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  • Posted By: LSUTigersfan1 @ 08/05/2008 1:21:46 AM

    I am sick, sick, sick to death of the South being the red-headed stepchild of this country. In movies, TV, politics, and the media, the Southerners are still being portrayed as backwoods hillbillies. If the author wants to talk about people not changing, then he need only look in the mirror. It is people like him who perpetuate the old stereotypes of Southerners being close-minded and racist. Why do people continue to assimilate the word "racism" with white people only? No one race has a monopoly on that word. It runs equal in all races. I think we have all come a long way. Also, why did the author (and most journalists/media) seem to try their best to pick out the most obvious, old-school thinking characters when they do a story? I know the merchant in the story that runs the Civil War shop. He is not the epitome of what Southerners are like and I am offended that the author sought to pick out a representative of the South that so many people still believe we are all similar to. As far as Barack Obama goes, I am a white Southerner and I have listened to his stands/ideas/discussions and I plan to vote accordingly. I also want to say, I never hear any black people acknowledge the fact that Obama was raised by a white mother and white grandparents. If blacks want whites to embrace the fact that Obama is black and be accepting of that, then they need to also embrace the fact that he is half white and be accepting of that. If, as the author says, the South needs to turn the page on the old history, then other pages need to be turned as well, like the old Southern stereotypes that I still hear being thrown upon people of the South.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/05/2008 6:31:29 PM

      You wrote: I also want to say, I never hear any black people acknowledge the fact that Obama was raised by a white mother and white grandparents. If blacks want whites to embrace the fact that Obama is black and be accepting of that, then they need to also embrace the fact that he is half white and be accepting of that

      Are you serious, we totally acknowledge and acept that Obama is bi-racial, it is America that stamps him BLACK. The "One Drop" rules still applies in this country. My nefrew is bi-racial and yes he is classified as black on all of his school records and medical records. I have never seen a Bi-Racial Box on any form. We, his family both the black and the white side teach him that he is part of both cultures even though most of White America will look at him and see a little black boy and that is how they react to him. I refuse to whitewash over the racial issues of this country. This is the way that it is, right or wrong (definitely wrong) until we as a country evolve!

  • Posted By: jfmccann @ 08/04/2008 12:50:11 PM

    First time I'v heard the civil war mentioned in while. Bet some of those slave owners were Democrats.

    I am from the deep South and there's no doubt in my mind that I will vote Republican.

    • Posted By: vogelk2 @ 08/04/2008 12:57:09 PM

      It does not suprise me, in fact the bet was that many who say the phrase, "deep south," would indeed be voting for a party. However, who would you be voting for, if Colin Powell was the Republican nominee running against John Edwards (just an example)?

      • Posted By: jfmccann @ 08/04/2008 1:12:50 PM

        I'd vote for Colin Powell. You yanks and demos try to make us all down here in the South against blacks. It's not the color , its the man.

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 6:30:29 PM

          And all you talk about is color.

  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/04/2008 1:05:07 PM

    To all viewers and bloggers on this board -

    I draw your attention to a vulgar, crass, probably pornographic spew by a ranter who has been credited with being an Obama ???blog hero??? by one of the socialite Obama supporters.

    I tend to refer to that ranter as ???hardlyhere???, in an attempt to bring his screen name closer to reality.

    His offensive, denigrating spews, although not posted on this board yet, are visible on three other boards - 1 -???Obama Abroad,??? 2 - ???Obama???s Celebrity Cred.??? & 3 -???Analysis: McCain tries to sow doubts about Obama.???

    On the third board, they can be found at his posting times of ???08/02/2008 4:14:16 PM, & 08/03/2008 19:10:37.???

    I regard that ranter???s intellectual capacity, to use a cardplayer???s terminology, as being several hands shy of a deck.

    He has tried to goad me by his tantrums into replying to his rant to answer his poorly stated questions, but I have avoided doing so because he appears to be unable to comprehend rational facts, thought, and discourse.

    If you do review his crass belligerent spew, please post your comments regarding his actions, state of ???mind??? (if that really exists here), and whether he is just a typical obamabot.

    Is this an example of the kind of change that ???the Great Unifier??? wants to implement?

    I wonder whether any obamabots will bother to voice their opinions in this matter, and whether they will throw this spewer under the bus to join the numerous other unsavory characters associated with Obama.

    Or, on second thought, maybe they???ll elevate him to displace Hillary Clinton as the key-note guest speaker at the DNC convention, due to a high-regard appreciation of his disgraceful sense of humour (for lack of a better word).

    Your comments will be considered!

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 6:29:44 PM

      What blog are you talking about ? Might be a McCain supporter 'posing'. True Obama supporters are not vulgar - unless severely pushed.

    • Posted By: markus1976 @ 08/04/2008 1:13:40 PM

      for crying out loud...

      I'm not familiar with this person, but it's typical to take one individual, and make them representative of an entire campaign and its supporters.

      Does this mean I have permission to take the toothless woman from the Tennessee woods last week saying she wouldn't vote for Obama because he was born in Hawaii, a foreign country (LOL!!!!), and make her representative of all McCain supporters????

      Please stop...if that dude is an idiot, fine. But don't attempt to make him poster boy...McFossil has quite a few pieces of work supporting him...

      • Posted By: Davole @ 08/04/2008 8:51:11 PM

        markus1976 -

        Thanks for replying to my post.

        You state that you are not familiar "with this person" - have you even bothered to review his 2 posts which I noted? Do you even know what he said?

        I agree that it's unfair to " take one individual, and make them representative of an entire campaign and its supporters".

        I'm not attempting " to make him poster boy". Another prominent Obama supporter has practically done that by calling him her campaign's "blog hero,"

        And I do realize that's only 2 Obama supporters - so it's still unfair to label the whole campaign according to the comments of these 2.

        But to me, the "telling point" is that my post was placed on 3 Newsweek boards, and no one, repeat no one, has bothered yet to admonish or criticize the vulgar posts which the blogger to whom I refered had posted.

        That "speaks volumes"!

        You have been the only one to really comment specifically on the information provided, and your response was merely to deflect the issue, instead of bothering to adress it directly.

        Not one Obama supporter had the integrity to "call out" a blatantly vulgar co-supporter.

        When I had previously challenged a different Obama supporter on her speaking out of "both sides of her mouth," she responded simply by stating that "it's politics!" Is it? I would say that it's an apparent lack of willingness to display some degree of integrity, whether from the north or south!

