. I have also provided the link to the ENTIRE detailed article - which is lengthy, but WELL WORTH THE READ FOR THOSE WHO want to learn more about this man, Barack Obama, his character and actions associated during his early political years.

    EXCERPTS:

    Barack Obamas neighborhood newspaper, the HYDE PARK HERALD, has a longstanding tradition of opening its pages to elected officials-from Chicago aldermen to state legislators to U.S. senators. OBAMA himself, as a state senator, WROTE MORE THAN 40 COLUMNS for the HERALD, under the title Springfield Report, between 1996 and 2004. Read in isolation, Obamas columns from the state capital tell us little. Placed in the context of political and policy battles then raging in Illinois, however, the young legislators dispatches powerfully ILLUMINATE HIS POLITICAL BELIEFS. Even more revealing are hundreds of articles chronicling Obamas early political and legislative activities in the pages not only of the HYDE PARK HERALD, but also of another South Side fixture, the CHICAGO DEFENDER.

    Source article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 7:02:38 AM


    The Weekly Standard
    Barack Obamas Lost Years
    by Stanley Kurtz
    08/11/2008

    Part 1 of 5

    The senators tenure as a state legislator reveals him to be an Old-fashioned, BIG Government, Race-conscious liberal. Any thougthts.

    EXCERPTS:

    Barack Obamas neighborhood newspaper, the HYDE PARK HERALD, has a longstanding tradition of opening its pages to elected officials-from Chicago aldermen to state legislators to U.S. senators. OBAMA himself, as a state senator, WROTE MORE THAN 40 COLUMNS for the HERALD, under the title Springfield Report, between 1996 and 2004. Read in isolation, Obamas columns from the state capital tell us little. Placed in the context of political and policy battles then raging in Illinois, however, the young legislators dispatches powerfully ILLUMINATE HIS POLITICAL BELIEFS. Even more revealing are hundreds of articles chronicling Obamas early political and legislative activities in the pages not only of the HYDE PARK HERALD, but also of another South Side fixture, the CHICAGO DEFENDER.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 6:54:31 AM

    (Continued from my post above - Obamas Lost Years, the yrs. he does not talk about)

    Part 2 of 5

    OBAMAS STRONG LIBERALISM is nowhere more evident than on the subject of CRIME. Throughout his Illinois State Senate career, crime was a top Obama concern. Crime is also a key contact-point between Obama and his most celebrated radical associate, WILLIAM AYERS. Ayers REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH OBAMA, while Obama has dismissed Ayers as JUST A GUY WHO LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. Yet several Obama-Ayers connections are known: Obamas 1995 POLITICAL DEBUT at the home of Ayers and his wife (and fellow former terrorist) Bernardine Dohrn, Obamas joint service with Ayers ON THE BOARD OF THE WOODS FUND OF CHICAGO, a couple of appearances with Ayers on academic panels, and what the NEW YORK TIMES called Obamas RAVE REVIEW (not actually a full review, but a warm endorsement) of AYERS BOOK on juvenile justice, which Obama dubbed a searing and timely account in the Chicago Tribune.

    For all the attention, the actual content of (Bill) AYERS 1997 BOOK, A Kind and Just Parent, as well as the POLITICAL CONTEXT OF OBAMAS INTEREST IN IT, have so far passed un-remarked. Obama supporters paint Ayers as having mellowed since his radical days, pointing to his wonkish interests. Yet Ayers RADICALISM PERVADES HIS BOOK on Chicagos juvenile court system. Founded in 1899 (long before juvenile murder rates shot off the charts), Chicagos juvenile court was the first in the world, intended to serve as A KIND AND JUST PARENT to offenders. Ayers title, he explained in the book, is meant to bristle with irony as a commentary on an American society out of control. Ayers expressed the same sentiment more bluntly in an interview published in the New York Times shortly after 9/11, when he not only dismissed the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place, but said the claim MAKES ME WANT TO
    PUKE. A Kind and Just Parent is a thoughtful, well-informed, and beautifully written book, which provides revealing and sometimes disturbing glimpses of life at a Chicago juvenile detention facility. The book also virtually defines the phrases LIBERAL GUILT and SOFT ON CRIME. Ayers agonizes over a high school field trip years ago, on which he and other white students toured a juvenile court system largely populated by black boys. When recounting horrific crimes - and even his own mugging - Ayers focuses on the terrified insecurity of the perpetrators, rather than the harm they inflict. Testifying at the trial of a young felon he would been tutoring, Ayers calls him NERVOUS, a little shy, eager to please. The prosecutor responds: WOULD YOU CALL SHOOTING SOMEONE EIGHT TIMES AT CLOSE RANGE EAGER TO PLEASE?

    Source article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 6:34:35 AM


    (Continued from my post above - Obamas Lost Years, the yrs. he does not talk about)

    ESSENTIALLY ABOLISHED.

