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  • Posted By: MFK6 @ 08/05/2008 3:27:12 PM

    I work in the healthcare industry as a nurse. I have been appalled by the number of people who do not get care in this country. Sure you have medicaid for those not eligible for medicare but the problem is if you own anything they want to put a ien on your house. People under 65 with chronic illness many, many times cannot afford lifesaving drugs - and go without. Just being in the pharmacy the other day and watching several older women looking at OTC drugs(aspirin, etc.)they were chosing the brand names because the advertising on TV had made them believe it was the best. People on fixed incomes sometimes cannot afford the Part B of medicare - that's doctor's visits and other things. Many doctor's offices will not tell them about the fact that they could get a application signed by their doctor to get free or almost free prescriptions from the big pharmaceutical companies. Hell, I have watched WWII veterans refuse to go to the VA for medicines or treatment because they did not want to be seen as poor or asking for anything. No system in place to provide assistance with medical care in this country is easy obtained or without insinuation that you are bilking the system. I used to tell older patients that they had paid taxes for years and were entitled to anything they could get from this lousy government.. I have watched people actually die because they could not afford the proper medical treatment. Is this right? Hell, no.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/05/2008 4:09:53 PM

      Thank you for your comments...I think so many people fail to realize that there are millions of hard-working, honest people that get sick or die simply because they can't afford health insurance. It is appalling, you're right. Yes, there are people who work the system, but I'd say a vast majority truly need the help and are the working poor.

  • Posted By: samson the second @ 08/05/2008 12:16:54 PM

    This makes me so glad that I live in England. We have a National Health Service that is free. Last year I was rushed into hospital with a brain tumour which was successfully removed. I was well looked after and I had to pay NOTHING. I do not understand how the US cannot provide free health care for its citizens.

    • Posted By: Emilli @ 08/05/2008 12:22:22 PM

      Like I have asked number of times what happens to the people in England if they dont want it? If they dont want to pay for it?

      • Posted By: Aswan @ 08/05/2008 4:07:44 PM

        It's included in the outrageous taxes. My sister lives in London. She says everyone who can afford to tries to get private health insurance coverage. I have a friend who is Canadian and a big Michael Moore fan. But when she wanted an MRI, she drove to New Hampshire and paid for one rather than wait her turn in her "excellent" national health care plan. She also comes to the US for her dental care. So, she loves it...but she also loves being able to choose not to be inconvenienced by it.

      • Posted By: GoHomeFascist @ 08/05/2008 3:18:55 PM

        Gee I don't know Emilli, what happens to people who don't want to pay for something THAT DOESN'T COST ANY MONEY!!! In the UK everyone has access to health care, obviously if they don't want it, THEY DON'T USE IT YOU IDIOT!!!

    • Posted By: Steven579 @ 08/05/2008 12:23:56 PM

      Because we do not wont to pay another 30 percent in taxes to pay for people not willing to get off there butt and work. We do not like the European ways if we did we would live in Europe and my wife is from England and her family hates the health care system her brother broke his leg and had to wait 3 weeks to get seen I can go on and on about the cut rate services over there.

      • Posted By: samson the second @ 08/05/2008 3:29:26 PM

        All I know is that if you have a life threatening illness in England and the rest of the UK you get rushed to hospital and operated on. We do have private care too but not everyone can afford it. Clearly the same seems to apply in the US. I was taken into hospital on 1 June last year and they removed my brain tumour on 7 June. We in the UK all pay tax, some of which goes to fund the NHS. No one moans about it because you never know when you may need it.

    • Posted By: 20something @ 08/05/2008 12:26:43 PM

      The NHS can be good. It also can be bad. I'm very glad you got the good end, a brain tumor is no joke and I'm very happy you're doing well. Waiting on a list for months at a time to have a problem checked out that later turns out to be a tumor would probably not be called good, though that was through the NHS as well. I like England, but wouldn't want to live permanently there because of the huge cost of simply living there, partly due to the NHS. Living here, paying for my own insurance, I still come out with more saved up in my bank account. I'd much rather pay for myself than be required to pay for everyone.

      Best wishes for your future health!