        Years ago, the people of the confederate states were proud of their integrity. What happened since then?

      • Posted By: not.your.change @ 08/04/2008 1:22:23 PM

        McFossil? I think regardless of your choice both candidates are entitled to a least a little respect.

        • Posted By: markus1976 @ 08/04/2008 1:28:31 PM

          you're right...because NOBODY has called Obama any derogatory nicknames up in here. LOL

          Give me a break!!!!! The double standard is sickening...

  • Posted By: hallenbrown @ 08/04/2008 2:00:21 PM

    What the hell does Christopher Dickey know about the south. It is presumtious of him in his Latest writing to tell us what the Cival War was about . Most southernes know that States rights was the cause and that most slaves in the south had been freed . The very Idea tha "Obama" could unify the south is stupid. It is probable that Dr Rice could have. Mr Obama is without experence and direction.His views on the Economy are without merrett and his out loook on oil is without any idea of the world. When The mini cooper D gets 72 miles per gal and he and others are no screaming to get it in to this country. Wjhen one has 135 documents to fill out to licence a solar or wind farm...noone is serious about alternative fuels. We may not spell well but we sure as hell know what is going on

    • Posted By: onwisconsin66 @ 08/04/2008 2:24:51 PM

      The Civil War was fought, as most wars are, over many issues. You need a better understanding of history if you believe that most slaves were free in the south prior to the Civil War. I grew up being told about States' Rights as well. Well, the states' rights to keep slaves and traffic in human bondage as unpaid labor was a big bone of contention. Let's face it, the south was wrong to deny basic human rights to an entire group of people based upon their race (which is simply a social construct anyway).

      • Posted By: hallenbrown @ 08/04/2008 2:54:09 PM

        Again ,a comment from some on that has no understanding of the facts...I said most..That was then this is now .To bad Dr Rice is not in the hunt

        • Posted By: grannyqx4 @ 08/04/2008 4:42:45 PM

          Amen to your comment about Ms. Rice. Her experience would be a great choice and give me an alternative to McCain. I will vote for him against Obama, not because of race, but experience. She would have been a great choice and we'd have seen a black woman in office. Two firsts that are overdue!

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 6:25:53 PM

            McCain's experience? What has he accomplished in the US Senate? A reputation for being 'cantankerous'. Hardly what's needed in the leader of the Free World. And being a prisoner of war in Vietnam (where the USA had no business in the first place) is not a qualification to be president.

      • Posted By: lhwilk0 @ 08/04/2008 11:27:41 PM

        Re: "Race is a social construct" -- Untrue; genetic differences are quite apparent between races. This is a good thing in terms of the survival of the human species.

  • Posted By: revolution30 @ 08/04/2008 6:32:27 PM

    I am Southern born and breed and I am so tired of this crap!!! If the southern votes do not go to Obama it's not because we are all "redneck, uneducated, racists". Do you really not see what is going on here? Race,sex, religion, and political party should not even matter! Who is the right man for the job should be only issue! Most of the time is just the lesser of two evils. The political agenda here is to make you feel guilty about being a southern, white American so they can force your vote!

    For you people who hate McCain because of Bush-you are so uninformed. I wouldn't say that Bush is a good president, but most of his time in the presidential seat has been damage control. Some of the issues we are facing now ( for example) the housing problems were all because of President Clinton. Programs where put into place by Clinton and now the effects of that bad decision have to be dealt with. Also, before Bush was even sitting behind the presidential desk , 911 happened. If you recall the American public wanted blood and some ones head for that-you got what you wanted!

    Before you all get mad at me let me clarify what I am saying. For every rock you throw in the water there is a ripple(cause and effect). For every president we have had, Democratic and Republican alike, there have been bad decisions made and effects from those decisions we have had to deal with far beyond the current president. These two men need to be considered on their own merit! Everyone needs to step back and take the race,sex, religion, name, origin and party out of the equation and hold these two candidates at what they as individuals can offer this country. The sad truth is we don't do that and we know that most of the time they all lie and tell us what we want to hear or bully us to get our vote! I don't know yet whom I will vote for but I pray we all make the right choice.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 6:38:10 PM

      Stories like this and comments by some supporters of Obama that call you racist, bigot or whatever namecalling are hoping this will kick in as a result when voting time comes in the GE. Just ignore situations like that. No one should feel that they have to vote for a candidate because of the color of their skin. Black or white. They should weight their decision on the person himself and that persons beliefs and policies and plans and your comfort level with the individual as to whether he will be the stronger candidate of the too to lead this country.

      * The White Guilt Votes

      The White Guilt Vote: A Key Obama Constituency Is White Racists

      http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/11/the_white_guilt.html




      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:00:21 PM

        No one has to vote for a candidate based on race, you say? Yeah, we know. So millions of voters will vote for Sen. Obama because he's intelligent, educated, knowledgeable, articulate, patriotic, decent, personable, cool under pressure, and naturally telegenic

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 12:07:38 AM

          . . .but deeply lacking a proven record of alot of experience under his belt to show that he has made many specific accomplishments. I do not feel he is trustworthy; I do not feel safe having our country in his hands to run. He is a black man running for President that is just too darn GREEN. Plus he has not been fully vetted to the degree he needs to be, especially given how he came out of no where and has fleetingly falling into this running for President. I have to give David Axelrod alot of credit. He is a genious being able to take a orator with charisma and prop him him up and pull those puppet strings and pray for the best. It has been working pretty well, but when all is said and done and people actually have to check of the POTUS I believe you will be some flipping by voters going on.

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 6:17:32 PM

            Sen. McCain has been in the US Senate for a quarter century. His accomplishments are what?
            Being a prisoner of war in Vietnam (another war the USA started, stayed too long, paid a horrific price) doesn't qualify McCain to be president.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 6:44:28 PM

      . . . and then there is the useless CONGRESS with a lesser rating than Bush at this point. Did everyone hear that they are off on a 5 Week recess now right in the middle of all this energy crisis talk? Nice. McCain was out stomping calling the Congress to return to Washington from their vacation and hammer out a resolve for the energy crisis. I hope Obama gets out there and does the same to push them back from vacation. Useless.

  • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/05/2008 6:08:18 PM

    Do a search on the internet for ------------ Rockefeller Rothschild -------------- here you will find the men who are who the true rulers of the world. The Central Banks. The central banks influence the CFR who picks the polititians who are the front for the government.

  • Posted By: grej @ 08/03/2008 2:18:43 PM

    I ask everyone here to go to the link below and read this ASAP. I know it is long but please
    read it all the way through. This is enough to scare anybody.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=1


    Barack Obama's Lost Years (the Weekly Standard web site)
    The senator's tenure as a state legislator reveals him to be an old-fashioned, big government, race-conscious liberal.
    by Stanley Kurtz
    08/11/2008, Volume 013, Issue 45

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 10:30:00 PM

      Thanks for posting this link. I went in and read it. What a great article, albeit scary though. Some of the information in there I had not been aware of to that extent, like with Ayers. I will have to update my file on him. LOL. I will spread the word. : - )

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:53:45 PM

        Yeah, you do that little ol' thing, update your Ayers file.

  • Posted By: Little Miss Dixie @ 08/03/2008 7:36:16 PM

    Damn Yankees never have understood the South and from the comments I've read here, they never will.

    Racism is far more alive and well in the rest of the country outside the South than it is in Dixie. I know - I don't live in the South and I was raised in a northern Urban area but I have deep Southern roots.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:52:16 PM

      You don't live in the South and you were raised in an urban centre in the North and you call yourself Dixie.

  • Posted By: nole46 @ 08/04/2008 3:48:03 PM

    the young will vote Obama, the "black vote " will go to Obama( 90 plus %), the older vote will go to McCain..........the closer we get to the election, the closer the vote gets......

    • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 3:53:24 PM

      Well, maybe in your mind, but this young one sure as heck is not going to vote for Obama :)

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:30:59 PM

        Who cares if you even vote? Enough of your foolishness.

        • Posted By: scotts88keys @ 08/05/2008 9:50:47 AM

          Who cares if you even vote? You're the foolish one, sweetie :) You're going to vote for Osama right...oh, sorry, I meant Obama? You know...the senator who hates America.

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:44:51 PM

            What do you care who I vote for? I suppose you're one of those moral southerners who hates that 'white trash' label. Yeah, the world's just not fair.

  • Posted By: bluegrass101 @ 08/04/2008 4:11:24 PM

    The South will not change. . They would rather stay poor and ignorant rather than vote for a YANKEE or a BLACK. Giving up a big Pick-Up Truck with the Rebel Flag is worse than death to some of them. The Conservatives in the South and the North hate blacks or anyone else that does not conform to their lo wsense of worth. I know because I worked all over the South from 1960 thru 1990 , I traveled all over as a Pipefitter.

    • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 4:25:45 PM

      "Low sense of worth"? Hmmmmmm, that's interesting. I'm southern. I'm not poor or ignorant. And I sure as heck don't hate anyone. Where'd you get your info.? And the only thing that southerners don't want to change is their decent sense of MORALITY, 'cause you know, we still have that down here.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:26:34 PM

        Yeah, so moral.

        • Posted By: scotts88keys @ 08/05/2008 9:48:08 AM

          Yes, very moral :)

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:37:04 PM

            As in Jimmy Swaggart moral.

    • Posted By: debra1953 @ 08/04/2008 4:26:42 PM

      well it seems to me in my 60 yrs of life most presidents come from the north not the south and us ignorant people from the south voted for them also i don't think just the north and western states got to vote and we are very choose who we want to run our country it is our right and privilege just as much as yours to vote the way we want weathe it be for a dem or rep

      • Posted By: dfingles @ 08/05/2008 10:28:47 AM

        RE: Presidents and their origin: Let's work backwards 60yrs from the current President. 1) Bush: Texas; 2) Clinton: Arkansas; 3) Bush: Texas (via Massachusetts); 4 Regan: California (via Illinois); 5) Carter: Georgia; 6) Ford: Michigan (via Nebraska); 7) Nixon: California; 8) Johnson: Texas; 9) Kennedy: Massachusetts; 10) Eisenhower: Texas; 11) Truman: Missouri.

        Looks to me like Texas is in the lead with 4, then California and Massachusetts with 2 each. Overall, the South has produced 7 of the last 11 presidents, the North only producing two, Kennedy and Ford, depending on how you want to interpret where the president came from, the state he claimed during the election process or the state he was born in.

      • Posted By: philby @ 08/04/2008 7:43:38 PM

        Most Presidents have come from Virginia and then Ohio

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 08/04/2008 6:25:03 PM

      Bluegrass101. If I didn't know better, I would think that you were Archie Bunker. I have travelled all over this country too. Yes there are ignorant people in the South. Guess what, they are also ignorant people in New England, the Midwest, and the West Coast as well. I have seen Confederate flags flown over people's houses in OHIO. I have also talked to racially prejudiced whites in MAINE. I have also seen pickup trucks and cowboys in CALIFORNIA. Truth be told, you sound pretty ignorant yourself.

  • Posted By: abe4600 @ 08/05/2008 12:28:27 PM

    I think even if Obama doesn't win, his candidacy should be inspiration for lot of people especially for those who think that they are limited on what they can acomplisth because of their sex, race or class. This country may not be perfect, but if you dream big and work hard, anything is possible.

    • Posted By: Jackerella @ 08/05/2008 12:35:51 PM

      I think until the people classify theirselves as AMERICANS and not any other race with it, is when the world will truly join together as ONE.

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/05/2008 5:36:34 PM

        OUR government needs to allow us to classify ourselves as native born americans or foriegn born americans. for cences(population counting) purposes. If we have an SSI#, we are Americans

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/05/2008 2:58:20 PM

      Oh sure, he'd be an inspiration, especially for the teenagers who are thinking about trying cocaine or who are already addicted.

      Hey, it doesn't matter, you can still run for president. If you are a smooth talker and learn pay to play politics, anything is possible.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/02/2008 6:29:37 PM

    Nice article! Very interesting and insightful. Had no idea about that awful Moore's Ford reenactment of a mass lynching, sounds absolutely hideous. I hope that over time, the South changes and morphs into something a lot more diverse. I live in Texas and I'm a yankee, and although I don't often get a glimpse of Southern old fashioned "hospitality," a family member of mine received a nasty typed letter in his mailbox, likely from one of his neighbors, in response to a recent published editorial piece in the local city paper - the neighbor's letter was a rant and rave against Obama, saying "You hate Republicans, you want to elect a foreigner to lead this country, Obama is a muslim, etc." The editorial piece was a rebuttal of a recent op ed by an appointee of the Bush Administration. So tensions and emotions are very high, even among the mid-to-upper middle class in the major metropolitan areas in the South!

