CAMPAIGN 2008

Here We Go Again

Back and forth, back and forth. Wasn't this going to be a campaign free of the usual partisan bickering?

By Evan Thomas, Holly Bailey and Jonathan Darman | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 2, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Aug 11, 2008

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  • Posted By: freecitizen @ 08/15/2008 12:43:35 AM

    Comment: Am I wrong in characterizing McCain as a trigger happy motor mouth who is making the difficult job of the current adminisration harder? I just heard him saying he is daily contact with his "dear" friend the president of Georgia whose name he couldn't pronounce day before yesterday.

    As for claiming "we are all Georgians" he can go to hell. The Georgians, from what I understand started this latest round by attacking and killing Russian "peacekeeping troops" operating under the UN flag and mandate. Sectretary of Defense Gates finally acknowledged they were "wearing blue helmets" and that's as far as we have officially acknowledged that salient fact anywhere in our official pronouncements and the UNOFFICIAL discourse our presumptuous Proto- President McCain whose campaign staff includes a lobyist currently employed by the the government of Georgia. Any reasonable candiate fit to hold office would actually assertain the facts before shooting his mouth off or worse yet commiting America to a potential nuclear confrontation and a costly renewed cold war at the best.

    Beyond ALL of that, how dare these guys lecture anybody on the planet about territorial integrity and how there is no place for naked aggression in the 21st century. We have 10 univited divisions sitting in and round Baghdad doing violence to the local population for reasons so much thinner than Russia's intrusion into a violence prone state right on their border.

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/11/2008 6:50:06 PM

    Are any of you chicken hearted chicken hawk repug mccainites/bra burning clintonites ever gonna step up and answer or just do the ROVE thing avoid and redirect?

    I ask a repug "why is the sky blue?" Repug says "well grass is green." I ask why is water wet?" repug says "dirt is brown and grass grows in dirt so Obama is a Muslim"...lol


    Here lets ask a question and see if a repug can answer with out saying the words Democrats, Obama or Clinton:

    Q: Which American President ignored intelligence that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks, then LEFT AFGHANISTAN for Iraq (a country that has never attacked the US) Says he NEVER even thinks about those who attacked us, "I don't even worry about bin laden"...he says
    Sub question: which American Senator has supported nearly ALL of said Presidents policies on the WAR as proven by his record of voting with the "President" 90% of the time?

    A: have at it

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 9:30:49 PM

    Are any of you chicken hearted chicken hawk repug mccainites/bra burning clintonites ever gopnna step up and answer or just do the ROVE thing avoid and redirect?

    I ask a repug "why is the sky blue?" Repug says "well grass is green." I ask why is water wet?" repug says "dirt is brown and grass grows in dirt so Obama is a muslim"...lol

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/09/2008 4:21:04 AM

    Actually Obama predicted to win by 55 points in the electoral college ;) but nice try lol and is already at 217 needs 227, mccain 189...awe :(

  • Posted By: themadyank @ 08/08/2008 6:16:48 PM

    The McCain campaign may be the source of Obama's contention that he doesn???t look like the presidents on dollar bills. This McCain web ad from last June depicts Obama on a $100 bill and explains who started playing the race card from the bottom of the deck:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI.

    McCain must think that people won't remember that his own campaign was the originator of this nastiness. It doesn???t appear on his website now. (I assume this was prepared by McCain???s campaign staff but I have no way to verify it.)

    Obama doesn't need to apologize when responding to such sleazy tactics. And if people think comments about his looks are racist, they should aim their venom at the cynical McCain camp.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/08/2008 11:01:53 AM

    This is what supporters of the McCain campaign are looking for. A man that has perpetuated job losses and accepts foreign campaign contributions, which is illegal, to which McCain is also a co-sponsor of the campaign finance reform law. McCain is a crook. No straight talk comes from a crooked person. He is full of hot air. Youse GOP'ers need to stay on the porch for the upcoming season.

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 08/08/2008 9:49:59 AM

    Everyone knows how ObamaWeek detests partisanship

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/08/2008 9:31:52 AM



    Ron Suskind Must be the only real journalist left in this country but I guess its just the "Way of the World"


    By Ron Suskind
    What just happened? Evidence. A secret that has been judiciously kept for five years just spilled out. All of what follows is new, never reported in any way:

    The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush -- a man still carrying a $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush's famous deck of wanted men -- has been America's secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, "resettled" Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money.

    In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD -- as Habbush had foretold -- the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a "small team from the al Qaeda organization."

    The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists like Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of the CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting the CIA from conducting disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil.

    So, here we go again: the administration is in full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn't remember any such thing -- just like he couldn't remember "slam dunk" -- and reporters are scratching their heads. Everything in my book is on the record, with many sources. And so, we watch and wait....

    There will be more falling by the wayside after this book is read and there may be an impeachment in the works. Wait there already is! This will give it lots of strength. If you are a patriotic American write all of your congressmen/women and senators and ask them what's up with this.