    Part 3 of 5

    Unsatisfied with mere reform, Ayers wants to address the deeper structural problems of the system. Drawing explicitly on Michel Foucault, a French philosopher beloved of RADICAL academics, Ayers argues that prisons artificially impose obedience and conformity on society, thereby creating a questionable distinction between the NORMAL and the DEVIANT. The unfortunate result, says Ayers, is to leave the bulk of us feeling smugly superior to societys prisoners. Home detention, Ayers believes, might someday be able to replace the prison. Ayers also makes a point of comparing Americas prison system to the mass-detention of a generation of young blacks under South African Apartheid. Ayers tone may be different, but the ECHOES OF JEREMIAH WRIGHTs anti-prison rants are plain.

    Actually, Ayers effectively does do this, opening his book with the claim that a young murderer had slavishly followed the orders of his gang leader, rather than acting of his own free will. Ayers opposes trying even the most vicious juvenile murderers as adults. Beyond that, he WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRISON SYSTEM ITSELF

    Given HIS DECISION to recommend Ayers book in the Tribune, it is FAIR TO SAY that Obama is at least BROADLY SYMPATHETIC to this perspective. When Obama offers examples of ill-conceived legislation, he often points to building prisons: Instead of building another prison, why not expand health care entitlements? Biographer David Mendell cites OBAMAS IRRITATION with fellow LEGISLATORS who grandstand by PASSING TOUGH-ON-CRIME LEGISLATION, while letting bills designed to bring structural change languish. Debating Bobby Rush in 2000, OBAMA BRAGGED that he had CONSISTENTLY FOUGHT AGAINST THE INDUSTRIAL PRISON COMPLEX. Obamas Hyde Park Herald column echoes these points.

    The most INTRIGUING THREAD LINKING OBAMA, AYERS, AND CRIME, however, runs through Ayers wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Dohrn founded the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, and along with her associates there, she regularly and energetically opposes GET TOUGH crime laws. Ayers draws on his wifes

    Source article: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

    (Continued in my post below - Obamas Lost Years, the yrs. he does not talk about)

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 5:42:17 AM


    (Continued from my post above - Oamas Lost Years, the yrs. he does not talk about).

    Part 4 of 5

    wisdom in his book A Kind and Just Parent; and Dohrn, like her husband, publicly presents her work on juvenile justice not as a repudiation of her youthful radicalism, but a continuation of it. The AYERS - DOHRN - OBAMA nexus was jolted INTO ACTION in late 1997 and early 1998, when a major JUVENILE JUSTICE REFORM BILL was introduced in the Illinois General Assembly.

    Written by prosecutors and sponsored by a Republican ex-prosecutor, the bill was neither simplistic nor partisan. Well aware of evidence that sending juveniles to adult prisons can backfire and actually raise recidivism rates, sponsors met rehabilitation-minded critics halfway. The proposed bill was an early example of BLENDED SENTENCING, in which juveniles who have committed serious crimes are GIVEN BOTH A JUVENILE ntence, the adult punishment kicks in. That gives young offenders a powerful incentive to do right, and puts toughness at the service of offering kids a second chance.

    Blended sentencing is generally viewed as an INNOVATIVE COMPROMISE. To those on the FAR LEFT, however, blended sentencing is just another mean-spirited get tough crime measure in disguise. That is why, when the Illinois blended sentencing bill was introduced in 1997, both OBAMA AND BERNARDINE DOHRN were cited by the Chicago Sun-Times as key local critics of the bill. Steven A. Drizin, an associate of Dohrns center (who is thanked in Ayers book) was a member of the study commission that helped produce the bill, yet remained an energetic critic, not only of blended sentencing, but of nearly every other prosecutor-favored provision in the bill.

    Meanwhile, Obama WORKED CLOSELY with the Illinois Black Legislative Caucus to SLOW THE BILLs PROGRESS, expressing skepticism about the blended sentencing provisions. While one report speaks of Obama negotiating with Cook County states attorney Richard Devine for a compromise, there is good reason to believe that Obamas

    Source article:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

    (Continued in my post below - Obamas Lost Years, the yrs. he does not talk about it)

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/21/2008 3:51:00 AM



    (Continued from my post above - Obamas Lost Years, the yrs. He does not talk about it).

    Part 5 of 5

    actual AIM was to SCUTTLE THE ENTIRE BILL. We have this on the authority of someone who may very well be Michelle Obama herself. Michelle Obama organized a University of Chicago panel about Bill Ayers crime book in November 1997, just as the battle over the juvenile justice bill was heating up. That PANEL featured appearances by some of the key figures discussed in Ayers book, along with OBAMA HIMSELF, who was identified in the press release as working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system. In effect, then, this public event was A JOINT OBAMA-AYERS EFFORT TO SINK THE JUVENILE JUSTICE BILL -Obamas decision to PLUG AYERS BOOK in the Chicago Tribune the following month was part of the same political effort.