    My friends are mostly white, but not all - I have Black and Hispanic and foreign friends. Most of the latter are pro-Obama. Many of the whites I know are pro-Obama too. But there are some in the high tech business here who feel that a vote for McCain is going to help their businesses thrive (outsourcing). One of this group was even married to an Egyptian national, yet she still maintains that conservative stance.

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 9:46:08 PM

      What a bunch of rambling nonsense. Did someone request your autobiography?

      Maybe you can call it "The Rambling Musings of an Arrogant and Condesending Yankee Who Doesn't Know his Butt from a Hole in the Ground".

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/02/2008 10:00:58 PM

        You misspelled the word "condescending." Just thought I'd point that out.

        Inane putdowns always sound and read better if they're at least properly spelled. Were you educated in the South? It definitely makes a difference.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 08/02/2008 10:09:13 PM

          Or you could just shorten it to "The Life and Times of an Ignorant Liberal Douchebag".

          • Posted By: constitutionlawprofessor @ 08/04/2008 10:41:11 PM

            Enter Your Comment
            To jimbo03800 The people here in our office have a little bet going about how much education you have. I guessed 10th grade. The highest guess was did graduate from high school, but after being held back 2 years along the way. The pool money goes to Obama'a campaign. Let us know if you can read this comment

            • Posted By: penandink @ 08/05/2008 5:35:29 PM

              To constitutionlawprofessor: I don't know... given the state of public education in this country (wild searches for WMDs are LIKE basic reading instruction, right?), jimbo3800 might well have a four-year college degree in poli sci.

  • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 4:46:35 PM

    Thank you Christopher Dickey for beginning to scratch the surface of the truth about the South. As a native of the South, I can attest that most Southerners are not able or willing to look truthfully at the social and political problems that still burden the region. I totally agree that the prosperity of the past 40 years (which was only possible after the successes of the Civil Rights movement) has only served as a diversion and a band-aid for deep festering wounds. Many White Southerners have never reconciled with the past. They do not fully comprehend the seriousness of the crimes against humanity that were perpetrated on Southern soil. As much as I love the South and all its charms, there is an ugly spiteful side of the Southern psyche that still needs healing. The whole region needs collective psychotherapy, but Southern pride and prejudice has prevented this from occurring for many individuals, families, and whole communities. I spent some years studying in Germany, and I find the Southerners who glorify the Civil War and collect memorabilia just a creepy as the Neo-Nazis who collect Nazi memorabilia and cannot admit the crimes against humanity committed by the Third Reich. Can you imagine still flying the Nazi flag over public building in Germany or using the Nazi flag as a bumper sticker or a symbol of German ???pride???? Of course not! But many Southerners don???t understand the parallels here. This is due to ignorance. When I went to public school in the South during the 70s and 80s, they didn't teach us anything about the Civil Rights movement or modern history. And the Civil War...oh, that was really all just about State rights... (Never mind that the biggest State rights issue was the issue of slavery!) Many Southerners are incredibly ignorant of their own history and the legacy of their ancestors' crimes. If we really wanted to heal as a nation we would first need to acknowledge the truth. Sadly, 150 years after the Civil War, many people are still romanticizing the past and unaware of the ghosts that not only still haunt us but frighten people into making poor choices for themselves and our country.

    • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 4:56:03 PM

      Let me get this straight...you're comparing southerners to Nazis? Go to Barnes and Nobles and buy a history book. Enhance your mind.

      • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 4:59:12 PM

        If you don't see the parallels between the inhumanity of the Nazis and the inhumanity of slavery, then perhaps it is you who should pick up a history book. Or better yet, read the teachings of Christ and the Buddha, two great profits who can explain it much better than I can.

        • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:10:31 PM

          Actually I prefer the Bible because I'm a Christian, and Christ was more than just a prophet, but that's a totally different discussion.
          Slavery was wrong, is wrong, always will be wrong. That was not the point.
          We southerners are proud of our history. Read your history books. The Civil War was not about slavery alone. It was about much more. The Confederate Flag is a symbol of the Old South and all of its glory. You are very simple-minded if you compare southerners to Nazis.

          • Posted By: cotillion @ 08/04/2008 5:14:22 PM

            The Confederate Flag is a symbol of the old south. It is also a symbol of slavery. On this point I do agree with McCain that it has no place in our offices of governance.

            • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:21:04 PM

              Ummm Hello! I'm from South Carolina. We took down the Confederate Flag a good while back. However, if someone wants to ride it around on the back of their car, what's the harm in that?

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 5:27:02 PM

                Actually, it's still flying in front of the state house. Even Steve Spurrier, head football coach at University of South Carolina, called it an embarrassment and impediment to recruiting.

                The funny thing is: every year they have a rally that attracts about a dozen flag supporters (and twice as many reporters). Most of the people don't care about it one way or another, they're just pig-headed and don't like to be told what to do.

                JM

                • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:36:47 PM

                  Thanks for telling me who Steve Spurrier is. After all, I'm just an ignorant southerner.
                  Anyways, back to my point. The flag was taken from the statehouse on July 1st of 2000.

                  • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 5:50:16 PM

                    How could I be sooooo silly?

                    Just because the flag is flying on the lawn IN FRONT OF the statehouse, doesn't mean it's flying AT the statehouse!

                    Thank you for correcting such an obvious oversight on my part .. I'm lost without you.

                    JM

                    • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 6:00:58 PM

                      Yes, you are lost without me...such a pity.
                      And what other memorbilia is not somehow attached to the statehouse? The point is: it was removed from its previous state. You should come to Charleston, where I'm from. We have a mixture of tons of Confederate Flag memorbilia along with woven baskets and such from the African American traditions in the old south. Even the African Americans choose to remember their heritage in the South, whether good or bad. I don't see why it's so wrong if Caucasian southerners do also.

                      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:25:24 PM

                        All of which has nothing to do with Sen. Obama who was born in Hawaii.

                        • Posted By: scotts88keys @ 08/05/2008 10:04:49 AM

                          And what does Hawaii have to do with anything? I believe the discussion was about the South and the Confederate Flag.

