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  • Posted By: goodwillhunting22@hotmail.com @ 08/06/2008 5:29:01 PM

    Being from the Eastern Ky area, just across the border from Wise, Va, I wanted to just point out that you guys are missing the point of the argument. I'm not rich, I've never had money, I never come from money. My daddy was self educated and went into the army, My mother worked minimum wage jobs all her life. Everything we have is a result of the fruits of their labor. As a person from that area I can tell you first hand that there are some poor people who truly need the help. Those are the people that aren't in line getting the help, they are at home trying to make it with what they have. If you read the comment from Daplane that went to work in the coal fields in 1977 ( see comment below) what he says is true. I knew numerous people who would take advantage of anything the system would offer because they didn't want to work. You can call it being underpriviledged or that they didn't know any better, lack of education or whatever. What it comes down to there are people who can work, who spend thier days doing whatever they want to do and we pay them to do it. Our good ol' welfare, social security checks are going to people who are well enough to hunt, fish, fix thier house, work outside at spare jobs for under the table money. Understand that no one begrudges anyone who truly needs help the means or charity to get it. I am upset that perfectly capable people are out there living off of those who work hard. Doesn't it make anyone else upset that you work hard at your jobs, 40+ hours to provide for your family. There are days that you want to stay home and be with your kids, or go spend time with your spouse but you go to work becuase you have bills and a responsibility to take care of yourself. That is the argument that I want to make ist hat thise Doctors W/In Borders is all great but most of the people that come there can take care of themselves but choose not to. They would rather spend thier money on thier wants instead of their needs. You are paying for those who are too lazy to work. This is not about the government stepping in and giving more health care to the poor. It's about getting those undeserving people off of welfare so that the one's who truly need it can get the help they deserve.

  • Posted By: MFK6 @ 08/05/2008 3:10:19 PM

    Even Mexico has a national healthcare system - so why doesn't America? Probably because the special interests (pharmaceutical companies, big corporation hospital/medical services, etc.)have worked our Congress over to not pass National Healthcare. We as a nation are one of the few industrialized nations without national healthcare. Some nation's plans are better than others. The one outstanding thing is that no one individual has to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills in other industrialized countries. It is shameful the way that our government treats the average American. What do you get for your Federal tax money? Nothing. In other countries Centralized taxes pay for healthcare, higher education and other valuable things to the individual. In this country our Federal taxes pay for helping out the biggest money makers in the nation, giving Congressmen and their friends special project funds and wars that we don't even want. It's time for America to have a healthcare benefit for all Americans. Remember - even Mexico has a national healthcare system.

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 08/06/2008 4:50:32 PM

      The real problem is the fact that most of your insurance companies are owned by politicians and most have stock or are promised jobs with the pharm companies when they leave politics. Not to mention that many have children working for both industries, would you put them out of business?

    • Posted By: rpearlston @ 08/05/2008 4:29:11 PM

      I am disabled by three different types of arthritis, one of them inflammatory. Yet, I see a rheumatologist who is one of the world's best in managing this type of arthritis. On an annual basis, one of my meds costs more than my income for two months. Combined, all of my meds, on an annual basis, probably cost more than my annual income. I had an emergency tooth extraction five weeks ago, and am currently in the middle of root canal on another tooth.

      Yet, I haven't and won't hve to declare bankruptcy. I don't live in abject poverty but in the middle of a city, in a safe area, with public transportaion less than a block away, and I eat a nutritious and proper diet.

      How can all of this be possible? It's because I live in a country that is more than sufficiently civilized to understand, accept, and act on the concept that all of it's residents have a right to minimal health care and that those who can't afford them still need meds and dental care, still need a safe place to live, and still need to be able to get around.

      Universal health care is what allows this, and availble in Canada, as well as in many other countries.

    • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 3:22:22 PM

      I agree with your comments MFK6 - When they are old they don't worry about losing their home in their old age.