    In January 1998, a front-page headline in the Defender touted Obamas claim that the juvenile justice bill might be on the verge of failure. Obama hoped that black caucus opposition to the sentencing provisions might be matched by concerns among some Republicans that the bill could force expensive jail construction (based on the prospect
    that the deterrent effect of blended sentencing might fail, thereby forcing more juveniles into adult prisons). OBAMAS HOPES WERE WILDLY OFF-BASE. IN THE END, the juvenile justice bill passed overwhelmingly. GIVEN HIS AMBITIONS for HIGHER OFFICE, Obama was no doubt reluctant to vote against the final bill. A last-minute, minor and uncontroversial ADJUSTMENT TO THE BLENDED-SENTENCING PROVISIONS by the governor appears to have provided enough political cover for the bills sharpest critics, including Obama to come around and support it.

    Source article:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

  • Posted By: lorenahfoster @ 08/20/2008 6:11:49 AM

    I DID NOT LIKE THIS STORY AT ALL

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 10:09:10 PM

    Feel free to pass the links I provided below onto other bloggers, etc., because that is the only way people are going to get the information out about Obama past history when he continually blocked the Born Alive Infant Protection Act while he served as state senator. Once he left office, sure enough the bill passed. Obama has been stating that the state bill did not adequately protect Roe v. Wade (his reason why he did not vote for the state bill), when in fact it has been proven that both the State bill and the Federal bill are worded EXACTLY the same (physical proof counters his claim). He is being caught in a lie, and the MainStreamMedia is doing everything they can to keep this information suppressed from public consumption. PLEASE, folks, read these articles and pass them onto others. Thanks. ; - D


    Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act
    4-2-2008
    by Jill Stanek

    PART I

    On JAN. 10, 2005, newly elected U.S. Sen. Barack Obama visited former colleagues and staffers at the Illinois state Capitol, where he had served seven years as state senator. I happened to be at the Capitol that day, too, and a friend and I took the opportunity to speak to Obama, who had not yet achieved rock-star status and was still approachable.

    We were in Springfield to lobby for passage of the STATE BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT, legislation that would require hospitals to care for infants who survive an abortion. OBAMA SPOKE AGAINST the legislation in 2001 and 2002 and SINGLE-HANDEDLY DEFEATED IT in committee in 2003.

    My friend stood in Obamas path and said, Senator, we are going to pass Born Alive here in Illinois this year. Obama smiled smoothly and agreed, I think you will, adding, I would have voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois HAD IT BEEN WORDED the SAME as the Federal bill. I think that is the position the Democrats should take(, he said).

    THERE IS JUST ONE THING HE FORGOT TO MENTION: Obama had STOPPED his committee from adding the Federal wording. With Obama no longer in the state Senate, the Born Alive legislation passed in 2005.

    First Encounter

    An Illinois lawmaker offered the FIRST DRAFT of the states BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT in 2001 after I revealed publicly that Christ Hospital left babies who survived abortion - viable babies whose delivery was induced, and whom the abortionist intended to kill but somehow survived - in a utility room to die.

    The bill, sponsored by (Illinois) state Sen. Patrick O???Malley of Oak Lawn defined BORN ALIVE using LANGUAGE IDENTICAL TO that of FEDERAL LEGISLATION introduced in 2000 by Rep. Charles Canady, R-Fla., who in turn drafted wording

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

    (Continued below - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 10:06:58 PM



    (Continued from above - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

    PART II

    developed by the World Health Organization in 1950 and adopted by the United Nations in 1955:

    DEFINING BORN ALIVE:

    The term BORN ALIVE, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the COMPLETE EXPULSION or EXTRACTION from its mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion. I first encountered Barack Obama on March 27, 2001, when I testified before the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he was a member. My testimony included my description of holding a premature aborted baby until he died:

    One night, a nursing co-worker was taking an ABORTED DOWNS SYNDROME BABY who was BORN ALIVE TO OUR SOILED UTILITY ROOM because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have time to hold him. I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived. He was 21 to 22 weeks old, weighed about ½ pound, and was about 10 inches long. He was too weak to move very much, expending any energy he had trying to breathe. Toward the end, he was so quiet that I could not tell if he was still alive unless I held him up to the light to see if his heart was still beating through his chest wall. After he was pronounced dead, we folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where all of our dead patients are taken.

    Obama questioned whether the BORN ALIVE legislation would impede the right to abort and doctor/patient decision-making. He and an American Civil Liberties Union attorney speculated BORN ALIVE would force doctors to resuscitate nonviable aborted babies.

