Faith is between a person and their imaginary god and should have nothing to do with politics. Politics should be about policy, not fairy god mothers.
Faith is between a person and their imaginary god and should have nothing to do with politics. Politics should be about policy, not fairy god mothers.
ROGER THAT!
Get this notion out of your heads that anyone's preacher, pastor, priest or religion has ANYTHING to do with leading the country.
Look at the Devil we elected TWICE - are you proud to call him a Born-Again Christian? How many DEATHS does he have on his watch???? Let's see: 9/11 - thousands; as Governor of Texas, hundreds of Death Row inmates put to death; in the Iraq War: 4000 and counting of our own soldiers, plus HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of IRAQIS, innocent families broken up, wounded, senselessly killed -- and then displaced forever from their homes and property in Iraq.
This is senseless - don't be such shallow hypocrites - we are not God's Chosen People of the World and we are not electing a Pope, for goodness' sake! We are electing a SECULAR LEADER who has to make horrible (and honorable) decisions that do not involve religious belief, they involve diplomacy, political skill, communication, articulate expression and logic, logic, logic. We do not need another SENSELESS FOOL running our country.
Thank you for hearing me out.
I totally agree that the president is a secular post. Though many in this country seem to have forgotten, the Bill of Rights specifically state that there is to be separation between church and state. All religions are to be allowed in this country though you cannot commit crimes against our laws (such as murder) in the name of religion and expect to get immunity.
Bush has been an abominable president. He ignored the fact that we are destroying our planet FOR 8 YEARS! He used our distress over 9/11 as an excuse to go to war in Iraq, and may very well have had false evidence of WMDs manufactured by the CIA. Even now he is trying to create a policy before he leaves office to classify hormonal birth control as abortificants (sp?). He continually adds these little notes to laws Congress passes and he signs that basically say he may or may not follow the law himself. Frankly, many analysts have compared Bush to dictators from the mid 1900's because he seems to think he is an absolute ruler and doesn't need to answer to Congress or the people who elected him.
Are you an idiot. What about the 4,000 lives that are killed every day in America because of our selfless right to choose. What does that calculate out per year? Makes death row and the war numbers look extrememly low. Democrats need to stop whining and respect all life - especially the innocent new born babies whom Obama just wants to kill - even those who survive abortions. KILLER!
Very True! If America's Government were run based on Religion, Our economy would collapse overnight! No Casino's, No Lottery, No Breweries, No Taverns, No Night Clubs No USA!!
GloryB, you say, "I know someone in Chicago and he told me it is common knowledge that all these so-called small donations Obama gets are actually funneled through regular people but actually comes from a few very rich donors so the crookedness goes on and on and on." Well, all political funds have this happening. They can only accept so much through one source, so donors find ways to give them more without it having appeared to come from them. Don't even think McCain doesn't get some of his funding the same exact way.
I think all you self-righteous Christians are paid political forum bashers and I wouldn't believe one thing you have to say about another Christian. You ignore stated facts and twist your own spin to undermine the masses. As for me I see through all of it and I will never vote republican again.
Clue: When you attend a Roman Catholic school, you do Roman Catholic things...like participate in "religion class." When you attend a Muslim school, same thing! Obama's been doing Muslim things. Combine that with his radical left background (i.e. working with ACORN), add to that the fact that he is most liberal member of the Senate, and then finish it with him doing nothing but ripping the United States at every opportunity during speaches, and you have someone who would be a very bad President. Please, please...do not vote for this man.
Obama did go to a Catholic school, he did not, however, and go to a Muslim school. What is this ACORN that you keep mentioning?
Sorry, dude. Zombies don't listen to reason.....
Wouldn't it be just something...if in January...Obama annouces that the faith that he finds most comforting to him and his family is Muslim and he joins a mosque.
So what? Article six of the U.S. constitution clearly states that there will be NO religious test to hold public office.
Anything is possible, like aliens existing and coming to take over our planet tonight while we sleep. I don't think I'm going to plan on that though.
Clue: When you attend a Roman Catholic school, you do Roman Catholic things...like participate in "religion class." When you attend a Muslim school, same thing! Obama's been doing Muslim things. Combine that with his radical left background (i.e. working with ACORN), add to that the fact that he is most liberal member of the Senate, and then finish it with him doing nothing but ripping the United States at every opportunity during speaches, and you have someone who would be a very bad President. Please, please...do not vote for this man.
Enter Your Commentyou dumb bastard. Barack did not attend a Muslim school. Barack attended grammar school with Muslim and Christian children. Please stop showing all of us how dumb and easily infulenced you are.
Obama's biggest faith is communist...he's joke! As is McCain. Revolutionist, that's what we need.
