Comment: Am I wrong in characterizing McCain as a trigger happy motor mouth who is making the difficult job of the current adminisration harder? I just heard him saying he is daily contact with his "dear" friend the president of Georgia whose name he couldn't pronounce day before yesterday.
As for claiming "we are all Georgians" he can go to hell. The Georgians, from what I understand started this latest round by attacking and killing Russian "peacekeeping troops" operating under the UN flag and mandate. Sectretary of Defense Gates finally acknowledged they were "wearing blue helmets" and that's as far as we have officially acknowledged that salient fact anywhere in our official pronouncements and the UNOFFICIAL discourse our presumptuous Proto- President McCain whose campaign staff includes a lobyist currently employed by the the government of Georgia. Any reasonable candiate fit to hold office would actually assertain the facts before shooting his mouth off or worse yet commiting America to a potential nuclear confrontation and a costly renewed cold war at the best.
Beyond ALL of that, how dare these guys lecture anybody on the planet about territorial integrity and how there is no place for naked aggression in the 21st century. We have 10 univited divisions sitting in and round Baghdad doing violence to the local population for reasons so much thinner than Russia's intrusion into a violence prone state right on their border.
CAMPAIGN 2008
Here We Go Again
Back and forth, back and forth. Wasn't this going to be a campaign free of the usual partisan bickering?
Published Aug 2, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Aug 11, 2008
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Posted By: freecitizen @ 08/15/2008 12:43:35 AM
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 5:23:27 PM
The proof is in the pudding. If Republicans were popular with the people, then why must they meet in only staged areas where they're assured a warm welcome. When did you ever see Bush except at the white house or in front of a captive audience of troops. If they make the mistake of speaking any other place they are jeered.
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 5:58:03 PM
Congress has a lower approval rating (single digit) than Bush. They better get off their a$$es and pass oil drilling or they WONT get re-elected. Period.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 11:55:20 PM
That is ALL of congress, not just the Democrats.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:12:54 AM
Yet just like how you blame Bush for everything that is wrong in this country, the Dem leadership will be blamed for the stinkfest that is Congress these days. You can't have it both ways.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:18:53 AM
The "stinkfest" is because there is TOO MUCH partisianship on both sides of the aisle. I don't like the stinkfest our government has become any more than you do.
The problem is that there is TOO MUCH partisianship on both sides of the aisle. I don't like the stinkfest our government has become any more than you do. BTW I don't think the high gas and oil problems are Bush's fault, I just do not agree with his idea of a solution.-
Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/08/2008 7:58:04 AM
I agree to a certain extent. There's way too much partisan politics going on in Congress. But you have to admit that the Dems taking off for break isn't helping them (politically speaking) much. And, honestly, I've gotten to where I despise Pelosi. She's let the power of being Speaker of the House go to her head. I'm disappointed that the first women Speaker is dissing us in such a big way. Da*n her!
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/09/2008 2:29:47 AM
Again, all of congress took a break, it is their summer recess, it happens every year at this time. However, if Pres. Bush really wants action, instead of "demanding" congress to come back, he has the authority under the constitution to call congress into what is called in the constitution "extrordinary session." If he really wants them to deal with the engery problem, then he should do it.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:42:20 PM
Your proof positive that there are two Americas, people like you build divisions and the walls that your Nominee keeps on telling you to destroy. No wonder you can't debate policy, your too busy attacking anyone that doesn't hold your world view. Heaven forbid anyone has a difference of opinion anymore. You seem to think that one party rule is Okay as long as it's your party that is ruling. You might want to read some history books to see how that worked out before.
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Posted By: themadyank @ 08/08/2008 6:16:48 PM
The McCain campaign may be the source of Obama's contention that he doesn???t look like the presidents on dollar bills. This McCain web ad from last June depicts Obama on a $100 bill and explains who started playing the race card from the bottom of the deck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI.
McCain must think that people won't remember that his own campaign was the originator of this nastiness. It doesn???t appear on his website now. (I assume this was prepared by McCain???s campaign staff but I have no way to verify it.)
Obama doesn't need to apologize when responding to such sleazy tactics. And if people think comments about his looks are racist, they should aim their venom at the cynical McCain camp.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 7:08:00 PM
Let's use our imagination. mouth-breathing G OLD Per josemarti has a brain. Sorry, no one should be asked to stretch their imagination that far. It almost describes the bush adminstrations refusal to recognize the data they were provided describing Bin Laden plan to use airplanes to hit large buildings in new York City, doesn't it? why didn't they focus on that data supplied by the secret service? Because they were focused on a mush bigger mission. They were busy cooking up phony evidence to foolthe world into supporting the invasion of Iraq. A plan which has thus far caused the deaths of more than 4000 of our bravest young soldiers.
josemarti supports john mccain a man who would send thousands more to die in this trumped up republican war. Please show me the difference between a dispicable josemarti and Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell/rumsfeld and McCain. All would sacrifice our troops to win the white house. Cowards and traitors to our country all.-
Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 5:07:26 PM
suckerfisherperson.........as you may remember...I gained quite an admiration, for Sen. Clinton. I had no major concerns of her being elected POTUS. I have always readily admitted, I would vote for McCain, but knew deep down, that Hillary.....would use whatever force necessary to deal with the enemies of this great nation. We all know her message to Iran. Hussein WOULD NOT...He is far left of the Clinton's. He has displayed a great fondness, for multiple I HATE AMERICA individuals. The Hussein camp played dirty with her. They accused anyone supporting her of being RACIST. They directly accused Bill of being RACIST.
Hussein is of very questionable character. He is inexperienced. He is two-faced. He is anti-semite. He is sympathetic to radical Islam. He has a very stron tendency to Marxist ideopogy. He is far more liberal, than most of his supporters...which I'll wager INCLUDES YOU.
Your battle cry is IRAQ. Face it....we are there...we are WINNING....would you rather lose??? It would be almost irreparable to our country. This war MUST be won. John McCain is the right man at the right time. Hussein Obama IS NOT.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:38:32 PM
Your truly sick you know that. When you try a paint McCain and his supporters as wanting to sacrifice American lives just to win the white house you create more partisan walls that your candidate keeps on telling you to destroy. Do you even listen to your candidate, or are you supporting him because you hate the GOP that much?
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 8:42:09 AM
What I hate is seeing our young women and men dieing in iraq. A war cooked up by those you promote. Your candidate is worried about winnig that war while taking his eye off the real enemy in Afganistan and Pakistan just as Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell/Rumsfeld did when they were cooking up the false evidence to fool the world into supporting him. All we hear in defense of the invasion is that sadaam was a bad man and that other intelllegence agencies had the same evidence. Everyone in the world including you mouth-breathers know we should get out of there immediately but for you out of touch G OLD Pers that might mean Mccain might lose. Bottom line the war continuing is essential to Mccain's campaign, to say otherwise would be a flip flop that wouldn't fly with the radical right wingers.the blood is on your hands!