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/05/2008 2:00:33 PM

        You know, I have a few friends that live in England and 4 in Canada and they have all told me that the waiting long periods of time claim is complete bs. In their experiences, they have waited a few months for regular checkups--which I do here, anyway. They have said that with serious illnesses, you get into doctors as normal. My aunt had breast cancer and had to wait 4 weeks to see a specialist...this is in the US...so how is it any different?

      • Posted By: bbmj @ 08/05/2008 1:14:38 PM

        because it is providing it for every one elses countryt

  • Posted By: humngbrd2 @ 08/05/2008 2:19:36 PM

    I have worked for over 30 years, since I was 15 and paid into FICA and Federal. I have at times had insurance which was offered by my employer. I have lived in 8 states, some offered Medicaid for uninsured adults, most did not. I now live in a small comminity 55 miles outside of Wichita Falls, TX. Texas my employer does not offer insurance and I only make $1.75 above minimum wage. Texas does not offer Medicaid or anything else to assist adults with medical care costs. I am a 48 year old female diagnosed with: osteoarthritis, high blood pressure, and severe bone desease (osteoporosis). I addition, I have had 3 strokes. I suffer pain daily in my back and joints. Some days it is hard to get out of bed to go to work, but I must. I have a 16 y.o. son that still lives at home and we depend on my income alone to exist.
    To be eligible to collect Disability a person has to be unemployed for 1 year. I wish someone would explain to me why this country is suppose to be one of the leading nations in the world, but Can not or Will not take care of their own....but then the few in our Nation might have to take a few financial cuts. Well if most of the working Americans in this country can pay $4.oo a gallon for gas, $5.00 a gallon for Milk, and $3.00 for a loaf of bread, then the so-called government officials should be able to take a cut in their pocketbooks and help out those less fortunate in THIS country for a change....

    • Posted By: bookworm in Iowa @ 08/05/2008 2:28:02 PM

      So, humngrdz wouldn't you admit that part of your problems are self inflicted? You have bounced from place to place and job to job for years. You are not stable. You have not educated yourself, and therefor have not risen much further above a minumum wage job with no benefits? My God man, do you have a family you're supporting with this lifestyle?

      • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 4:05:12 PM

        bookworm take your head out of the books - she said she is a 48 year old female.

  • Posted By: Cashew @ 08/05/2008 3:44:59 PM

    Get real. Our government can put 250,000,000 in the streets of Iraq, and keep no records, but can't keep a child for 24 hour in fostercare after they graduate from highschool. It happens every graduation day in America. Sicko told the whole story on health, but did not come close to telling what life is like in everyday America.
    Example: My son turned the drug dealer that sold his wife of 14 years , drugs. He turned in her and all her drug buddies hoping she could get help. He loved her so much. The next day he was told he was a dead man if the drug dealer got arrested. He was also told the Social Services would be out to pick up the children. So, our family moved him and his four children out with the clothes on their backs.
    When he moved in with us we though Social services would help him get his own place. We went through most of our savings, and I, being disable, and my husband the step-father/grandfather supported them for a year. My son had a great work record , but could not find work in this area because it is a border town and greencard workers are hired . In this way the large companies don't have to pay benefits for part time workers. It saves them money, but I haven't seen it passed on to the people. Anyway. we ended up having to put our children out on the street. The social Services didn't care even though we sent them a letter.
    Our son received no food-stamps , no medical, and no cash aid until he stayed in a motel with two full size beds for two months.
    This story goes on. We have lived a nightmare, because of our so-call free trade.Our doctor offices are always full of people that can't understand the English language. They receive free medical, but our citizens can't. Something is wrong.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/05/2008 3:59:46 PM

      EXACTLY. We are already subsidizing health care to immigrants--we might as well nationalize it so we citizens can benefit!

  • Posted By: dawells @ 08/05/2008 3:56:16 PM

    In a few locations throughout the U.S. there are clinics called Volunteers In Medicine. There low income persone tha do not have any axcess to medical insurance, or who are not on Medicaid, can apply to receive free healthcare, including dental.

  • Posted By: Aswan @ 08/05/2008 11:53:03 AM

    Medicaid is overwhelmed and underfunded. And the middle class baby boomers who are restructuring their assets to qualify for long term care are going to kill the program completely.