  • Posted By: ieadie @ 08/05/2008 3:14:59 PM

    You just need to read these posts to see a microcausm of everything that is wrong with this country. Basically most of you don't give a sh*t about anyone but yourselves. I read comments like "what about alcoholism, drug abuse" SO WHAT!! Alcoholics and drug abusers need help too. You people who don't give a dam; sit in your cozy living rooms and pray that you never find yourselves in a bad situation. You are everything that is WRONG with America. Personally, I have had enough of reading these heartless messages, I'm going back to dealing with civilized people.

    • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/05/2008 3:18:33 PM

      Your "civilized" people can keep milking the system while us "neanderthals" keep paying for it. Why should I take care of people that don't have enough sense to take care of themselves. If I give an alcoholic or druggie money to go to the doctor you think that's what they'll spend it on?

      People need to get their priorities in order, that isn't my job.

      • Posted By: baybluv @ 08/06/2008 4:45:14 PM

        I'll just say, you know where you've been BUT you don't know what tomorrow has in store for you. GOD forbid you get sick and have to depend on others, maybe then you can learn what the true meaning of compassion is. You are a selfish and sick person.

      • Posted By: dusty1207 @ 08/05/2008 3:26:20 PM

        Actually, as one of those people who mentioned alcholism and drug addiction who are selfish, I also volunteer my time giving career counseling to homeless families and at local Women's Resource Centers. Sometimes honesty is the kindest gift.

        • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/05/2008 3:33:07 PM

          Exactly, but you are not obligated to do so! There is a big difference

  • Posted By: HennyPenny @ 08/05/2008 3:32:46 PM

    Goodwillhunting22, I grew up in Southwest, VA and I can attest to the fact that this is a cultural problem, not an economic or political one. A good education is not valued here. I remember my history teacher showing us filmstrips every day instead of teaching. The vice principal used to wear t-shirts and chew tobacco during class. But these people don't live in a vacuum. They know that a better quality of life is out there. Many of them simply choose the path of least resistance--staying put and relying on the kindness of strangers. The ones who get educated leave. If you are willing to work hard you can take advantage of the abundant opportunities of this country.

    • Posted By: Shelley37860 @ 08/05/2008 4:07:53 PM

      You're a jackass. As someone who lives 40 minutes from Knoxville, I see first hand the effects of poverty in East Tennessee. A lot of these people have been poor and with nothing for generations. Where is anybody going to work? Factories in my town have been shut left and right and there is no where to go to work. I cannot believe that you or any other ignorant poster begrudges these people health care. You obviously have money and health care or you would not be making such an outrageous statement. You act as if the money to treat the people comes out your pocket when the services by the physicians are donated and the supplies are provided for by donations from churches and individuals. You better pray that you are not in their situation one day. Karma's a bitch.

      • Posted By: goodwillhunting22@hotmail.com @ 08/06/2008 3:52:22 PM

        Nope shelly, I am just like you, I make less than 30,00 ay ear. I grew up out in the country. My daddy was a self educated man, my mother worked in hotels cleaning rooms to bring us up. the one thing they taught us was that you get nothing for free. Work hard for what you want and don't take any hand outs. So no I'm not so rich person who sits around hating poor people. I'm saying I grew up in that area and I know that there are alot of capable people there who choose not to better themselves becuase its easier to get a check than to work.

    • Posted By: Appalachiagirl @ 08/05/2008 4:29:44 PM

      I also grew up in Southwest Virginia and I have experienced this event first-hand as a news reporter. Yes there are people that scam the system. But before you judge the people who attend this event and receive healthcare, you should be a witness or live just one day in their shoes. Most recipients are very hardworking, intelligent HUMAN BEINGS who are products of generational poverty. They want a better life, but don't know how to get there. There are no jobs to speak of and there certainly isn't the quality educational system that many demand and expect in other areas of our nation. These people wait in line for hours in 90 degree heat to get a tooth pulled along with thousands of other people. No one who is truly "scamming" the system would do this. Most are in pain and have been for a long time. But they have no other options. I believe that universal health care and educational opportunities will help to change the future of this region. It will take time, money, and leadership. Southwest Virginia is a beautiful place with kind-hearted, decent individuals who often neglect their own healthcare needs to make ends meet.

