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  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/07/2008 3:50:38 PM

    The thread continues due to the fact that these hack ''reporters''make it so easy. From Gergen and Dionne,to Herbert and Clift, Milbank and Robinson, we now have SLATE Magazines[web] Timothy Noah,another of these species of Obamaite who now proclaims that the use of the word ''skinny'', in political circles,is a code-word for ''black'' and is thus a racist term. HOTAIR,always on the lookout for such inanity as posited by the increaingly deranged Fourth Estate Obama Cheerleading Squad,immediately put up a vintage SLATE article in early 2008 critiquing GOP candidate Mike Huckabee for being too ''skinny'' as well as pointing out that the Evil Racist Professional Golf Assn. needed to be taken to the diversity woodshed for daring to comment on the recuperating Tiger Woods for being ''too thin'' after a bout with sickness recently.

    www.slate.com


    ''You're too skinny''

    From the autobiography of Lt. Audie Murphy [Americas most decorated soldier] commenting on a Marine recruiters statement to him from ''To Hell And Back''. 1955.

    • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 8:31:52 PM

      Okay, whats your point. Besides the fact that it's negative and insultive along with the fact that your statements seem almost unreal. I mean you're overall argument is just repeating other Mccain supporters. Can't you come up with anything new besides race and hot air.

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 4:01:44 PM

      Those who listen to Slate are condemned to repeat him!

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 3:07:53 PM

    Hey Harley, Who's ole Rusbo's latest mouth-breather, "spirited away"? He makes josemarti look like Albert Einstein!

    • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 5:43:45 PM

      For the record, I never listen to Rush.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 5:05:33 PM

    I'm out!

    • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/06/2008 7:24:35 PM

      Hey Bass.... I haven't had time to catch up with everyone's posts... but I left you a couple from several days ago, I think at the Obama Sober Site? So did Pia Zia.... I hope your read them! Sky

      • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/06/2008 8:40:15 PM

        If not, get your butt over there and do so! lol!

        - Sky

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/06/2008 8:50:33 PM

          Well, Cielo and where is your derriere lately?

          • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/07/2008 8:28:07 AM

            How can I say this.... hhmmmm. Non è dove mi piacerebbe che fosse, dolce Pia! ... ; )

  • Posted By: saxxon_domela @ 08/02/2008 6:29:26 PM

    I morn for the loss of the John McCain we used to know. The one with some honor and courage. Now we have a shell of a man dragged around by his handlers to be their sock puppet. The old John McCain would never have allowed an ad as racist as the Spears/Hilton ad to be shown. John, if you're still in there somewhere, please come out and go to work. We're all tired of your handlers speaking for you. You used to talk straight, now you're left to agree with slurs made by your handlers. John, this is really really sad.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 12:43:23 AM


      My response to Posted By: saxxon_domela @ 08/02/2008 6:29:26 PM

      Saxxon_domela,

      You said that the Spears/Hilton ad that was released a few days back was a racist ad? How so? Could you please explain?

      To me, the Britney/Paris ad was an ad that was focused on promoting what has become a pure love fest by the media and supporters with Obama; to the point that they cannot get enough of him. This is also the case for the two celebrities they picked to portray in the ad. Although they probably got two messages to radiate out of that ad by using Spears/Hilton, with the other message being that these two celebrities also feed off of the adulation they get from their fans and the MainStreamMedia like you know who. LOL.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 7:34:24 AM

        IMHO, what McCain and camp did was tasteless. I hope the Hiltons decide not to support him. I wonder how McCain would be feeling right now had that been his daughter.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/04/2008 4:55:19 PM

          Hi P,

          Which daughter would that be Megan or the "The One Who Should Not Be Seen"? LOL!

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 10:56:17 PM

            Hi Seej,

            I hear ya. Do you mean the one from his first marriage whom we have never seen nor read about? Unbelievable.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/07/2008 1:38:55 PM

              No actually I menat their adopted daughter, I believe that she is Indian? I have seen photos of their sons and Megan but not this daughter except on a documentary about Cindy McCain a few months ago and even that was too quick to see her face, she was in a pool with other people. But never during the campaign.

    • Posted By: garnetgal11 @ 08/03/2008 12:38:37 AM

      You may think that John McCain is a saint, but he is far from that, altho he did spend five years in a prison camp, others were fighting the enemy face to face, they are the true heroes, his wife waited for him all that time and when he returned, he divorced her and married a much younger (and richer) woman. You don't hear too much about that from the media. Also, that he was mixed up with the Savings & Loan scandel during Reagans Pres. and recently was mixed up in a lobbyists contracting for new AirForce planes costing billions, that went overseas, with his help. Boeing is still contesting the way that was handled. Why does the media find every little fault with Obama but hardly mentions all of the shady deals McCain has been involved in????

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/03/2008 7:15:19 PM

        Ditto! I have posted about McCain cheating on his crippled wife a few times lately. I was shouted out everyttime because McCain supporters think he could do no wrong and he's off limits. Obama can get beat up daily, but McCain can't.

        • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/04/2008 6:46:57 PM

          I wonder if it was ok for JFK to cheat? Can you say happy birthday Mr President.......

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 10:54:37 PM

            Sportie, no it was not okay. It was wrong too! I don't admire JFK nor Marylin Monroe.

