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  • Posted By: M@gnolia @ 08/06/2008 6:23:28 PM

    I know I'm going to get creamed for saying this, but the real divide in this election--at least it seems to me-- is not between black and white, rich and poor, old and young--it's between people who want to live in the future and people who are clinging to the past. That's why Barack is doing better in lily white Western states than people expected. Because those folks, while they have solid "family values," are mavericks--they're not trapped in tradition. I moved back home to the South after living in TX and Cali--and it was a brutal readjustment. Good Lord, my fishing buddy in Charleston, a guy who never went to college, could recite from memory the Lords Proprietors who founded the city in 1670. People from other regions look at you like you're high or crazy if you clutter your brains up with that kind of nonsense. Southerners live in the past--sometimes it crowds out the present--and the future is something I hardly ever hear people talk about except in a negative sense. So yeah, "change" doesn't really resonate as a message for a lot of people. All ages, all races, all incomes ... But me? I can't wait.

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 10:56:45 PM

      Yes some change is good. But Obamists want change back to an old style socialist agenda. His ideas aren't new and they don't work. You don't start a tax/welfare state like Sweden during hard economic times. So Obama isn't all that futuristic. Obama just represents failed ideas of the past.

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 7:04:40 PM

        That just isn't true.
        The failed policies of the past are:
        1) Drilling for oil, and essentially ignoring investment in infrastructure for local clean renewable energy for 30 years.
        2) Stomping all over basic rights provided by the constitution.
        3) Slandering your opponent based on lies.
        4) Subverting the justice department hiring policies with requirements of Republican party affiliation.
        5) Using war as energy or economic policy.
        6) Refusing to balance the budget, and driving us further into debt.

        I'd sure be curious to know what you think are failed policies of the past. Social Security?

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:19:29 PM

          Jimmy Carter was a failure as a President. Like Barack Obama, he gave empty pie-in-the-sky speeches. When Carter left office, we had been humiliated by the radical regime of the Ayatollah Khomeini and we were having double digit inflation. During the Reagan years, the economy improved and we won the Cold War. I will give you that Bill Clinton lead us during a very prosperous time. But Clinton had the good sense to work with the Speaker of the House , Newt Gingrich. Obama. in three short years, does not show that same willingness to work with the other party. A good leader will try to work for compromise. Obama talks a lot about unifying; however, his voting record proves otherwise.

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/13/2008 10:56:28 AM

            tiredofobama: I respect your post here as it really does address valid concerns.

            I just think that there isn't enough evidence that Obama won't work across party lines.

            Additionally, Jimmy Carter was 24 years ago and so the aatempts at parallel for Obama and him seem weak to me at best. Clinton's policies that oversaw the great economic climb in history are those that Obama is closer to. I see that often people bring up Jimmy Carter in regards to economy and foreign policy, but it was 24 years ago, and seems to avoid a Clinton legacy where the only bad thing people usually bring up is marital infidelity--that we see all to often nowadays with politicians and candidates on both sides.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:31:29 AM

            Unfortunately in the last three years, McCain has not shown much of a willingness to work with dems either, since he has voted with Bush over 95% of the time.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/06/2008 10:08:16 PM

      So let me get this straight; knowing and understanding history is "cluttering up your brain with nonsense"! That is an astonishingly ignorant statement.

      Those who ignore history are doomed to forever repeat its mistakes. And you seem blissfully ignorant and ready to do exactly that.

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/07/2008 2:25:39 PM

        jimbo, you are the ignorant one. You can't even comprehend where this person as been in their life. Its wonderful that she can see the differences in our own country and how each part was built upon.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 5:09:22 PM

          Frankly, I don't care where this person has been in their life and it's totally irrelevent anyway. I was calling them out on their ridiculous and frankly dangerous comment implying that understanding history is somehow a bad thing. The comment they made that I referenced is the height of ignorance.

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 7:43:02 PM

            Wow you are just an idiot.

            Do you know what history she speaks of? Do you know what the ???Lords Proprietors??? is that she mentions and in what context it is being used? You even contradict your own statement: where a person has been in their life and their experiences are like history through their eyes. What they have learned and seen when observant and objective (things you should really look up the definition in) are as valuable to take in as history.

            To ignore or condemn that experience is just as you say--ridiculous. You ARE the height of ignorance (or a troll, lol, in which case, you have me).

            • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 10:59:27 PM

              Rapidiron. You should know about idiots since you are one.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:11:11 PM

                I love that you guys are attacking me since you've run out of any real points to make.

                Note that I simply answer in turn to your posts. If you feel so insecure that you need to band up to insult me, then by all means. I sincerely hope you have a good day :)

                • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:52:29 PM

                  Rapid. Actually, you started the insult parade. But I know that I went over the top.

            • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 8:54:41 PM

              I didn't contradict myself even a little bit. Your ongoing word-processed mush doesn't change that.

              I've seen you attempt to do these word games with other posters, one of them even accuses you of "twisting his words" elsewhere on the board. How true.

              Evidently, you believe that using lots of words and re-stating what others have said somehow takes the place of logic and reason. Newsflash for you: It doesn't.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:06:24 PM

                Answer your contradiction: you said, 'ignoring history is idiotic'.

                Then you say that a persons (posting above) objective view of things was irrelevant. You do know that history books were written by the people who lived through those times right, and their observations?

                Is this simple enough for you? Are you going to ignore the content again and instead tell me I'm being to wordy for you to dodge such a simple question?

                • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/10/2008 9:28:32 PM

                  You just babble on and on, incoherently.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 7:44:00 PM

        P.S. You DON'T have it straight--since you asked. Read it again.

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 6:34:08 PM

      I don't know why you would get creamed. This seems like a well written and reasonable assessment by someone who actually has the experience. Nice post.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/06/2008 10:48:19 PM

        You should both get creamed for not using your brains. Ignorace of history is a very dangerous thing; yet you two nimrods seem to celebrate it.

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:12:15 PM

          Someone needs to understand the meaning of context and critical reading. I think most would agree you've shown your stupidity and not ignorance with these multiple posts that don't even address the meaning of the original poster had.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 5:04:38 PM

            "Context" and "critical reading" are those lofty concepts you hide behind when your arguments are totally devoid of logic and reason. Which your left wing rants typically are.

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 5:52:57 PM

              Oh no! He said 'left-wing' rant. Look out everyone, we have something new and substantial finally!

              FFS you make my point for me.

              • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/07/2008 6:37:51 PM

                The minute he used nimrod, you should have known how the conversation would go. Good responses.

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:16:54 PM

                  Yeah it appears that we have 2 posters that are just plain hateful. They even went from bashing Obama to bashing me. Keep it coming guys, you're looking great.

                  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/10/2008 9:36:48 PM

                    Wow, you do follow the left-wing playbook closely, don't you?

                    First, you shout "racism" at anyone who disagrees with you (Left winger playbook item 1), then you move on to claiming anything you disagree with is "hateful", or "hate speech" (Left-winger playbook item 2).

                    In the meantime, you of course ignore or refuse to acknowledge your own intolerance, which runs rampant throughout your posts.

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 6:51:03 PM

                Keep eating your cookies. I'll bet your digestive system works a lot better than your brain - because it's not functioning.