                          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:34:10 PM

                            Sen. Obama was born in Hawaii. He is not a black southerner. Read the post I replied to.

              • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:24:22 PM

                Hateful connotation, that's what's wrong with it.

                • Posted By: scotts88keys @ 08/05/2008 10:06:59 AM

                  In your opinion it is a hateful connotation. But that's your opinion. If you don't like the South and what it stands for, then stay away, and if you're already here...then just leave. It's very simple.

                  • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:27:25 PM

                    Newsflash: There's only one flag that patriotic Americans bear allegiance to: The Stars and Stripes.
                    Now y'all go wipe your racist *** with that confederate flag.

          • Posted By: thetruthandonlythetruth @ 08/04/2008 5:18:23 PM

            If the Confederate flag is about al the positive history that you care too remember, then it is about all of the negative history that you don't care too remember. Or maybe you don't remember the negative because you were never tought that part. You can't just have the good because there was way more bad under that flag.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 08/04/2008 5:42:00 PM

              The difference of opinion regarding the Confederate flag is this. White southerners veiw the confederate flag as a part of our heritage. It is viewed as a symbol of racism and supression to blacks, because many racist goups have used this flag. It is kinda like the swastika, it has become the symbol of the Nazi party and White supremist groups. But it has a sacred symbol to Hindus.

              • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 5:57:37 PM

                Hmmm. Not really. I am White and the Confederate flag does not symbolize my "proud Southern heritage". Nor does it represent that to all my friends and associates who live in the South, both Black and White. This is mainly about issues of education and class, though that is another sore subject that the South and the US is reluctant to address. You can't really compare Hindus and Germans like you can compare Southerners who all live in the same region and share a common history. The truth just hurts sometimes, but ultimately I believe it leads us to a better place.

                • Posted By: raddave @ 08/05/2008 12:06:54 AM

                  I was comparing the two symbols, not Hindus to Nazis A symbol might have one meaning to a certain group of individual, but to another it has a totally different meaning.

            • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:22:52 PM

              What history book did you read?

              • Posted By: thetruthandonlythetruth @ 08/04/2008 5:26:27 PM

                The books (plural) that you have not.

                • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:30:11 PM

                  You might want to try to read a few more (plural).

                  • Posted By: cotillion @ 08/04/2008 5:34:38 PM

                    You have yet to put forth any facts or information yet. You just attack the person instead of the issue. The closed-mindedness of most of your posts is impressive. It seems as if you are afraid to even look at something from someone else point of view for what you might see.

                    • Posted By: thetruthandonlythetruth @ 08/04/2008 6:12:33 PM

                      my poni of view is that of a person that has witnessed both points of view, which if you are not bi-racial will never be able too comprehend point blank period. My mind is as free as the lord allows it to be. I tell you what I know and nothing less. There are many truths that are just that, so please talk about an issue not me. One question for you - Why is Barack more black then he is white (same with me)? Now show me how open your mind is.

                      • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 7:41:20 PM

                        "Why is Barack more black then he is white"

                        Some members of the African American community tried to point at his heritage as a reason NOT to support him ... they didn't think he was "Black" enough (whatever that means).

                        Ironically, African Americans did not rush to his support until AFTER the idiot (err ... Bill Clinton) started challenging him. In my opinion (and this is entirely my opinion), Clinton came off as a "benevolent plantation owner" who didn't trust the help to make decisions in their own behalf .. almost as though he knew better than them. That's a MAJOR turnoff for anybody with even a semblance of pride. Hillary Clinton didn't help any with the FDR/Lyndon Johnson remarks (even though there was an element of truth to them).

                        Next thing you know, he wins South Carolina gathers momentum and is anointed the first "legitimate Black Candidate". It's been about race ever since.

                        And no, it's not right.

                        JM

                    • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:44:32 PM

                      The reason South Carolina, who was the first state to secede from the Union, did actually secede from the Union is that there were tariffs (in laymen's terms - a tax increase) being imposed on South Carolina by President Lincoln on exports and imports. This would have majorly impacted any and every household in SC. There you go...the reason for the beginning of the Civil War.
                      How would you like to have a 40-50% tax increase on anything you bought or sold????

                      • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 6:06:56 PM

                        You???re talking about a symptom. The disease was an economic system that couldn't persist without slave labor. It was about wealthy land owners who didn't want to lose their privileged position in society, regardless of what the moral implications of their policies and actions were.

                        • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 6:19:36 PM

                          Dear sir, you are very wrong. The symptom was slavery. The disease was a North (namely President Lincoln) who wanted to control a thriving South. In laymen's terms, he wanted what they had, and he was gonna get it by a huge tax increase.

                          • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 6:37:05 PM

                            I'm sorry but your fanciful perspective on history does not jibe with the facts. You've interpreted history to match what you want to believe. There is no evidence that "most" Southerners were against slavery! You must be kidding! Yeah, that's why the Emancipation Proclamation went over so well down in Dixie and why we had 100 years of Jim Crow. Hasn't the South suffered enough because of racism and the obstinate refusal to acknowledge a shameful history?! Yes, White people in Virginia and South Carolina were relatively wealthy in comparison to some other states... as long as you only look at the White landholders and don't include all the slaves when you calculate average income and assets!!! But states like North Carolina were relatively poor, which is why much of western NC was sympathetic to the Union. It???s about wealth and power and what people will justify to preserve both, all others be damned. It is as current today as it was then.

                          • Posted By: jh35180 @ 08/04/2008 6:34:32 PM

                            Sothern Sweetea. I will agree that the tariffs were a big reason for secession. But I am not so sure that the economy in the South was thriving. The only people in the South who really benefitted were a few wealthy plantation owners. They relied on slave labor and most white Southerners were kept down by the plantation economy of the South. If there had not been a Civil War, there were still vulnerabilities in the Southern economy and there was no way that a one crop economy of the South could have competed with a more diverse economy of the North.

              • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 5:43:29 PM

                You may want to try
                Uncle Tom's Cabin (Stowe)
                Beloved (Morrison)
                Anything by Frederick Douglass or Sojourner Truth
                American Slavery: 1619-1877 (Kolchin)

                Still confused, try this link:
                http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=slavery+civil+war

                It's fine to be proud of your history ... just don't be blind to it.