  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 6:54:55 AM

    A NEW ad...what the Dem leadership says about Senator McCain................

    Daschle says McCain has always worked with Democrats on issues.
    Biden calls McCain a friend.
    Kerry admires him. Calls him patriotic
    Dean modeled his run for the presidency after McCain.
    Feingold says he is a great guy!
    Obama likes the Lieberman/McCain bill.

    And finally Hillary has her say:

    Hillary says, I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.

    NOW...who can cross lines, and work with congress??? I say take them at their words..............

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 7:45:56 AM

      I guess UNHolyRoller didn't see the Obama add that shows the same democrats criticizing McCain. Or maybe he just forgot to mention it.

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:28:56 AM

        He also missed the time frame those remarks were made. They were made prior to the time he flipped flopped on the bush tax cut for the rich, affirmative action, off shore drilling, due process and on and on and on. All of those issues he flipped on bought him support and money from the radiacl right wingers that are essential to his campaign. 1.3 million from Big oil and another 1 million from big Oil to the RNC earmarked specifically for the McCain Campaign.

        McCain's Campaign slogan should be ...No sacrifice is too great ,whether its the poor, the troops in iraq or the environment , to achieve my own ambition.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 12:45:48 AM


    You'd think that Obamas camp would have done an extensive background check. Same with McCain as he has shuffled people in and out of his camp more than a few times..

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Obama's Muslim-Outreach Adviser Resigns
    By GLENN R. SIMPSON and AMY CHOZICK
    August 6, 2008; Page A4

    The Muslim-outreach coordinator to the presidential campaign of Barack Obama has resigned amid questions about his involvement in an Islamic investment fund and various Islamic groups.

    Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, who was appointed volunteer national coordinator for Muslim American affairs by the Obama campaign on July 26, stepped down Monday after an Internet newsletter wrote about his brief stint on the fund's board, which also included a fundamentalist imam

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/150578/output/comments

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:42:11 AM

      Today the mcCain campaign returned 50K donated by a Jordanian/dominican Citizen. they did so after they were outed by the press.Whoever tok that money in will disappear into the background.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:33:14 PM

        No McCain returned the donations that he bundled because McCain wasn't sure if those people knew that they were donating to McCain. There is a clear difference.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:10:31 AM

      Thanks I already read that, what is interesting is how fast my.barackobama.com scrubbed Asbahi's blog as compared to the "throw the jews in the oven" blog. I'm not saying it's Obama's fault directly, but he needs to get better webmaster.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 12:49:06 AM


      This is the source for excerpt in case anyone wants to read the full article from the Wall Street Journal.:

      http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121797906741214995.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 7:08:00 PM

    Let's use our imagination. mouth-breathing G OLD Per josemarti has a brain. Sorry, no one should be asked to stretch their imagination that far. It almost describes the bush adminstrations refusal to recognize the data they were provided describing Bin Laden plan to use airplanes to hit large buildings in new York City, doesn't it? why didn't they focus on that data supplied by the secret service? Because they were focused on a mush bigger mission. They were busy cooking up phony evidence to foolthe world into supporting the invasion of Iraq. A plan which has thus far caused the deaths of more than 4000 of our bravest young soldiers.
    josemarti supports john mccain a man who would send thousands more to die in this trumped up republican war. Please show me the difference between a dispicable josemarti and Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell/rumsfeld and McCain. All would sacrifice our troops to win the white house. Cowards and traitors to our country all.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 5:07:26 PM

      suckerfisherperson.........as you may remember...I gained quite an admiration, for Sen. Clinton. I had no major concerns of her being elected POTUS. I have always readily admitted, I would vote for McCain, but knew deep down, that Hillary.....would use whatever force necessary to deal with the enemies of this great nation. We all know her message to Iran. Hussein WOULD NOT...He is far left of the Clinton's. He has displayed a great fondness, for multiple I HATE AMERICA individuals. The Hussein camp played dirty with her. They accused anyone supporting her of being RACIST. They directly accused Bill of being RACIST.

      Hussein is of very questionable character. He is inexperienced. He is two-faced. He is anti-semite. He is sympathetic to radical Islam. He has a very stron tendency to Marxist ideopogy. He is far more liberal, than most of his supporters...which I'll wager INCLUDES YOU.

      Your battle cry is IRAQ. Face it....we are there...we are WINNING....would you rather lose??? It would be almost irreparable to our country. This war MUST be won. John McCain is the right man at the right time. Hussein Obama IS NOT.

      BTW.......when sh*t hits the fan in Denver...who you gonna support???

      NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:38:32 PM

      Your truly sick you know that. When you try a paint McCain and his supporters as wanting to sacrifice American lives just to win the white house you create more partisan walls that your candidate keeps on telling you to destroy. Do you even listen to your candidate, or are you supporting him because you hate the GOP that much?

      • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/09/2008 11:00:01 AM

        YOU MISS THE POINT AS USUAL..............OR POSSIBLY YOU SIDESTEP THE POINT SINCE THE TRUE ANSWER DOESN'T SERVE YOUR PUPOSES!

        HE IS USING THE LIVES OF AMERICAN CHILDREN............................NOT PROTECTING AMERICANS, BUT AGAINST THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WISHES......................TO PROVE HIS CONSCIENCE AFTER THE FACT OF A PREEMTIVE WAR, THAT HE IS A GOOD MAN WHO WILL SACRAFICE HIS OWN TO BRING DEMOCRACY TO IRAQ...................WETHER THE PEOPLE PAYING FOR IT AND PROVIDING THE CANNON FODER WANT IT OR NOT!

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 8:42:09 AM

        What I hate is seeing our young women and men dieing in iraq. A war cooked up by those you promote. Your candidate is worried about winnig that war while taking his eye off the real enemy in Afganistan and Pakistan just as Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell/Rumsfeld did when they were cooking up the false evidence to fool the world into supporting him. All we hear in defense of the invasion is that sadaam was a bad man and that other intelllegence agencies had the same evidence. Everyone in the world including you mouth-breathers know we should get out of there immediately but for you out of touch G OLD Pers that might mean Mccain might lose. Bottom line the war continuing is essential to Mccain's campaign, to say otherwise would be a flip flop that wouldn't fly with the radical right wingers.the blood is on your hands!

        • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:10:33 AM

          You won't have to worry much longer about the partisan walls coming down. The democratic party is gaining strenght daily and will be in power for a long time to come. with a democratic president and a filibuster proof congress we can move towards taking this country from thr republicans that are a strictly for profit business, A fair health care system for all and help for those who need it will prevail and the tired and out of touch G OLD P will be relegated to 3rd party status. The Consitution will and Human rights will no longer be trampled on as it is by your party. The Republican party had plenty of opportunity to divorce itself from radical Rasists groups and passed it up in favor of getting their votes. They could have divorced themselves from radical religeous group who condemn everyone but themselves to hell. they could have divorced themselves from those who would sacrifice our best and bravest for oil and campaign donations. The G OLD P's opportunities lost are Democrats gains. Barack obama has been the catalyst for gethering those who used to sit and complain instead of standing up. Is he the best there has ever been/ No! Is he the answer to all of our ills? No! Is he everyones Democratic choice/ No! I'm a Hillary supporter. Is he head and sholders above McCain? Yes! Is he more intellegent than McCain? Yes! Is he the right man for the job, right now/ Oh Hell Yes!

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 5:04:51 PM

            suckerfisherperson.........as you may remember...I gained quite an admiration, for Sen. Clinton. I had no major concerns of her being elected POTUS. I have always readily admitted, I would vote for McCain, but knew deep down, that Hillary.....would use whatever force necessary to deal with the enemies of this great nation. We all know her message to Iran. Hussein WOULD NOT...He is far left of the Clinton's. He has displayed a great fondness, for multiple I HATE AMERICA individuals. The Hussein camp played dirty with her. They accused anyone supporting her of being RACIST. They directly accused Bill of being RACIST.

            Hussein is of very questionable character. He is inexperienced. He is two-faced. He is anti-semite. He is sympathetic to radical Islam. He has a very stron tendency to Marxist ideopogy. He is far more liberal, than most of his supporters...which I'll wager INCLUDES YOU.

            Your battle cry is IRAQ. Face it....we are there...we are WINNING....would you rather lose??? It would be almost irreparable to our country. This war MUST be won. John McCain is the right man at the right time. Hussein Obama IS NOT.

            BTW.......when sh*t hits the fan in Denver...who you gonna support???

            NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:33:58 PM

            You seem to love the idea of one party rule....how did that work out in Germany or Russia?

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/07/2008 5:46:53 PM

    Let us use our imagination. America has been attacked again. President Obama is addressing the nation. "My fellow Americans this morning a group of desperate, unempathic men attacked our country. This attack although it could not be prevented was expected. Eight years of the Bush mis-administration has directly caused much anger and resentment towards the United States throughout the world. I will workd hard over the next four years to reverse the anger and desperation that these young men felt. This is the same anger and desperation that many of our children in the inner city feel. I am sending my Secretary of State Joseph Biden on a special mission to the Middle East. He will probably produce a few good laughts in our enemies and leave them better disposed towards us. God da....bless America.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 11:54:39 PM

      We don't have to imagine what Bush did after we were attacked. He used 9/11 to not only attack Al Qaeda, the people responsible for the attack, but he also used it as a way to invade Iraq by playing on the fears of the U.S. citizens.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 5:23:27 PM

    The proof is in the pudding. If Republicans were popular with the people, then why must they meet in only staged areas where they're assured a warm welcome. When did you ever see Bush except at the white house or in front of a captive audience of troops. If they make the mistake of speaking any other place they are jeered.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:42:20 PM

      Your proof positive that there are two Americas, people like you build divisions and the walls that your Nominee keeps on telling you to destroy. No wonder you can't debate policy, your too busy attacking anyone that doesn't hold your world view. Heaven forbid anyone has a difference of opinion anymore. You seem to think that one party rule is Okay as long as it's your party that is ruling. You might want to read some history books to see how that worked out before.

    • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 5:58:03 PM

      Congress has a lower approval rating (single digit) than Bush. They better get off their a$$es and pass oil drilling or they WONT get re-elected. Period.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 11:55:20 PM

        That is ALL of congress, not just the Democrats.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:12:54 AM

          Yet just like how you blame Bush for everything that is wrong in this country, the Dem leadership will be blamed for the stinkfest that is Congress these days. You can't have it both ways.

          But I agree it's all of congress' fault but the Buck stops at the Senate and House leadership.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:18:53 AM

            The "stinkfest" is because there is TOO MUCH partisianship on both sides of the aisle. I don't like the stinkfest our government has become any more than you do.


























            The problem is that there is TOO MUCH partisianship on both sides of the aisle. I don't like the stinkfest our government has become any more than you do. BTW I don't think the high gas and oil problems are Bush's fault, I just do not agree with his idea of a solution.












            • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 7:58:04 AM

              I agree to a certain extent. There's way too much partisan politics going on in Congress. But you have to admit that the Dems taking off for break isn't helping them (politically speaking) much. And, honestly, I've gotten to where I despise Pelosi. She's let the power of being Speaker of the House go to her head. I'm disappointed that the first women Speaker is dissing us in such a big way. Da*n her!

              • Posted By: raddave @ 08/09/2008 2:29:47 AM

                Again, all of congress took a break, it is their summer recess, it happens every year at this time. However, if Pres. Bush really wants action, instead of "demanding" congress to come back, he has the authority under the constitution to call congress into what is called in the constitution "extrordinary session." If he really wants them to deal with the engery problem, then he should do it.

              • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 6:34:58 PM

                Yeah imagine if they were gone like over 61% of the time...that would be disgusting, how could anybody do anything EVER if they were absent over 61% of the time? And then if they were GONE for over 61% of the time and talking crap about somebody taking a "fall break"...that would be messed up, and completely hypocritical, huh...NOW can you JOHN MCCAIN ;)

                • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 6:48:53 PM

                  Typical word vomit. I expect nothing less. Next time just swallow it, will ya?

                  P.S. I'll take BIG MAC over whopper Jr. anyday! And, oh yeah, did I mention.....come Nov.4th the O-man LOSES!

                  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 5:40:52 AM

                    You're so cute, so diluted, so schyzo, so oily, and SO DESPERATE. 61% mccain's attendance look it up genius, or have you alter ego douche do it for you, if he can get his hands off Larry long enough ;)

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/07/2008 3:50:38 PM

    The thread continues due to the fact that these hack ''reporters''make it so easy. From Gergen and Dionne,to Herbert and Clift, Milbank and Robinson, we now have SLATE Magazines[web] Timothy Noah,another of these species of Obamaite who now proclaims that the use of the word ''skinny'', in political circles,is a code-word for ''black'' and is thus a racist term. HOTAIR,always on the lookout for such inanity as posited by the increaingly deranged Fourth Estate Obama Cheerleading Squad,immediately put up a vintage SLATE article in early 2008 critiquing GOP candidate Mike Huckabee for being too ''skinny'' as well as pointing out that the Evil Racist Professional Golf Assn. needed to be taken to the diversity woodshed for daring to comment on the recuperating Tiger Woods for being ''too thin'' after a bout with sickness recently.

    www.slate.com


    ''You're too skinny''

    From the autobiography of Lt. Audie Murphy [Americas most decorated soldier] commenting on a Marine recruiters statement to him from ''To Hell And Back''. 1955.

    • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:31:52 PM

      Okay, whats your point. Besides the fact that it's negative and insultive along with the fact that your statements seem almost unreal. I mean you're overall argument is just repeating other Mccain supporters. Can't you come up with anything new besides race and hot air.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 4:01:44 PM

      Those who listen to Slate are condemned to repeat him!

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 3:07:53 PM

    Hey Harley, Who's ole Rusbo's latest mouth-breather, "spirited away"? He makes josemarti look like Albert Einstein!

    • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 5:43:45 PM

      For the record, I never listen to Rush.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 6:42:34 PM

        You may not listen but your alter ego CorHolyO does, so subconsciously you do. And you do PARROT FOXNOISE ;)

        • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 7:20:06 PM

          Nasty (defined)
          1. Disgustingly dirty.
          2. Physically repellent.
          3. Morally offensive; indecent.
          4. Malicious; spiteful
          5. Very unpleasant or annoying
          6. Painful or dangerous;
          7. Exasperatingly difficult to solve or handle

          In proper noun form-better known as Harley.