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 5:59:29 PM

              Let me explain:

              The orignial poster is saying that people are trapped in the past and showing an example of a good friend who never went to school or undertook anything too cerebral, but instead could recite something extremely old and traditional--the 'Lords Proprietors' that has little or nothing to do with anything relevent today.

              Then you in all your wisdom come and try to set him in his place telling him that he's a numbskull since he said such knowledge of the Lords Proprietors was clutter, when in fact it is.

              I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by saynig you did not read his words in context and were not reading or thinking critically with your insult post.

              You came back with you 'left-wing' bullcrap, parroting buzz-words from very disrespectable and low-class radio shows, etc. Waste of time with you...

              I'm going to go eat a cookie.

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 6:49:33 PM

                How on earth do you know that his friend "never did anything too cerebral?" I guess in your narrow world, if he's from the south and never went to college (gasp - the horror!), he must be a dolt. Your pompous-@$$ attitude is totally over the top.

                But that is to be expected, given the content of your other posts.

                • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:04:25 PM

                  Rapidiron. Before you go off half cocked and act so high and mighty, you might want to check your spelling. You spelled "saying" "saynig." This is such a surprise coming from such an intellectual giant.

                  • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:15:45 PM

                    Calling me an 'intellectual giant' since I've posted on several ideas and try to use exact words to convey what I'm trying to say is going a little far. But thanks anyway, lol.

                    I like the post about my spelling too, that's genius.

                    Jimbo: his friend wasn't too cerebral because that's what the context of the original post was saying. If you read into what is being said there, the poster is saying that his friend didn't do much at all, BUT could recite something irrelevant.

            • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 7:37:13 PM

              Context is a lofty concept? If you don't think context is worth anything then you can't possibly understand most of what is said to you. You can't accurately convey any information without changing the meaning.

              Context is a simple basic concept. It's just that some people choose to ignore it, so that they can distort what others say. That practice in itself is a character flaw.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:05:11 PM

      Great Post!

    • Posted By: glassone83 @ 08/07/2008 8:33:04 AM

      This is a great post. As "polly-anna" as it may be, as human beings, we have far more in common than we do differences. Irrespective of who wins the upcoming election, we have problems in this country that affect all of us and if we ever hope to live in a place that truly lives up to the ideals this nation was founded upon, we will have to let go of those things that divide us. Uh, I know, too optimistic but it doesn't make it less true.

  • Posted By: OKLAtoNOLA @ 08/13/2008 2:17:08 AM

    Reply to rapidron. Don't worry, I'm quite used to being insulted. I'm still regularly abused on the nola.com forums almost every day by some one who has despised me since, September, 1959., only because we have the same last name. I suspect she's seriously mentally ill. I've been accused of being an idiot, a moron, being schizophrenic, having Aspberger's syndrome since grade school, being delusional, deranged, living in a fantasy world ( which is where she lives),out touch with reality, on drugs ( of course I'm on drugs - I've been a type 1 diabetic since I was 26 months old in 1955, lol!!), that I need to take my meds, and that I hate the truth. Davnola's response was very mild after 33 months and counting of that kind of abuse.

  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/07/2008 9:59:49 AM

    Boehner calls on Dems to buck Pelosi
    Politico The Crypt By Martin Kady Aug. 05, 2008

    House Republicans can't take this energy debate anywhere without the help of a few Democrats, so they're targeting the most vulnerable Democrats out there: the freshmen.

    Responding to today's Politico story suggesting that Speaker Nancy Pelosi is letting some of her freshmen in tough districts off the hook on drilling, Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) has called on Democrats to sign a discharge petition that would force the speaker to bring up the Republican energy bill.

    "My message to Democratic lawmakers is this: if you???re really for increased American energy production, then prove it by putting it in writing," Boehner said. "Sign the discharge petitions House Republicans are circulating that will force votes on energy legislation Speaker Pelosi refuses to bring to the floor. "

    Reps. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) and Don Cazayoux (D-La.) have both asked Democratic leaders to consider new oil drilling legislation, but Pelosi seems unwilling to allow a major energy package to move before the election.

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:08:56 PM

      It's also possible that it is legislation for drilling that their constituents do not agree on and thus these representatives aren't going to budge even with spin stories going on such as these.

      Drilling will yield results in approximately 20 years or perhaps 10 years tops, as state by the Department of Energy. These things considered, isn???t the story a bit of spin to cause division and confusion as usual? Nice try though???get out of here with that garbage.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 7:00:42 PM

        So now it takes 20 years to bring oil from the ground to market? I thought all you leftist robots were quoting 10 years. Both are ficition of course, I have read many experts say that most oil fields can be developed and brought to market in 2-3 years. In any event, we better get drilling!

        Of course the real issue here, and we both know it, is that your true motivation is to choke off oil supplies and strangle the US economy. Why? Because you, like most left-wing zealots, are anti-American at your core. You are also fundamentally dishonest, hiding behind a smokescreen of 'concern for the environment', 'global climate change', 'economic justice for all', etc, etc, ad nauseum.

        Frankly, your itellectual dishonesty and total disdain for your own country make me sick.

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/12/2008 2:05:19 PM

          'Left-wing zealots'? 'Anti-American at your core'?

          Lol Jimbo, you're so ridiculously hateful. I'm moderate and you want to bite my head-off and label me with Rush Limbaugh's words. How American are you, who simply wants to start witchhunts? How disgraceful are you who states that others are dishonest, when you have not provided substance for your posts? I hope I make all your kind sick, since I wuold be doing something right. You don't even understand that factual discourse is the basis for truly American discussion; the bashing and name-calling is a shameful neopolitical disgrace.

  • Posted By: DFH216 @ 08/12/2008 10:13:01 AM

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    Actually that passage is the set-up for a story he relates about his father's late brother, who kept a large collection of Civil War artillery in his basement.

    Dickey misfires when he paints the impression that a lot of Southerners are obsessed about the Civil War. The fact is that most have little knowledge of or interest in that titanic, formative conflict of American history. Most simply don't give a hang; it has no relevance to their everyday lives. So what if he sniffed out some fringe group in rural Georgia who re-enact Civil War battles? That scene hardly is representative of most people in Georgia, or anywhere else in the region.

    Beyond Dickey's selective cultural observation, the photos chosen to accompany the article are wildly out of proportion to reality. They include a faded sign in the woods that says "Jesus Saves ... Vote"; a room full of bigoted collectibles such as KKK hoods and the old Georgia flag with its Confederate battle emblem; and a rundown store that is likely abandoned.

    But my favorite was a snapshot of people watching a movie at a "drive-in" theater. What a hoot! At most, there are a handful of drive-ins in the state where that image was taken; and most of them were built at expensive mountain resorts as "retro" cool places for wealthy urbanites who want to get away for the weekend.

    Why does all of this matter? As the CEO of a company that owns the well-respected D.C.-based Southern Political Report, we like to think we know our Southern politics.

    Let's face it: The upshot of this article was to paint the South as a region struggling to emerge from a Civil War and civil rights obsession. A place where an African-American candidate for office - Barack Obama - can't win white votes.

    Yet our most recent InsiderAdvantage survey of the presidential race in one of the states on which Dickey writes proves him dead wrong in his assumption that Obama has no chance to gain white support.