    Unfortunately, there are horror stories about people pulling their own teeth rather than waiting for service under nationalized programs like the British have. Nationalized health insurance isn't the solution. Mandatory and affordable health insurance is the answer.

    • Posted By: CSSinGA @ 08/05/2008 1:55:54 PM

      But by making it mandatory, it is a tax, so taxpayers get stuck with the bill no matter how you slice it. I, personally, would prefer an insurance premium schedule like that of SCHIP, but for everyone. Don't mandate coverage, but make the coverage truly affordable. For an example, my daughter was covered under Florida Kids' Care. Our income meant that we paid the highest monthly premium in that program (at that time $110 per month); however, by being able to to get rid of "family" coverage at work and have "couple" coverage, the total premiums I paid monthly were reduced by $600. For our family, that was a SIZABLE savings that did things like keep our car tuned up, let us have a nutrionally sound diet, heck, it even allowed us to start a 401K.

      It's the premium costs that are keeping most uninsured Americans from having insurance. Lower those premiums to within the reach of the lower median income and we may very well ensure that these types of horror stories go away in our country;

      That's my opinion, your mileage may vary.

      • Posted By: Aswan @ 08/05/2008 3:54:59 PM

        But if you don't mandate coverage, aren't you running the risk that some young, healthy people will choose to take their chances with no insurance- effectively, letting the taxpayers/hospitals insure them against catastrophic illness? By mandating coverage, this large pool of healthy nsured will help offset the costs of the coverage of those with diseases. And by mandatory, I also meant that the insurance companies would have to provide coverage no matter what conditions you have. I agree. Affordable premiums and not allowing insurers to walk away from the ill would be a big step forward in health care reform.

  • Posted By: astarr34 @ 08/05/2008 2:51:39 PM

    Many of the comments that I have read seem to focus on attacking previous posters. This does nothing but stir up feelings of animosity. My husband and I have 3 children under the age of 12. I am in college working towards my nursing degree. My husband drives a log truck. He brings home $230.00 a week. Our children receive state medicaid. My husband and I do not because according to the medicaid guidelines, we make $25 a month too much. We have checked into private pay insurance, but for just the two of us, non smokers, in good health, it would be nearly $400 a month. With the cost of gas, groceries, utilities, and everything else skyrocketing, that is simply an insurmountable amount of money. We have been fortunate, in the 10 yrs we have been uninsured, each of us have only had to go to the ER for medical treatment 3 times. However, the cost of those visits was triple what it would have cost in the Dr's office. Neither of us have seen a dentist in over 10 yrs, and we both brush and floss 3 times a day.....however, each of us still have a couple of painful cavities in need of repair. Thankfully, our 3 children (with health issues) are covered by medicaid which covers their medications, their dr. visits, and their dental costs. We are hard workers who do everything we can to stretch each penny to it's breaking point, but we still cannot afford medical insurance. I dare anyone out there to say it is our fault, or anyone else's for that matter, if health insurance coverage is not affordable. I'm sorry, but feeding our family, keeping a roof over our heads, and clothes on our backs is more important, and more cost effective. Our government is never going to change simply because the men and women in office are never going to change their stance, and we as a nation continue to elect like-minded officers to run our country. Our citizens get the shaft by the same people giving our doctors and hospitals the shaft: the insurance corporations. Let us each contact our local government representatives and tell them it's time for a change. Remind them that this is an election year, and that your vote goes with whomever has this country's best interests healthwise in mind. If we want a change, then each one of us must use our voice to get our wants heard.

    • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 3:50:47 PM

      Very well written, I agree.

  • Posted By: GeorginaKlanica @ 08/05/2008 3:49:52 PM

    Some of the commenters here have discussed the nastiness, heartlessness, etc. of posters. Here's what I believe drives this, in plain language:

    1) Earning a living today SUCKS - stagnant wages, constant threat of job loss, unpaid overtime, dwindling benefits etc.

    2) Even the best of us have weaknesses - smoking, excess weight, etc. - and fail to change them.

    Thus, we have earned better care because we labor. Those who work keep a country running.

    From our own lost battles with our weaknesses, we've learned we don't want to waste resources treating alcoholics, dopers, etc. because we don't believe they'll permanently change their ways.