  • Posted By: ohsuzanna @ 08/06/2008 3:31:41 PM

    Hey FATJOEY,

    Poor spelling could be just another word for lazy

  • Posted By: ohsuzanna @ 08/06/2008 3:31:10 PM

    Hey FATJOEY ---poor spelling could be another word for lazy too

  • Posted By: saxey5 @ 08/06/2008 3:10:11 PM

    One of the problems, is that some people can afford medical attention when needed, but prefer to go to these RAM groups to get their medical or dental done so they can spend their money on other things that they want, not need. This takes services away from those that truly need it and this is sad. I know of some that go and have told me I shouold go because it is free, but I would rather pay than take away from a child or senior that can not afford to pay.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 08/06/2008 1:56:24 PM

    remember your jury duty when you awarded someone $30million over a simple mistake? well now you know why health care costs so much!!

  • Posted By: hkm80 @ 08/06/2008 12:53:40 PM

    My mom volunteers for this program every time it is in Wise, where I am from. I can tell you, the majority of the people who are helped are NOT lazy, just underpriviledged. I think this is a wonderful thing being offered to people who need help and care.

    • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 08/06/2008 1:54:12 PM

      underprivlidged is just another word for lazy

  • Posted By: isis5632 @ 08/06/2008 1:15:47 PM

    The system is messed up because insurance covers the real const of services and doctors are so scared of being sued they order every test in the world. Example, bowlegs run in my family..my nephew went for his 12 month check up and ended up being sent for wrist.knee xrays (600$+) plus calcium and vitamin d work up (300+$) to test for rickets. Everything came back normal. When my son went in for this 12 month check up, my doctor recommended a cod liver oil supplement and to check back in 3 months to see if he had outgrown it. He did. Before we talk about universal care, we have to address the way health care is administered or we will be declaring bankruptcy as a country

  • Posted By: Show A Little Kindness @ 08/05/2008 5:12:51 PM

    GoodWill Hunting2008: You show your ignorance by assuming that all people without health insurance are poor and lazy. Had you looked at the statistics, you would see that the fasting growing section of the population without insurance is middle class America! I have a master's degree and worked hard only to lose my job, my insurance and ended up walking around with impacted and infected teeth until I could scrape together enough money to pay for dental procedures, along with food, shelter, GAS, etc. If someone would have offered free treatment, I would have been all over it like a rash on a bug bite.

    I am always a bit suspicious about those who take pot shots at the poor for accepting handouts. My guess would be you asked for handouts but were turned down at some point. Get over it. If you really want to do something proactive, write your local,state and national politicians asking for some medical/dental insurance relief.

    • Posted By: goodwillhunting22@hotmail.com @ 08/05/2008 5:25:40 PM

      You are missing the point. In your case you are someone who ran on hard times and needed help to get you through. I've been there too and no one is ever going to make someone feel bad about taking help when you truly need it. There is nothing wrong with charity to those who need it. What we are upset about is people who expect it because they don't want to work or feel that the government or the world owes them something for living. Everyone wants to be able to have a church or a family member to turn to when things get bad so they can get a bit of help but when you start looking to the government to provide for you for everything then it never gets better for anyone.

      • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/06/2008 8:19:55 AM

        There is a lot of abuse out there. Lazy people take away from those who truly need the help.

        Look at welfare

  • Posted By: Freedom4Life @ 08/05/2008 5:05:41 PM

    I sympathize with most individuals who suffer without healthcare - I'm one of them. However, this idea of "free" healthcare provided by the government is a myth - there's no free lunch. In other words, we will pay the price of the increased demand of health services through taxation and other associated costs - something many of us are not willing to do. Not only are many people unwilling to bear the cost of poor decisions made by others (i.e. smokers, drug abusers, etc, etc.) but many are unwilling to be forced by the arm of the gov't to stand in line behind these people at the doctor's office.