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:10:33 AM
You won't have to worry much longer about the partisan walls coming down. The democratic party is gaining strenght daily and will be in power for a long time to come. with a democratic president and a filibuster proof congress we can move towards taking this country from thr republicans that are a strictly for profit business, A fair health care system for all and help for those who need it will prevail and the tired and out of touch G OLD P will be relegated to 3rd party status. The Consitution will and Human rights will no longer be trampled on as it is by your party. The Republican party had plenty of opportunity to divorce itself from radical Rasists groups and passed it up in favor of getting their votes. They could have divorced themselves from radical religeous group who condemn everyone but themselves to hell. they could have divorced themselves from those who would sacrifice our best and bravest for oil and campaign donations. The G OLD P's opportunities lost are Democrats gains. Barack obama has been the catalyst for gethering those who used to sit and complain instead of standing up. Is he the best there has ever been/ No! Is he the answer to all of our ills? No! Is he everyones Democratic choice/ No! I'm a Hillary supporter. Is he head and sholders above McCain? Yes! Is he more intellegent than McCain? Yes! Is he the right man for the job, right now/ Oh Hell Yes!
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 5:04:51 PM
suckerfisherperson.........as you may remember...I gained quite an admiration, for Sen. Clinton. I had no major concerns of her being elected POTUS. I have always readily admitted, I would vote for McCain, but knew deep down, that Hillary.....would use whatever force necessary to deal with the enemies of this great nation. We all know her message to Iran. Hussein WOULD NOT...He is far left of the Clinton's. He has displayed a great fondness, for multiple I HATE AMERICA individuals. The Hussein camp played dirty with her. They accused anyone supporting her of being RACIST. They directly accused Bill of being RACIST.
Hussein is of very questionable character. He is inexperienced. He is two-faced. He is anti-semite. He is sympathetic to radical Islam. He has a very stron tendency to Marxist ideopogy. He is far more liberal, than most of his supporters...which I'll wager INCLUDES YOU.
Your battle cry is IRAQ. Face it....we are there...we are WINNING....would you rather lose??? It would be almost irreparable to our country. This war MUST be won. John McCain is the right man at the right time. Hussein Obama IS NOT.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:33:58 PM
You seem to love the idea of one party rule....how did that work out in Germany or Russia?
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 2:11:07 AM
You know, you've been posting a lot of websites you hope would waver supporters to Mccain's side, I think it's my turn. I found a video from msnbc that would soften even the toughest of Mccain supporters. If I post it, will you watch it, all of it? It's only 15 minutes but it's really compelling. Here's the site
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25130683>-
Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 2:15:25 AM
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 2:45:26 AM
I watched it. But like Obama supporters say about FOX news I can say the same about MSNBC with Keiths weaving a statement McCain made that was taken out of context later on in the video at times, that statement being the troops being pullted out NOT BEING IMPORTANT. Even though the real meaning behind that was that McCains total focus was first and foremost and making sure Iraq was at a total stable state which at this point it is (albeit lossing 10 soldiers last month and a possible 3 this month is never good to hear, but compared to the past, the surge has worked and is coming to a lull in IRAQ). But I do wonder why the Generals cannot come up with a timeline to start withdrawing. What is the marker to actually say yeah we can start pulling out. It is not McCains decision or Obamas I wouldnt think to go up against the generals stance on when, which I thought was inappropriate of Obama to do as he said he would listen to the generals but he did not. He stuck to the 16 mos timeline which I think he went to Iraq already steadfast on. This way he can say he sticks to 16mos and then when (if) he wins he will say, Oh the generals are saying we need to hold out 7 more mos and I already said I would listen to the generals on the ground. So long story short, I feel safer with a McCain vote vs. an Obama vote at this point. Obama is too liberal. Too many questionalbe people he has had in his life and used to get to where he is. And all tha with no substance (lack of lots of experience or specific accomplishments compared to McCain). Plus being so green he is likely to learn on the job which we cannot afford with all the problems we have in the USA. And lastly, I dont trust him. dont believe that he will come thru. I believe he is in love with the power of being the first black president in history and not in this race to fully support our country in the way a qualified President would be.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 2:57:59 AM
Yeah I agree....Obama thinks he knows more than the Generals, which says a lot about a man that blasted Bush over the same thing.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 3:27:56 AM
Yep, you're right sharenews, cause it's obvious that the first black man to come close to becoming president, is just in love with the power of being the first black president in history, its just typical of a black man coming into power to do that. And just like Martin Luther King his words mean nothing. Just another popular black man who's in love with himself. Like you said, you can't trust the black guy running for president. I just didn't realize you could go so low, sharenews.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 3:53:28 AM
You can always look to the Obama supporters to try and play the race card "anytime anywhere."
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 12:31:17 AM
OMG, Unreal, huh? I cant even mention the word Black, which he is, and it he wins he would be the first Black President if he wins. Ugh. Well racist calling on me wont work cuz I not I am not racist and will not be taken it by white guilt some people think they own to society or something. I am voting for the candidate I feel will get the job done, has a proven solid record of accomplishments and experience and will feel comfortable with taking on the job of the POTUS. Well thanks, Zombie. LOL. Just get frustrated with these Obama supporters sometime. : - )
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:16:00 AM
Sharenews, we all know the man is black, we don't need you to remind us. But, I suppose you get your kicks doing so.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:35:57 AM
Remember it was Obama, himself that reminded all of us, when he said "did I mention he is black."
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 8:00:43 AM
No, I honestly don't remember that particular statement. In any case, because Obama said it that means someone else should keep harping on it? For what reason?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:44:24 PM
Because Obama himself kept bringing it up over and over again. Are you sure you don't remember or are you trying to forget. If Obama would stop saying it, then it would stop being news and people would stop talking about it, but Obama is trying to scare you into voting for him, by trying to insinuate that people won't vote for him because he is black. His problem last week was that McCain's camp called him out on his BS, and after 3 days of backtracking, Axelrod came out and said that yet Obama was talking about race.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 8:02:55 AM
Sharenews, again, we can see he is black. Why do you have to bring this up? I think you like to taunt.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 1:45:34 AM
My main problem with this tactic is that it denies any possibility of communication. Who wants to talk about the problems facing this country if every time you try and talk, the other side goes ad hominum?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:25:00 AM
Z, I defended you from AskPlus who placed you on the same list as sharenews because I know you are not like the others. You do remember what the comments said? If not, go back to Obama Sober Mood and refresh your memory. Oh, take sharenews with you in case she hasn't seen that post. She needs to see it.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 8:24:26 PM
I wrote a big long thing but newsweek ate it....blah.....but essentially, if you want to go ahead and hate because I agree with sharenews on certain things...fine be my guest...in a week you will start to think rationally again and realize that your making a mistake, you did it before. I don't hate you or think less of you for being all buddy buddy with Ask or Alvy.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 8:46:59 PM
Zombie, I do not hate you or anyone else. I like you, always have. You and I are blog buddies, correct? At least, I think so. My problem is not with you and you know it. I don't want you falling in with the wrong crowd because you are different. As for AP and Alvy, they tell it like it is... they know what they are talking about. Of course I don't agree with AP nor Alvy regarding you and I will continue to do so. Forgive me please if I have hurt you in any way. Here is a hug (((Zombiehero))). I will understand if you don't.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:36:20 PM
I don't know why you think I'm such a hater. I don't hate Obama, even though I'm overly aggressive in my posts a lot of the time. I think he is a fine man and hope he has a long bright future. I just don't trust him. I don't like his stances which by the way have changed considerably since the Primaries, so don't try to keep saying that Obama and Clinton have the same stances....Clinton didn't vote for the new FISA bill for one...and is fighting Bushes new attempts to label IUD, Condoms and the Pill as abortion. Where is Barry on that issue? I could vote for Barry though if he had a track record that I could look at and say "yeah I like the what he has done, so I'm confident in what he will do." That's why I'm going to vote for McCain, because I know what he has done and I'm confident in what he will do and how he will govern. How many peices of Bi-Partisan Legislation has Obama passed verses McCain?