    Obama OPPOSED BORN ALIVE in committee, BUT voted PRESENT - neither yes nor no, but merely present - on the Illinois state Senate floor, one of MANY PRESENT VOTES that Hillary Clinton has cited as evidence that Obama lacks leadership skills. Clinton voted for the federal Born Alive bill, putting her on record as more pro-life than Obama.

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

    (Continued below - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 10:04:49 PM



    (Continued from above - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

    PART III

    Constitutional Blindness

    A graduate of Harvard Law School, Obama TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at the University of Chicago for 10 years. Both schools are listed in the top 10 law schools in the country. BUT Obama revealed his CONSTITUTIONAL BLIND SPOT in his (own) book The Audacity of Hope:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created [emphasis added] equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.???

    OBAMA: (T)he essential idea behind the Declaration ??? that we are BORN [emphasis added] into this world free, all of us; that each of us arrives with a bundle of rights that cannot be taken away by any person or any state without just cause; that through our own agency we can, and must, make of our lives what we will, is one that every American understands.

    Note Obamas choice of the word BORN over the word CREATED. Perhaps that helps explain his (Obamas) support for UNRESTRICTED ABORTION. Also note that our BUNDLE OF RIGHTS can be TAKEN AWAY with JUST CAUSE.

    Obama clearly considers abortion a JUST CAUSE. Here is how he argued against Born Alive during Illinois Senate debate in 2001:

    OBAMA: I just want to suggest . . . that this (legislation) is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we are really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a - child, a 9-month-old - child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it, it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.

    The legislation passed the Senate, but (it) did not survive in the House. When Rep. O'Malley reintroduced Born Alive and its companion bills in 2002, they headed again to the same committee, where Obama rewrote history:

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

    (Continued below - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 10:01:12 PM


    (Continued from above - Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act )

    PART IV

    OBAMA: Ms. Stanek, your initial testimony last year showed your DISMAY AT THE LACK OF REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE. I agreed with you last year, and WE SUGGESTED that there be a Comfort Room or something of that nature be done. The hospital acknowledged that and changes were made and you are still unimpressed. It sounds to me like you are really not interested in how these fetuses are treated, but rather not providing absolutely any medical care or life to them.

    Of course, Obama HAD NOT AGREED with me the year before, and I WAS THE ONE who had TOLD HIM ABOUT THE COMFORT ROOM, which the hospital created in response to MY testimony: We now have this prettily wallpapered room. There is even a NICE WOODEN ROCKER in the room to rock live aborted babies to death.

    The hospital made live birth abortions LOOK NICER, but the end result was still DEAD BABIES.

    OBAMA SAID: What we are doing here is to create one more burden on women, and I can not support that, and he voted NO in committee again.

    The bill went again to the Senate floor, where Obama was the SOLE SPEAKER AGAINST IT, claiming that it would impose a BURDEN on PHYSICIANS:

    OBAMA: [T]his [legislation] puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they are performing this procedure, that in fact, this is a nonviable fetus.

    Troubled Conscience?

    Democrats won control of the Illinois state Senate in November 2002, and when Born Alive was REINTRODUCED FOR THE THIRD TIME in 2003, it was directed to the Obama-chaired, infamously LIBERAL Health and Human Services Committee, where HE simply REFUSED TO CALL IT FOR A VOTE.

    By this time Obama was running for U.S. Senate. He won his primary in March 2004, and Republicans recruited former U.N. Ambassador Alan Keyes, who lived in Maryland, to oppose him. It was Obamas position against Born Alive that persuaded Keyes to run, as he stated in his announcement speech:

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

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  • Posted By: dfe1 @ 08/13/2008 1:44:07 PM

    rapidiron: Marital infidelity is the least of the negative aspects of Clinton's "legacy". He isn't the first president to have extra-marital sex and I'm sure, won't be the last. As far as I'm concerned, Clinton is a spineless sleaze bag who lied to the American public, and who lowered the United States' standing in the world community by continually failing to respond to threats against American interests. I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but his policies have made America more secure and have thwarted a number of terrorist assaults. In Obama, I see "Bill Clinton II", a weak, wavering politician who will increase the risk of the US being subjected to increasing numbers of terrorist attacks.




    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/15/2008 8:02:31 PM

      Clinton stuck his head in the sand and his fingers where they didn't belong....

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 1:15:51 PM

      That's all valid, though I don't agree on your points. Thanks for posting a thoughtful one, sans insults though. How refreshing.

  • Posted By: Demforlife @ 08/08/2008 12:53:58 PM

    The South has always been slow and resistant to change. Barack
    Obama scares with many white southerners because he is a strong
    voice for change just like Martin Luther King Jr. The South is definitely
    changing and many whites feel threatned by the fact that immigration
    from Latin America and Asia is changing their way of life forever and
    they soon could be the minority.

    • Posted By: Davole @ 08/11/2008 1:07:21 AM

      Demforlife -

      Wasn't it Martin Luther King Jr. that stated that he was looking forward to the day when a person would be judged according to his character instead of the colour of his skin?