    CNN exit polls show that John Kerry, a white Democrat, carried 23 percent of the white vote in Georgia in 2004. Obama already polls 23 percent among white voters there, and there are still a lot of undecided whites still to make up their minds. Where is this "history laden" barrier for Obama?"

    Mostly inside Dickey's head.

  • Posted By: DFH216 @ 08/12/2008 12:26:35 AM

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    This column ran in the Marietta (GA) Daily Journal. Newsweek would be wise to contract with knowledgeable journalists itself - if it even cares about journalistic integrity and not scripted Hollywood angles.

    Newsweek story on South paints untrue picture

    Published: 08/11/2008

    By Matt Towery
    Columnist

    The cover story in this week's Newsweek is entitled "The End of the South." Some of the story's observations ring true enough.

    Yet the tone of the piece, and its accompanying photos, paint an oversimplified "black and white" portrait of a land that is actually - like most everywhere else - a colorful mix of the flattering and the not-so flattering.

    The main piece was written by award-winning writer Christopher Dickey, the son of the late, famed poet and novelist James Dickey, he of "Deliverance" fame.

    Christopher Dickey is gifted. But the glasses with which he chose to view his native land for this article were tinted with preconceptions. His knowledge of the modern South and its politics is limited.

    A quick check of his bio bears out my take on him. Dickey has served as the bureau chief for Newsweek in Paris (the one in France, not Texas). He's served previously at scattered news bureaus across the world.

    It's likely that Dickey's view of how to evaluate the politics and people of the South in 2008 is something akin to how I might report on England today after having lived there 24 years ago. My compass for even attempting a directional read on the place would be dysfunctional.

    Dickey's thesis, like most stereotypes, is partly true. The South is a region in transition. Sometimes turbulently so.

    What's unsettling about the Newsweek piece is its failure to properly recognize that that much of the population along Dickey's sojourn - the Carolinas, Tennessee and Georgia - is concentrated largely in suburban and exurban areas. The demographic makeup of these concentrations of people are made up, sometimes overwhelmingly, by those originally from places north and west of "Dixie"; often young people, who know little about the Civil War, or about the civil rights, and care even less.

    Yet many of the article's anecdotes center on the politics or the daily lives of people in rural parts of the South, who are an increasingly insignificant part of the whole population.

    Dickey writes that, "People [here] remember what they want and call it history. That much is true almost any place in the world. But in the South, if people aren't careful, history can start to run their lives, even put them at risk." Huh?

    continued next post...

  • Posted By: kristenl.long @ 08/11/2008 6:55:20 PM

    It's to easy to blame the South's complicated present on race alone. However the economic lines that run through southern towns are stronger than those of race. Having grown up in a rural Virginia town before moving to Savannah, GA two years ago, I find that it is poverty and homelessness that divide southerners; there is a tangible difference in attitude between the haves and the have-nots. Additionally, I find it odd that the author makes numerous blanket statements asserting that all white southerners are anti-Obama while all blacks want him to win the presidency. Didn't he grow up in the south? Doesn't he know that southerners are more complicated than that?

  • Posted By: cmccracken @ 08/06/2008 10:09:00 AM

    Cultusdeus, thanks alot for grouping us Southerners in with the likes of you. Great. Now everyone's going to think we're uneducated douchebags. Awesome. Yes, that's exactly what Obama wants to do, I love how well informed you are. Better look out! He might make you harbor illegal aliens, too! Watch out Cultusdeus!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 10:52:14 AM

      Obama supporters did it very skillfully during the primary season

      • Posted By: cmccracken @ 08/06/2008 1:08:50 PM

        Another broad generalization from dumb ass America. "Obama Supporters" did it very skillfully. So all who did so were supporters, and did not detractors? Whatever. Don't be so stupid.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 1:53:15 PM

          Bright, intelligent, wonderful Americans from West Virginia and Kentucky who voted for Hillary were called every name in the book.

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 2:15:47 PM

            This statement coming from someone against democrats by name.

            Nice trying to say anything to prove nothing. You are against democrats, and yet you bring up something about the campaign (not backed up even, just opinion and made up crap) to suit some kind of need to convince others--but where's the substance?

            The fact that you would bring up just about ANYTHING really shows a sick, blind bias here. Where's your credibility? We're all anonymous here, so credibility is earned through substance. Try again.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 2:52:36 PM

              As a registered Democrat for more than 25 years your insults are offensive. Are you here to comment or malign?

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 6:38:46 PM

                I malign or respect depending on the posts I'm addressing, as you can see.

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 12:33:52 PM

                  What I see is you seem to respect or malign based on who agrees with you and who doesn't. Not very substantive.

                  • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 7:50:32 PM

                    That's something you can say plain out of nowhere. And yet when you read your posts I malign each one that is an opinion piece that has no substance. Other ones where you actually make points I just argue against them. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen... it's far more pathetic that you are attacking me for not agreeing with you, while disagreeing with me. That's just desperate.

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/08/2008 9:44:17 AM

                      I don't agree with your assessment, and I'm staying in the ktichen

                      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:53:45 PM

                        I'm glad you are. I respect your openness. Sorry to be a bit aggressive at times. One gets a little heated at times though I'm trying to stay cool.

                        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/11/2008 5:15:55 PM

                          I enjoy spirited debate

                    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 10:19:41 PM

                      once again, lots of words, but saying nothing...

            • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/06/2008 10:16:57 PM

              Very ironic, since I have seen nothing of substance in your posts, just an endless loop repeat of leftist talking points (eg - if you were against Hillary, you are a sexist, if you are against Obama, you are a racist)

              What a tiresome and itellectually vacant rant.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 7:47:07 PM

                Lol, I haven't said either of those things. Apparently you can't read. So sorry--your tactless wordiness and a remedial ability at making points just makes our arguments for us.

                • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/07/2008 9:26:16 PM

                  See below - an exact cut and paste quote from YOU:

                  Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 14:20:58
                  Comment: I nor anyone I knew of, in peson or in the press, called Hilary anything except for people who hated because she was a woman--many the same that hate Obama because he is black.

                  I guess this makes you a lair in addition to being an overbearing, arrogant, left-wing robot.

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 2:20:58 PM

            I nor anyone I knew of, in peson or in the press, called Hilary anything except for people who hated because she was a woman--many the same that hate Obama because he is black.

            Where to you come up with this? Did you poll people? Were you at particular rallies and heard this? Was this on the news? On talkshows? Where are you making this up from?

            The only people I hear overwhelmingly criticizing and name-calling are those on the McCain campaign, or on the most ridiculous talk radio shows. Do you listen to any of those? Just curious.

            How can those shows that spew pure garbage still be on the air? I'm just incredulous. But I digress...

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 2:51:38 PM

              Hillary VOTERS were called every name in the book, right here on this very blog. You like to insult fist, ask later.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 2:13:57 PM

                Again, this is an argument that no McCain or Clinton supporter can win. Go back and read some of the articles both old and new, but you have been on these boards for a while so you have read, I do not remember reading any racist and hateful posts by you, but I know that you have read what has been written about Obama, his wife and even his daughters. Some of you have absolutely no decency or shame to write nasty comments about his children. But since your candidate has freely made nasty jokes about other young girls (McCain's joke about Chelsea) and let's not forget the rape jokes that McCain finds so funny!