          I'll take BIG MAC over whopper JR.-------Come Nov.4th, O-man loses!!!!!

          • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/10/2008 5:43:20 AM

            So neatly done, and with all that oil on your hands...wow! impressive. and mccain is DEFINETLY FRIED...lol ;)

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/09/2008 2:31:04 AM

            Come on Spirted, flame broiled beats fried in all taste tests.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 3:06:55 PM

    There is a link to an article from a soldier about Obama snubbing soldiers in Afghanistan being posted on all of the Newsweek sites;.
    Link to that "LETTER" http://www.osamaforobama08.com/articles/soldiersletter.html

    Well that soldier has since recanted and has stated that the information in his letter was wrong and was intended for his family ONLY. Basically he lied!

    Link to entire article including the soldier's request that his letter be deleted from the internet:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:08:54 PM

      Oh he said I lied. But I only wanted to lie to my family? Wonder how much money this joker got from the Obama money machine

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:01:34 AM

        The site on snopes proves that this email was false. He also had to recant his story because as a military officer he is prohibited from having his affiliation to the Army on political material. He also said it was for his family because if it was proven that he had sent a mass email out, he would be in trouble for violating the regualtion as well.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 4:22:38 PM

        Wow According to you and others on these boards Obama is the most popular and powerful man in the word. Wow now I wonder why Obama would even bother with the Presidency, since he already has all of the power and money?

        To answer your comment: YES. OBAMA PAID THIS U.S SOLDIER TO LIE, IN FACT OBAMA HAS A WHOLE GROUP OF MILITARY PERSONNEL ON HIS PAYROLL LOL!

        • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 4:28:40 PM

          WOW! they are right, Obama is like gaorge bush...lmao.

          • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:25:35 PM

            No, your going by your own opinions and own lies. People like you supporters have to stop talking opinions and fabricated lies like they are truth and actually show some substance behind your words. I like most of zombie and sharenews comments, I may not agree with them, but at least they use facts to back up their claims. And when they do show opinions they don't state it as fact. You guys seriously need to think your issues over before you put them onto the internet. God, some people these days....

            • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 6:44:49 PM

              I have yet to any "fact" that dummyzero has posted that I or somebody else has NOT proven FALSE, or fabricated ;)
              Some people these days. hey welcome though newby ;0

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:45:26 PM

              Thank you. A pure complement not a backhanded one. I apologize for some of my negative comments. If we both keep it civil then I think we can have a good debate. I won't go negative unless you do...sound like a deal?

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 1:35:52 PM

    Pia & Sky, My sincere apologies, I was fishing at Lake Istokpoga an hours drive above Lake Okeechobee since last Friday. We're waiting here in Florida for Hillary to visit and hope Barack comes with her. The State is leaning McCain right now and we hope it will swing our way after some reconciliation is accomplished. Usually Florida is essential to winning the General Election, but that doesn't seem so this year. Barack will win the Electoral Vote battle by a large margin and if he wins Florida it willl be more of a rout than expected. Every Poll has Barack with at least 300 Electoral Votes. I have broken down the Red, Light Red, Blue, Light Blue and the toss up states using the polls in the toss ups to award the leader those votes. I make it 322 for Senator Obama and 216 for Senator McCain. It could be a larger total for Barack. The unknown here in Florida and I'm sure a few other states is the tremendous response to Barack's registration campaign. One example here is that Democrat Hispanic Voters now out number Republicans in the state. If they go to the polls coupled with the huge African american vote Barack can win here. Just a little aside, I was in Outdoor World saturday before last and passed a guy wearing the same Veterans for Obama button that I was. His lady had a rectangular button with Obama for president on it.

    I'm not disputing the Florida polls but I'm sure they don't reflect the increased registrations or the potential large turnout. who would have ever believed that Georgia and Texas of all places would be light red instead of solid red. I'm pretty sure McCain will win both of them but it sends a message that we're sick and tired of the corrupt Republican Machine. 4 years ago it was the Dems. who were whining about public financing.

    WHO'S CRYING NOW?

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/07/2008 12:16:59 PM

    "They want to know what you would be like if this great land is attacked again."

    In all likelihood, America would order the equipment to fight back from China and after it was delivered go to war, or we could fight it with hummers so it would last a long time and provide a handsome profit to the likes of Halliburton KBR, Black water. And the stockholders.

    This Administration and America has failed in 7 years to bring OBL to justice, incompetently fighting a war in Iraq instead, but Iraq had oil and Afghanistan had none.

    But the problem is much greater then that, WWII was won in 4 years.
    It was the manufacturing might and the skills of the American people that accomplished that feat, and we have lost both.
    This administration tried to fight two wars with little more than a lot of hummers, the vehicle that replaced the jeep.
    It took 5 years to design and deliver an IED resistant vehicle to Iraq a vehicle that has yet to be delivered to Afghanistan; they are now being built in South Africa and should be delivered some time after the first of the year.