      If that noble aim were to be realized, over 90% of blacks wouldn't be automatically supporting Barack Obama!

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/15/2008 1:02:06 PM

        Generalizing that blacks 'automatically' support Obama is as much playing the race card as Obama saying that his opponents have said he doesn't look like past presidents as a point.

        At least with Obama's remark it was factual--that many people have brought up 'Hussein' or his past, his religion, or his nationality. Your generalization is actually going a bit further, don't you see?

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:08:26 AM

        Blacks support Obama overwhelmingly because he is a democrat

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/08/2008 10:45:43 PM

      Yep, spewing such total idiocy definitely makes you a DEMFORLIFE. A perfect name for you.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 12:42:05 PM

        Like the pot calling the kettle black; anyone on the forum can read through your posts and note that you're probably among the most ignorant and idiotic of all posters.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/10/2008 12:45:36 PM

          Anyone on the forum? In your breathtaking arrogance, you assume that everyone is just like you. Thank God they are not.

          Your itellectual dishonesty and the clear, total disdain for your own country make me sick.

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/12/2008 2:07:23 PM

            I'm glad I'm breathtaking to you Jimbo. Time to update your thesaurus skills, buddy.

  • Posted By: redstate @ 08/04/2008 9:37:52 PM

    I am a white male from the midwest who just moved to the south. Charlotte is a melting pot of people from the north who are here for great jobs. But if you leave this area and are out for a Sunday drive, beware of the white people. They are scary! They want to live in a small world and cling to hate to help justifying their shortcomings. Go get an education and some balance. Remember West Virginia loves Clinton. 2 million people, 10 last names. Go Obama.

    • Posted By: community organizer @ 08/14/2008 3:23:35 PM

      The only shortcoming the people of Charlotte have are people like you moving there

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/05/2008 12:06:35 AM

      Redsate. You sound woefully ignorant. I have travelled all over this country and I have seen scary ignorant people in Maine, Vermont, California, and Oregon. They don't just exist in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. You sound rather limited in your education.

    • Posted By: Carolina Blue @ 08/04/2008 10:37:12 PM

      Let me guess you moved here because your location didn't have any jobs and no one where you lived ever made racist comments and it was utopia??? If you don't like it here go back to the Midwest and go on welfare. People like you ruin this area with your prejudice towards southerners.

    • Posted By: Carolina Blue @ 08/04/2008 10:33:41 PM

      Let me guess you moved here because your location didn't have any jobs, no one where you lived ever made racist comments, and it was utopia??? If you don't like it here go back to the midwest and go on welfare. People like you ruin this area with your prejudice towards southerner's.

    • Posted By: carl6352 @ 08/04/2008 10:12:02 PM

      red state. its not his color its him. he his a leftwing socialist. who was raised by the teachings of the black panthers, rev wright, louis farrakan. its not his color please dont bring race into a non-racial election

    • Posted By: tnvoter @ 08/04/2008 9:51:44 PM

      If you don't like the scary white people from the south, why don't you take your Obama lovin' butt back where you came from! :)

  • Posted By: mightnotvoteobama @ 08/14/2008 9:29:24 AM

    I am bothered, in the first place, by the promises being made by both men. I am bewildered that both men are making legislative promises.

    ???When I am president,??? each man says, ???I will ...??? Now correct me if I am wrong, that I might have missed something while I was busy getting old, but when I studied government in school, I think I remember that there were three branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial. For the purpose of this essay only, the judicial branch of government will be overlooked.

    In an over-simplification of job descriptions, the president and cabinet are the executive part of the branch trio. The president should keep himself busy conferring with the cabinet and agencies, being commander in chief, setting policy, giving state dinners, making nice with other countries, declaring states of emergency, signing or vetoing legislation, etc. The legislative part of the trio (the representatives and senators) has as its job initiating legislation as needed for the good of the country and their constituents, serving on investigative committees, etc.

    Now we get to my contention. Both Senator McCain and Senator Obama are expounding on what they will do as president while continuing to speak like legislators. What they are promising to do in the future as the executive is what they should be proposing now in their current positions as legislators.

    Come on now, fellas, if you believe so strongly in what changes need to be made for the good of the country???s problems with the economy, the oil crisis, education and health care, why have you not been back in Washington rallying support in the Senate and writing bills which would begin the miraculous cures now that you are promising for the future? Both you senators remind me of poker players with your cards clutched to your chests. Both of you are bluffing that you have a straight flush, ace high, while holding nothing more than a pair of jacks.
    Unfortunately, the other people sitting at the table are about to be taken. Their names are Americans and Voters. Come on now, fellas, if you plan to play this game, show us your cards. Lay them on the table. Show us how you plan to win the game. Show us a workable plan for the cures you are promising. If these plans are so good, why haven???t you been busy in the Senate doing what you are paid to do for the country? Why are you holding back? Is it all a bluff?