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:25:52 PM

                  Obama is am exceptionally intelligent and talented person, and nobody was happier than I when he was elected to the US Senate. I simply don't think he is ready to be president yet. That does not make me racist, and I think he has a beautiful family. At the moment, I don't have a candidate, but I'm willing to be persuaded

                  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:17:03 PM

                    News,

                    I apologize if did not know that you had not decided. Now I hope that you are not an Undecided like Sharenews as she is only intent on spreading negativity about Obama. I respect everyone's right to vote for whomever they choose but I just do not believe that it is necessary to insult them personally in the way that has been done repeatedly on these boards.

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 5:25:58 PM

                      I'm interested in reading others' viewpoints so hopefully I won't be undecided in November. It can be discouraging, however.

                      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:42:05 PM

                        Please please please do not place too much stock in the posts that you read on these boards, mine included. As the only opinions, views and policies that should matter in selecting a candidate are those of the candidates themselves.

                        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 6:27:50 PM

                          Thanks for the advice. I enjoy spirited debate, but some of these posts are outrageous.

                          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/08/2008 12:23:09 PM

                            There is a lot of really intelligent dialog on these boards, but unfortunately anyone can post so there are also a lot of "special" people here also. Every so often I find myself being sucked into responding to one of these hateful idiots, then I feel bad about crawling in the mud with them later.

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 5:27:15 PM

                      I'm trying to be as objective as possible

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/06/2008 6:40:37 PM

                And THIS BLOG represents the entire country? Great crazy polling of the new era!

                Really though, now you might understand the frankness of some of my responses of this thread.

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 12:31:59 PM

                  You said you hadn't heard of any criticisms of Hillary, and I pointed out they were on this blog. I don't see the need to go into point by point instances, but several times on MSNBC, there were direct and indirect comments that a significant number of Hillary supporters were racist.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 1:54:54 PM

          Bright, intelligent, informed, educated, wonderful American Democrats from West Virginia and Kentucky who supported Hillary were called every name in the book last May

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 2:08:41 PM

            Oh you mean like when Obama supporters were heckled, had bottles and rocks thrown at them. Or when they had people in VA yelling "Hang that Darkie from a Tree". Is this what you mean? You and other McCain supporters really should leave this topic alone as there has been nothing said or writtin about either Clinton or McCain that comes close to what was said and written about Obama!

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:20:33 PM

              This article indirectly supports the generalization that southerners who are wary of Obama are racist. I don't.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:14:16 PM

                I personally do not believe that just because you or anyone else chooses to not vote for Obama that this automatically make you a racist. I do not generalize people by their race and definitely not by their geographical location, which is totally stupid.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 2:34:16 PM

              Who said I was a McCain supporter?

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:08:35 PM

                Sorry, then a Clinton supporter. But since Clinton is no longer in the running then the only other Option is McCain. Or are you planning to not vote?

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 1:40:21 AM

            Blah Blah Blah, Clinton, blah, blah, arrogant, blah blah blah, Obams sucks, blah blah blah,

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/07/2008 12:28:14 PM

              That's not what I said. Someone was making a point about Obama's strategy, and I pointed out it has been going on for months

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/06/2008 1:52:12 PM

          Who said all Obama supporters? Where exactly is dumb xxx America? Who is being stupid? The best you can come up with is insults? An Obama supporter exhibiting signs of pompousness and presumptuousness? That's a new concept

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/10/2008 8:42:31 PM

    Sorry for being off topic here but I was on vacation and since I've been back I've not seen anything from Nins.
    Anyone know what happened to Nins?

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/10/2008 9:51:15 PM

      With luck, some of us have run her off for good.

      Personally, I can live without her endless recitation of moveon.org talking points, all the while she was claiming to be: (take your pick)
      * A physician
      * A businesswoman who owned multiple corporations
      * A former Republican, now so "outraged" over GWB, Cheney, Halliburton, New Orleans, etc., etc.
      * A super-hero who leaps tall buildings in a single bound! She's super-Nins!

      I think I played a role in her demise, when I 'outed' her as being a mouthpiece for either moveon.org, The Daily Kos, or some other brainwashed left-wing organization.

      Good riddance.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 08/10/2008 9:59:39 PM

        I agree, good riddance. I think who ever Nins was paid by realized that the cut and paste stuff just wasn't working and fired "nins". I called Nins out on being a physician. I'm a nurse and that person just didn't sound like a physician. I watched a few other articles that spoke to healthcare issues and nins was absent on those. Made me very suspicious. I even asked Nins for opinions on how to fix the health care mess and still nothing. Since I returned from vacation I'm still trying to aquaint myself with some of the new people posting here. I think I smell a few new paid rats. we'll see.

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 08/11/2008 7:35:51 AM

          nins is not a doctor or a nurse she did not even know what a e-topic pregnancy procedure was for late term abortion of a expired fetus that would kill the mother !

          • Posted By: loriw @ 08/11/2008 4:26:30 PM

            ectopic

            • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 08/11/2008 5:04:33 PM

              thanks for the correction it was a type-o

        • Posted By: Davole @ 08/11/2008 12:44:22 AM

          Lori -

          After reviewing and analyzing Nins' previous numerous posts, I do suspect that Nins is a female.

          Further, due to her somewhat informed explanations regarding abortion procedures and techniques, and their frequency or numbers, coupled with her assertions that she is a medical doctor, and her demonstrated lack of any expected competent professional "bed-side manner", I wouldn't be surprised if she is at least a gynecologist, or more probably an abortionist.

          Again, this is only my humble opinion derived from reading her numerous posts.
          I admit that I may be wrong in my suspicions, but this is my honest perception and interpretation.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/11/2008 3:03:54 AM



            On a serious note, I agree that she added alot to the postings here on this site (although I swear I saw her in another blog just last week so she may pop in once in awhile if she has moved onto another site to blog. I can say this much for her that I do respect, much like you Davole, and like I practice myself, is that I dont recall her coming out of no where with outrageous mean attacks on a personal basis with peoples opinions voice in these blogs. So yeah, I would take her postings of her thoughts, even if they might have been derived from moveon.org (I really know nothing about that) cuz she did stir up quite a bit of discussions in the blog which is always a good thing. Nins, where are you?

            .

          • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 2:52:09 AM

            She claimed to be a physician but when I discussed modern medical procedures with her she seemed to be at a loss. It is possible that she was at one time a physician and is now perhaps retired or simply quit practicing. She seemed to have a constant stream of move on.org pastings.

            I have always found her arguments to be thoughtful and she did seem to be a decent person. I think she added more to the conversation with her wit and well thought out answers than she took away from it by her robo postings but that is just my opinion.

            Any way nins if your still out there I hope all is well with you. And us conservatives will be waiting if you decide to wade back into the battle.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/11/2008 2:54:51 AM

        You cracked me up with your post. LOL.

  • Posted By: Michael1861 @ 08/11/2008 2:30:19 PM

    This was more than just a hatchet job on the last bastion of true Americana, "The South," it was propaganda for the Obama campaign. Shameful, but typical of the American press. They can stand so high and so mighty, looking down upon us poor wrenched Southerners drowning in our own sin. Thankfully we have them to shed light on the path to self-righteousness so we might learn better how to hate ourselves.