You are a communist
I am SO tired of hearing the fascist water-carriers telling people that Obama is a Muslim despite months of these types of articles being thrown in our faces 24/7. I go to church every Sunday and hear things the pastor says that I don't agree with, but that is not enough to make me leave the congregation! Lighten up you fascists, we have heard your BS for 8 years now and WE ARE F*%($(%$ SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you even know the definition of "fascist"? Didn't think so....
Yes you are a prime example, so are Dubya and Cheney...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-and-the-marginalized/a-song-to-help-ind-vicki_b_92490.html
This may Truly be, The Year of the "2 Johns"
1. John Edwards 2. John McCain & Vicki Iseman..Make it 2 for 2 John McCain...Please !!!
A Song to Help Find (Vicki Iseman) Remember Her ?
Get Ready for the (Vicki Iseman) Backlash, John McCain and I Hope its before the Election...
I Know John McCain and Cindi McCain are hoping November gets here... SOON
It has been exactly one month since the New York Times broke the John McCain/Vicki Iseman scandal, and since then the press has gone after Iseman with all the veracity and acumen of a dead hippo. What gives?
Don't get me wrong -- I think that if John McCain had an inappropriate relationship with a lobbyist who looks like a Barbie doll that your sister gave a haircut to, it doesn't make him any less qualified to be president than I already think he is. That said, since any Democrat that is state assembly on up can't look at a woman other than his wife without the press going after her, I'd like to see the same crappy journalism help my team for once.
Certainly isn't happening yet, and (Vicki Iseman) is probably sitting at home thanking Eliot Spitzer and Jeremiah Wright for making this news almost as old as John McCain, smugly patting herself on the back for being the only person in history to be a front page story in the Times with the self-control to not utter a peep. That, or some shadowy people have buried her in the desert.
We wrote a song to help find her - enjoy!
Obama's religious beliefs are none of my business, just as my beliefs or lack thereof are none of his. I don't want to hear about anyones "conversion" experience. Those are private matters and should remain so. To use one's faith as a campaign tool is repugnant.
FINALLY- a well-spoken someone explains the Obama values!!
This should be required reading for those out there who, despite the facts, maintain that Obama is a Muslim
I look forward to reading this book!
I highly recommend Mansfield's educational and easy to read book. The book is especially good for people unfamiliar with black churches. I learned about Black Liberation Theology, which is much different from what I heard on TV. The author is objective. He helps answer why Obama stated in Rev Wright's church for 20 years.
The book also has a very interesting chapter about the religious faith of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and George W Bush.
It was also helpful to have already read Obama's book "Dreams of My Father" for more background on information Mansfield includes in the book. Mansfield provided more detail about some of the individuals in Obama's book.
Read the comments on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Barack-Obama-Stephen-Mansfield/dp/1595552502/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217862248&sr=1-1
I read "Dreams". Sounds like the aspirations of a bitter black man....
What is the point. He will get the black vote, but he is not assured of much else. It is not only about his lack of experience and a record of accomplishment, it is about his flip flops, his associations such as Rezko and Wright, and the arrogamce he has on constant display. Don't expect religious to fall in line over any of the stuff in this article.
Since Obama has had so many religious experiences, hes not quite sure where he fits. Testing the waters sort of speak. Hopefully he will calm down into something not so radical.
ABOARD THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS (CNN) ??? John McCain, who rarely talks about his faith publicly, discussed some of his religious beliefs with reporters Wednesday - including the question of whether he might consider being baptized again.
The presumptive Republican nominee talked with journalists traveling with him from Kentucky to West Virginia about his home congregation, North Phoenix Baptist Church.
"Pastor Dan Yeary has a message I enjoy and appreciate," he said, adding that he and his family have "grown close to [Yeary] over the years" and that he tried to attend services at the church whenever he was home in Arizona.
"The message that Dan Yeary conveys of Christian love and redemption is one that I welcome," said McCain. "And I'm always spiritually helped and assisted when I attend those church services, as I think most Americans are when they attend church services."
The Arizona senator, who was raised an Episcopalian, has attended North Phoenix for nearly two decades, but is not a member because he has not been baptized into the church.
On Wednesday, he told reporters that he had been Baptized in Panama, where he was BORN, and talked about a photo in his memoirs of himself as a baby in a baptismal gown, with his father and grandfather.
"It's like a dress," he chuckled.
Note: Thats not the same thing at all and Mccain knows it Too. He's a Free will agent and of legal Age, to make this Decision, oppose to being an infant, with no Choice.
But he was more GAURDED about his CURRENT PLANSwith regard to BAPTISM, calling them "a PRIVATE THING."