Now I really don't need you to judge who and who isn't part of the wrong or right crowd. I personally think most of the other people you blog with are complete morons who fail to have an single independent rational thought in their body. I don't harbor any resentment to you so don't worry bout that. We are cool. But don't get all uppity if I don't agree with you and defend someone against you, because I have and will do the same for you.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 7:22:53 AM
Z, I have never ever said you are 'such a hater' or even 'a hater.' When and where have I ever posted that? I know you are NOT a hater. I just finished explaining myself above and you decide to go off on a tangent. I mean, really????
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:29:32 PM
You insinuate it when you ask if we are still friends, Of course we are
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:47:03 AM
Z, I don't insinuate that. I'm sorry you think that.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:27:05 PM
I am also voting for the man that I think will get the job done and who can move our country back in the right direction and it ain't John McCain.
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/07/2008 12:52:32 PM
Actually, I've seen many of your posts and do know why... I think the better question is what do you base his ability on to accomplish ending the war, bringing in a national health care plan, etc...
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Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/06/2008 8:23:13 PM
Rad... I respect your opinion, as we've debated before... but I am interested to know...regarding your belief that Obama being the best candidate to lead our country... What is that belief based on?
BTW, I did not mention it before... Thanks for your service to our country! It means more than you know.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:19:27 PM
Just like you can look to the McCain supporters saying things like Obama is in love with the power of being the first black president, and then have the balls to try to say Obama supporters are playing the race card.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 8:22:23 PM
Yeah were did I say that? How many times did McCain say that Obama is black? How many times has Obama been th one to point out that he is black?
I've said this before so let be reiterate for you. Playing the race card is a lose-lose situation for BOTH candidates.
McCain isn't going to win over the hearts and minds of any Obama supporters for saying it.
Obama isn't going to win over any McCain people for constantly saying it.
I would go so far to say it will hurt Obama more, if race and the idea of hidden racism is a big issue in the election. But that's my opinion, I know you will disagree.
It's a very partisan issue, but why? Why do Dems think that all GOPers or McCain supporters are really hidden racists that are only afraid of having a black president? That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard of, because your belittling all the accomplishments of the last 40 years since the Civil Rights Movement. Thank about it for a minute with a rational brain.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 12:25:51 AM
OMG, you dont get it. I give up. Well anyway, here is just a sampling of Obamas pompous, arrogant (I am running for President of the world) aura about him.
DEFINITION OF POMPOUS
Main Entry: pomp·ous Pronunciation: \??päm-p??s\ Function: adjective Date: 15th century
1 : excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
2 : having or exhibiting self-importance : arrogant <a pompous politician>
EXAMPLES OF OBAMA POMPOUSNESS
* Created his own presidential campaign seal in the image of the official Presidential seal (altering the words). http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/23/obama-seal-no-more/
* Obama requested to accept the Democratic presidential nomination at a 76,000-seat open-air stadium (a rather dramatic venue) rather than at the site of the Dems national convention location across town where nominations usually are held (holds 20,000 seats). (This moves creates many logistical problems the DNC twill need to deal with as well as raises security challenges). All because he wants to be idolized by people in massive proportions all around him (like Caesar or Nero) in a grandeur atmosphere. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/07/politics/main4236555.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4236555
* Obama requested aides to try to arrange a speech at a second DRAMATIC VENUE: Berlins Brandenburg Gate! The same venue that Ronald Reagan spoke at and JFK made a speech in front of when they were Presidents, not wannabe Presidents.
* Obamas speech in Germany was a whole bunch of pompous clichés. Stuff like IT FALLS TO US TO ACT WITH THE SAME SENSE OF PURPOSE AND PRAGMATISM AS AN EARLIER GENERATION, TO JOIN WITH FRIENDS AND PARTNERS TO LEAD THE WORLD ANEW --wrapped around the conventional wisdom. And that is all there ever has been to Barack Obama: symbolism and grandiloquent speeches.-
Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:15:35 PM
Obama did not request to have his acceptance speech at MileHigh stadium, The DNC made that decision. Obama is not the first presidential nominee to have his acceptance speech at a stadium. John Kennedy's acceptance speech was held at the L.A. Collusium. Yes, Obama is trying to mold his immage into that of John Kennedy. Just as McCain is trying to mold his image into that of Tom Cruise in "Top Gun," the original Maverick.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:21:47 PM
Great reply,
But you have to know by now that sharenews isn't interested in any factual information about Obama unless it is negative. So she will ignore this fact and continue to post her BS!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 7:49:39 AM
Seej, ditto!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:13:58 AM
Sharenews, you need to give it up because you are the one who just does not get it and your hatred for Obama is showing. I was wondering when you would actually let the cat out of the bag about Obama. You have been denying your support for McCain by claiming you were undecided. Wrong, this has been a front the whole time. You never have and you never will 'get it.' I feel pity for you. You are a most calculating person.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 12:39:57 AM
He is pompous and he is in love with idea of power and he is running for the first Black President of the United Sates. You gotta be kidding me , twisting that around to make it sound racist? Ugh. All I can say is obamas examples of pulling the race card surely has been passed down to his supporters as a dirty tactic. It is not going to work on me and even Zombie picked up on you right away. YOU should be the one ashamed.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 1:42:33 AM
Yeah sad huh? That's been the Obama supporters main weapon since the Carolina. Like the boy who cried wolf, it looses it's credibility the more it's played. He ran off the first bunch of race baiters here, now a "new" (not sure they are new, maybe just different screennames) bunch shows up to try and play the same card. It didn't work before and won't work now.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 1:56:19 AM
I meant.... We ran off the first bunch...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:09:50 AM
Z, you didn't run off anybody! I see you like to hang out with the 'nice people' like Scarenews. I know you are much better than this. I've seen it in you. Scarenews is dying of jealousy because her idol Hillary lost. She hates Obama because a black man beat Hillry. Now if it had been a white man who had beat Hillary the win would be legit.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:21:32 PM
That argument is getting old. Yes Hillary lost, but that doesn't mean everyone one of her supporters HAVE to vote and support Obama. Your a prime example of someone that doesn't have to vote the same way every time all the time, you voted GOP the last two elections now your voting Democrat, for what ever reasons, so by attacking Share for supporting McCain over Obama even though she was a Clinton supporter, your only opening up yourself for attack using your own arguments against you. You see what I mean?
