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  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/07/2008 10:06:18 PM

    4. Benjamin Franklin

    In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:

    "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find FEW that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution.

    The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another.

    The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."

    Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him:


    "It is much to be Lamented that a Man of Franklin's General Good Character and Great Influence should have been an UNBELIEVER in CHRISTIANITY, and also have done as much as he did to make OTHERS UNBELIEVERS" (Priestley''s Autobiography)


    Benjamin Franklin Continued...

    Although Franklin received religious training, his Nature Forced him to Rebel Against the Irrational Tenets of His Parents Christianity.

    His Autobiography revels his skepticism, "My Parents had given me betimes Religions Impressions & I received from my Infancy a Pious Education in the Principles of Calvinism.

    But scarcely was I arrived at 15 years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of Different Tenets, according as I found them Combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself.

    ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . .

    It happened that they had an effect on me, quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me MUCH STRONGER than the Refutations; in short,

    I soon became a through Deist."

    In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:


    5. Thomas Paine

    This Freethinker and Author of Several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer.

    Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason:

    "I do not believe in the Creed Professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of.

    My Own mind is my Church. "

    "Of all the systems of Religion that ever were invented, there is no more Derogatory to the Almighty, more Unedifiying to man, more Repugnant to reason, and more Contradictory to itself than this thing called (Christianity). "

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/07/2008 10:02:12 PM

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    Most Presidents of this Country were Deist-Masons...Fact

    1. George Washington
    Much of the myth of Washington's alleged Christianity came from Mason Weems influential book, "Life of Washington." The story of the cherry tree comes from this book and it has no historical basis.

    Weems, a Christian minister portrayed Washington as a devout Christian, yet Washington's Own Diaries show that he (Rarely Attended Church).

    Washington revealed almost nothing to indicate his Spiritual Frame of Mind, hardly a mark of a devout Christian.

    In his thousands of letters, (The Name of Jesus Christ never appears).

    He rarely spoke about his Religion, but his Freemasonry experience points to a belief in DEISM.

    Washingtons initiation occurred at the (Fredericksburg Lodge on 4 November 1752), later becoming a Master Mason in 1799, and Remained a Freemason Until He Died.

    To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that...

    'Every Man "ought to be Protected In Worshipping The Deity according to the Dictates of His Own Conscience`

    After Washington's Death, Dr. Abercrombie, a friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had Interrogated him about Washington''s Religion Replied,

    "Sir, Washington was a Deist."


    2. Thomas Jefferson


    Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian.

    In many of his letters, he Denounced the Superstitions of Christianity.

    He did not believe in Spiritual Souls, Angels or Godly Miracles.

    Although Jefferson did admire the Morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not Think Him DIVINE, Nor did he Believe in the Trinity or the Miracles of Jesus.

    In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, "Question With Boldness even the Existence of a God."

    Jefferson believed in Materialism, Reason, and Science.

    He never admitted to any Religion but his own.

    In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am NOT. I am of a Sect by Myself, as far as I know."


    3. John Adams

    John Adams, a Unitarian, Flatly Denied the Doctrine of Eternal Damnation. In a letter to Thomas Jefferson, he wrote:

    "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- The Cross. Consider what Calamities that Engine of Grief has Produced!"

    In his letter to Samuel Miller, 8 July 1820, Adams admitted his Unbelief of Protestant Calvinism: "I must acknowledge that I Cannot Class Myself Under that Denomination."






  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/07/2008 9:58:14 PM

    Seperation of Church & State: I`ll be glad, when No Candidate Attends a Church, or Endorsed by Any Church, Mosque, Temple Or Synagouge.

    I`ll be Glad when All Candidates say, in Debates `I`m Implementing the Seperation of Church & State Rule` ...

    My Religion is the Constitution.

    My Religion, is to the (Republic) For which It Stands.

    My Religions are the Senate, Congress, The State, This Nation and Its People.

    You Hypocrites can Have Your Religion, I have Enough on My Plate, as You can See.

    John McCain has Attended a Arz. Baptist for over 20 years an he is Not Listed as a member, because he Refuses to be BAPTIZED and says its a "Personal Issue" ...

    As well as Hagee & Parsley to Denounce and You give McCain the Pass & Accept Every Excuse, but when its Obama...You all just Pile On.

    Seperation of Chuch & State...For ALL Candidates.

    They should not Attend Church...Anywhere.