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 08/03/2008 8:44:11 PM

          I really don't get you Pia. At least McCain "cheated" on his wife with the oppisite sex. Your man cheated with another MAN, but thats ok right? NO ONE is perfect, and your silly little maggot is far worse than McCain or any other person who has EVER ran for POTUS. Every single thing you proclaimed about your man 4 months ago, he has flip flopped on now. Yet you blindly follow along. It is OBVIOUS you are a Hussein plant on these blogs.
          Sorry, I call em the way I see em...

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/03/2008 10:02:32 PM

            PS, H, I can't believe you said that I am a plant. You know I'm not. You and I have blogged together and I defended you from a certain blogger. I think you're saying this to me because you are hurting now. Because you are hurting, you feel that you have to hurt someone in return. I am sorry.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/03/2008 9:57:04 PM

            Hello Huachuca. I left you a personall post on another article last week when I found out. I am heartfully sorry. I hope you are doing okay right now.

            Regarding my comments about McCain, first, there is no credible evidence that Obama cheated on his wife with another man. Second, H, are you saying that because McCain cheated with another woman it's fine? If there was proof that Obama did what he has been accused of, then I would be condemning him too. Third, come on H, you're not being nice to me, why are you being like this? I try to be tolerant with you, why can't you be the same with me? I have already been beat this week as it is . Enough please, thanks.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/07/2008 1:35:52 PM

    Pia & Sky, My sincere apologies, I was fishing at Lake Istokpoga an hours drive above Lake Okeechobee since last Friday. We're waiting here in Florida for Hillary to visit and hope Barack comes with her. The State is leaning McCain right now and we hope it will swing our way after some reconciliation is accomplished. Usually Florida is essential to winning the General Election, but that doesn't seem so this year. Barack will win the Electoral Vote battle by a large margin and if he wins Florida it willl be more of a rout than expected. Every Poll has Barack with at least 300 Electoral Votes. I have broken down the Red, Light Red, Blue, Light Blue and the toss up states using the polls in the toss ups to award the leader those votes. I make it 322 for Senator Obama and 216 for Senator McCain. It could be a larger total for Barack. The unknown here in Florida and I'm sure a few other states is the tremendous response to Barack's registration campaign. One example here is that Democrat Hispanic Voters now out number Republicans in the state. If they go to the polls coupled with the huge African american vote Barack can win here. Just a little aside, I was in Outdoor World saturday before last and passed a guy wearing the same Veterans for Obama button that I was. His lady had a rectangular button with Obama for president on it.

    I'm not disputing the Florida polls but I'm sure they don't reflect the increased registrations or the potential large turnout. who would have ever believed that Georgia and Texas of all places would be light red instead of solid red. I'm pretty sure McCain will win both of them but it sends a message that we're sick and tired of the corrupt Republican Machine. 4 years ago it was the Dems. who were whining about public financing.

    WHO'S CRYING NOW?

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/07/2008 12:16:59 PM

    "They want to know what you would be like if this great land is attacked again."

    In all likelihood, America would order the equipment to fight back from China and after it was delivered go to war, or we could fight it with hummers so it would last a long time and provide a handsome profit to the likes of Halliburton KBR, Black water. And the stockholders.

    This Administration and America has failed in 7 years to bring OBL to justice, incompetently fighting a war in Iraq instead, but Iraq had oil and Afghanistan had none.

    But the problem is much greater then that, WWII was won in 4 years.
    It was the manufacturing might and the skills of the American people that accomplished that feat, and we have lost both.
    This administration tried to fight two wars with little more than a lot of hummers, the vehicle that replaced the jeep.
    It took 5 years to design and deliver an IED resistant vehicle to Iraq a vehicle that has yet to be delivered to Afghanistan; they are now being built in South Africa and should be delivered some time after the first of the year.

    America has been sold down the river by the Republicans, lots of rhetoric but no brains.

  • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 12:47:23 AM

    Hi Pia, responded to you below. ttyl :o)

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/07/2008 10:09:48 AM

      Hello T, read it..... thanks for filling me in on PPH. I wasn't aware of any of it.

  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/07/2008 4:13:00 AM

    Another top issue is flip-flopping. It's a term used on both sides. Many people on Newsweek say they're scared of Obama flip-flopping. Yet, if you paid any attention, You'd notice that Senator Mccain has made many flip-flops himself. I mean, he's gone from pro life, to pro choice, from against Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, to for Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, and many more.<http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html>. As for offshore drilling, Obama didn't flip-flop, he said he was open to the idea if it was part of a bigger energy plan. Is being open to an idea seriously that bad? But overall, when you really think about it, who's never changed their ideas, who can say they've never changed or reversed their ideas even once?

    The next issue is National Security. You say you trust Senator Mccain to protect this country. Yet over the past couple days he's been slammed by Paris Hilton's mom, even Paris Hilton herself recently. If Mccain can't even protect himself from an old women, from Paris Hilton and her mother for Christ's sake, how can you expect him to protect the rest of the country.

    Lastly, there is the issue of Iraq and Obama listening to the generals on the ground. You say you don't trust Obama because he won't listen to the generals and instead implement his 16 month timetable no matter what they say. Yet even senator Mccain, the person who
    got the enemy factions confused, was corrected, than said the same mistake again, complemented Obama's 16 month timetable. I mean, we may not be on the same page here, but if even senator Mccain complements the timetable, than isn't that a good plan, isn't that a good timetable. I mean, that's what I believe anyway.

    Well there you go, I hope you enjoy it, thanks for taking your time to read it.

  • Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 08/03/2008 7:54:44 PM

    You bet Obama is unlike any of the other candidates, but the negatives are not because of race, so forget the race-card nonsense!