John McCain: "I've been in discussions with Pastor Yeary, and we'll continue those discussions," he said. "It's a personal thing, it's a very personal thing concerning my faith and I am proud of my faith, I am proud of my belief and the sustenance and the redemption that I have received
I am SO tired of hearing the fascist water-carriers telling people that Obama is a Muslim despite months of these types of articles being thrown in our faces 24/7. I go to church every Sunday and hear things the pastor says that I don't agree with, but that is not enough to make me leave the congregation! Lighten up you fascists, we have heard your BS for 8 years now and WE ARE F*%($(%$ SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are n't we get a little too tired of these Obama specials? Is liberal media bothered about his "faith"? It does not give the punch like it did in Febrauary
You asked what I was babbling about. I am babbling about that the evangelicals may vote Obama as the article states, but not for any of the reasons the article claims. They will vote Obama if Romney ends up on the ticket because they are a bunch of intolerant religious whack jobs, and can't stand the thought of a Mormon on the ticket.
In case you misunderstood, I mean if Romney ends up on McCain's ticket.
I could n't understand your opening statement. Where did you learn that Christians should accept all the other religions? from Oprah? that take just stays with Oprah and her gang. Go and preach this to the Islamists of middle East. Americans don't know about these people still. You will wait till the Mullahs start issuing Fatwas in American soil.
Think everybody is on hyperdrive!!
Obama's faith is more in tune with evangelicals. McCain for the most part operates agnostically and has consistently criticized evangelicals until he now needs them and wants to claim an automatic republican support base.
Problem is all issues considered, picking someone who cam out 894th out of 899 in his graduating class is picking from the basest intellectually and as we have seen flaws and all a smart president makes a difference on our lives and economy (Clinton - Rhodes scholar) and this is the biggest challenge now. As Clinton said "he's as smart as a whip" and I believe he will get the policies together that will move us in the right direction away from this cut tax on rich, trickle down economics that has again been proved a failure the past 8 years. And security wise, this guy is not weak and has gotten a lot of *** strategic issues right (his withdrawal timtable, accepted by all, McCain says "pretty good timetable", Afghanistan more troops needed, lets get the real terrorists, all agree, talkt to Iran be4 next step, everyone agrees). I will look at abortion and gun issues next time, thank you. Now my pocket, house, kids are the main concern. I mean how low can we go.
Most so You Called "Evangelicals" are the Most Racist & Seperatist Groups ever and have the Audacity to call yourselves "Christian" !!
Yet Call Obama's Former Church, which just so Happens to have an Overall Majority (White Membership)
Black Liberation Theology: To be Independent, Industrious, Responsible, Self Respecting and Becoming a Vital part of America's Landscape.
Sounds Good to me.
No such Writings of Killing White Americans or Lynching White Americans.
No Forbidding Black White Marriages-Unions.
regarding, The Nation Of Islam, that Organization also Accepts Black-White Marriages as well.
The Nation Of Islam is Not Listed on the Terrorist List....Sorry
There are Thousands of U.S Muslim American Soldiers....Fact
It is the So Called White American Christian World, that are Guilty of Seperation based on Race, Lynchings, Hate Mongering and yet call themselves "Christians"
PS: Call me when you get a Recording of Rev. Wright saying "God Damn, White America"
Wright said God "Damn America" Not "God Damn White America" as in the Government in what they've done to cause such Hatefilled Sentiment, from Not just one Country but from Many Countries, Including Europe, who do not Love Us, based on Our International Bullying and Imposing our Will on Others. The Last time i looked, America Consist of Many Races, Religions, Atheist, Agnostics and Indifferent Towards all of it.
He Said "God Damn America" Not "God Damn White America"
You White Racist are So Damn Desperate to call Wright a Racist an Attach Obama to Wright, and this was Your Opening...It has Not Worked....Sorry
China: Told Bush Jr. Yesterday to Mind his own Business and he should, who is Bush to talk of Human Rights, after Invading a Country, that had NOTHING to do with (911) and being Responsible for Over 1 Million Iraqi Deaths, Over 5,000 Honr. US Deaths, Thousands of Permamently Injured Soldiers, Thousands of Dismembered -Forced Amputations of Honr. US Soldiers , not to mention Suicides and Attempted Suicides & Hundreds of Self Inflicted Wounds by our US Soldiers Own Hands !!!
Please give me some articles and books on McCain's faith. Media spends lot of time trying to pick apart Obama's views on religion. I would like them to pick apart McCain too. McCain supporters cry about having equal press then let's get some insight into McCain. If it's about answering a question, then Obama is christian like me. So get over it.
With our economy in the toilet, two wars, and our national education stats a colossal embarrassment, is this really the best that Newsweek can do? For crying out loud, get your lips off of Obama's behind and report some real news. Here's to HOPING for a CHANGE in news reporting. Will the REAL journalists PLEASE STAND UP?!!!!!!
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