    The only way to better care for the individuals in need is to eliminate the government's paternal hand in these affairs. The people of the U.S. are always quick to turn to legislation to get us out of a pickle. It is this sort of interference that put us in this situation. Why not take gov't out of the equation and put the fruits of every worker's labor in their deserving hands? There's no doubt in my mind, considering the compassion expressed here for the needy, that this sort of action would lay the foundation for more charity.

    Conversely, this "privatization" of sorts would favor the pockets of healthcare consumers. We often assume that more people would simply not be able to afford healthcare without gov't assistance. However, what many often fail to consider is the affect a reduction/elimination of assistance would have on healthcare providers - currently, providers have no incentive to lower prices. Without gov't subsidy, they would have every incentive to do so.

    I urge people to look to the institutions that motivate the behavior of individuals and our markets before we ask our government to extend yet a larger hand.

    • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/06/2008 8:18:25 AM

      Too much finger pointing, not enough looking in the mirror

    • Posted By: goodwillhunting22@hotmail.com @ 08/05/2008 5:10:40 PM

      Spot on! You are absolutely correct! Finally someone who gets it!!!

  • Posted By: goodwillhunting22@hotmail.com @ 08/05/2008 4:57:39 PM

    All I hear is "what can the goverment do to help these people! ". " Where's the government to help all those poor unfortunate souls?". What about people taking responsibility for thier choices. I went to school with alot of girls who made it out of high school not pregnant. People have choices in life and that is what should be taught is that you are responsible for your actions. What about people relying on themselves to make thier life better. It's called hard work, long hours, two jobs, going to school. Doing what you have to do to get yourself out of poverty to a better life. It's not easy but the opportunities out there for anyone who is willing to apply themselves to make a better life. No one would begrudge a hard working person a hand up when things are down. As a country we want to help those who need the help to get ahead but we hate to support those who would rather take a hand out and live in poverty as long as they aren't responsible for themselves or their actions.

    • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/06/2008 8:16:57 AM

      Exactly, people don't understand the argument. Every time i read lack of compassion it just further proves the point. The argument here isn't about helping others. I am all for helping others but I choose to live in a free nation so that my government does not FORCE me to provide for others who are too lazy to take care of themselves.

  • Posted By: ieadie @ 08/05/2008 3:24:57 PM

    tresanus - (funny how the second part of your ID is latin for ***) - However, I digress - Your comment highlights the profound difference between us - we don't mind paying for people in need, in fact, we demand it! - you? well, the almighty dollar is your God - I hope you can live with that.

    • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/05/2008 3:31:17 PM

      The problem is not with the people that want helping others. The problem is that many people expect it. I donate money to many charitable organizations BUT you should NEVER be obligated to give you hard earned "almighty dollar" if you do not want to.


      Also the Latin term in my name is intentional as is the Spanish word prior.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/05/2008 4:10:57 PM

        You give your hard earned money every time you pay taxes.

        • Posted By: tresanus @ 08/06/2008 8:12:30 AM

          Exactly which would pay for "free" health care

  • Posted By: NYSCOF @ 08/06/2008 7:39:27 AM

    The politics of organized dentistry, e.g. the American Dental Association, keeps Americans in dental pain because the ADA and other dental groups lobby our legislators, dangling their deep pockets & PAC money ,t o get fluoridation schemes passed which only give the illusion of helping low-income Americans. The truth is that 80% of dentists refuse to treat Medicaid patients and over 100 million Americans lack dental insurance.

    The solution is to allow Dental Therapists to work in the US as they do in other developed countries. They are two or three year trained individuals who can do simple dentistry including some drilling, filling and pulling. They work in mouths and localities where dentists refuse to go and accept Medicaid. The first ones are working in rural Alaska where the ADA spent over $1 million trying to thwart the Dental Therapists.

    Organized dentistry almost always blocks any group from infringing upon its lucrative monopoly. That's the real reason the above dental story even exists. In America, everyone whould be able to get their teeth fixed - even low-income people with poor diets that may or may not be their own fault.

    No one cares what drove wealthier Americans to get their caps and crowns - as long as their insurance or wallets paid for it.