                JM

                • Posted By: southern-sweettea @ 08/04/2008 5:53:40 PM

                  Of course you would tell me to read African American authors. But I've already added those books to me collection. Sorry. :)
                  You might try reading in any true TEXTBOOK. You know, like a real history book. And you will find that most southerners were against slavery, including General Stonewall Jackson, one of the greatest men of all time.

                  • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 6:59:27 PM

                    Here's some pictures of "Black" Harriet Beecher Stowe (she must have bleached her skin)
                    http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=harriet+beecher+stowe&mkt=en-us

                    Same with Peter Kolchin (who is a professor of history at the U. of Delaware)
                    http://www.udel.edu/History/bio/kolchin_peter.html

                    He must have bleached his skin too, right?

                    Keep posting ... you sound dumber and dumber every time.

                    JM

            • Posted By: jh35180 @ 08/04/2008 5:59:44 PM

              Truth be told, the Confederate flag has been used by racist terrrorist groups such as the Neo Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. That is why the Confederate flag causes so much hostility. I have seen the Confederate flag flying in such places as Ohio as well as in the Deep South. It is not just the Deep South that still deals with this ugly problem. As far as candidates for President, I am not voting for Obama because he is too left leaning. There are many whites who are also too left leaning and I would not vote for them either. It seems like the hard left is trying to play on race too much and most of the race baitiing has come from the Obama camp.

          • Posted By: joe_mama @ 08/04/2008 5:32:59 PM

            You're right....the Nazis were much more efficient...

          • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 5:30:41 PM

            I am from the South and the confederate flag represents many things to me: a bloody war that nearly destroyed a country, the institution of slavery, 100 years of segregation and Jim Crow, violent racists who threatened to kill my uncle who was a Civil Rights leader, poor White people who use it as a crutch to make themselves feel better about being poor, uneducated and angry. What it does not remotely engender in me is a feeling of pride. I am very proud of the South though. I am proud of all the abolitionists who stood for justice. I am proud of the people who risked their lives to run the Underground Railroad. I???m proud of the people who marched on Selma. I am proud of the people who died to fight injustice and deliver of us all from the shackles of segregation and racism. I am proud of the great Southern writers who have given our nation such a great literary tradition. And, I am proud of many more things in the South. But I am not proud of the Confederacy or the Old South whose wealth and leisurely living depended on the enslavement of human beings and the indentured servitude of other poor people.

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:10:46 PM

          Up north it's spelled prophets, not profits (as in oil).

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/04/2008 5:31:55 PM

          I don't think southern-sweettea understands the concept of parallels.

          The simplicity of the insult at the end is very telling... and sad,

        • Posted By: cotillion @ 08/04/2008 5:11:51 PM

          I completely agree.

      • Posted By: jh35180 @ 08/04/2008 6:15:45 PM

        Stephenprestwood. You are right on target about most of what you write. But the north can share in the ugliness of slavery too. Slavery actually got its start in New England. But the land was not as suitable for farming and the plantation economy got going in the South. Unfortunately, the plantations kept down the slaves and many poor ignorant whites suffered as result of the plantation economy as well. I will agree that slavery and the terrible "Jim Crow" period that followed were comparable to the Holocaust. But since the 1960s, this country has witnessed defacto segregation and institutional discrimination all across the country. That isn't excusing what happened in the South, but it is a national problem.

        • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 6:57:26 PM

          I agree with you! Racism can be found everywhere. This is why this whole conversation is relevant to everyone.

    • Posted By: ncsucountrygal @ 08/04/2008 6:25:46 PM

      I was raised in the south and we sure as hell learned about the Civil Rights Movement. We also learned about the Civil War. For Virginians, the Civil War was about land ownership not slavery. West Virginia seceded from Virginia but you don't see the animosity between West Virginians and Virginians as you do between Northerners and Southerners. I'll give you that slavery was AN issue of the Civil War. However, for most Southerners who fought in the Civil War, slavery was far from the issue. The main issues were states' rights and the economy. You have to remember it was the wealthy plantation owners that had slaves, not the average Southerner. For a lot of people the South was a way of life that was needed to survive...people were fiercely loyal, full of community, and had a strong sense of belonging...traits that you can still find in rural areas. The culture of small town Southern culture has been lost unfortunately and most people will grow up without knowing the benefits of the Southern way of life because it has been smeared by so much negativeness because of the Civil Rights issues that were also a marked part of Southern culture. But let us not forget that the same racism that ran so rampant in the South also ran through the North and the Midwest and the Pacific Coast states as well. So thanks for demonstrating that ignorance of the South that Northerners like to talk about.

      • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/04/2008 6:53:52 PM

        Well, I was born in Alabama and grew up my entire childhood through college in North Carolina. And my family on both sides has lived in the South since the mid-1600s, so that would hardly make me a "Northerner". And it would be okay if other US citizens, regardless of their birthplace, wanted to comment on our collective national history, including events and attitudes that are primarily associated with the South. Your comments about the provincialism in the South are certainly true. Whether those attitudes have served the South well is certainly up for debate.

    • Posted By: CoastalGal @ 08/04/2008 5:46:41 PM

      Thank you for making apoint I tried to make earlier and got bashed for it. As someone, myself whos heritage began in Germany, my mother was born exactly 2 months before the Nazis invaded her town and whos family had to flee this atrocity, I feel the same way. I've never lived in the south, but have traveled there in the 80s and was shocked by a mind set I didn't think still existed and under the surface is still strong and alive.

  • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/05/2008 3:26:35 PM

    The problem is simple corruption needs to be stopped beginning with those who have profited for years from corruption. Please look up this individual ---- Nelson Wilmarth Aldrich ---- he was the father in law of Mr. Rockefeller who's family went on to controll the private banks which became the central bank the FED which is a private institution. This individual Nelson came up with the Income Tax and The Central Bank. Follow the money and you will find the corruption behind the problems in society. For 240.00 the Central Bank the Fed can create 1 million dollars then using the IRS they can bilk the public for 1 Million plus interest. Its easy math to see they have the complete control of the US government and even the world. Money is the root of all evil.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/05/2008 4:13:07 PM

      There ya go. Someone who actually understands central banking. This is the mechanism by which all American are kept on the treadmill, their labor conscripted ad infinitum over time to the banks. Unfortunately they may have gotten too greedy this time and they've destabilized the currency, but no matter. They'll just come collect your house and start you over. The same people who owned us before will still own us later.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/05/2008 4:25:02 PM

        Everything has fault, and so it appears that we see the spectre of what could cause the possible downfall of a capatalist society. Greed and spin, and then perhaps chaos one day when the population can take no more.