    Up to this point in the election process, the only thing that has been shown to the voters is age and charisma, experience and inexperience, war hero and academic scholar, pedigree and boot strap climber. Show us some substance. As the commander in chief, how, I repeat, how will you act as leader to make your promises reality? I need to know before I vote; otherwise I will continue to be bothered and bewildered, but certainly not bewitched.


  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 08/07/2008 10:17:25 AM

    To all who thinking of taking that leap of faith and voting for obama (the [mess]iah ) lets talk about faith. Now faith is real easy to come by if you have nothing at stake, picture if you will a tight rope walker up on the tight rope pushing a wheel barrow, you watch him go back and forth across the tight rope over and over again! Then he looks down on you and asks do you think I can do it again? And you shout yes! He says okay then get in the wheelbarrow! Will you do it? Do you still have faith that he can make it across? It???s a little different now right because you are at stake! Now lets take a look at obama he is a great speaker and seems to be intelligent. But is he the answer to our problems? Can he really do what he says? I myself can take that leap of faith because obama is not proven nor has he been tested in real leadership, he may be able to run this country once he has more experience under his belt but I don???t think he is ready now! If we put him into office and he is not able to deliver then we will have to deal with far more problems than we have right now! Take a good look at barrack obama and ask yourself is he ready? What about his problems with things like rev. Wright and William Ayres, Tony resko and the list goes on and on , if he was doing business with these folks that right there should question his ability to have sound judgement of what???s right and wrong! If you still choose to support barrack obama then so beit but remember it will be a long drop out of that wheel barrow and the ground will hurt when you end up there!

    • Posted By: KellyBrowning @ 08/07/2008 12:22:47 PM

      You are on the right track. In a nutshell, we're talking about a vote for hope. Hope? Is that all "the Messiah" can offer us, other than taxing us to our graves and turning the US into the largest "Nanny State" in the world? Please people, vote for substance and not just hope. I'm not exactly a big McCain supporter, but at least we know what we're getting with him. With Barry, who knows? Hope and Change? How about this: Hopefully, people will change their minds and stop fawning at the Messiah.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/07/2008 1:27:02 PM

        You said, "I'm not exactly a big McCain supporter, but at least we know what we're getting with him."

        What are you getting with him? I know he has put out a gas tax holiday which no one supported other than HRC. He put out a battery contest (still laughing) for a battery that has already been invented. So what else other than photo ops has McCain presented? Obama has placed his energy initiaitives on the table for everyone to see. He has presented laternative energy plans. He has presented his views on the war on terrorism along with forging alliances with other countries which will be divulged in more specific details come Convention and Debate time. Every policy he has set on the table will be perfected as advisors that specialize in specific areas will critique and provide crucial adjustments to his initiatives. He is doing what must be done in a presidential capacity. McCain is too busy making enemies with foreign countries. I'm sure there are countries and world/regional leaders that already feel disrespected because McCain doesn't know where they are or what they represent. He has already threatened Iran with War, confused borders and tribes in the Mideast Regions. McCain obviously does not have advisors that are capable of providing him with the information that is needed. If you are expecting him to serve alone, then there are real problems with how certain people view politics. And if he doesn't have anyone in position to advise him properly, then he won't understand any more anytime sooner. McCain supporters need to get off the Messiah kick. There's only one Messiah and he will deal with Blasphemy soon enough.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 10:48:24 PM

          Cloud. You talk about McCain not knowing borders. What about Obama not knowing the length of preidential terms. He talked about the next 8 - 10 years. Even if your man is elected to two terms that will only be 8 years. Obama has had several gaffes as well.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:20:39 AM

            Technically I do not think this qualifies as a gaffe, because he said he hope to do business with the German Government for the next 8-10 years. He did not say in what capacity he would do this. If he had said next 8-10 years as the president of the U.S. then it would be a gaffe. I do not hold any of the Gaffes against the candidates.

            • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/13/2008 10:54:22 PM

              Radave. If you dont hold gaffes against candidates then I would have say that you are a good person and I mean that sincerely. Unfortunately, so many journalists love to attack any "gaffe" made by McCain. I guess my point is, for the most part, the media is very biased and it could backfire on them. If the media really wants Obama (such as the "wise" people of MSNBC, then they might stop some of the Obama overkill).

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 3:14:53 AM

            How does a Presidential candidate say something like that, 10 years(?). He has siad weird statements like this quite a few times and he is not 72 years old. Its like he reallly does not have a handle on this countrys basics and is haiving his strings pulled like a puppet most of the time cuz every once in a while something slips out that is so wacky it makes you wonder aLOT about the real Obama.