Now as for bringing up that its only because Obama is black, again that is old. Obama supporters have been trying to use that ever since February. If you look at how it played out, it doesn't do Obama much good. Remember the Indiana, Ohio, and PA primaries when the accusation of racism were at the highest, did Obama win those Primaries? No he didn't, he won primaries when he and his surrogates didn't accuse Clinton supporters of being closet racist. Moreover, it will cause a backlash among the voters, when anytime someone has the audacity to question Obama, his supporters cry racism. Your only belittling Obama by doing it. He is supposed to be a Transcendental figure isn't he? What's all the talk of hope and change if all his supporters see are racists and bigot because people don't agree on politics? Wasn't Obama supposed to crash down the partisan divide? Yet his supporters, yes even you right now by making those accusation against Share, are building up even more walls to divide the American people, why can't you see it? You don't support McCain, do I or any of his supporters go around saying that your afraid of McCain because he is white? I haven't seen it and I know I have never said it. Yet there is a double standard because you claim he is too old. And people that you blog with go ever farther in attacking and in hypocrisy. So please don't try and admonish me for agreeing with Sharenews. I happen to like Sharenews posts because she provides links to back up her claims. How many Obama supporters do that? I hear a lot of McSame, McBush, McWar and very few links.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 10:35:22 PM
Z, I will reply to your extra long comments tomorrow. I am busy with something very important right now. Just wanted you to know I did see your post. Good night.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 1:03:12 PM
still waiting....
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 4:01:58 PM
I will tonight, I promise.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:24:24 PM
still waiting
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:16:00 AM
And here I am! Z, just don't expect a long one like yours. I don't have your post in front of me to reference to.. wonder why not all posts show in above.
Okay, so. first off. Please bear with me if I forget anything.. it is late. If i forget I will come back and repost.
My Hillary comment to share- because Hillary lost, share posts stuff about Obama that I don't like in retaliation, like her comments about Obama wanting to be president only for power and to be the First Black President. She posted that in upper case too to make sure everyone saw it. I think shes still upset that a black man had the never to beat her Hillary. Duh. If it had been a white man, then, share would have accepted it all by now. She's instigating a race thing and gloating, can't you see that? I sure can and I will call her out next time she does this or anything similar. Z, notice she has not replied to any of my comments to her? She won't because she knows I will wipe the floor with her derriere.
My Bush votes- are we still harping on this? Z, Z, Z, you will lose everytime. This is a whole new election and I have been planning on supporting the Democratic canidate no matter who it would be for 2008 for the last three years. When I signed up on NW I had already planned on supporting Obama. Had he lost I would have supported Hillary even though I did not like her. This is the difference between me and sahrenews. I made my intentions clear from the word go here. Ask any regular Obama supporter or even regular Hillary and McCain supp... they will confirm this. But you do know all this, Z. You feel that because I voted Rep in 2000 and 2004, I'm betraying my party, nope, I feel as if the party has betrayed me.
Obama getting a bad rep- of course! Every day. Hillary did get beat up too but she's not now is she? Obama was also beat up during the primaries by Hillary's camp (notice I didn't say by Hillary, I said camp). Obama continues to get beat up here every day.. much of it is hatred, not vetting. Obama gets double the beating of any candidate that has ever run for president that I know of. And least we forget about Michelle Obama, my, my, the daggers are out for her too. Unbelievable. But, all of this is only my opinion some will say. I say it's the truth.
I hope I didn't leave anything out.. if I did I apologize and I will come back to add what I missed. Thanks. Good night.
PS Z, I saw on the news that Las Vegas got a major downpour, I hope all is well where you are.-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:23:03 AM
No what I said was that by insinuating that Share and other Clinton dems, are not supporting Obama just because she got "beat by a black man," your trying to belittle the argument of all those millions of Hillary supporters that Obama will need to win the election. You know that Obama can only win if the Dems are unified. Instead of trying to reconcile, the majority of Obama supporters hold Clinton Dems in contempt, for not voting by Party not by Candidate. Also by using that argument, you are opening yourself up to criticism.
I've only ever criticized you once for your support of Bush, but lately you have been using my support of Hillary, to browbeat me and other Clinton Dems into supporting Obama. That's not going to quell any fears we might have about Obama, his politics, judgment or character, but only adding yet another log to the fire of doubt.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 7:46:30 AM
Well then that means that Hillary supp. who have stated that they will not support Obama under any circumstances have never supported the Democratic party in the primaries and are not doing it now by supprting McCain.. They supported Hillary personally and this whole thing for Hillary is nothing but a fan club. It's not about her policies which we all know her and Obama share and it's not wanting to vote out a Rep president. Nope, this whole thing is ... what? Please tell me because I am baffled. I know you have said that you personally don't care for Obama because of a couple of his policies and because of his character... I will take the policy reason but the character thing? Is Hillary's reputation any better?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:35:15 AM
Z, Are you really comparing fear of McCain being white to fear of Obama being black? I know what you are saying but this is a terrible example. Sorry. People fear people who look different and we all know it.
Sharenews- again, read a couple of her posts about The First Black President. What are you missing in her comments that I see clearly?
You- I have nothing against you. In fact I respect you the way you respect me even when I hang out as you say with the others. I suppose you are more tolerant than me in this regard because you don't use it against me as I have done to you with sharenews. Can't help that though but I am sorry I did it. When she stops it, I will stop it too. I know you admire/like sharenews because she posts info, fine then. I don't dislike her, I don't even know her personally. I only know what she posts. I read and then I draw my own conclusions. 'Words are the window to the soul.'-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:33:44 AM
Yeah people fear the unknown. Obama is an unknown for a lot of people. I'm just sick and tired of hearing that it's because he is black.
The truth is that if Obama win's he will be the first Black President. I hear it on the news all the time. If you have a problem with that term take it up with CNN, MSNBC, FOX, HNN, ABC, CBS news. I happen to agree with share that Obama's main drive is his ego. Look at his "seal" that lasted all of 2 days, his aides talking about him like he is already President, he has President embroidered on his campaign plane, MSNBC (the Obama News Network) always talking about how "Presidential he looks." and the same time always talking about how old and tired McCain looks. Obama can't and won't admit a mistake. It's always some oversight by and aide or campaign worker. He never heard this, or his aide was the one that was supposed to do this.... to me it all point to Ego. I know you will disagree and that is your right.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 7:37:53 AM
Zombie, everyone knows that if Obama wins he will be the first black president! Why has this become an issue lately? because sharenews posted it two days ago in upper case on purpose.. almost as if she was daring anyone to call her on it.. well I did and will continue to do so. I am not including you in this with her even though you went and did the same thing she did to prove to me that.. what? You back her up with this first black president BS? I hope you noticed that I didn't type mine in upper case. Z, why did you involve yourself in this thing between her and I? Was it because I mentioned that you were defending her? You have the right to defend her till the cows come home. I have the rigt to defend my candidate from posters such as her. Oh, I have a question for you.. the same one Notrepublican asked in one of th comments above... The Hillary supporters who had planned to vote for her in Nov. against any Rep candidate whether McCain, Romney, Huckabee or Giuliani .... Why did you all plan to vote for Hillary? Was it to vote for her personally because you are fans or to vote for her because she is a Democrat? Have you Hillary supp. been satisfied with the way things have been going for the last 7+years under the Bush admins? I doubt it.