    Because a Pastor-Preacher can say Anything Controversial, at Any Time and this can Only Hurt the Politician, who may or may not have been in the Church, when the Pastor- Preacher says what he says.

    All Politicians should use this Election as a sign...Seperate, Church & State...Permamently.

    PS: Politicians & Most People don`t Attend Church Religously, Devoutly..Anyway, Just Like YOU...HYPOCRITES.

    I`d Love to See Your Church and its Members.
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  • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/07/2008 3:11:21 PM

    I am NO Obama supporter but can you leave the man's religion alone UNLESS you are going to do some real reporting about his twenty year relationship with Trinity OR give honest REAL objective reporting on the lingering Muslim issue----WHAT exactly is the point to keep bringing up the man's religion?

    • Posted By: collymore @ 08/07/2008 9:49:44 PM

      all this talk about muslims, it is sad that the only image that america has of these people is buildings blowing up. has anyone taken the time to find out why muslim women don't dress provocative,why they wear long flowing clothing? has anyone ever read the holy koran? has anyone ever reached out and befriended a muslim brother? i am a conservative christian, but is'nt it total ignorance to be so closed minded,judgemental and intolerant? was he there every sunday that rev wright preached? don't you think it would be robotic for an intelligent persson to swallow every word that rev wright preached? we cannot change anyone it is god who does the changing of a man's heart. we are not god so we should not take his part,he is totally capable of doing it himself.our duty is to go into our pray closets and pray for our leaders,whether they be just or unjust.and by the way every religion has bigots and fanatics.

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:46:31 PM

      Debunked: Extensive reporting has been done about his religion and, anyone who has done any research knows there is no lingering Muslim issue - except the one made up by Republicans.

      • Posted By: DixieGirl @ 08/07/2008 9:12:09 PM

        Hhe MSm continues to bring it up because they do not won't to bring up the real issues about Obama. If they did that , their "chosen One" their "Messiah" would be destroyed...The bible specifically talks about wolves in sheep's clothing and that is exactly what Obama is.

        McCain 08

        • Posted By: Right is RIGHT!!! @ 08/07/2008 9:37:42 PM

          Hey girl, he is not a messiah so your remarks are pain to some of us.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/07/2008 9:44:58 PM

    John McCain's campaign said Thursday it is returning ($50,000) in contributions solicited by a foreign citizen. The move follows the disclosure that the money was being raised by a Jordanian man who is a business partner of prominent Florida Republican Harry Sargeant III, who has collected hundreds of thousands of dollars for McCain.

    The New York Times reported Thursday that Sargeant allowed a longtime business partner, Mustafa Abu Naba'a, to bring in some ($50,000) in donations in March from members of a single extended family in California, the Abdullahs, along with several of their friends.

    The Abdullahs and other (Arab-Americans) in California also contributed tens of thousands of dollars to....

    Democrat: Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republicans: Rudolph Giuliani and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, a longtime friend of Sargeant.

    According to the Times, Abu Naba'a is a dual citizen of Jordan and the Dominican Republic.

    It is illegal for foreigners to contribute their own money to U.S. political campaigns, and McCain's campaign said Abu Naba'a did not do so.

    But McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said some of the people solicited by Abu Naba'a had no intention of supporting McCain for president.

    Rogers said "that just didn't sound right to us" so the money is being returned. He estimated the total at less than $50,000, saying "we think we have a pretty good estimate of how much Abu Naba'a solicited."


    At the same time, the campaign sent a letter to everyone whose donations went through Sargeant, reminding them that federal law bars campaigns from accepting contributions from foreign nationals and that all donations must come from their own funds, without reimbursement.

    Eight months ago, a top fundraiser for Clinton, Norman Hsu, was indicted for making contributions to various political candidates in the names of others.

    Arizona Sen. McCain is co-sponsor of the campaign finance reform law that bears his name and the move is an effort to resolve any questions involving Sargeant before it turns into a major political problem for the candidate.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/07/2008 9:43:20 PM

    Too bad our country is so full of "evangelicals" that we have to pander to them in every political race.

    We're not electing a Preacher, we're electing a President. Last I checked, that was a SECULAR (non-religious) position. We have 300,000,000 people in this country and they are not all Christians. This is a plurualistic society and if the Evangelicals don't like it, they can move to a different country and convert the natives there.

    Personally, I think this preoccupation with religion in the White House is just a crock of bull. Look at our Born-Again President, ain't he sweet?