        • Posted By: community organizer @ 08/11/2008 2:54:15 PM

          It would be really hard to knock McCain's geography when B. Hussein says that he has campaigned in all 57 states

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:29:04 PM

          Why drag HRC into the McCain criticism?

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 2:42:35 PM

            It is supposed to show that the other 2 candidates brought forward more vague or misleading promises in order to emphasize the error of the previous post. 'Dragging' HRC into his post did not include any additional opinions on her, insults, or even comments, save for the very true position that she took (that I was disappointed in actually).

            While others are constantly calling Obama out for being vague, he is actually the one who has given his stands relatively clearly and has often chose the high road even when it is a known unpopular choice, and you bet he knows that he will be reamed for it; however, it seems that he takes said positions despite this. This is integrity, and it is concrete because we all see him do it. Many people call to a lack thereof, and it???s all opinion or simple seething rhetoric, often a bit too passionate for its lack of substance.

            • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/07/2008 2:58:21 PM

              Exactly. Also, HRC is in fact opening herself up to criticism once again by drumming up the delegate talk once more. I'm not saying she is speaking against Obama but she definitely needs to speak often and loudly on his behalf. She gives nuanced speeches which rends support for the democratic base further from its message. I don't know if she realizes it has a negative impact in some instances but she needs to gain perspective about what is at stake.

              • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 3:18:31 PM

                Hillary has done everything Obama has asked her to do. I'm willing to be persuaded, but its Obama and his supporters who will have to persuade. The experience factor is still a concern. It was Obama who brought up counting all of the FL and MI delegates, which in my mind, opened up what had been a healing wound.

                • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:27:15 AM

                  I think Obama saw it as a way to try to heal those wounds, maybe he was wrong in that assumption.

              • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/07/2008 3:00:39 PM

                My comment was in agreement to Rapid and directed to News and Notes.

            • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:50:02 PM

              Obama..... taking the high road. That's pure comedy, rapidiron.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:01:28 PM

                Wow, what a great comment. So chocked full of critical thought.

                /end sarcasm

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:53:42 PM

              McCain and HRC were not the only two US legislators or citizens who supported a gas tax holiday

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:03:49 PM

                True, but they are the only two who are/were running for president!

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 5:19:48 PM

                  Cloud o smoke didnt limit his comment to presidential candidates

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:56:07 PM

              HRC is not a candidate for president, but since she is being brought up, many of us found her ideas to be clear and concise.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 5:39:04 PM

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUpM42X-DCs

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 2:29:23 PM

          Well said.

        • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/07/2008 2:12:37 PM

          You tell them, Cloudosmoke!!!

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 7:43:51 PM

        The only people that refer to Obama as "The Messiah" are you righ-wingers. If Obama is the Messiah and John McCain is opposing him, does that make McCain the Anti-Christ? We know exactly what we will get with McCain, four more years of the same failed republican policies. You said you are worried about being taxed to your grave. A little fact that the Republicans fail to mention is that unless you make over $250,000 the bush tax cuts did not affect you and any tax increase proposed by Obama will also not affect you.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 10:44:25 PM

          That is true about Bush. However, Obama is talking about doubling the capital gains tax rate. I am just a regular working Joe and I make far less than $250K, but I do invest some. How are you going to encourage investment if you are talking about doubling the capital gains rate? However, with Obama, you never know what he will say next. Yes, McCain has flip flopped. They all do. One reason why the "right" and some centrists attack Obama is because he and his most ardent followers were acting like he was so above all of the dirty politics. But frankly, Obama is just another politician who makes grandiose speeches.

          • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 6:52:01 PM

            No. Obama is not talking about doubling the capital gains tax rate. McCain is talking about Obama doubling the capital gains tax rate. McCain is talking about alot of things, but that doesn't make them anymore true.

            McCain was also singing the praises of a Gas Tax Holiday for consumers. Just because he said it was relief for people at the gas pump didn't make it tru. What he didn't mention then was that the Gas Companies were actually the ones who got the holiday.

            Obama is remarkably consistent compared to the image that the FOX News Nuts try to portray.
            He hasn't really flipped on FISA (compromise)
            He hasn't really flipped on gun control (just hasn't changed his position)
            He hasn't really flipped on drilling (compromise)
            But you wouldn't know that if you just listen to McCain and his supporters. If you're going to get your information about McCain from McCain, then perhaps you should at least get your information about Obama from Obama.

            There is a difference between a flip-flop and a compromise, and it isn't really that hard to recognize. When I say drilling is not really a solution, but I'm willing to givein on that if we can pass REAL solutions, that isn't really a flip.
            If one day you say drilling is not a solution, and then you turn around and say drilling is a solution. That is a flip.

            .

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 12:59:29 PM

              Nice facts.

              Some people like facts. Some people like crap. What a strange world we live in.

              It's funny that the previous poster is basically saying that he likes McCain because he knows McCain has flip-flopped but with Obama he doesn't know WHEN he will flip-flop. Does this make any sense??

              • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:10:38 PM

                Rapidiron. You need to learn to read. I didn't come right out and said that I like McCain. I am voting for McCain. But I personally cannot think of one good reason to vote for Obama. My point and it sems that you are oblivious to points is that your guy is a typical politician. Many of us have heard MSNBC, et al cram him down our throats and To me he offers nothing. Fluff and no substance. And contrary to what you and some your paranoid left wing friends think we don't all go to Fox. Let's face it, you are not going to convince me to vote for Obama. If you want to sing his praises fine. But fortuanately not everybody thinks like you.

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/12/2008 2:00:40 PM

                  I know you want to address my post and simply insult, insult, insult. Why don't you address the points of Metzlord's posts that I am pointing out?

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 5:31:22 PM

        You know. . . that is a good way at looking at it. At least we know what we are getting with McCain compared to Barack. Simple but so true. : - )

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:24:25 AM

          Yes, we know what we will get with McCain and I do not like it, so I will not vote for him.

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 5:26:47 PM

        So you don't know what you're getting with Obama? You could find out. Turn off FOX news.
        With an open mind go read one of Obama's books. Go see him speak. Visit his web site. Review his comments after some of his votes, and look at his votes.
        Sure you can sit there and say you don't know what he's about, so you'll vote for McCain.
        But isn't that kind of lazy?

        At a time when war is being used as energy policy,
        At a time when Republicans in office sold America a war based on lies,
        At a time when they unbalanced the budget after it was already balanced in the 90s,
        At a time when Republican campaign strategists openly say that lying and slander is a valid campaign tactic,
        At a time when gas has gone above $4.50/ gallon after 30 years of drilling for oil and a war with Iraq as our energy policy,
        At a time when the justice department is being subverted with Conservative Republican affiliation as a job requirement regardless of qualifications,
        After the incidents of FISA, and spying on the American people
        After the torture in prison camps
        After Republicans have expressed repeated disregard for the builtin Legislative checks and balances over the Executive branch

        Don't you think it might be worth doing a little homework this year?

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 08/09/2008 10:05:57 AM

          i have read some of obama's books and i have listened to his speaches nad i am still not impressed with him ask your self where his judgement was while dealing with resko, ayres and wright ask your self why he wrote about feelings of being racist in his book and why all the shady deals with him and his wife were hidden about wal-mart and the univesity hospital in chicago / these things are a big problem for a possible president not to mention his ties with marxist and the 2nd cousin in kenya that he has sent money to for support !

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:10:56 AM

            How many of Obama's books have you read?

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:02:00 PM

      Kind of a really contrived and lame analogy.

  • Posted By: dfe1 @ 08/12/2008 3:13:49 PM

    Christopher Dickey???s article, ???Southern Discomfort??? is at best naïve and at worst a gross misrepresentation of facts. In either case, it???s insulting and condescending to anyone living in the South. Dickey would have readers believe that the South is populated by an unusually high percentage of bigots and xenophobes who long for a return to the days of the Confederacy. Certainly, there are some in the South with that mentality, just as there are in all other parts of this country.

    I was born and raised in New York City, lived in Southern California for 14 years, and moved to Georgia 24 years ago. I???ve also traveled extensively throughout the country, and in my experience, prejudice, stupidity and ignorance know no geographical boundaries. In some regions, they may be disguised or merchandised as local or ethnic pride, but that doesn???t make them any less real or hateful.

    One example of Dickey???s bias lies in his description of the re-enactment of the 1946 lynching in Moore???s Ford, GA. He paints a picture of lynchings being endemic to the South. In fact, during the 20th century, lynchings of black Americans occurred in Coatsville, PA, Charles City, IA, Marion, IN, Chickasha, OK, Price, UT and Duluth, MN.

    After reading his gory description of the Georgia lynchings, as re-enacted, any reasonable person would have to wonder why the event would be re-enacted at all. A logical conclusion would be that Southern white bigotry is as virulent as ever; Dickey conveniently wanders through two more paragraphs before stating that the re-enactment was, ???sponsored by the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials???.

    So while Dickey would have us believe that Southerners will vote strictly along racial lines, the real bias???in the South and throughout the rest of the country-- is against lack of credibility and experience.

    Dave Emanuel
    Loganville, GA

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/13/2008 10:41:18 PM

      Dave. I enjoyed reading your post. It is good to read something that is open minded. Yes, there is bigotry in the South, but as you stated bigotry knows no boundaries. Like you, I have been fortunate enough to travel throughout this country. I love every region and every state that I have seen. Nevertheless, I have seen ignorance and bigotry in all states, not just the so called more ignorant and backward South and Appalachian region. Frankly, one of the biggest problems that plagues every segment of American society today is the rapid growth of dysfunctional families. Until this issue is addressed we will continue to suffer.

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