    It is certainly true that our country is changing, due in no small part to 20 million illegal immigrants. Many people now have no connection to our past from the plight of Native Americans, to the War for American Independence, to the War for Southern Independence or the Civil Rights movement. All of America loses, but then again, isn't that the plan, after all? One North American Country. That ought to be fun. I can't wait.

    But if Americans wish to hold on to the valuable lessons of American history, they need to educate themselves on truth, not emotion. The young Mr. Dicky is playing to his egalitarian friends and their delicate emotions in his article. Do not fall for it. He is part of the leviathan that demands we all walk in lock step.

    Whether you are black or white, Native American or legal immigrant, if you have connections to men that fought and died to make America great join an organization like the Sons of the Revolution or the Sons of Confederate Veterans (www.scv.org). And let's keep the spirit alive. MG

    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/11/2008 4:25:36 PM

      propoganda for the Obama campaign...Newsweek would never do that (read with sarcasm).

  • Posted By: Michael1861 @ 08/11/2008 2:30:38 PM

    This was more than just a hatchet job on the last bastion of true Americana, "The South," it was propaganda for the Obama campaign. Shameful, but typical of the American press. They can stand so high and so mighty, looking down upon us poor wrenched Southerners drowning in our own sin. Thankfully we have them to shed light on the path to self-righteousness so we might learn better how to hate ourselves.

    It is certainly true that our country is changing, due in no small part to 20 million illegal immigrants. Many people now have no connection to our past from the plight of Native Americans, to the War for American Independence, to the War for Southern Independence or the Civil Rights movement. All of America loses, but then again, isn't that the plan, after all? One North American Country. That ought to be fun. I can't wait.

    But if Americans wish to hold on to the valuable lessons of American history, they need to educate themselves on truth, not emotion. The young Mr. Dicky is playing to his egalitarian friends and their delicate emotions in his article. Do not fall for it. He is part of the leviathan that demands we all walk in lock step.

    Whether you are black or white, Native American or legal immigrant, if you have connections to men that fought and died to make America great join an organization like the Sons of the Revolution or the Sons of Confederate Veterans (www.scv.org). And let's keep the spirit alive. MG

    • Posted By: community organizer @ 08/11/2008 3:25:23 PM

      The article is definitely a hatchet job on the people of the south. I was born, raised and still live in "THE SOUTH" and have been working in central N.J. for the past nine months and these are some of the most racist people I have ever been around in my life. Many also have the mindset that we are all ignorant of what's going on outside of where we live and so many have asked me how I am dealing with the culture shock of living in N.J. as if we don't have paved roads and still live in straw huts.............."NOBAMA" because of his policies and no other reason

  • Posted By: DFH216 @ 08/11/2008 3:01:14 PM

    Newsweek has just proven how irrelevant, incompetent and either lazy or out of touch it is. This is the typical hatchet job on the South. Did this writer travel back in time? Absolutely no insight offered at all - I think the recent Dukes of Hazzard movie is more in step with the South. I grew up in Georgia and I've never seen a KKK rally or a Civil War reenactment in my 36+ years. (And most of my friends are Northern transplants and my wife is even Jewish - imagine that!) You know instantly that a story is a hatchet job when they interview Dent Myers. He is notorious as the craziest person in all of Metro Atlanta (5.5 million people), yet the national media hatchet-job types run to him when they want to paint a picture of the "typical Southerner." It's lazy, mindless, irrelevant journalism, and it'd be funny if it weren't so infuriating.

  • Posted By: DFH216 @ 08/11/2008 12:18:31 PM

    Newsweek has just proven how irrelevant, incompetent and either lazy or out of touch it is. This is the typical hatchet job on the South. Did this writer travel back in time? Absolutely no insight offered at all - I think the recent Dukes of Hazzard movie is more in step with the South. I grew up in Georgia and I've never seen a KKK rally or a Civil War reenactment in my 36+ years. (And most of my friends are Northern transplants and my wife is even Jewish - imagine that!) You know instantly that a story is a hatchet job when they interview Dent Myers. He is notorious as the craziest person in all of Metro Atlanta (5.5 million people), yet the national media hatchet-job types run to him when they want to paint a picture of the "typical Southerner." It's lazy, mindless, irrelevant journalism, and it'd be funny if it weren't so infuriating.

  • Posted By: DIXIEGRL @ 08/08/2008 2:07:35 PM

    I AM SICK AND TIRED OF IGNORANT PEOPLE BASHING THE SOUTH.

    • Posted By: ewwade @ 08/08/2008 2:24:54 PM

      I agree with you. The south sent The Clinton's to the north and look at what they have done. All three auto companys are in trouble because of unions. In the south if you are not tough enought to hold the job we fire you and send you north. Stay tough Dixie

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/10/2008 2:55:07 AM

        The three auto makers in the U.S. are not in trouble because of unions, they are in trouble because year after year they produce an inferior product. German auto makers are unionized but they are not losing billions of dollars a year because their products are successful worldwide.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 3:41:36 AM

          The Germans are losing money also. ITs a bad time to be in the Auto Business. The Unions have contributed to the destruction of the auto industry but they provided a better standard of living for a while. Its a tradeoff like everything else. Too much money flows one way and then the other.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/11/2008 6:04:15 AM

            I was of course talking worldwide, not just in America. Toyota lost money in the states, but has also turned a profit worldwide. American cars, except for the classic muscle cars are not very popular in the rest of the world and they cannot even be sold in some countries such as China, because American cars do not meet the MPG standard there.

  • Posted By: Hope Hill @ 08/08/2008 1:37:16 PM

    The far republicans and media are doing to Obama now exactly what they did to Hillary, announced from the very beginning by Rove, engaged in all kinds of difamation, twisting every thing they say and do. The same far right media and republicans that supported Obama are now supporting McCain; they knew that with Hillary McCain had no chance. Who are the victims? us!! the poor and middle class.

    Now the far right is using race and religion to brain-wash the South conservatives.

    Democrats get it through your head that the only chance that Obama has is with Hillary, leave aside the chauvinistic insecurities; do it for us, the people and the good of the country: it it good to have pride but over doing is not positive.

    Hope Hill

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 3:57:01 AM

      Brainwashed? Your the Kool aid drinkers who are willing to follow a guy with no experience but is relying entirely on the fact that you are so sick of the current administration that if he humms the word Change you all scream AMEN! Without even questioning what the change will be.

      You guys are flirting with a socialist and haven't even grasped the economic consequences of your decision. You may think that life couldn't get any worse than under George Bush but I assure you it can and will under Obama. If he Increases the burdon on the oil companies they will pass it on to us the consumer. The oil companies profits are huge because the companies are huge. Dollar for dollar they make less than most of the companies in America. In other words if the oil companies spend 100 dollars they make 8 dollars profit. they had to spend 145 billion dollars so they could make 11.5 billion in profit last quarter. Yes the numbers are huge but they are not unreasonable to scale. If you invest 100 dollars you would probably expect to have more than 108 dollars at the end of the year. But that is what the oil companies deal with.