  • Posted By: SonyaS. @ 08/05/2008 2:53:52 PM

    I am fighting back sobs because I am reminded of Michael Moore's movie Sicko. The richest country in the world cannot help the desperate and poorest of its citizens. For shame. For pathetic shame.

    • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 3:46:42 PM

      Yes, sonyaS - and will pour tax dollars by the billions into other countries and let their country fall apart. - lets not forget off -shore jobs. Charity begins at home.

  • Posted By: mikeinLA @ 08/05/2008 11:00:40 AM

    This is sad that the United States of America has such a problem helping its citizens, who are taxed to fund wars and hand outs to big oil and agrigiz. Whats even more sad is that nobody stands up to and questions or demands more action from the government.

    • Posted By: ELLENMILTON @ 08/05/2008 3:43:24 PM

      What a wonderful thing these clinics are. Thank you to all who serve those less fortunate. Shame on all who resent the poor and needy - for whatever reason.

    • Posted By: dbtmellis @ 08/05/2008 3:16:03 PM

      For all those out there who think the Goverment should stay out of peoples business this is the reason why so many are without healthcare. While im not saying that it should be mandatory to have unversal healthcare, it should be given as an opption. And for those out there who whine about paying taxes, get rid of and elect people who arent huge pork barrle spenders! Spend the money wisely and i can promise thing will change.

  • Posted By: Ashamedofmyleaders @ 08/05/2008 3:37:00 PM

    This is an outrage in the most "powerful" country in the world we can't even manage to make sure our citizen's have basic health coverage. I am a person who fortunately has coverage for my family and myself but that could all change in a matter of seconds if I lost my job. I feel that this type of treatment of our own neighbors is an outrage! We can spend billions of dollars on war and on taking care of other countries but we can't take care of our own. Let's start investing in the people of the United States of America and make sure they are taken care of before we try to take care of the rest of the world!!!!

  • Posted By: positiveworld @ 08/05/2008 11:37:51 AM

    How very sad for these folks, I kow I was one of them at one time, I went to the dentist when I finally got insurance with 17 cavities my mouth hurt all the time it was a fact of life. I am just getting by like most Americans even with a college education but if by some great miracle I come into a great amount of money I have made a promise to God I will help people less fortunate than me. I try to even now I sponsor a child have for years if everyone did something it would make some difference. How some rich folks can spend $100,000 on a gown or 1 million on a wedding is a total shame when that money can do so much for others.

    • Posted By: djoyousone @ 08/05/2008 3:33:45 PM

      I like your attitude. If everyone who thought liked that did just a little something toward helping others, we could do a whole lot of good...and all the smug people who "work so hard" can go right on and pat themselves on the back.

  • Posted By: USA Gone Crazy @ 08/05/2008 3:28:03 PM

    Heartless, uncaring, and ignorant describes many of the comments I have read. People who have needs ought not be judged. Period. You do not walk in their shoes. If someone extends their hand, it is far better to give and possibly learn that they did not really need than to turn away someone who actually had need, for truly the vast majority of those asking are legitimate. Having been on both sides in my life, I am truly thankful that I can presently support myself and my child, however meagerly, and would not hesitate to give as much as I can to those less fortunate, whatever their reasons may be.

  • Posted By: ieadie @ 08/05/2008 3:08:44 PM

    What on earth is wrong with you people! Don't you care about your fellow man? So, some of you just pulled your boot-straps up and did ok! GOOD FOR YOU! Now what about all of the millions that are not doing ok? Do you give a dam? By the sound of it the answer to that is HELL NO! I was brought up in a Social Democracy where we were educated in free enterprise and freedom for all but we were also taught to respect and care for our neighbours! Our old people don't have to worry about not getting a pension, our young people don't have to worry about not being able to pay for their education and parents don't have to worry that one of their kids may become extremely ill and they can't get health care!
    The people of my country wouldn't stand for anything else - what is wrong with the US picture?

    • Posted By: novascotian @ 08/05/2008 3:27:17 PM

      I come from the same system, when you see our elderly at the doctors office or clinics they don't look scared and worried that if I need an operation - I won't lose all that I have. They look content and happy.