        Let's hope it never comes to that. We're still far from it despite what paranoia some would seek to spread.

        • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/05/2008 4:36:48 PM

          They the establishment would like you to believe that it is paranoia to suggest that those whith Money more than 300 billion in personal assests would want to control the 6 biilion or so people on the earth. It is not paranoia just look up the information and you will see that is what is going on. While your at it look up the CFR and what there ultimate goal is. By the way Chenney is part of the CFR and so are the Clinton's. Follow the money............

          • Posted By: OnlyCureJGK @ 08/05/2008 5:19:28 PM

            The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is a nonpartisan foreign policy membership organization founded in 1921 and based at 58 East 68th Street (at Park Avenue) in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C. Many believe it to be the most powerful private organization to influence United States foreign policy. It publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs. It has an extensive website, featuring links to its think tank, The David Rockefeller Studies Program, other programs and projects, publications, history, biographies of notable directors and other board members, corporate members, and press releases. web site address cfr.org

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/05/2008 5:16:02 PM

            And history repeats itself again.. Empires Rise, Empires Fall.

  • Posted By: Appalachian Mom @ 08/04/2008 6:25:54 PM

    I will not vote for Obama, but, COME ON, John McCain, do something to make my vote FOR you and not against Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 6:31:04 PM

      McCain is breathing. That is enough for me. LOL.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:02:42 PM

        That is an ignorant comment.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:03:55 PM

      Staying in Iraq 100 years not enough for you?

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 6:29:34 PM

    With all this blogging that I have read on this site so far this afternoon, I have yet to see anywhere, but I could be wrong, any praising of Obama on this day, his BIRTHDAY. LOL. That tells me something how much some of you really know about this guy. Even I knew that he was born today, AUG 4, 1961 as I have done alot of research on him.. He is 37. Anyways, thought I'd let you know. He is celebrating tonite by, yes, you guessed it, by making another speech at yet another fundraiser. LOL.

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. O.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 6:32:12 PM

      TYPO. He is 47. : - )

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:03:05 PM

        And you mocked Sen. Obama for when he misspoke and said '57 states' a few months ago. Gotta love how God has a way of getting even.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 12:26:19 AM

          Hmmmm. My typo vs. Obamas comment about # of states in the US.
          Yeah, shame on me for typing a 3 instead of a 4 for his age 47 above.

          * Earlier this month in Oregon, Obama redrew the map of the United States: Over the last 15 months, we have traveled to every corner of the United States. I???ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Now that is scary.

          * Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it is not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those STATES IN THE MIDDLE. Huh? On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?

          • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 5:01:26 PM

            Sen. Obama has degrees from Columbia University and Harvard. He has taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. He's a United States Senator. But you're smarter than he is and you are terrified of him being president because he doesn't know how many states are in the USA. You have repeatedly posted this '57' nonsense for months. Your criticism of Sen. Obama is bias to the Nth degree.
            How about ranting on about Sen. McCain confusing Sunnis and Shias on his trip to the Middle East with ol' Joe Lieberman coming to his rescue by 'whispering' in his ear?

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/05/2008 12:37:30 AM

            I think he was talking about regionally. Arkansas and Kentucky are both southern states, while Ill is a northern state.

  • Posted By: Spankster @ 08/05/2008 1:34:08 AM

    Obviously Bush is not a failure. He's the President of the most powerful Nation on Earth. While one can argue whether or not we should have gotten into the Iraqi war, he stuck with it despite the polls. It was an unpopular but correct decision to stay the course. It's what leaders do. While things are still troubling in Iraq they are getting better all the time. The press just doesn't report the good. It's like watching the news at 10. Lots of coverage on robberies, rapes, and murders and very little on the good things that happen every day. Too bad but true.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/05/2008 1:48:30 AM

      Apologizing for Bush is the wrong place to start if you're a Republican. Or rather, lets say a conservative. I dare say that in 2000, most Americans did not know what a neoconservative was ( pro-big government and pro-illegal immigration ) and two elections later they still don't know. Conservatives have been on autopilot at the voting booth for 8 years now, thinking that they knew what a Republican was.

      I think a lot of the Southern angst is coming from a place where we feel betrayed and manipulated, and now that we're down to the election, there is no candidate who represents us. We deserve what we get. I think fully 95% of the American voting public are unread ignoramuses that can't be bothered to self-educate about the issues, yet, somehow they think they have a civic responsibility to cast a vote. Instead of a "get out the vote" campaign, we ought to convince intellectually apathetic people to stay home. Just my opinion. Democracy suffers when dumb people vote.

      • Posted By: Mr.ChitownKid @ 08/05/2008 2:14:13 AM

        The Beat Goes on. Pres.Bush is a B-. Good on fighting Radicals. Supreme Court Judges. Taxes. But,never slapped Pelosi. Would have gone down in history. 4 months left.

        • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/05/2008 4:58:50 PM

          wow theres so many absurd things in just 2 sentence like things, i couldnt have done better myself unless i watched fox news

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/05/2008 5:22:36 AM

        Well said with the autopilot comment.

        I think the angst of non-southerners is kind of a, 'so didn't you learn your lesson yet' implorement to change course. However, what we end up getting is 90% responses from people like Mr. Chitown, frustrating and frightening. How would it feel to know that your neighbor and countryment talk and think this way? Try the shoes on the other feet.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/05/2008 4:56:17 PM

      a true leader would have never used fear tactics to deceive his country into invading another country

    • Posted By: bernsteinjerome @ 08/05/2008 2:15:57 AM

      Enter Your Comment: you are absolutely right, of course - after 7 years the war is not over, the Iraqis want us to leave, and George Bush must be a great leader because he will not admit that the war was a mistake (and, of course, we are losing ground in Afghanistan where the terrorists really are). Good fror you - you idiot - you have proven the facts in the article: southerners are stupid after all

  • Posted By: sulaco505 @ 08/05/2008 1:39:21 AM

    I is an good ole' suthern boy and i aint voting er that osama feller cuz he dont look like them mens on that there money i aint seen in a long tyme cuz i is ignant and unedicakated like alls u in the north . i is rascist.