Plese do tell me if you can why you and other Hillary supporters supported her. Then explain to me why you can't/won't support Obama who shares practically the same policies with Hillary. Obama=Hillary. Hillary does not=McCain. Any American knows this by now. Read NotReps comments above, he said it. If the reasons are about Obama's character, well then, IMHO, voting McCain would be a hypocritical way to because he is not so clean. His character is not that great. I am not accusing you of not supporting Obama because of his race and you know it. I never have because I know that you are one of the few Hillary supp. who is not like that. Okay, now I think we need to put this to rest. I'm done with it, however feel free to come back if you feel you need to. It is not your fault because you didn't make the comment with the upper case first black president. She started it. If she doesn't want to start these arguments she should watch what she posts but I know she did it on purpose with that particular comment. She was taunting.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 9:27:45 AM
Shary, from 'watching' you all these months, I have come to know from your that there is no one more pompous than you. Like I said before, get over yourself, you're not all that, esp. since you hate Obama because of who he is.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:31:00 AM
NR, I'm glad you have finally met the real, 'scarenews.'
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:18:32 AM
NR, the real name is 'scarenews'. This poster is only here to inject fear about Obama. . Btw, sharenews, you have never and will not scare me. I think you do scare yourself. though.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:03:48 PM
I believe he is in love with the power of being the first black president in history and not in this race to fully support our country in the way a qualified President would be? Why doe he have to be in love with the power of being the first black president? Can't he just be in love with the power of being the next president?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 2:33:44 AM
Come on Keith Olbermann? If I posted a link to Bill O'Rielly, would you take it as fact? Olbermann is a partisan hack who has had numerous instances of lying and giving misinformation for the benefit of Obama, not to mention Jonathan Alter is one of the biggest Obama cheerleaders on Newsweek and MSNBC.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 2:49:20 AM
Thats too funny. That is exactly how I started out with my response below. LOL.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 3:01:08 AM
Are you sure you're not republican, because you sure sound like one.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/06/2008 12:20:09 AM
I am an Independent totally not leaning to vote democrat at this point. I was hoping that Obama would grow on me, but he has blown into such an arrogant, pompous (empty suited) celebrity I would in no way feel comfortable voting for him to taking care of us in the White House. All he is focused on is winning for power and being the first Black President and as proven, he will throw any proposed policy, plan, person, value system and overall beliefs under the bus all for the sake of political gain. Not admirable qualities to me to make up a POTUS. I feel the real Obama is in it for himself, not us fellow citizens. But that is just me, and many mmillions of other voters.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 7:04:04 AM
Sharenews, you know that is a complete and total lie that all Obama is focused on is winning for power and to be the 'first black president.' Well, well, sharenews, finally, the words have came out of your mouth. Thank you for showing us all your true colors. Alvy was right about you as is AskPlus. Alvy has referred to you as 'scarenews.' Ever notice that in his reply to your post? I hope you are aware that AskPlus has placed you on his list of bloggers who make up lies to inject fear about Obama, fear because he is black. You are only here to sabotage Obama. That's all. You are not here to support McCain. I'm not afraid to post this because it is true.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:42:04 AM
I agree. I mean, do you think Obama, who was thought to lose horribly to Hillary Clinton, who didn't expect himself to win in the first place, did all the working, struggling, fighting, and debating his ass off over the past couple months so that by the off chance, if he did become president, he could call himself the first black American president and love himself for it? The hours after long hours of working, traveling, meeting with supporters, and many other responsibilities, day after day, night after night, just so he could call himself the first black president. I mean I don't care who you're talking about, if he's black, hispanic, asain, I don't care. That is a completely vain and horrible thing to say.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 7:18:48 AM
NotRep., Ditto. I hope by now you have come to know sharenews well. It doesn't take very long to.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 3:19:55 AM
I don't know about Share but I am independent now. I'm still center-left but I don't want any part of the DNC so long as Dean, Pelosi, Reid or Obama are part of the leadership.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/05/2008 11:49:34 PM
Does Hussein take $$$money$$$ from big oil???? Well here is the REALITY.....sorry to bust all the hopium addicts bubble...BUT...truth is truth......from NPR and Assoc. Press...about as liberal as it gets................
Here what an Associated Press Fact Check has to say on the issue. It is true, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No one does - it's illegal. It's sort of like Obama saying "I don't rob banks to finance my campaign" - that would be illegal too. But he also does not take money from oil company political action committees (PACs) or lobbyists.
"As of Feb. 29, Obama's presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. And two of OBAMA'S FUNDRAISERS are OIL COMPANY EXECUTIVES: Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co.
The longer this election process goes on, the clearer on thing becomes. Hussein rarely tells the truth...and...He is a crook and a fraud.
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:53:53 PM
4214,000 from oil and gas industry employees is not taking money from Oil companies. Nice spin though.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:55:28 PM
Make that $214,000
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 6:04:46 PM
and since Obama raised over $51 Million in June alone and has raised a total of close to $240 million, $214,000 is a drop in the bucket.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:12:27 AM
That's how all corruption starts, with a drop in the bucket, then more drops and more until the bucket overflows.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 4:07:33 AM
It looks like McCain's bucket has gotten more fuller from oil companies, since he has gotten over a million from them.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 4:18:37 AM
And besides if you read UNHoly's comment it stated that the money came from oil and gas industry employees and their families. If myself or any member of the military gave money to either candidate, does that mean the military is trying to influence the politicians?
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:38:43 PM
Yet companies as an entity can't contribute. So when Obama says that McCain is getting all this money from Oil Companies, that's a lie, McCain is getting money from the Oil Companies workers and executives, which are teh same people Obama is getting the money from. Your trying to have it both ways.....BOTH McCain and Obama get money from oil company employees, so why is it ok for Obama to take that money but if McCain does it, its from "big oil?"
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 12:45:48 AM
You'd think that Obamas camp would have done an extensive background check. Same with McCain as he has shuffled people in and out of his camp more than a few times..
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Obama's Muslim-Outreach Adviser Resigns
By GLENN R. SIMPSON and AMY CHOZICK
August 6, 2008; Page A4
The Muslim-outreach coordinator to the presidential campaign of Barack Obama has resigned amid questions about his involvement in an Islamic investment fund and various Islamic groups.
Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, who was appointed volunteer national coordinator for Muslim American affairs by the Obama campaign on July 26, stepped down Monday after an Internet newsletter wrote about his brief stint on the fund's board, which also included a fundamentalist imam
http://www.newsweek.com/id/150578/output/comments-
Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:42:11 AM
Today the mcCain campaign returned 50K donated by a Jordanian/dominican Citizen. they did so after they were outed by the press.Whoever tok that money in will disappear into the background.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:33:14 PM
No McCain returned the donations that he bundled because McCain wasn't sure if those people knew that they were donating to McCain. There is a clear difference.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 1:10:31 AM
Thanks I already read that, what is interesting is how fast my.barackobama.com scrubbed Asbahi's blog as compared to the "throw the jews in the oven" blog. I'm not saying it's Obama's fault directly, but he needs to get better webmaster.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 08/08/2008 12:49:06 AM
This is the source for excerpt in case anyone wants to read the full article from the Wall Street Journal.:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121797906741214995.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/08/2008 11:01:53 AM
This is what supporters of the McCain campaign are looking for. A man that has perpetuated job losses and accepts foreign campaign contributions, which is illegal, to which McCain is also a co-sponsor of the campaign finance reform law. McCain is a crook. No straight talk comes from a crooked person. He is full of hot air. Youse GOP'ers need to stay on the porch for the upcoming season.
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Posted By: JoanR @ 08/08/2008 9:49:59 AM
Everyone knows how ObamaWeek detests partisanship
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Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/08/2008 9:31:52 AM
Ron Suskind Must be the only real journalist left in this country but I guess its just the "Way of the World"
By Ron Suskind
What just happened? Evidence. A secret that has been judiciously kept for five years just spilled out. All of what follows is new, never reported in any way:
The Iraq Intelligence Chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush -- a man still carrying a $1 million reward for capture, the Jack of Diamonds in Bush's famous deck of wanted men -- has been America's secret source on Iraq. Starting in January of 2003, with Blair and Bush watching, his secret reports began to flow to officials on both sides of the Atlantic, saying that there were no WMD and that Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. The U.S. deep-sixed the intelligence report in February, "resettled" Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during the invasion and then paid him $5 million in what could only be considered hush money.
In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD -- as Habbush had foretold -- the White House ordered the CIA to carry out a deception. The mission: create a handwritten letter, dated July, 2001, from Habbush to Saddam saying that Atta trained in Iraq before the attacks and the Saddam was buying yellow cake for Niger with help from a "small team from the al Qaeda organization."
The mission was carried out, the letter was created, popped up in Baghdad, and roiled the global newcycles in December, 2003 (conning even venerable journalists like Tom Brokaw). The mission is a statutory violation of the charter of the CIA, and amendments added in 1991, prohibiting the CIA from conducting disinformation campaigns on U.S. soil.
So, here we go again: the administration is in full attack mode, calling me names, George Tenet is claiming he doesn't remember any such thing -- just like he couldn't remember "slam dunk" -- and reporters are scratching their heads. Everything in my book is on the record, with many sources. And so, we watch and wait....
There will be more falling by the wayside after this book is read and there may be an impeachment in the works. Wait there already is! This will give it lots of strength. If you are a patriotic American write all of your congressmen/women and senators and ask them what's up with this.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/08/2008 6:54:55 AM
A NEW ad...what the Dem leadership says about Senator McCain................
Daschle says McCain has always worked with Democrats on issues.
Biden calls McCain a friend.
Kerry admires him. Calls him patriotic
Dean modeled his run for the presidency after McCain.
Feingold says he is a great guy!
Obama likes the Lieberman/McCain bill.
And finally Hillary has her say:
Hillary says, I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.
NOW...who can cross lines, and work with congress??? I say take them at their words..............
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 7:45:56 AM
I guess UNHolyRoller didn't see the Obama add that shows the same democrats criticizing McCain. Or maybe he just forgot to mention it.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/08/2008 9:28:56 AM
He also missed the time frame those remarks were made. They were made prior to the time he flipped flopped on the bush tax cut for the rich, affirmative action, off shore drilling, due process and on and on and on. All of those issues he flipped on bought him support and money from the radiacl right wingers that are essential to his campaign. 1.3 million from Big oil and another 1 million from big Oil to the RNC earmarked specifically for the McCain Campaign.
McCain's Campaign slogan should be ...No sacrifice is too great ,whether its the poor, the troops in iraq or the environment , to achieve my own ambition.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:11:12 AM
Alright, I'm back, and I'm ready to kick some ass. I've looked over the comments through newsweeek and found some of the most important subjects(at least discussed) and here's what I got.
Hillary voters( why should I vote for Obama?)
We'll. Hillary supporters, I've mentioned this before, and I'll mention this again. You voted for Hillary for a reason, to not have another Republican in office, to put a Clinton in office.(since the last Clinton in office did a good job) I know Obama isn't a Clinton, but as you heard in the primaries, Clinton and Obama share much to the same views and goals. If Obama's ever going to go to anyone for advice, it's going to be the Clintons. They've been through presidential elections before, they've won presidential elections before. The Clintons will be Obama's biggest friends and biggest allies in this race. Now, I'm not saying all Hillary voters "have" to vote for Obama. But any Hillary supporter who thinks Mccain is closer to a Clinton, to Hillary, than Obama is, is utterly insane.
Next we turn to experience. You say Obama is too inexperienced to be president yet Mccain is. (Yet the first point I want to point out, is neither candidate has experience being
president). George Bush also had "experience" before he came into office, yet he's run our country to ***. We had a surplus going into 2000, yet now, we are nearing a recession, millions of people are going bankrupt and losing their homes and businesses, over 4,000 soldiers have died in an unnecessary war( and unwinnable war), and so much more. Even the most "experienced" leader can run a country into the toilet. So clearly, experience doesn't define a good president. I mean, isn't it better to have an inexperienced president with the right idea, than an experienced president with the wrong idea.
Next we have the Reverand Wright issue. You say you're all scared of Obama because of his association with Reverand Wright. I have plenty of stupid friends who've I've been friends with for years and years, but it doesn't mean I share their ideas or opinions, or have become stupid or crazy by hanging out with them. I mean that's just stupid. I mean who hasn't had a stupid friend or one that was just a little off their rocker, I mean really.
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:17:32 PM
Guess what? Your not running for POTUS!!!!! Left that lil important fact out of your post.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 7:50:14 AM
He didn't have to mention it, but because you right-wingers get confused easily I guess he should have put it it for you.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/08/2008 12:38:15 AM
This is excellent. Thank you.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:38:05 AM
Good post
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Posted By: benluclar @ 08/07/2008 8:50:45 AM
The point I find interesting here is that the media is glamorizing the way "handlers" of candidates are actually using their brains (gee, that's a new one!) to make their candidate look good in the eyes of voters.
What makes me mad is that, as a voter, I am part of the millions who these idiots actually think they are "HANDLING"!
The MINDLESS are not the voters, people, they are the people running this circus.