  • Posted By: buggirl @ 08/05/2008 3:26:54 PM

    hmm..let's see...give up my auto insurance for health insurance. Well, if I need my vehicle to drive to work, so that I can make enough money to pay for health insurance, you would think that keeping auto insurance would be fairly important. Of course, I could always drive without it (horrible and mostly unlawful idea) or hope that my area has enough public transportation that it would be an option. And if it's not? Gee, why isn't this such an awesome idea? And no matter what other option you can bring up, that doesn't necessarily mean it's an option for every single person out there. Carpool? Maybe. Walk? Maybe. Sometimes you don't have any other options but to drive. Or quit your job. And then there you are, taking advantage of the system, shame on you, sitting at home when you could be working.

  • Posted By: rpearlston @ 08/05/2008 3:18:02 PM

    I started to read the comments on this story, and I literally had to stop not far into that endeavor> Why? Because the almost complete lack of compassion shown by the individuals who have already left their comments is making me nauseous.

    Folks, a lit compassion goes a long, long way. You might want to give it a try sometimes.

    • Posted By: HearMe2 @ 08/05/2008 3:25:30 PM

      You are so right. I work in health care--our employees can not afford insurance. The CNAs are paid only a couple dollars above minimum wage. Too much to be eligible for Medicaid by a few dollars a month! They have a choice, have insurance or feed their children. Fortunately, Wisconsin is one of the states that offer a low cost insurance and many of our employees can now afford a state subsidized insurance. But, not all states offer this. People who are criticizing these people have never lived below the poverty level--I have--I had the ability to work my way out of poverty, but not everyone does.
      Some of these people commenting need to remember "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

  • Posted By: MI-patriot @ 08/05/2008 11:58:35 AM

    No one believes that a nationalized health care could ever compare to the quality of private health care. The question is, for the 50 plus million Americans with no health care, poor health care, or none at all?. Also consider that some projections are estimating the number of uninsured to reach 100 million in 10 years. Chances are that you or your loved ones will soon be grateful for poor health care.

    • Posted By: Velo Route @ 08/05/2008 3:23:54 PM

      Enter Your CommentCome on! Doctors here more and more are anot about medical care , but their banking cares!

  • Posted By: healthcarecrazy @ 08/05/2008 3:18:51 PM

    I would aggree with goodwillhunting to an extent. Unfortantley it is because of those that abuse the system people like Mrs. Flowers who may really need assistance don't get it. I am in the healthcare profession and people don't have a clue as to how our Doctors are being reiumbursed by insurance co. Sometime we are not sure how we are going to pay bills. They have reduced our allowables so much it isn't worth the risk of stepping into a surgery room. Do you have any idea what it takes to run a private practice. You have liability insurance you have to pay, employees payment plus insurance for them, equipment, lease, etc.... I could go on. After going to school for 8yrs to get a good education and take care of patients, physicians are certainly not in it for the money anymore. Insurance Co. are who the goverment and consumers need to be turning their attention. They dictate how a physician can conduct their practice, how much they will be paid for a service, and how much you as a consumer will have to pay for premiums. Have you ever looked @ their profits annualy. I bet it is alot more then your avarage provider. Most states also have free clinics or community hospitals that people can seek healthcare. My guess is that some people wait until their case is so sever before seeking care that they can't afford the procedure. If they are truley at poverty level then they should have some goverment assistance.

  • Posted By: mundy08 @ 08/05/2008 3:13:14 PM

    Thankfully, here in my little corner of the country, we have an amazing organization called Volunteers in Medicine. The clinic provides medical care on an ongoing basis and is run completely on donated funds and is staffed with volunteer nursing staff and physicians. It is a shame that there are not more of these clinics available to help cover the people who fall into the "gap" that exists between those who are poor enough to qualify for government aid and those with jobs that provide insurance coverage. This is something that happens all over the country, and bless those who care enough to make a difference in someone else's lives.

  • Posted By: daplane @ 08/05/2008 3:11:41 PM

    My first job in the mining industry was in Wise Virginia in 1977. Coming from the Midwest it was a real shock. I could not believe how many of people worked the system. Most of the car wrecks were intentional, self inflicted injuries were common and no interest in trying to improve there lot in life. Most just wanted their government check in the mail without a day labor to justify it. At the company I worked for we our HR dept was continually hiring people to replace no shows, drunks and totally incompetent workers.

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