    • Posted By: ewwade @ 08/08/2008 2:13:16 PM

      I thought Obama had a running mate Usama Bin Laden as his VP or running mate, It better than have Clinton by his . Bill Clinton will be having girl scout troops over for slumber party if he get near the White House with free cigars. At least Usama Bin Laden tells the truth unlike Mrs. Clinton Thanks EW

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/10/2008 2:56:20 AM

        That is a disgusting comment.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 12:39:41 PM

        So easily brainwashed to say ignorant things like ewwade... Good luck U.S.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 12:39:35 PM

        So easily brainwashed to say ignorant things like ewwade... Good luck U.S.

  • Posted By: DIXIEGRL @ 08/08/2008 2:09:07 PM

    THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE THE SOUTH LOOK BAD. MERELY YANKEE PROPAGANDA. THE SOUTH IS ON A STOOL OF EVER-LASTING REPENTANCE.

    • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/09/2008 11:15:07 AM

      The civil war was not about slavery. That was what we are to believe from history books. The freeing of slaves was a nessesary objective that would have happened anyway. The real reason was money. Look at who funded both sides of the war. People die every day because of greed of the super rich the civil war is no different. The guilt being put on is just another tactic in there divide and conquer mode of operation.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 3:37:33 AM

        you and your super rich theories. get over it already. The Rich are people too.

      • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 10:59:27 PM

        Very True.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/10/2008 9:20:44 AM

    Demographic Breakdown....

    Live in Reality, Race Bating and Fear Mongering Can't Help You Detract from the Cold Hard Facts Below...

    Obama will Win the Majority of the (Asian Vote) he was just recently Endorsed by the Largest Asian American Organization with Over active 800,000 Members.

    Newly Sworn in Americans, an often Overlooked Group in this debate, regardless of Race, Creed or Color. These Groups consist of a multitude of races.

    Universal Health Insurance Factor: Uninsured Americans or Americans who cannot Afford Insurance will Vote for Obama.

    Afro-Americans, 90-95% regardless of Political Persuasion are going to Vote for Obama.

    White American Females, Majority will Vote for Obama, based on, American Mothers -Women Anti-Iraq War Sentiments, especially based on a (Woman's Right to Choose) and other Womens Right Issues, McCain will get Trumped in November.

    White Americans , Male -Female, ages 18-45 will Vote for Obama and thats Poor and Working Middle Classes.

    Bi-Racial America, The UnHeralded Demographic an often Overlooked Group, The Hidden Group...

    Like Halle Berry, Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter and Tiger Woods types, will makes themselves KNOWN in November.

    Hispanic American 65-70% will Vote Obama and that Number will Grow, as the Election, gets CLOSER to NOVEMBER.

    Gay-Lesbian American Vote, regardless of their Political Persuasion.

    Independent, Moderate America, regardless of Political Afilliations or past Associations, will Vote Obama.

    Its just that Simple and Plain
    --------------------------------------------

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/11/2008 2:55:11 AM

      Everyone in the world is going to vote for Barrak Obama Except me but I think I can win this one on my own.




  • Posted By: Shelley37860 @ 08/06/2008 5:23:10 PM

    The only reason my family is voting for Obama is because of his "promise" to end the war. I have a brother in the Marines in Iraq who is on his 2nd tour. They stop lossed him from getting out although he was due to get out a year ago. My brother says the troops are tired and they're ready to come home. People are getting out and not many are taking their place. If the war goes on too much longer, they will have to start a draft. Other troops, like my brother, have been stop lossed as well. This means they can't get out when they are supposed to because of "shortages. "

    It's okay if Obama is arrogant as long as he gets the job done. He doesn't have to be likable as long as he's competent.

    • Posted By: sirhc @ 08/06/2008 8:04:53 PM

      EXACTLY-MY CONTRACTS PROFF. WAS ARROGANT BUT WAS A GENUIS. PLUS, I DON'T GET THE ARROGANT LABEL THEY ARE TRYING TO ATTACH TO OBAMA...............IS HE MORE ARROGANT THAN BUSH? CHENEY? MCAIN? HRC?.....................HE'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO I'VE HEARD SAY HE WON'T BE PERFECT AND ADMIT FAULTS. I THINK THE REPUBS. CONFUSE INTELLECT WITH ARROGANCE. MOST STUPID PEOPLE DO. THEY ELCETED A " C" STUDENT AND WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH A "D-" STUDENT. BUT LOOK AT THE 3 DEMS WHO WAS, RAN FOR AND PRESENTLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT -ALL OF WHICH THEY CALLED ARROGANT. BILL CLINTON(RHOADES SCHOLER), JOHN KERRY(IVY LEAGUE LAW), BARACK OBAMA(TOP TEIR IN HARVARD LAW). GIVE ME THE "ARROGANT" GUY EVERY DAY IF THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE!

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 10:12:40 PM

        Yeah, thats gotta be the case. LMAO

        DEFINITION OF POMPOUS

        Main Entry: pomp·ous Pronunciation: \??päm-p??s\ Function: adjective Date: 15th century
        1 : excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
        2 : having or exhibiting self-importance : arrogant <a pompous politician>

        EXAMPLES OF OBAMAs POMPOUSNESS

        * Created his own presidential campaign seal in the image of the official Presidential seal (altering the words). http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/23/obama-seal-no-more/

        * Obama requested to accept the Democratic presidential nomination at a 76,000-seat open-air stadium (a rather dramatic venue) rather than at the site of the Dems national convention location across town where nominations usually are held (holds 20,000 seats). (This moves creates many logistical problems the DNC twill need to deal with as well as raises security challenges). All because he wants to be idolized by people in massive proportions all around him (like Caesar or Nero) in a grandeur atmosphere. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/07/politics/main4236555.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4236555

        * Obama requested aides to try to arrange a speech at a second DRAMATIC VENUE: Berlins Brandenburg Gate! The same venue that Ronald Reagan spoke at and JFK made a speech in front of when they were Presidents, not wannabe Presidents.

        * Obamas speech in Germany was a whole bunch of pompous clichés. Stuff like IT FALLS TO US TO ACT WITH THE SAME SENSE OF PURPOSE AND PRAGMATISM AS AN EARLIER GENERATION, TO JOIN WITH FRIENDS AND PARTNERS TO LEAD THE WORLD ANEW --wrapped around the conventional wisdom. And that is all there ever has been to Barack Obama: symbolism and grandiloquent speeches.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 1:22:37 AM

          Why do you post the same things on every page? Obama did not request to hold his acceptance speach at Mile High Stadium, the DNC decided this and it is not the first time it has happened. JFK held his first acceptance speach at the L.A. collusium. Yes, Obama is trying to mold his image after that of JFK, just like McCain is trying to mold his image after Tom Cruise in Top Gun, the original Maverick

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 4:10:59 AM

            If anyone believes that, I have an oceanfront timeshare on the Gobi desert. LMAO.

            • Posted By: sirhc @ 08/07/2008 7:07:38 AM

              ARE YOU SERIOUS? BESIDES-YOU MISS THE POINT. I DON'T CARE AND IF YOU HAD ANY COMMONSENSE YOU WOULDN'T. YOU WANT THE DUMB HUMBLE ACCOUNTANT OR THE INTELLIGENT ARROGANT ACCOUNTANT TO HANDLE YOUR FAMILY FINANCES?