One of my pet peeves is anyone who tries in vain to "handle' my way of thinking and maneuver my judgement in contrast to my own logic.-
Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:30:10 AM
The problem with the media is with whom they are. Take a look at the line ups on CNN, MSNBC and Fox, they are all politicos with backgrounds in politics. Don't confuse that with political science though, these are people who have worked on campaigns and hold themselves in the highest esteem. they are enchanted by every word coming out of their own mouths.
nothing could prove this point better than the way they treated Tim Russert. I thought he would be lying in State in the Capitol's Rotunda before they were finished. Bottom line is they're just a bunch of talking heads with a message to deliver. That goes for all of them.-
Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:16:05 PM
Well lets not leave out unbiased reporters whos legs shake when Obama speaks. LMAO What a tool!!!!!!
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:43:01 AM
Or the unbiased reporters who cream their pants when McCain speaks either
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:11:42 PM
Like Mccain doesn't have any biased shows running for him? Hello, Fox, Rush Limbaugh, the Oreilly show. There's always been republican shows and there's always been democratic shows. I mean, it's not new or anything. Also, how can you get mad at people trying to influence your opinion. I understand, if it's like a Jehovah witness or something who keeps bugging you or knocking on your door. But these are comments, you can choose to read them or not. You can't get mad at us for expressing our own opinions.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:05:33 AM
I have to disagree with you, not all are politicos with political background. Keith Olberman was a sportscaster before going on MSNBC.
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Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/07/2008 9:56:56 AM
I tottaly agree with that important point.
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/07/2008 10:26:12 AM
Barry. You can't just stand there. Detached. Aloof. Cerebral. Passive. Remote. Distant. Bland. Americans want to see a far greater emotional range from you. They want to know what you would be like if this great land is attacked again. Would you get angry and promise retaliation or would you remain stoic and promise more funding for the Peace Corps.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 3:26:42 AM
I don't think you could classify Obama as bland. You may not agree with his policies, but he is a great speaker and has sown a quick wit.
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 1:11:53 PM
How can a man who despises American power protect us?
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 4:38:29 PM
Obama doesn't despise America's power, he believes that great power must be used more responsibly
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Posted By: benluclar @ 08/07/2008 8:59:39 AM
Oh my God, I just threw up on that one! Surely you are not this mindless. Surely you cannot be a reflection of a sane and logical human being.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:37:31 AM
And you are a reflection of a sane human being?
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 7:02:43 PM
Holly Roller. You have been a real prophet these last few months. What part of Obama's mask will fall next?
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 8:17:46 PM
BikerChick mentioned some of his problems below. The most dangerous being Tony Rezko. Anyone who thinks the Rezko deal is over, is very naive. Sentencing is in Sept. Tony faces basically a life sentence with no chance of parole......now this is where it gets good.
Rezko could have remained free on bond, until Sept. Instead he chose to go directly from the courtroom to prison. WHY??? He is a dual-citizen with Syria. He has billionaire connections. He has "friends". Most individuals of his character, would have attempted to flee to Syria. He could have done so most likely. He chose not to??? WHY??? The most likely answer is this....he would have been murdered. He has the goods on the entire Chicago machine, of which Obama is quite prominent. Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, is of the Rudy G. mold. It is his plan to destroy the entire group of crooks and thugs...incl.,...Obama, Gov. Blagojevich, Emil Jones, and others. Hussein Obama mounted and on his mantle would be quite an achievement.
Rezko is most likely already co-operating. It's either freedom, family, and safety in the Federal Witness Protection Program....or....die in prison. Not good options.
As for others...Hussein has so many weaknesses, we have only seen the beginning. The assaults to reveal his true nature, will be unending and very effective. The Kerry Swiftboats will look like little rubber duckies. He has a very near 0% chance of being POTUS.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:35:04 AM
Actually UNHolyRoller the maximum sentance Rezko faces is 20 years, not life in prison without parole.
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 10:18:48 PM
Thanks Holly Roller. The stars are aligning nicely. Put FL in McCains column. There is no way that the Cuban and Jewish community will let this pro-Castro, anti-Israel thug get elected. What do you think are his chances in Mi, OH, and PA?
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:18:02 AM
Name one anti-Israeli comment or one pro-castro comment that Obama has made.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 2:51:50 AM
Yet one of Mccain's supporters just said to throw the Jews in the oven. hmmm
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 3:29:07 AM
Get your facts straight, an Obama supporter said that on his barakobama.com blog....there is a nice link to a screen cap because it took barakobama.com 2 days to take that trash down. Your fellow Obama supporters are the ones talking that trash....obviously you haven't taken my advice and taken a reading comprehension class.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:14:27 PM
Again,
If somehow you and your fellow McCain supporters plan to try to spin this to be a reflection on Obama then both Clinton and McCain have a hell of a lot to be ashamed of and to apologize for. I don't even need to leave the Newsweek site to provide proof of that.-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:55:54 PM
Your right, both parties have thins that they need to be ashamed of. I will definitely concede that there are a lot of people that are not voting for Obama because he is black. Also at the same time there are a lot of people that are voting for him just because he is black not because of policy. Both in my eyes are wrong and equally bigoted.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:11:58 PM
Z didn't say that he pasted that stupid comment by a blogger on Obama's website. Again, I have never understood why anyone whould take so seriously the comments and views of the any candidates's supporters, myself included. The only comments, views etc that matter to me are those of the candidates.
I read and respond to the blogs and comments but in the big picture they do not represent the view and opinions of the candidates unless I hear or read, from a verifiable source, the same comments from the candidates themselves.-
Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:22:12 PM
It might shock you but I agree it isn't Obama's fault that his supporters are nuts. The only fault is his campaigns two day lapse.
The main reason why I posted that was to help point out that a lot of Obama supporters, you not being one of them, are trying to insinuate that the only reason someone won't vote for Obama is because they are secretly a racist that fears a black man in power. I have said and will keep saying that, that argument is flawed and completely insane. Now did you see me say that all Obama supporters are anti-semites because one crazy supporter is? No, and I would expect the same courtesy from the Obama people, but you and I know that won't happen. Look at notrepublican response, it was completely partisan because he just "assumed" that I was saying it, without reading the whole post. He just assumed that I was anti-semetic and above was trying to label McCain supporters as being anti-semetic. It's completely absurd and is only going to hurt Obama in the long run via a Bradley Effect, I think which will only keep fueling the fires.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:18:13 AM
josemarti is a mouth-breathing G OLD Per. Let me get this straight...The Florida Jews are going to align themselves with the Hate Party. The party that depends on and covets the readers and followers of the Turner diaries, the party that openly solicits the KKK, Skin Heads and Neo-Nazis. That'll be the day.