    America has been sold down the river by the Republicans, lots of rhetoric but no brains.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/07/2008 10:26:12 AM

    Barry. You can't just stand there. Detached. Aloof. Cerebral. Passive. Remote. Distant. Bland. Americans want to see a far greater emotional range from you. They want to know what you would be like if this great land is attacked again. Would you get angry and promise retaliation or would you remain stoic and promise more funding for the Peace Corps.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:26:42 AM

      I don't think you could classify Obama as bland. You may not agree with his policies, but he is a great speaker and has sown a quick wit.

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 08/07/2008 12:45:08 PM

      YOU ARE RIGHT.............HE SHOULD GET FLUSTERED, PISSED OFF, AND FORGET IMPORTANT FACTS BECAUSE OF THE ONSET OF SENILITY OR ALZHEIMERS,................. LIKE MCAIN!

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:13:06 PM

        I agree. Anyone who (mis-votes) really needs to keep his eye on the ball. Dont want to get him thinking about more then 1 thing at a time do we?

        • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:15:08 PM

          Yeah, I mean, if we were attacked we would want the president to get angry, lose all common sense, not use his head, and start another war. Not actually attempt to calm the country down, use his head, and try to negotiate or make peace or resolve the issue in another way other than money, violence, and death. I mean, that would just be plain horrible. LOL

  • Posted By: benluclar @ 08/07/2008 8:50:45 AM

    The point I find interesting here is that the media is glamorizing the way "handlers" of candidates are actually using their brains (gee, that's a new one!) to make their candidate look good in the eyes of voters.
    What makes me mad is that, as a voter, I am part of the millions who these idiots actually think they are "HANDLING"!
    The MINDLESS are not the voters, people, they are the people running this circus.
    One of my pet peeves is anyone who tries in vain to "handle' my way of thinking and maneuver my judgement in contrast to my own logic.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:30:10 AM

      The problem with the media is with whom they are. Take a look at the line ups on CNN, MSNBC and Fox, they are all politicos with backgrounds in politics. Don't confuse that with political science though, these are people who have worked on campaigns and hold themselves in the highest esteem. they are enchanted by every word coming out of their own mouths.

      nothing could prove this point better than the way they treated Tim Russert. I thought he would be lying in State in the Capitol's Rotunda before they were finished. Bottom line is they're just a bunch of talking heads with a message to deliver. That goes for all of them.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:05:33 AM

        I have to disagree with you, not all are politicos with political background. Keith Olberman was a sportscaster before going on MSNBC.

      • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:16:05 PM

        Well lets not leave out unbiased reporters whos legs shake when Obama speaks. LMAO What a tool!!!!!!

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:43:01 AM

          Or the unbiased reporters who cream their pants when McCain speaks either

        • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:11:42 PM

          Like Mccain doesn't have any biased shows running for him? Hello, Fox, Rush Limbaugh, the Oreilly show. There's always been republican shows and there's always been democratic shows. I mean, it's not new or anything. Also, how can you get mad at people trying to influence your opinion. I understand, if it's like a Jehovah witness or something who keeps bugging you or knocking on your door. But these are comments, you can choose to read them or not. You can't get mad at us for expressing our own opinions.

      • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/07/2008 9:56:56 AM




        I tottaly agree with that important point.


  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:13:00 AM

    Another top issue is flip-flopping. It's a term used on both sides. Many people on Newsweek say they're scared of Obama flip-flopping. Yet, if you paid any attention, You'd notice that Senator Mccain has made many flip-flops himself. I mean, he's gone from pro life, to pro choice, from against Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, to for Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, and many more.<http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html>. As for offshore drilling, Obama didn't flip-flop, he said he was open to the idea if it was part of a bigger energy plan. Is being open to an idea seriously that bad? But overall, when you really think about it, who's never changed their ideas, who can say they've never changed or reversed their ideas even once?

    The next issue is National Security. You say you trust Senator Mccain to protect this country. Yet over the past couple days he's been slammed by Paris Hilton's mom, even Paris Hilton herself recently. If Mccain can't even protect himself from an old women, from Paris Hilton and her mother for Christ's sake, how can you expect him to protect the rest of the country.

    Lastly, there is the issue of Iraq and Obama listening to the generals on the ground. You say you don't trust Obama because he won't listen to the generals and instead implement his 16 month timetable no matter what they say. Yet even senator Mccain, the person who
    got the enemy factions confused, was corrected, than said the same mistake again, complemented Obama's 16 month timetable. I mean, we may not be on the same page here, but if even senator Mccain complements the timetable, than isn't that a good plan, isn't that a good timetable. I mean, that's what I believe anyway.

    Well there you go, I hope you enjoy it, thanks for taking your time to read it.

  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:11:12 AM

    Alright, I'm back, and I'm ready to kick some ass. I've looked over the comments through newsweeek and found some of the most important subjects(at least discussed) and here's what I got.