    Senator McCain has the cahunas to call Obama's bluff, although, few people have challenged Obama on the race card because they are concerned with being called, "Racist."

    Obama is the biggest racist you will see on the public stage. This man attends a white-racist church for twenty years, and has the audacity to pull the race card on Imus, Geraldine Ferraro, the Clintons, and now he is pulling the race card on Senator McCain.

    • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/03/2008 10:05:47 PM

      What its racist because it's a black church. Sometimes racist is used when it shouldn't be. But you, my friend, sound like a racist. If you could back your claims about Obama's church being racist, I wouldn't comment about race. But someone who makes statements about other minorities woth no evidence to back it, is racist.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/03/2008 11:01:07 PM

        The sermons that e.g. Reverend Wright has made in the past are threaed with racism injections at times. Like the last sermon I heard where he says those famous words, GDA and adds: GDA . . . the land of the KKK rantings.

        • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/04/2008 1:35:59 AM

          What about mccains reverand that says quote "the war in Iraq is gods and the christian faiths war to exterminate all Muslims and destroy the anti-god Islam religion". Maybe you should stop paying attention to Obama and focus on your own candidate. You know, the one your supporting thatit seems like you're not paying any attention to.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 1:49:24 AM

            I dont care about researching McCain in depth, at least not yet, nor do I plan to respond to firing back support for him in the blogs all the time so dont hold your breath. . McCain will be my lesser of the two evils to vote for if I like his VP better than Obamas pick for VP. I really wish that would happen in the next few weeks. But Id like to know who said that ? You say it was McCains reverend. Was his church pastor or someone he seeked out for getting him to endorse him and then found out he was controversial. What was the Reverends name. Im thinking it might have been the latter and not his regular church pastor.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 7:27:03 AM

              Sharenews, surely you jest? You know who the reverends are. Hagee and Parsley. There may even be another one or two floating around. Let's see here, Parsley has accused the US gov. of killing 1500 black babies a day through abortions. Nice pastor, huh?

              • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/04/2008 1:10:37 PM

                Hi Pia, hope your doing well. About Parsley.....he was referring to Planned Parenthood. This organization is guilty of racism and they even perform abortions on VERY young girls. Rod Parsley is the pastor of one of our countries most racially diverse churches and he simply spoke the UNCENSORED truth. He was calling out Planned Parenthood on their actions. I hope this organization is held accountable. I'm not saying I'm anti-choice. I'm actually pro-choice. (Does that surprise you, I wonder?) I just have very strong feelings when it comes to Planned Parenthood and I commend Parsley for addressing it loudly.

                P.S. Hagee's a screecher not a preacher. I've never liked the man. YUCK

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 9:48:22 PM

                  Hi T, how are you and the kids? All well I hope. I know how HR is, I 'see' him here daily, lol!

                  Parsley- I saw a film clip about him on a syndicated television network last winter. That is where he mentioned the 1,500 babies. He actually agreed with a guest(I forget who/what this man was) who commented that the US gov. is responsible for the abortions. I suppose he meant because abortion is legal. You being pro-choice- no, I'm not surprised. As for Planned Parenthood, I had no idea the organization was guilty of racism and illegal behavior.

                  Whats new with you? Any new BE makeup? I picked up a blusher.

                  Hagee- yes, a screecher. I have heard him a couple of times and that was enough.

                  • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/07/2008 12:44:32 AM

                    Hey P. Planned parenthood is sickening to me. They're known for doing abortions on very young girls. Some of these girls even admitted to sexual abuse and the parents nor the authorities were contacted. That in itself is a crime. I actually used to support Planned Parenthood, but no longer. On a lighter note, the kids are doing great! Faith starts school tomorrow. I already miss her.
                    P.S. I switched to feather light mineral veil and I love it! :o)

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 7:24:33 AM

            NR, what about McCain's reverend(s)? The anti-Obama bloggers here do not care about his reverand. You see, according to them, McCain is off limits, and he could do no wrong. Obama is the one who gets the daily beatings here. Btw, many anti-Obama bloggers are bitter Hillary supporters. They are def. Democrats.

        • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/04/2008 1:38:32 AM

          Also, the church isn't racist than, the one reverand is racist. One reverand in a church cannot be the symbol of the entire church. It's like George Bush being the symbol of the entire Republican party...and you don't want that do you?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/04/2008 2:12:40 AM


            This guy (Wright) was not just Obamas Reverend, he was the man that implanted his spiritual beliefs ng mentored by him for over 20 years. He was also his friend and considered him to be an uncle This man had to have had a great impact on Obama whether you want to believe it or not, especially given he did not have a father to lean on for understanding this world and how he fit into it. What kind of thinking did Rev Wright put into his head?.

            The there is Father Pfleger, another spiritual advisor of Obamas whom he has been friends with for many years after being introduced to by the current Reverend who took over the Sr. Pastor role when Rev. Wright retired). Another scary guy. . . . .

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUMunBYVKSo

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 7:28:44 AM

              Like I told you before sharenews, Youtube is good only for music videos, lol! You still watching this garbage?

              • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/04/2008 12:59:04 PM

                So you believe what you hear but not what you see? WOW usually it's the opposite isn't it? Nice thing about youtube. I understand why you hate youtube so much. Hard to dispute a video with he proof right infront of your face.Whats next Pia? That's an Obama impersonater???? LMAO

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 1:21:39 PM

                  Sportlock, what is this 'beat on Pia' week, again? I had enough of it a week ago by a certain crazed poster. No, no one you know.
                  Look, Sportie, I don't watch Youtube for anything political. Many of the videos are faux. I only go there for the music while I'm at work.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 1:41:38 PM

                    PS Sportlock, laugh all you want now. I'll be laughing at you come Nov. when your candidate, John McCain loses. Can you say, 'sweet revenge?'