As far as Florida goes, it's going to be a close one. The newly registered Obama voters, the amount of African American turnout and the reconciliation of Clinton supporters like myself will decide this one. We do have a large amount of Cuban american voters in Dade and Broward counties, but don't underestimate their intellegence. Many will vote for Obama. For the first time in history, there are more Hispanic registered voters in Florida than Republicans. Florida is a very close state that is leaning McCain right now, but Hillary and Barack are coming and may swing the state their way. I always thought that Florida would play a key role in this election but now the 27 electoral votes will just make the rout of McCain a little worse. Obama has it locked up and his Electoral count will be at least 322 to McCains218. It's a done deal.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:16:52 AM
Yep, this is going to blow up just like the Larry Sinclair story did, blow up in your face that is.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 10:19:32 PM
This is Partisanship at it's worse!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/aljefferson
"Throw the jews in the oven this november. its the only way we can free america and make sure barack obama is elected!"
Here is the screen grab....
http://www.liberalrapture.com/uploaded_images/obama-blog-724773.jpg
It is sad that it took the site 2 days to take the post down-
Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 2:49:58 AM
What the hell, throw the Jews in the oven. What the hell is wrong with you. Are you just sick and prejudice on the internet, or in real life too. You say your not prejudice or anything, but to say a statement like that, well, somethings wrong with you...you need help.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 3:27:20 AM
Can you read? That post was from a page on barackobama.com. Do you think I'm going to have a page on barackobama.com?
This was from an Obama supporter not me, which goes to show how much hatred is in the Obama supporter camp. What is despicable is that it took barackobama.com 2 days to take that trash off their website.
Please learn to read for once.-
Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:11:07 AM
actually it was my.barackobama.com. barackobama.com is the official website for Barack Obama, not some nutjob anti-semite.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:13:53 AM
oops, I just went and saw it, it was on Obama's website, but it was a blog from some nutjob.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:23:39 AM
My only concern is why it took 2 days for that blog to be scrubbed? barakobama.com scrubbed Massen Asbahi's blog in a matter of minutes.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/08/2008 12:18:35 AM
my.barackobama.com is part of barackobama.com, both use same campaign funds to operate.
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Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:27:45 AM
I'm Sorry, I'm tired, I didn't read the whole thing, that was a mistake on my part.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:46:52 PM
Ok we are cool.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 9:41:07 AM
Here's one worth checking out Google Zombie Hero is a skin head.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/07/2008 9:57:26 PM
Stop trying to insinuate it just come out and say it already. You aren't going to hurt my feelings.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:07:12 PM
So now it is Obama's fault for some stupid racist thing that a blogger wrote? In that case McCain and Clinton have a hell of a lot to apologize for!
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 3:59:35 PM
Hey looney liberals...what's up with all this????...........................
The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is releasing the photograph that the world has been waiting for ??? the first-ever picture of John Edwards and his love child!
The stunning ???spy photo??? shows the former presidential contender holding his infant daughter Frances Quinn Hunter at the Beverly Hilton hotel in Los Angeles ??? where the ENQUIRER caught him visiting the baby???s mother, his mistress Rielle Hunter.
Edwards is holding his love child while standing in front of a distinctive striped curtain.
The same window covering hangs in each one of the hotel???s guest rooms ??? and is clearly visible in photos of guest rooms on the hotel???s Web site.
???These photos are damning proof,??? said a source close to the situation.
???He???s been caught lying about his affair with Rielle and their love child for many months ??? and now the proof against him is piling up.
???His elaborate coverup is unraveling at the seams.???
PICK UP A COPY AT YOUR GROCER.....guess VP possibility is out of question. Wonder how much alimony Elizabeth will get. I told ya'll...HE IS NO MORE THAN AN AMBULENCE CHASER......
Rumor is National Enquirer is also talking to Larry Sinclair. Wonder what that is about.???
Enquiring Minds Want To Know....
NOBAMA!!!-
Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 4:35:52 PM
What does John Edwards have to do with the price of tea in China?
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 6:39:50 PM
The Edwards story dovetails very nicely with the Obama story. They are both deceitful. Obama is working hard to convince the American people that he is a centrist. He is in fact in the anti-Israel, terrorists suffer from a lack of empathy, anti-military, the Rosenbergs were innocent, , formerly pro-Sandinista, we need more Government, must guarantee equal outcomes not equal opportunity, America is the white man's empire (see 277 of his autobiography) left wing of the Democratic Party.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:22:17 AM
blah blah blah Obama blah blah hates jews blah blah McCain rules blah blah. Sorry I was just pasting your last remark.
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 4:03:29 PM
I missed that. It must have followed the story of the TWO-HEADED RAYMOND BURR BABY!
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Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 4:09:42 PM
You never see the Republicans in many stories like that. I know they're old but...oh yeah, I forgot Foley with the pedophile thing, wonder what he's doing these days...and then Larry Craig with the bowed legs problem..ugh! Could you think of anyplace worse to have sex than in a urine smelling public bathroom? What was the big news again? John Edwards cheats on his wife?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 10:48:04 AM
Lol!
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/06/2008 4:26:08 PM
Absolutely Fabulous comeback Bass LOL!. Just Great! Holy is our own little Enquirer Tabloid.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 3:06:55 PM
There is a link to an article from a soldier about Obama snubbing soldiers in Afghanistan being posted on all of the Newsweek sites;.
Link to that "LETTER" http://www.osamaforobama08.com/articles/soldiersletter.html
Well that soldier has since recanted and has stated that the information in his letter was wrong and was intended for his family ONLY. Basically he lied!
Link to entire article including the soldier's request that his letter be deleted from the internet:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp-
Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/07/2008 4:08:54 PM
Oh he said I lied. But I only wanted to lie to my family? Wonder how much money this joker got from the Obama money machine
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/08/2008 12:01:34 AM
The site on snopes proves that this email was false. He also had to recant his story because as a military officer he is prohibited from having his affiliation to the Army on political material. He also said it was for his family because if it was proven that he had sent a mass email out, he would be in trouble for violating the regualtion as well.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 4:22:38 PM
Wow According to you and others on these boards Obama is the most popular and powerful man in the word. Wow now I wonder why Obama would even bother with the Presidency, since he already has all of the power and money?
To answer your comment: YES. OBAMA PAID THIS U.S SOLDIER TO LIE, IN FACT OBAMA HAS A WHOLE GROUP OF MILITARY PERSONNEL ON HIS PAYROLL LOL!
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Posted By: josemarti @ 08/07/2008 5:46:53 PM
Let us use our imagination. America has been attacked again. President Obama is addressing the nation. "My fellow Americans this morning a group of desperate, unempathic men attacked our country. This attack although it could not be prevented was expected. Eight years of the Bush mis-administration has directly caused much anger and resentment towards the United States throughout the world. I will workd hard over the next four years to reverse the anger and desperation that these young men felt. This is the same anger and desperation that many of our children in the inner city feel. I am sending my Secretary of State Joseph Biden on a special mission to the Middle East. He will probably produce a few good laughts in our enemies and leave them better disposed towards us. God da....bless America.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/07/2008 11:54:39 PM
We don't have to imagine what Bush did after we were attacked. He used 9/11 to not only attack Al Qaeda, the people responsible for the attack, but he also used it as a way to invade Iraq by playing on the fears of the U.S. citizens.
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