    While fluoride use is growing, so is tooth decay along with fluoride overdose symptoms - white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth now afflicting up to 48% of US school chidlren.

    there is no dispute that too much fluoride can actually decay teeth. We have loads of evidence that our children are fluoride overdosed; but organized dentistry keeps pushing more and more of it as if it were a panacea to the dental health crisis Americans are facing because of a dentist deficiency not a fluoride deficiency

    Politics plays a heavy hand in this.


    C

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 08/06/2008 7:14:35 AM

    all the hillbillys want free dental for their METH MOUTH!

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 08/06/2008 7:12:46 AM

    everyone complains about health insurance but not auto insurance,,,its sick,your car is more important then your family?

  • Posted By: tawartani @ 08/06/2008 5:03:19 AM

    I am a pediatrcian practicing in arabia and a frequent visitor to the USA, the land of the plenty! I am just shocked that the richest country in the world, which can afford to spend billions in foreign aid mostly to oppressive regimes, cannot take care of its own people. It is is a shame to see those lovely hardworking folks undergo this ordeal to get what I consider is their basic right. There is something seriously wrong in the healthcare system in the USA, and I don't believe that any doctor in his heart is satisfied with this kind of service to his fellow countrymen and women.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 08/05/2008 3:11:54 PM

    CAN'T AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE? GIVE UP THE AUTO INSURANCE? SIMPLE AS THAT?

    • Posted By: rdaffron @ 08/06/2008 2:11:34 AM

      Ok, no car insurance, then no car. Considering that there is NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION in rural areas, how does a person get to work to afford to pay for health insurance? Fatjoey, your ignorance speaks VOLUMES.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/05/2008 4:13:52 PM

      Ok...my car insurance is only $50 a month for full coverage, which I need to get to and from work. Try finding health insurance for $50/month.

    • Posted By: astarr34 @ 08/05/2008 3:20:47 PM

      FatJoey, in our state, you must keep valid auto insurance in order to maintain license and registration for your vehicle. We live in a rural area without public transportation. Therefor, no vehicle means no way to work. I'm sure that is true in many areas. Oh, and before you come up with the suggestion of driving the vehicle illegally, that is a minimum $500 fine plus possible jail time. Not an option around here.

    • Posted By: dbtmellis @ 08/05/2008 3:18:34 PM

      Fatjoey....in the real world its not that simple. So get your head out of the sand and join the rest of us who do live in the real world.

    • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 3:16:52 PM

      Fatjoey, what a comment what goes around comes around "Fatjoey", I find it amazing that you picked the name yourself.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/05/2008 7:06:18 PM

    This type of charity and volenteerism is what makes America great! And more would be better! Lets' not let the cynics in the shadows suggest that all this effort the Government can do, do more of and do better. It's just another Big Lie to make us all feel something can be got for nothing for someone in a plight.
    Constructive criticism is beneficial... but the Liberals whispering is not constructive. It's intentionally calculated destructive cynicism of the type socialist have use to mess countries up since the late 1800s.
    The US version of social attack is the America Sucks First campaign. of the DNCs Left Wing. It's a wrecking ball!
    Don't buy it people! The Country you save may be your own!
    America is a great country! Americans are great people! Don't let ANYONE try to convince you your countrymen suck!

    • Posted By: Velo Route @ 08/05/2008 7:41:23 PM

      Another Republican propagandist (I am an Independant) and/or the typical stereotyped Republican whose brain never went beyond the first gear!

      • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/06/2008 1:02:00 AM

        Well,buddy! How about a kind word for the volenteers? Or any other American? Do you do volenteer work? Yup...I'm conservitive! I have done volenteer work and am very inspired by these Doctors whose honest efforts go beyond my humble ones.
        You are indipendently deep into Americans Suck First, And it's not propaganda to oppose discrimination campaigns and the agitprop which sustains them. Americans HATE discrimination campaigns.
        America is great becuase AMRICANS live here and VOLENTEER here. Don't let anyone convince you your countrymen suck...and your brain is unsafe at ANY SPEED if you can't find something constructive to say about medical profesionals donating time to needy Americans.
        Have a happier day soon!

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