                    • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/04/2008 3:42:52 PM

                      Well Pia I will apologize in advance now for not being too upset if that is the case. I for believe that either candidate is a better option then we have now. Obama is to me, the lesser of the 2 candidates because we have nothing substancial as far as history goes on Obama to gauge how effective he can be as a leader of this nation. Sure, hope and change is good to collect votes, but what happens when you no longer need them? Heres your answer hun, politics as usual.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 4:05:31 PM

                        Well, Sportlock, I must say, I agree with you about either candidate being a better option than what we have now. I disagree on Obama being the lesser of the two. Btw, I like the new Sportlock. Okay, later....


                        Obama 08!

          • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/04/2008 12:04:49 PM

            The problem with your statement is that to a Democrat, Bush is the face of the Republican party. If you disagree with this statement then I will be watching for you to reply to every post linking McCains presidency to the Bush Cheney years. McBush , right?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 7:19:48 AM

            Excellent comments, Notrepublican. You really drove it home. Everyone knows that Trinity Church has a member congregation of over 8000, including whites.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/07/2008 12:35:56 AM



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  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 10:16:13 PM

    Here is an article that I now will PO Barry supporters. How long will it take for them question the integrity of this poll?

    In the latest Rasmussen Report, John McCain has tripled his previous lead over Obama on the topic of immigration. Two weeks ago, McCain held a three percentage point lead over Obama and this report shows McCain ahead in the public's trust by 45 percent to 36 percent. 19 percent of respondents said not sure.

    McCain's biggest advantage over Obama is on the Iraq war, where McCain enjoys a double digit lead of 12 percent with Obama receiving 39 percent and McCain holding 51 percent. 10 percent of respondents said not sure.

    John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate has also pulled ahead of Barack Obama in the area of balancing the federal budget, a topic the candidates were tied on with 40 percent two weeks ago, and today McCain holds a three percentage point advantage with 43 to 40 percent for Obama. 17 percent not sure.

    The issues that Barack Obama held a wide lead on two weeks ago has shown his leads decreasing.

    Two weeks ago on health care, Obama enjoyed a 12 percentage point lead and now he leads with 5 percentage points, 46 percent to 41 percent for McCain.

    Same with education, Obama previously had a 10 percentage point lead, which has now decreased to a 4 point lead, 43 to 39 percent.

    The two presumptive presidential candidates are tied at 45 percent on the topic of the economy, Obama held a one percent lead last week.

    Barack Obama holds an 8 percent lead on environmental issues, with 48 to 40 percent and 12 percent stating they aren't sure.

    In another poll released this week it showed that over half the respondents support Obama???s proposal to provide working families with energy credits, while not being sure about his plan to tax big oil companies, yet when voters were asked who they trust more on energy issues, they chose John McCain by a 46 percent to 42 percent margin.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_trust_for_mccain_on_key_issues_growing

    Feel free to attack the Rasmussen if you don't like the results.

  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 2:45:19 AM

    Plus, hello, fox news, Rush Limbaugh. I mean, they frieken worship Mccain. They're some of the biggest cheerleaders( of Mccain) on the air for Christs sake. At least most of MSNBC news aren't completely biased and tell utter lies almost constantly.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/05/2008 12:30:38 PM

      Yes, they do worship McCain now, but remember they were against him in the beggining of the primaries. Sean Hannity almost cried when Romney dropped out of the race.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:47:33 PM

        The fact that Hannity, Rush and Coulter hated McCain before he won the nomination is all the more reason to like McCain.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 3:10:44 AM

      Worship McCain? really? Funny since Rush and those at Fox vilified McCain for his opposition to Bush in 2004-2007. If anything they are worried about what kind of Change Obama will bring. Maybe McCain has an easier time unifying his base that Obama does.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/05/2008 12:33:02 PM

        Z, if McCain has an easier time unitying the base as you claim , why then is it that the Reps didn't like him nor want him at the start of the primaries? At the end of the primaries, Sean Hannity was having crying jags over Romney losing.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 11:22:40 PM

          I said maybe, not that he has....like you said above, a lot of GOP were angry that McCain won the nomination, but looking at McCain's polling and how close he is, suggests that he is uniting the GOP either with him or against Obama, just like Obama is trying to unite the Dem against Bush via McCain. If the Right was not rallying around McCain then McCain's polling would be in the low 20-30s but it's not. So the question is why is McCain running so close to Obama, in what should have been a landslide for the Dems? I think its because the GOP is rallying around McCain, plus add in all those Democrats that don't trust Obama at all.
          If you look at the new Gallop and Rasmussen polls, McCain has made huge gains in likely voters as opposed to the daily tracking with is maybe voters, even those are close well withing the margin of error...so its still too early but it's good news for McCain.

      • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 3:41:20 AM

        So Mccains base is unified because he has shows that are biased and support him. Yeah, that makes total sense.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 3:47:49 AM

          Obvious you missed the point.

          • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 4:17:27 AM

            You're right, I'm sorry I can't read your mind. It is an ability I lack, just as you lack common sense.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 4:29:00 AM

              More personal attacks....I know your frustrated so don't worry I won't hold a grudge.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 11:41:22 AM

    The Republicans would plunge an Oil drill ithrough every grave in Arlington National Cemetary if they thought they could make a buck out of it! Any party that would willingly send our Brave Soldiers to die in a war that they cooked up would not be beneath anything. Vote for McCain and Vote to Kill Soldiers for false purposes.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:43:57 PM

      I don't know how low you can go but I'm sure you will think of something.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 08/04/2008 7:46:01 PM

    So Obama switches his point of view on off shore drilling, well thats a surprise. Its too bad he can't get Ms Nabsy Pelosi to act mature and somewhat like a law maker. The Democrats absurd behavior last friday by not even allowing a vote on off shore drilling should cost them dearly at election time. The party of the common people has left them high and dry. These actions only highlight their lack of concern for the working poor. So why would anyone give them their vote? The media in their attempt to control this election would not even write or discuss last friday's Democrat Stupity, I would think they would be ashamed of supporting a party that just doe not care about you or me.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/04/2008 8:59:54 PM

      Both the GOP and Democrats are morally bankrupt, they don't care about the "people," they only care about reelection. Pelosi will never be voted out because of her district. What should be called in question is why the Dems picked her for Majority Leader to begin with. It seems the biggest criteria for Majority Leader in both the House and Senate was how much do they publically hate Bush, the more the hate, the higher their "leadership qualification."
      The Dems don't care, they aren't the "Party of the People." The American people are center-right, the Dems have progressively moved farther Left and the GOP have moved farther Right. What we need is a new third Party of Moderates, like the new Gang of 10 trying to pass Energy Legislation, they are actually working to get things done. The levels of Partisanship in Congress is sickening.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 10:57:49 PM

        Z, excellent comments, I agree.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/04/2008 11:05:27 PM

          Of course you know I was hoping the Hilary would build and lead my version of a Moderate Party, but oh well we all can dream right?

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 11:24:23 PM

            Of course I know that. You were hoping this for her during the primaries. I have not forgotten that. I admire your loyalty. Speaking of that, Z, do you think I'm a plant from the Obama camp? Huachuca posted that to me here last night. I was in shock to read it. I thought him and I had a good rapport. I even defended him from A a few times.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:37:54 PM

              I hadn't read any post by H in a long time...what board was it on?

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/06/2008 4:14:08 PM

              Hi P,

              Don't let it get to you just brush it off. Hope you are having a great day

      • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/04/2008 10:15:27 PM

        Wait, the Dems aren't the party of the people yet the Rep's are. Who started the Iraq war, the republicans, who put our economy in the toilet causing millions of people to go bankrupt and lose their jobs, the republicans, who lifted regualtions allpwing for the mortgage crisis to occur, the republicans. I think I remember the last time a Dem was in the oval office, he did a good job. Oh and by the way, Obama didn't flop on offshore drilling, he said he was open to it if it was a part of a bigger energy plan. It's not like offshore drilling is going to help much anyway. At most, the price of oil will drop maybe 20-25 cents for one year, than start rising again. It will not solve our energy crisis whatsoever.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/04/2008 10:46:13 PM

          Ok where did I say that the GOP were the part of the people? Umm no where, if you read the fine print. I said BOTH the GOP and Democrats were bankrupt. Both are to blame for the problems that this country is in. BOTH the GOP and the Democrats are what's wrong with this country, that's why we need a third option and not some option that's farther Left (Green) or more Right.

          Yes Clinton did a good job, which is why I wanted another Clinton in office. But even Bill was attacked from the Left for having the audacity to work with the Right, which is partisanship at its worse.

          Yes Obama did flip, right into McCain's Energy plan. I'm sure you haven't read it, how could you read anything so vile as the opposition's position on policy, that would be *gasp* open minded of you. You'd be called a GOP plant for sure just thinking of doing research on the other guy. Read McCain's Lexington Project, and you'll see the plan Obama will flop to come November. Here I'll just copy the bold points for you:
          Expanding Domestic Oil And Natural Gas Exploration And Production
          Taking Action Now To Break Our Dependency On Foreign Oil By Reforming Our Transportation Sector
          Investing In Clean, Alternative Sources Of Energy
          Protecting Our Environment And Addressing Climate Change: A Sound Energy Strategy Must Include A Solid Environmental Foundation
          Promoting Energy Efficiency.
          Addressing Speculative Pricing Of Oil

          Go ahead be open minded and read the whole thing here: http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

          • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 1:19:31 AM

            What you don't even make sense, do you even listen to yourself. I never even mentioned the GOP. How can you be blindly blaming the Democrats for the problems in the U.S. over the last eight years. It was the republicans that were in charge, idiot. Or did you forget George Bush was Republican. If anyone's to blame, it's the republicans that have been running the government, and this country over the past 8 years. Although I do agree that Bill did a good job. I have a bumper sticker that says Bill Clinton screwed his secretary, George Bush screwed his country. But if any candidate is going to follow Clinton's policies and get advice from the Clinton's it's going to be Obama. Just because he ran against her, doesn't mean he's against her. I mean he supported most to all of Hillary Clinton's policies, and vice-versa. If you want a Clinton in the oval office, Obama going to be the closest you can get. Compared to Mccain, Obama and Hillary are almost brother and sister, that's how close they are.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 2:14:01 AM

              Well the majority (democrats) and Congress as a whole really have been so useless to us citizens in trying to get anything passed to make a difference. H*ll, their ratings by us US citizens is at an all new low of 9% last I looked. Worse than Bush. And then, of all things, what did they do in the middle of the energy crisis we are trying to get figured out? They all go on recess (called VACATION) for 5 weeks. At least MCcain jumped on that one today and pleaded with Congress to come back to Washington to get this whole energy crisis straightend out. Every day, never mind 5 weeks count. Congress is useless.

            • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 1:51:20 AM

              Ha ha your really lame, so when you say "republicans" you don't mean the GOP? Apparently you need to take some reading comprehension classes because I am blaming both parties...is that concept to hard to understand? Here much simpler for you.... Democrats = Bad = Republicans.
              Really you say I don't make sense, if what you write makes sense to you, then I guess most journal, commentaries and news articles are hard for you to grasp too.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/05/2008 9:19:33 PM



    According to TIME magazine

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html?cnn=yes

    John McCain's sole idea to "drill here and drill now" won't produce oil until the year 2030, and then it will only be 200,000 barrels per day. In comparison, the government estimates that if everyone made sure their car tires were fully inflated, we could start to reduce our oil consumption by 800,000 barrels per day, right now.

    Extend your inflated PAIN with your vote for McCain



    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 11:46:22 PM


      You say John McCains sole idea(??) to drill here and drill now. Huh? You obviously are very uninformed.

      JOHN MCCAINs LEXINGTON PROJECT



      * Expanding Domestic Oil And Natural Gas Exploration And Production

      * Taking Action Now To Break Our Dependency On Foreign Oil By Reforming Our Transportation Sector

      * Investing In Clean, Alternative Sources Of Energy

      * Protecting Our Environment And Addressing Climate Change: A Sound Energy

      * Strategy Must Include A Solid Environmental Foundation

      * Promoting Energy Efficiency.

      *Addressing Speculative Pricing Of Oil


      DETAILS about John McCains Energy Plan:

      http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

      By the time the General Election comes around I would not be surprised if OBAMA duplicates the majority of McCains energy plan and call it his own.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 6:58:27 PM

        Lets take a look at McCain on these issues that he is now proposing.

        *Expand Domesti oil and natural gas exploration and production. Bill to allow natural gas exploration and drilling off the coast of Virginia, 6-14-07. McCain, No vote

        * Taking action now to breat our dependancy on foreign oil by reforming our transportation sector. Bill to reduce dependance of foreign oil by 40% by 2025. Mcain voted NO.

        * Investing in clean alternative energy sources. Bill for Alternative energy subsidies 6-21-07, McCain, No vote.

        * Protecting the enviroment and addressing climate change. Bill to raise required clean energy sold by electric companies to 20% by 2030. McCain, No vote

        * strategy must include a solid Envtionmental foundation. Bill on carbon emissions cap and trade plan 6-6-08. McCain, No vote

        * promoting energy efficiency. Securing Amercas Future energy bill to raise CAFE standards to an average of 35 MPG 4-25-03. McCain voted No

        Addressing speculative pricing of oil. I have not found any data on this proposal.

        Actions speak louder than words.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/06/2008 9:24:12 PM

          Cheney Energy Plan 2005
          Obama: Yes
          McCain: No
          Actions speak louder than words

      • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 08/06/2008 11:03:15 AM



        Sole means only his idea not his only idea.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 5:03:56 PM

    sjpersonal; All that's said about HolyRoller is correct and then some but he has a qualities that many of his fellow G OLD Pers don't have. 1. He's consistant in his unrelenting remarks aimed at Obama's supporters in an effort to piss us off and he's often sucessful. 2. He doesn't beat around the bush, like josemarti others that deny being mcCain supporters. 3. He's often funny. 4. He doesn't try to defend Bush/Cheney, he's focused on Obama.

    I had a guy who worked for me just like him for years and everyone cleared out of the breakroom when we arrived for the days head to head. I enjoyed it and appreciated the fact that he was helping me make my point. Corn-holey-roller is harmless because his rhetoric is narrowly framed and inane, in a funny sort of way. Obama couldn't find a better advocate than HolyRoller.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/06/2008 6:22:25 PM

      Hi Bass,

      Have to admit it, I never looked at holy in that way, as an asset to Obama. Often times I do find myself laughing at his posts instead of becoming angry as I often do with the others who enjoy spreading their BS.

      Great Reply, thanks and I hope your day is going well.

  • Posted By: MartinCarmel @ 08/04/2008 10:54:12 PM

    The issue of nasty campaigning does not really matter. A big issue that the American public.....and not the media....is STILL talking about is Obama's connections. Around most of America, east coast, west coast and midwest....this man is being viewed as a scam....the most extreme left wing candidate we have ever had to this point....but with a nice smile. The media is trying HARD to slant this election with their love-fest of Obama, putting him on more magazine covers than John McCain by a long shot.

    The reality most Americans really talk about? Obama's "close 20 year relationship" with a bigot named Reverend Wright. That is what is STILL being discussed at the water cooler by Americans every day more and more. And that reverend???s "close relationship" with one of America's biggest racists, Louis Farrakhan, who was given a lifetime achievement award by Obama's church. (hello?). Birds of a Feather, folks. Most of America is starting to figure it out. Especially Hillary fans and Jewish voters.

    Remember, this is the SAME nation that re-elected an unpopular George Bush only 3 1/2 years ago during an unpopular war. Also remember that John Kerry led Bush 51-44 in July....and he lost. - And guess what folks. It is now at only 46-44....the Obama Fever Gap is wearing off fast.
    Translation? John McCain will win this election.

    • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/05/2008 12:51:45 AM

      One, it's not talked about every day, only brought up by Mccain supporters trying to scare people into voting Republican like they did in the last two elections. It's only the Mccain supporters that bring it up. And by the way, I'm Jewish, and I vote Obama all the way. Just because you're around someone and listen to someone doesn't mean you share their ideas. I have plenty of stupid friends and I don't share their ideas. And how do you know how Jewish people are going to vote, I live in a Jewish family and they're all for Obama so don't assume how any minority or type of people will vote. That all Jews are Republicans. Seriously, where do you get off. If you don't remember, or ever read a history book, you would know that most all Jews work hard to be smart and educated. Which means they'll vote for Obama. Because if you didn't notice, the majority of all the smart and college educated people support and vote Obama. That tells you a lot doesn't it.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/05/2008 1:15:57 AM

        No doubt who the Rosenbergs would have voted for.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/06/2008 5:38:44 PM

          Since the Rosenbergs were Jewish and all of your right wingers claim Obama is an anti-semite, then by that logic, they would vote for McCain.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 2:02:42 AM

          Ha ha ha.....too funny

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/05/2008 2:08:57 AM

        Then where do you get off assuming that all Hillary supporters should automatically, without question support Obama. In case you didn't get the memo, Mr Post-Partisan has failed to unify the Democratic base...Where's the Landslide in the polls?
        Your being to presumptuous thinking that anyone who is educated will have to vote for Obama. Where is your majority? The majority of Democrats, yes but the majority of the American Public....where is your data? Where are your polls or proof? Do you have any or are you full of hot air?

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 1:31:28 AM


      OBAMAS RELATIONSHIPS STEMMING FROM HIS DIRECTORSHIP OF THE WOODS FUND

      1. William (Bill) Ayers - An admittedly unapologetic terrorist that Obama worked with on the Board of Directors for 8 years and associated with on a personal level outside of work with Michelle.

      2. Bernadine Dohrn (admittedly unapologetic terrorist, wife of Bill Ayers; she and Bill hosted fundraiser for Obama; Dohrn worked with Michelle in the same Law Firm )

      3. Woods Funds Investments (associations with radical anti
      -Israel organizations.):

      Source: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-problematic-directorship-woods.html

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

      Then there is this guy . . . even Obama admitted he did not have good judgment associating with this felon in jail now.

      ANTOIN (TONY) REZKO -CONVICTED FELON WAS MORE THAN FUNDRAISER FOR OBAMA. HE WAS ALSO A FRIEND OF THE OBAMAS.

      1. Obama explains his TONY Rezko relationship to Sun-Times
      http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/844634,obamasun031508.article


      2. Obama admits involvement with Rezko was a MISJUDGMENT; a BONE-HEADED MISTAKE:

      http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4111483

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

      Then there is this guy that Obama has known for years and who earlier this year made a firy sermon about ranting about Hillary Clinton with anger and rage. Video below. The sermon resulted in the Archbishop of Chicago putting Father Pfleger on leave after his mocking of Hillary Clinton became a national news story.
      Father Pfleger is on leave from his church: http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/obama-friend-father-pfleger-placed-on-leave/

      (Continued below in the Reply area)

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/05/2008 1:33:02 AM


        (Continued from my post up above)

        FATHER PFLEGER - Friend for years, another spiritual advisor

        Here is another friend and another spiritual advisor, Father Pfleger, whom Mr. Obama. was introduced to years ago by the current Senior pastor, Rev. Otis of the TUCC (OBs former church) and has remained friends with over the years. Well at least up until recently since this video of Pfleger speaking at Obamas now former church was released for the media to air:

        http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Pfleger&search_type=

        Truth be known, Pfleger has a very troubling history: he has welcomed the anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan to preach in his church; he has hired prostitutes to worship there; he has been arrested for defacing billboards; and he once urged the crowd at an anti-gun rally to hunt down a gun store owner like a rat and snuff him.

        http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15380

        * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

        Well, I guess if Obama supporters like to continually discredit a war hero, should be no problem sharing with people on this board the pattern of unsavory people have known to get to where he is now. Lets start with . . .

        REVEREND WRIGHT (Friend, adopted Uncle, Pastor, Spiritual Mentor for over 20 years):
        Obama waited 4 to 6 weeks before he put the Rev. Wright controversy to bed (and everyone knows it took three of those angry and hateful sermons by Rev. Wright after being exposed to the public before Obama gradually denounced Wrights words, then disowned himself of Rev. Wright, and finally disassociated himself altogether from his church, a church he was so closely associated with for 20+ years under the ministry of
        Reverend Wright.

        Obamas former church website if anyone wants to check it out. www.tucc.org

        Foundation of the Trinity United Church of Christ is its belief in Black Liberation Theology http://atheism.about.com/od/theology/a/lib_black.htm

        Reverend Wright, Obamas Spiritual Mentor, also presented his
        Churchs TRUMPETER AWARD to a MAN it said TRULY EPITOMIZED GREATNESS, Louis Farrakhan
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html

        Newer consolidated video of Rev. Wrights Anti-American sermons filled with hate and anger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ&feature=related