    Does that about cover what the stupid S.O.B. who wrote this pile of crap thinks about the south? Sorry to burst his bubble but I and most of the people I know wont vote for Obama because he is the most socialist leaning candidate that has ever run for the Presidency, not because he's black. A good portion of us in the south realize the civil war ended a few years ago and we have let it go, but the liberal elitist like to paint us all as stupid white rascist living in a glorious slave world of the past. They love to treat us as irrelevant redneck bigots and marginalize us and talk down to us. You people need to shut the hell up and leave history in the past and stop trying to use it as a wedge in the country.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/05/2008 4:52:49 PM

      i don't think people from the south are stupid. I just can't see why people are so afraid of left leaning ideas the new-deal worked out pretty good. arguably one of the most left leaning policies ever

    • Posted By: Mr.ChitownKid @ 08/05/2008 2:08:46 AM

      Be viligent. Your voice must stay calm & strong. The kool aid drinkers must be woken slowly.

      • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/05/2008 5:18:18 AM

        You and your kool aid... You know, cults that make their congregations drink cool-aid were run by similar religious oligarchs as you probably watch on TV. It's funny how much you want to reference this, but that the irony is lost on you.

    • Posted By: bernsteinjerome @ 08/05/2008 2:12:58 AM

      Enter Your Comment: but you are ignorant, bigots - it's just a fact - but you really aren't intelligent enough to understand it. I'm not a liberal but what has the Republican party done for you in the last eight years: done away with habeus corpus (you'll have to look it up), ruined the economy, killed 4000 Americans in a war fought because George wanted to show upo his father, doubled the gas prices and cut taxes on George's "base." - they made us a second rate country and you support them. See it's true - you are stupid

    • Posted By: stephenprestwood @ 08/05/2008 1:59:32 AM

      Well the countries that have a long history of democratic socialism, like Denmark, and Sweden are the nicest places I know. (And I've actually been there.) They also consistently rank ahead of the US in most measures for quality of life. Research has also shown that the Danes are the happiest people in the world. So, if the US embraces more socialistic values under an Obama administration, I'm all for it. Of course, the Republican NOISE MACHINE doesn't want the average American to know how well people have it other countries, because then they can demonize them and use them to make juvenile petty arguments, like when we admonished France for not wanting to support the Iraq war. (Yahoo, gimme some of ???dem freedom fries!) Ever been to Paris? Pretty nice, huh? Those French have a great healthcare system too. And on average they live longer happier lives than Americans, but hey who really cares about the facts when we can blame everything on someone else? It's the blacks (read n-word), or the gays (read f-word), or the liberal media, or the communist sympathizers (aren't they all dead yet?), or fill-in-the-blank. It's never suburban and rural white Americans that are to blame for anything. Especially not for electing George Bush for two terms and running this country into the ground. Meanwhile China, India, Europe, Brazil, and many other nations are happy to fill the vacuum left by a declining US where people seem to only be able to argue about the obvious and make excuses for failed policies and corrupt actions. God help this country!

  • Posted By: Mr.ChitownKid @ 08/05/2008 1:57:53 AM

    You must be strong. Bush is a little more then half right. Good judgement on war with Radicals. Good choices for the Supreme Court. Kinda strong with Liberals. Pray that John can get it together enough to save the union. North-South-East-West, there are plenty of God-Loving Patriots who will infiltrate to clean out the trash. The Democraps rush to the bottom.Misery loves misery. Keep your head-up.Pray constantly Smile always.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/05/2008 4:48:20 PM

      alittle more than half retarded more like

    • Posted By: bernsteinjerome @ 08/05/2008 2:06:01 AM

      you're as dumb as the average southerner. Keep praying old man - that's all you are going to end up with. One more term by Republicans and we will, indeed, be a second rate country - and morons like you will sit around waving the flag wondering where it all went.

      • Posted By: Mr.ChitownKid @ 08/05/2008 3:09:51 AM

        No one is asking you to pray.Do not allow Christ to find you.No big f loss.if you drink kool aid,be happy.

        • Posted By: rapidron @ 08/05/2008 4:38:56 AM

          So, learn how to write?

          Your responses are unintelligible...

  • Posted By: PutTheLotionInTheBasket @ 08/04/2008 9:29:25 PM

    THE TOM BRADLEY EFFECT.....
    Obama simply cannot win. Too much is known about him now, especially the list of all his pals. Despite all of the ultra left-wing socialist weeping and hand wringing, here's EXACTLY what WILL happen on election day (and you know in your heart that it's true): It won't matter one iota what people have told pollsters. It won't matter at all if Obama and his socialist coven, Nancy Lugosi etc., are up by 10% on the last day. The Sheeple smile and tell pollsters what pollsters want to hear because the Sheeple have had PCness pounded into them for the last forty years. But as sure as God made green apples they're going to step into those voting booths and they're going to think about Rev. Wright, Obama's wife, the O.J. trial, Al Sharpton, Marion Barry, the Shabaz Fish Shop, the murders and rapes in cities, and recently near colleges, on the TV news, the behavior of the Katrina crowd when Texas took them in and gave them shelter, the L.A. riots, the Miami riots, Cops, America's Most Wanted, the Bloods, the Crips, Ludicris, not feeling safe when they take their families to the movies at night, and they're going to punch the chad for......McCain. They will prefer bland McCain to Obama and ultra left-wing socialism and the prospect of the USA becoming Haiti in four short years. End of story.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 10:09:52 PM

      Voters will step into the polling booth and think about murders and rapes and blame Sen. Obama? You made zero sense.

      • Posted By: Tre4one @ 08/04/2008 10:22:51 PM

        open your mind a wee bit, he's talking generalities.

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/04/2008 11:18:20 PM

          He said voters will go into voting booths and think about murders and rapes and blame Sen. Obama. His meaning was clear, he's anti-Obama.

          • Posted By: scotts88keys @ 08/05/2008 9:58:35 AM

            So what's wrong with being anti-Obama?

            • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/05/2008 4:19:47 PM

              Lying to 'justify' being anti-Obama, that's what's wrong.

    • Posted By: Tre4one @ 08/04/2008 10:26:26 PM

      btw, I agree with your comment. Obama flips flops like a puppet on a string. Whatever the public wants to hear!!!
      on another note, I like neither candidate because they do not back up what they promise. It's only to get the vote. They change their minds like they change their chones.

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