              GEORGE BUSH'S, CHENEY AND REPUBLICAN'S EGO IS/WAS OUT OF CONTROL SINCE 2001 AND HERE ARE THE TOP 14 REASONS WHY A "C" STUDENT AND A "D-" STUDENT SHOULD NEVER BE PRESIDENT IN THIS DAY AND TIME.

              1. UNILATERAL WAR AGAINST A COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO US AND USE THE TRAGEDY OF 911 TO INVOKE BLIND PATRIOTISM TO DO IT. HEY, ONLY COST US 4000+ AMERICAN LIVES AND 4-5 BILLION A WEEK............SO FAR.

              2. HAVE TAX CUTS ONLY FOR THE RICH DURING WAR TIME. FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY

              3. STOP THE VIEWING OF THE FLAG DRAPPED COFFINS COMING HOME FROM WAR. FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY

              4. GAS PRICES ARE HIGH. THEY ARE HIGH BECAUSE OF THE OIL EXECS. AND THE SPECULATORS. THEIR ANSWER..... DRILLING-WHICH THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WOULD SEE ANY MONEY FROM IT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS ARE...........GUESS..............THE OIL EXECS. AND THE SPECULATORS

              5. THEY BLOCKED THE NAMES OF THE PASTORS THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THE WHITEHOUSE. FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

              6. HAD THE UNMITIGATED GALL TO TELL "BROWNIE" GOOD JOB IN FRONT OF HURRICAN KATRINA VICTIMS AFTER HIS NEARLY CRIMINAL WAITING TO HELP TAX PAYING AMERICAN CITIZENS.

              7. BOMB, BMB, BOMB, BOMB, IRAN. HOW CALLOUS, IGNORANT AND ARROGANT ARE YOU TO MAKE FUN OF WAR?

              8. SOMEONE HAD TO TELL BUSH IN PUBLIC GAS WAS 4.00 A GALLON-THAT'S OUT OF TOUCH.

              9. BUSH HAS ACCUMULAED SO MUCH POWER THAT ASSISTANTS LIKE KARL ROVE CAN ARROGANTLY IGNORE CONGRESS...............BUT HIS @$$ IS IN TROUBLE NOW.

              10. HID PAT TILLMAN'S DEATH AND MADE UP A STORY ABOUT A SOLDIER SHOOTING HER WAY OUT OF A SITUATION DURING AN AAMBUSH WHEN ACTUALLY SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL THE ENTIRE TIME.

              11. TRIED TO MAKE EVERYONE THINK BIN LADEN BEING ALIVE IS OK. MIND YOU -COULD YOU IMAGINE WHAT RUSH AND HANNITY WOULD BE SAYING IF WE HAD A DEMOCRAT AS PRESIDENT AND 911 HAPPENED ON HIS WATCH AND BIN LADEN WAS STILL ALIVE.

              12. IT'S A SLAM DUNK..........................NEED I SAY MORE.

              13. GITMO...................................NEED I SAY MORE.

              14. BUSH WENT ON MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY TO THE MICHIGAN LAW SCHOOL TO PROTEST WHY BLACK STUDENTS GOT IN TO MICHIGAN'S LAW SCHOOL WHEN THEY HAD LOWER SCORES THAN A WHITE GIRL DIDN'T MAKE IT. MIND YOU HE DIDN'T TAKE 5 MINUTES TO LOOK AT THAT THERE WHERE ABOUT A TON OF WHITE, ASIAN AND ARABIC KIDS WHO GOT IN WITH LOWER SCORES THAN HER. HE SAID HE BELIEVES WHAT HE DID WAS IN THE TRADITION OF MLK. THAT'S A LEVEL OF ARROGANC AND STUPIDITY THAT'S ACTUALY SOMEWHAT HORRIFIC. NEVERMIND I AM SURE HIS ENTRANCE INTO YALE WITH HIS C LEVEL GRADES TOOK THE PL;ACE OF PROBABLY A NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO HAD HIGHER GPA'S.

              • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:16:09 PM

                Look out sharednews! Someone actually posted something they thought of instead of copying and pasting!

                I think you could learn something. Use your brain--post YOUR thoughts instead of parroting.

                • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:17:25 PM

                  Rapidiron. I wished that you could learn to use your brain. Oh I forgot, your brain is on back order.

                  • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:24:29 PM

                    Did you read sirhc's post? It was a good one.

                    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:39:54 PM

                      Yes I did. First I will say that some of the mistakes made after Katrina can be blamed on former Louisiana Governor (a Dem) Kathleen Blanco. Fortunately for the good people of Louisiana, they elected a very bright young Governor in Bobby Gindal. As far as the war, you libs (incidentally I am more moderate than conservative) keep twisting John McCain's 100 year war comment. McCain was talking about possibly staying in Iraq just as we have been staying in Korea, Germany, Japan, et al. Maybe we should pull out of Germany and Japan. But the extreme left, just as the extreme right, takes a few sound bites and spins it. Incidentally, Obama hasn't exactly sounded as convincing on pulling out of Iraq anytime soon either. And Obama has talked about attacking Pakistan.

              • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/09/2008 1:45:49 PM

                It was a political coup that put Bush in the whitehouse to begin with, are you suprised things have gone the way they have. Hitler was not that intelligent either, he too was a puppet for the super rich. Since he has been elected there has been an energy crises begining with power plants in California which increased cost for electricity and profits for Enron which had ties to the Whitehouse, then there was 9-11 which led to war which put market pressure on Oil which led to the current gas prices. Look up Prescott Bush and Nelson Aldrich. You have to go back a ways to see why we have to situation today in politics and the economy.

                • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/09/2008 1:53:14 PM

                  The Super Rich wish to bring you to your knee's and worship them ---- refuse!

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 4:16:52 AM

            . . . and it is DIRT cheap.

            You say: Why do you post the same thing on every page?
            I say: Every article (page?) - No. Just the Political section on key blogs. Do this cuz there are new readers on this site on a daily basis that may not catch it first time around. Regular readers can just ignore. Same reason that Nins and other bloggers repeatedly repost their stuff.

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:14:08 PM

              His key blogs are all known conservative ones.

              So sad that people have nothing to say and do this kind of crap.

              • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:15:06 PM

                And you rapidiron, keep on with the same tired liberal garbage. It didn't work under Jimmuh Carter. It isn't working with Nancy Peloosy and it won't work with Borat Obama. Ooops I made a disrespectful comment about your guy. I compared him to Sasha Cohen.

                • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:23:24 PM

                  Are his sources not politically leaning? Why don't you actually address ideas, instead of wasting bits?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 3:39:35 AM


            Hey, Raddave, if you continually hear people say that Obama is not arrogant or toot so what if he was, you have the smarts to say the heck with this and just COPY your response into a save file and resuse your statement when it comes up again in discussions about this obnoxious quality about him is discussed. That is it. Plain and simple.

            .

            • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:21:50 PM

              In an intelligent discussion, COPY and PASTE does not ever equate to 'smarts'.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 6:24:43 PM

              The fact is that Obama is no more arrogant than any other politician who seeks to be president. You call it arrogance, I call it confidence.