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/04/2008 11:14:22 AM

    Just for the moment let???s try to do a rational overview and put the venom aside, stop the unproductive name calling, the irrational accusations, and all of the BS. In the name of objectivity let us try to check biases, prejudices and emotional attachments at least long enough to do an honest, maybe meaningful, maybe not, evaluation. First we will give credit to both candidates as being honest, sincere and (somewhat) altruistic, because if we don???t, then we won???t get anywhere.
    We know John McCain has a long history and what does it tell us? All of his experience, even while notably without any business or leadership experience, has been creditable; a Navy pilot, a heroic prisoner of war and a long term US Senator. As a Senator he hasn???t distinguished himself with any issues of real major importance yet he is respected and has consistently been accommodating. Even now he has not only strongly and fully backed the Bush-Cheney policies but he has also stated he intends to continue them. So with McCain we know we will simply get more of the same, with that being more of the Bush-Cheney policies and more of Washington as usual.
    Looking at Barack Obama we know his experience, also without any leadership or business experience, has been of a much shorter duration. Obama???s notable credit is in his working directly with people and in organizing community services, plus a few years in political office as a State Senator and then as a US Senator. In his shorter career there again are no achievements of real major importance. One impressive credit for Obama is found in his current campaign, in his organizational skills and what he has accomplished. What Obama advocates is that we desperately need change, change from Bush-Cheney and change from Washington as usual.
    Now both candidates would say that I???ve missed and minimized a lot but that was intentional and thought to be fairly done because we don???t want to argue or be defensive over the trivial. To summarize it seems the choice is basically between: John McCain with the promise, strongly supported by his history and statements, for more of the same; or otherwise Barack Obama with the opportunity (no guarantee) for focus on change, supported by his statements, a short impressive start and a good grasp of things. That seems to say that, with our biases, prejudices and irrational emotions checked; if we like what Bush-Cheney have done/are doing, then vote for the continuation with John McCain; if however we feel the country really needs change, then we need to vote for Barack Obama. Personally I think all of the rest is just distraction with a lot of it being intentionally so.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/04/2008 11:20:19 AM

      This is a really insightful and direct post, I agree %100, thank you

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 11:30:15 AM

        I second.

        Hello Seej. How are you?

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/04/2008 4:43:47 PM

          Hi P,

          I'm well, had a wonderfully peaceful weekend. Just me and my 2 fur babies, Zada & Cezar. How are you, hope you are in good spirits.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/04/2008 9:38:56 PM

            I'm well Sej, thanks, little tired. Peaceful weekends are good. Mine was peaceful too.

            Your pups names are so pretty. What breed are they?

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/06/2008 4:23:19 PM

              Hi P,

              Cezar is a pure Brindle Pit Bull and Zada is a Pit Mixed Breed. I could not imagine my life without them, regardless of how stressful my day has been there are these two souls that absolutely love me unconditionally. Basically I like animals more than humans, no deceit.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/04/2008 9:40:22 PM

      I have to disagree. This is partisanship at its worse, your not really voting FOR Obama but Against Bush. That would be like lumping Obama as just another Carter, just another Clinton, or just another Woodrow Wilson.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/06/2008 2:31:45 PM

    Dear Holly Roller: Could you comment on the resignation of Obama's liason to the Muslim community as reported by the WSJ last night. What do you make of it? It seems to me that this is potentially very damaging.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 3:28:25 PM

      I have just found out about it. It is more evidence that Hussein is AT BEST a radical Islam sympathizer. Even more telling is the fact, he received $33,000 in 2007 from a couple of brothers in the GAZA STRIP. This is illegal. The Hussein when alerted to the impropriety, refunded MOST of the money...BUT FAILED...to report it to the Federal Election Board. Due to a TECHNICAL PROBLEM....Sure.

      They refunded the remainder last week....after they got caught. Wonder how much more is there???

      NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 2:45:25 PM

      How would that be damaging/ Why ask corn holey roller to do your dirty work. Even a mouth-breathing soldier killer like yourself should have the guts to say what you mean instead of doing a dance.

      • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/06/2008 3:09:26 PM

        I don't believe you are as concerned about our soldiers well being as you pretend, here.

        • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 3:12:56 PM

          If that comment was made by anyone who had a heart, I'd care. You fit well into the group of G OLD Pers.

  • Posted By: Bass Pro @ 08/06/2008 12:40:25 PM

    Corn Holey Roller, The CRP report you refer to is correct. Obama has accepted donations from Oil Company people. He's received a little over 300K and McCain has received 1.3 million and the RNC has received another 1 million earmarked for McCain's campaign.the reprot was based on figures supplied by the Federal Elections Campaign Commitee. So how is Obama hiding this if he's reported these donations to the commitee? You claim that Obama is in Big oils pocket but Oil compaign donations make up less than 1% of his donations. McCain's oil donations however make up more than 10% of his money. Who's in whose pocket?

    Mouth-Breathers like you should never give up your source of information to those who may have the ability to read.

    You say the picture is becoming clearer to you as the election process wears on. i couldn't agree more. On Saturday, i was in Outdoor World in Dania beach Florida and passed a couple who both had Obama Buttons on. The guy had the same Veteran's for Obama Button on that I did and his lady had a Hillary Clinton Support for Obama on. It's becoming clear that Obama will beat mcCain by more than the 200 electoral votes predicted.

    I'm wondering why a rat like yourself hasn't deserted yet. Are you just hanging on because McCain is a fellow mouth-breather or because he makes even an idiot like you look smart.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 3:22:27 PM

      Who VOTED FOR and who VOTED AGAINST, the so-called Cheney Energy Bill, that gave huge tax-subsidies to big oil????.....

      You know the answer HUSSEIN-YES...........Mc CAIN-NO....because he was AGAINST the tax subsidy

      Your messiah is a crook and a fraud.

      NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/06/2008 3:19:27 PM

      And two of OBAMA'S FUNDRAISERS are OIL COMPANY EXECUTIVES: Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co.

      NOBAMA!!!

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