    Hillary voters( why should I vote for Obama?)
    We'll. Hillary supporters, I've mentioned this before, and I'll mention this again. You voted for Hillary for a reason, to not have another Republican in office, to put a Clinton in office.(since the last Clinton in office did a good job) I know Obama isn't a Clinton, but as you heard in the primaries, Clinton and Obama share much to the same views and goals. If Obama's ever going to go to anyone for advice, it's going to be the Clintons. They've been through presidential elections before, they've won presidential elections before. The Clintons will be Obama's biggest friends and biggest allies in this race. Now, I'm not saying all Hillary voters "have" to vote for Obama. But any Hillary supporter who thinks Mccain is closer to a Clinton, to Hillary, than Obama is, is utterly insane.

    Next we turn to experience. You say Obama is too inexperienced to be president yet Mccain is. (Yet the first point I want to point out, is neither candidate has experience being
    president). George Bush also had "experience" before he came into office, yet he's run our country to ***. We had a surplus going into 2000, yet now, we are nearing a recession, millions of people are going bankrupt and losing their homes and businesses, over 4,000 soldiers have died in an unnecessary war( and unwinnable war), and so much more. Even the most "experienced" leader can run a country into the toilet. So clearly, experience doesn't define a good president. I mean, isn't it better to have an inexperienced president with the right idea, than an experienced president with the wrong idea.

    Next we have the Reverand Wright issue. You say you're all scared of Obama because of his association with Reverand Wright. I have plenty of stupid friends who've I've been friends with for years and years, but it doesn't mean I share their ideas or opinions, or have become stupid or crazy by hanging out with them. I mean that's just stupid. I mean who hasn't had a stupid friend or one that was just a little off their rocker, I mean really.




    Continued below

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:38:15 AM

      This is excellent. Thank you.

    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:17:32 PM

      Guess what? Your not running for POTUS!!!!! Left that lil important fact out of your post.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 7:50:14 AM

        He didn't have to mention it, but because you right-wingers get confused easily I guess he should have put it it for you.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:38:05 AM

      Good post

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 12:57:29 AM

    Awe look it's the Oilboy's B!TCH, I mean alter ego, long time no smell ya, I fear it is CornHolyO who has slipped off his meds, or mixed them with the drugs he and Larry Sinclair do.

    Please welcome The Spirit Of CornHolyO...schyzo-blogger ;)

    • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 11:39:16 AM

      Typical reply from lil Miss bi-polar. I expect nothing less from someone as NASTY as you.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 2:41:22 PM

        I realize that when you are "spirity" you are unaware of you're of your other personality, which is ok becuase it's a moron. But we "veterans" know what "spirit" is all about. I await your hate...good day

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:20:33 PM

          You should tell them about all the spirit you showed the high school football team at that party.

          • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 4:33:15 PM

            You mean when I presented them with your momma and she willing went, even with the mascot?

  • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 12:47:23 AM

    Hi Pia, responded to you below. ttyl :o)

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 10:09:48 AM

      Hello T, read it..... thanks for filling me in on PPH. I wasn't aware of any of it.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 2:23:41 PM

        Pia Spirited is just HiolyRoller schzoblogger, believe.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:41:45 AM

          Harley, thank you but not to worry, I know T. Her and I have known one another for a while now. We share many things in common, in fact we even use the same makeup brand. This brand is not a store brand. It is a high end brand. Only women who use it know about it. T is related to HR but T is not HR.

          • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 7:39:33 AM

            Thanks Pia. ; )

        • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 5:40:32 PM

          Pia knows who I am. As for you-you're nothing but a nasty little liar. You remind me of Gollum from lotr. You kinda feel sorry for the lil' guy until you realize he's an evil funker.

          • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/08/2008 6:47:05 PM

            OMG don't let CornHolyO know you watched a secular movie like that, he might spill the oil. Pia knows who you pretend to be, and as your are hold back your own reigns, I will also, but I know who you really are ;)

            • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 7:24:45 PM

              Gimme me a break! lol You DON"T even "know" who you are.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 12:35:56 AM



    Now on Bestsellers Lists:

    THE OBAMA NATION by Dr. Jerome Corsi

    AMAZON
    Bestseller list at NO. 9

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=amb_link_5989612_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=auto-sparkle&pf_rd_r=1E63D4A1CRK45D4H4XYX&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=336095101&pf_rd_i=best%20sellers


    BARNES AND NOBLE
    Bestseller list at NO. 14.

    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=The+Obama+Nation


    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    INTERVIEW with Author of The Obama Nation, Dr. Jerome Corsi, Ph.d

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdFs6hjPnyw

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgaGFITnTAQ

  • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/06/2008 10:46:16 PM

    All that need be said is 217 - 189 ;)

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:08:11 AM

      Neither Obama nor McCain have any electorial votes, since neither is the official nominee of their party and the elction is in November.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 11:41:19 PM

      Wow, I didnt realize McCain was that close when comparing electoral votes. The gap has shrinked somewhat since the last time I looked at it.

      • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:39:46 AM

        You mean Shrunk...like your pea-brain. mouth-breather!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 7:23:11 PM

          I can always tell when I hit a nerve with an Obamabot. . .when they start resorting to name calling.

          • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 8:24:01 PM

            Yep, you got that right.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 7:12:27 PM

          Thats all you have in response ? LOL. Not surprised.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 10:55:39 PM

      What will you say when those numbers start to reverse?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 10:42:31 AM

        Huh, huh, they won't, Z.

      • Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 08/07/2008 12:52:56 AM

        I'll say WAKE UP ZOMBIE, you're dreaming ;)

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 10:19:32 PM

    This is Partisanship at it's worse!

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/aljefferson

    "Throw the jews in the oven this november. its the only way we can free america and make sure barack obama is elected!"

    Here is the screen grab....
    http://www.liberalrapture.com/uploaded_images/obama-blog-724773.jpg

    It is sad that it took the site 2 days to take the post down

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:07:12 PM

      So now it is Obama's fault for some stupid racist thing that a blogger wrote? In that case McCain and Clinton have a hell of a lot to apologize for!

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:41:07 AM

      Here's one worth checking out Google Zombie Hero is a skin head.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:57:26 PM

        Stop trying to insinuate it just come out and say it already. You aren't going to hurt my feelings.

    • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 2:49:58 AM

      What the hell, throw the Jews in the oven. What the hell is wrong with you. Are you just sick and prejudice on the internet, or in real life too. You say your not prejudice or anything, but to say a statement like that, well, somethings wrong with you...you need help.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 3:27:20 AM

        Can you read? That post was from a page on barackobama.com. Do you think I'm going to have a page on barackobama.com?
        This was from an Obama supporter not me, which goes to show how much hatred is in the Obama supporter camp. What is despicable is that it took barackobama.com 2 days to take that trash off their website.

        Please learn to read for once.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:11:07 AM

          actually it was my.barackobama.com. barackobama.com is the official website for Barack Obama, not some nutjob anti-semite.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:18:35 AM

            my.barackobama.com is part of barackobama.com, both use same campaign funds to operate.

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:13:53 AM

            oops, I just went and saw it, it was on Obama's website, but it was a blog from some nutjob.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:23:39 AM

              My only concern is why it took 2 days for that blog to be scrubbed? barakobama.com scrubbed Massen Asbahi's blog in a matter of minutes.

        • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:27:45 AM

          I'm Sorry, I'm tired, I didn't read the whole thing, that was a mistake on my part.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 10:16:13 PM

    Here is an article that I now will PO Barry supporters. How long will it take for them question the integrity of this poll?

    In the latest Rasmussen Report, John McCain has tripled his previous lead over Obama on the topic of immigration. Two weeks ago, McCain held a three percentage point lead over Obama and this report shows McCain ahead in the public's trust by 45 percent to 36 percent. 19 percent of respondents said not sure.

    McCain's biggest advantage over Obama is on the Iraq war, where McCain enjoys a double digit lead of 12 percent with Obama receiving 39 percent and McCain holding 51 percent. 10 percent of respondents said not sure.

    John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate has also pulled ahead of Barack Obama in the area of balancing the federal budget, a topic the candidates were tied on with 40 percent two weeks ago, and today McCain holds a three percentage point advantage with 43 to 40 percent for Obama. 17 percent not sure.

    The issues that Barack Obama held a wide lead on two weeks ago has shown his leads decreasing.

    Two weeks ago on health care, Obama enjoyed a 12 percentage point lead and now he leads with 5 percentage points, 46 percent to 41 percent for McCain.

    Same with education, Obama previously had a 10 percentage point lead, which has now decreased to a 4 point lead, 43 to 39 percent.

    The two presumptive presidential candidates are tied at 45 percent on the topic of the economy, Obama held a one percent lead last week.

    Barack Obama holds an 8 percent lead on environmental issues, with 48 to 40 percent and 12 percent stating they aren't sure.

    In another poll released this week it showed that over half the respondents support Obama???s proposal to provide working families with energy credits, while not being sure about his plan to tax big oil companies, yet when voters were asked who they trust more on energy issues, they chose John McCain by a 46 percent to 42 percent margin.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_trust_for_mccain_on_key_issues_growing

    Feel free to attack the Rasmussen if you don't like the results.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 7:02:43 PM

    Holly Roller. You have been a real prophet these last few months. What part of Obama's mask will fall next?

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 8:17:46 PM

      BikerChick mentioned some of his problems below. The most dangerous being Tony Rezko. Anyone who thinks the Rezko deal is over, is very naive. Sentencing is in Sept. Tony faces basically a life sentence with no chance of parole......now this is where it gets good.

      Rezko could have remained free on bond, until Sept. Instead he chose to go directly from the courtroom to prison. WHY??? He is a dual-citizen with Syria. He ha