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/07/2008 3:09:29 PM

            The great thing about the new Mile High, the designers made it so we fans can stomp our feet and drown out anything going on in the field. It'll be so great!!!! SHAKE, RATTLE, & ROLL

            • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:11:49 PM

              Fortunately, Obama's speech will compete head - to - head with ESPN's debut of college football. Many Americans will probably be watching football instead of CHANGE, HOPE, CHANGE, HOPE, YES WE CAN. Obama utters change more than a toll booth collector.

              • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 11:46:29 PM

                Too funny-lmao

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/06/2008 10:10:29 PM

      How ironic, since Obama is likeable but most likely not competent to be anything other than a Chicago "community activist". Whatever the hell that is.

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 8:10:11 PM

        He's got 8 years in the Illinois Senate, 4 years in the US Senate, and a number of years teaching constitutional law in addition to being a community organizer before that.
        Not only is he qualified, but he could probably teach the Republicans a few things about the constitution, given that they seem to ignore it so much these days.

        If you discount his legislative experience then by your own logic you must discount McCains.legislative experience.

        Otherwise you can just simply say that McCain has more experience in the U.S. Senate, and then you'd actually be truthful..

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:28:18 PM

          Actually the non meeting committee that Obama headed was on Afghanistan, not Iraq.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:26:35 PM

          It is actually just 3 years in the U.S. Senate. Obama entered the Senate in 2005 and it is now 2008. And during that time he has missed several votes. He also headed up a subcommittee on Iraq which never met. Yeah Obama the community organizer (whatever that is) is really up for the job.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 3:31:42 AM

        Actually it is less active. A community ogranizer. They ensure that things get done in the community, like pot holes getting filled after the harsh winters that impact the roads on the South side of Chicago. LOL.

        • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 8:25:26 PM

          City maintenance guys do that.
          Community organizers deal with things like poverty, crime rates, etc.

          If you really want to know what a community organizer is, here is a non-ignorant answer.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing

          • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:19:13 PM

            Great facts and definitions, metzlerd.

            Yet some will never admit their mistakes.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:13:21 PM

        He is not competent because that is your opinion of him? Don't make us laugh. No substance as usual.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:07:34 PM

          The "No Substance" is Obama himself.

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/07/2008 6:42:51 PM

          None. Just the perfunctory insult.

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/07/2008 11:06:40 PM

      But how do you know that he will get the job done? I frankly don't take any politician for their word.

      • Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/08/2008 7:41:19 PM

        Given the state of your party these days, that's understandable.

        • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 08/10/2008 11:22:49 PM

          And given the state of your party as well. I don't think that the Dems have much to crow about either.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 5:06:10 PM

      Great Post!

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/10/2008 5:24:28 PM



    Gallup Daily Tracking
    August 10, 2008

    McCain - 43%

    Obama - 46%

    Barack Obama has a slim 46% to 43% margin over John McCain among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking three-day rolling average for Aug. 7-9.

  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/07/2008 9:51:36 AM

    Freedom's Watch Criticizes Dems' 'Summer Vacation' in New Web Ad
    The Hill by Walter Alarkon Aug. 05, 2008

    A new Web ad by conservative advocacy group Freedom's Watch lambastes Democrats in Congress for failing to tackle rising energy prices.

    The ad, called "Son of a Beach" begins by describing the plight of the average working American who must pay a mortgage and and for fuel.

    "What do the liberals in Congress have on their mind? Summer Vacation," the ad's narrator states. "They're taking the rest of the summer off."

    Set to a 1960s-style surf rock tune, the ad mocks the Democrats' decision to go on recess without a vote on lifting the ban on offshore drilling. It features prominent Democratic senators and congressmen rollerblading, playing volleyball, reading on the beach and playing golf.

    The ad ends with a narrator urging viewers to "Call the Do Nothing Democrats in Congress and tell them to get back to work on the important issues."

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 3:24:48 AM

      Davole, Ignore Rapidron. He likes to go around attacking bloggers that seek out rebuttal articles or just articles for discussion on various blogs that generate further discussions by others to portray their views. That is his/her way of trying to discourage you (or any poster) from bringing another article up for further discussion in these blogs. Some kind of blog Gustopo. LOL.. S/he tries to 'demean' the practice. Keep on posting as you feel fit. LOL. Maybe I will catch you here tomorrow. : - )

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/09/2008 1:03:01 PM

        You're so clever sharednews. Too bad you're also a raging hypocrite. Lol :)

        • Posted By: Davole @ 08/09/2008 11:53:42 PM

          rapidron -

          Now that's no way to address a lady, and obviously your superior!

          Some obamabots just don't have any manners!

      • Posted By: Davole @ 08/09/2008 11:48:31 PM

        Share -

        It's great hearing from you again.

        I do appreciate your advice regarding rapidron, but I do enjoy, let's say, conversing with him. I think that I've probably replied to him on at least 5 of his rants today.

        I'm really getting to appreciate this political website.

        I'll search for any of your other posts on the several boards tonight.

        Keep up the good work!

    • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/07/2008 12:09:55 PM

      This guy has nothing to say himself and so he keeps posting stories from known conservative websites.

      Sad...

  • Posted By: Spankster @ 08/05/2008 12:26:48 AM

    I too believe that Obama is way too liberal. I am all about equality but not at the expense of what this country was founded on, our religious beliefs. One Nation Under GOD! We've pulled prayer from our schools, removed the Ten Commandments from our walls, and can no longer offer any public moral teachings to our children. Today, it's all about political correctness and tolerance. Well, as both a Christian and an American, my beliefs remain based in the word of God. It's all printed in black and white. We may not like all that we read and all that we hear but as Christians it's the way we should live our lives. Murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, abortion is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, and on and on. This country needs a leader that has strong moral beliefs, vast experience in politics, and the will to fight the tough battles and to make this country stronger then ever. Obama fills none of the qualifications I'm looking for in the presidency. Maybe with another 15 yrs in politics, a change in his moral leadership, and a known platform he'll get there.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 12:30:01 AM

      Amen, my sentiment exactly. : o )

      • Posted By: Mr.ChitownKid @ 08/05/2008 2:29:35 AM

        Please-Barry is died in the wool.He will go to his grave hating all of Americ's Greatness-it's people.

        • Posted By: Open Your Eyes @ 08/05/2008 7:38:29 AM

          I love how you show your ignorance. HIs name is not and never was Barry you idiot. Look at his birth certificate. Of course you probably think he doctored it to trick us all. What a crock you are.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 10:07:45 PM



            Actually, in his earlier years up until 1980 it sounds like he had been going by the name Barry. Here is the story:

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/23/why-did-obama-change-his-_n_92944.html

            • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/06/2008 4:44:51 AM

              Barry is not a nickname, it 's an informal variation of Barack. Many presidents used an informal variation of their formal name: Jack Kennedy, Dick Nixon, Gerry Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronnie Reagan, Bill Clinton.
              Barry or Barack, it's much ado about nothing. Conversely, a nickname has no relationship to a person's formal name: i.e. Butch, Stretch, Curly, etc.

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/09/2008 10:08:22 PM

                The point is Barack WAS called Barry, nickname (article above said) or not. So the blogger above obviously is not as informed as he thought he was. LOL

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 10:12:37 PM

              Barry was a NICKNAME that his mom and maternal grandparents started calling him earlier on in life up until he told them (around college time) that he was going to use his fathers first name from that point on. .

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