  • Posted By: Chagasman @ 08/07/2008 4:29:12 PM

    Why is Newsweek and the rest of the media obsessing about faith? Faith and politics should be separate, just like the separation of church and state. All this is doing is encouraging people to vote based on their religious leanings instead of the real issues, the ones that will affect our lives? Get off it, Newsweek. It is reporting like this that keeps Americans voting against their own best interests.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/07/2008 9:33:31 PM

      Probably because there are so many small-town minded folks really suspicious about Obama's faith, saying he's a Muslim, he's not American, he's the anti-Christ. You almost wonder if their churches are putting out these lies and casting shadows on the Democratic nominee so their congrations vote for McCain. It's really a smear campaign against Obama that the press is trying to balance out by publishing these types of stories.

      It's the vast pockets of ignorance that still exist in this country - the "greatest country on earth" supposedly, but one of the least well educated of the entire developed world. And that's a sad fact. We are the ONLY developed country where 51% (a majority) still question Darwin's theory. We've been debating this since the 1920's Scopes Monkey Trials. Abysmally ignorant - not all of us, just pockets of the population who refuse to read, think critically for themselves, and study a variety of sources for their politics. They suck up whatever their friends tell them to think, and whatever the wind blows into their narrow little minds.

  • Posted By: lkbaker @ 08/07/2008 7:20:05 PM

    I am a christian and a democrat. I thnk there is a place for religious folks in politics. Many of the founding fathers had very strong religious convictions but they also understood the separation of church and state. I truly like Senator Obama and I am excited to vote for him in the fall. Hopefully his candidacy and presidency will help reconcile this nation on alot of different levels. BTW, God and Jesus are not imaginary. Jesus died for you out of love to give you a better life even if you don't believe in him. Please don't take your eternal life for granted. You may be in for a surprise.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/07/2008 9:20:45 PM

      Nice comments and thoughts, but personally I wish we could keep religion out of our political arena. It should be strictly a personal issue between each individual and God, or whatever his/her belief is - could be agnostic or atheist too.

      I think it's a nice touch to have a Christian president, but I don't think it should be the big focus - this is a secular, non-religious position - we're not electing a pastor or a preacher for America, we're simply electing a leader of 300,000,000 people of VARIOUS BELIEFS and BACKGROUNDS.

      Imposing Christian morals, casting doubts on a candidate's faith, insinuating he's a "Muslim" (like, who really cares? He's free to be Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist for all it matters), etc. is just too heavy handed.

      It's also more than a little HYPOCRITICAL. Let he who is perfect cast the first stone.

      An do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (What goes around comes around, karma!)

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/07/2008 2:33:23 PM

    hmmm...let's look at some excerpts in this book....................

    "If Obama wins, he will be the first president not raised a Christian"

    "Obama's step father was Muslim. He moved the family to Indonesia."

    "Obama's step father was Muslim. He moved the family to Indonesia."

    "In Indonesia, Obama would occasionaly attend a mosque."

    "In Trinity Church, Obama was seeking a community of shared values"

    "Obama isn't sure about a traditional view of eternal punishment "

    We don't seem to hear these statements from The One's diciples among the media.

    A mohammed in the White House??? GOD Forbid...And HE has...

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:47:49 PM

      Your signature "HolyRoller" says it all. Bet you voted for Bush and the war that has killed thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq!

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/07/2008 5:01:19 PM

        It's like Mr. Roller, Debunked, vakosh and pearsoncrz are the same. Really, really ignorant. I feel kind of bad for them because you meet this kind of person and you know they will never see themselves for what they are. They just don't care.

        • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/07/2008 5:07:17 PM

          You don't like the message so you call the messenger names.

          As though that would make the truth less true.

          • Posted By: DixieGirl @ 08/07/2008 9:14:07 PM

            At least the person is telling the truth about Obama, More than he can do!

  • Posted By: willem1234 @ 08/07/2008 5:54:34 PM

    Get off the religious crap, newsweek, quit pandering to these so called bornagainers, they make me puke, and have no place in politics....

  • Posted By: vakosh @ 08/07/2008 3:02:13 PM

    who cares ... he's a loser .. get Hillary back

    • Posted By: flamingo123 @ 08/07/2008 3:52:01 PM

      ABSOLUTELY!!!! The Democratic Party, by now, should realized Obama is a no win situation.

      • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/07/2008 5:42:16 PM

        Great comments! I agree get Hillary back, But I don't think the democratic party will realize their mistake untill after the election when Obama looses!

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 08/07/2008 5:36:43 PM

    Sen.Obama interested in listening to people. He brings us into decisions and no other politician has done that. He speaks an important message that focuses on what we can do, not what he can do. When Barack Obama is president his culture of inclusion will filter down. Instead of closed doors, people will demand a different kind of government that is transparent and open to the common man. He just able to inspires American but Waves the World with his talented leadership,Sen.Obama able to change and brings back for the better American propectives at world stage, he can inspire people to make a lot of difference in politic as never before. He is open to compromise and looks at all options.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 08/07/2008 5:26:38 PM


    Sen.Obama interested in listening to people. He brings us into decisions and no other politician has done that. He speaks an important message that focuses on what we can do, not what he can do. When Barack Obama is president his culture of inclusion will filter down. Instead of closed doors, people will demand a different kind of government that is transparent and open to the common man. He really can make Waves to the World propective not only US , he's truly a leader can inspire people to make a difference. He is open to compromise and looks at all options.

  • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:42:00 PM

    to willnotvoteobama: What an ignorant post. Drilling for oil and not looking for alternative energy are the quickest ways to bankrupt this country. And, the Prius is $24,000. As hybrids become more commonplace the price will go down. Why don't you quit just making things up and get a clue. Obama has a serious energy plan - McCain doesn't.

    • Posted By: KeriTail @ 08/07/2008 5:12:58 PM

      Very true. Many Economists disagree with McCain's plans and say that Obama's are a start in the right direction.

  • Posted By: rjones543 @ 08/07/2008 5:02:50 PM

    i think he has been spent the last 20 years practicing anti whit and that is wrong just like the kkk is wrong

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/07/2008 4:59:06 PM

    Understanding wha hu? When it has to be read to be understood, then maybe theres' something way wrong here!
    I understand Obama's buddy ,Bill Ayres! Domesrtic terrorist!

  • Posted By: gbenway @ 08/07/2008 4:28:07 PM

    Obama is not living in the ways God would want any true believers to live. He is living of this world. His words that are coming from within his inner self is proving what he believes in, the worldly riches, and he is not following the Word of God. He is not watching out for God's people, he is acting like those who lived in the old testament. Riches were their desires and that is what Obama is doing. He is living by the ways of the devil,being greedy, envious, and lustful of what the position of becoming president could give him. God never gave up on his people. Those who followed the world's ways,suffered the consequences. I am a true Christian, and I live by God's Word, I help those in need, not take from them to make my self rich.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/07/2008 4:56:39 PM

      You must be God to know all this about the heart of Mr. Obama. What's going on In Jessica Alba's heart? Do I have a chance?

    • Posted By: KeriTail @ 08/07/2008 4:38:14 PM

      Judge not lest ye be judged. Remember that? It's in the Bible. Only GOD knows what's truely in a person's heart. We are all imperfect and have sinned, to hold Obama above that would be wrong. Your comment seems highly judgmental, you may want to keep check on that.

  • Posted By: sregis @ 08/07/2008 3:04:28 PM

    i'm so very bored with newsweek's obsessive coverage of politicians' supposed faith (or lack thereof)- hey, let's re-invent the wheel again! these are presidential candidates and this is not a papal conclave!

    • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:54:15 PM

      to sregis: Thank you! Good post!

  • Posted By: pjmarnj @ 08/07/2008 3:58:37 PM

    Why do we get reports on what people think about Obama and his beliefs instead of getting him to declare his beliefs and how he obtained them. But action speaks louder than beliefs. Obama has still not given a penny to the African school that bears his name and which he promised to help. Yet he can buy a 1.65 million dollar home and leave his relatives in Africa with forgotten promises.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/07/2008 4:23:00 PM

      Google the faith forum and see if you can find a transcript of the questions and answers Obama gave. There are also a couple of interviews available online that indicate what he believes. And then there is his book, which reveals some of the things he thinks. Here's one:
      http://www.simplysharing.com/assuringlight/obama.htm


      And then there is this Interesting analysis of the way Obama tries to trick people into saying things, exposing a debater's strategy and mentality, not a search for truth. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/obamas_linguistic_trap.html

      • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:53:43 PM

        And you think McCain is searching for any truth?

  • Posted By: wgoin @ 08/07/2008 4:42:41 PM

    to gbenway: You clearly don't have a clue.

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