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  • Posted By: TARANTINO @ 08/21/2008 10:05:46 AM

    Barigazzi, if exists, is an Italian columnist and his article seems the English translation of article published usually by Silvio Berlusconi's daily Il GIORNALE, i.e. the voice of the owner. Which value can it have for the Newsweek's readership? Just nil... It's really a pity that Newsweek fell in the trap!
    Gianfranco Nitti, Rome

  • Posted By: gattaresti @ 08/21/2008 9:52:03 AM

    Dear Mr. "Ghost", I suggest your really start looking into Italian affairs a little bit closer. We have enough of press control in Italy and we certainly do not need a self purported Jacopo Barigazzi to serve this kind of propaganda abroad. Why don't we ask the Neapolitans who do not live in the downtown area if the garbage is gone? His "promo domo sua" laws are seriously dangerous to a country that is trying to get up and start again.

    again.Too bad the opposition in Italy is worth nothing! Cheers

  • Posted By: buono e Giusto @ 08/12/2008 4:14:34 PM

    Dear all
    Berlusconi is just at the beginning.
    100 days are not enough to sort all Italian problems out.
    Just reading this comments you can understand that in Italy there is still the Berlin Wall and a civil war is in progress.
    Italians need to understand they all need to work for destroying corruption by sopping corrupting themselves.
    They need to understand they have to stop blaming others for their problems and start been honest ( and educated) over everything.
    Berlusconi is doing a gait job. Let him work for the future of our grand children as our country is scrued up for the next 2 generation by people like LUCONE.
    LUCONE shut up!

    • Posted By: Franky Laine @ 08/20/2008 3:58:57 AM

      put aside for a moment the fact that Berlusconi and friends are notorious for their business practices that in the Western world would be defined as white collar crimes and corruption. Their policies are even worse because they have incouraged and provided shelter such practices. But Italy before Berlusconi was incomplete...now is finished.

    • Posted By: mile87 @ 08/12/2008 4:52:24 PM

      I guess an example of the great job Berlusconi is doing is the way a prostitute arrested in Parma recently was treated, left naked and photografed. Good job indeed!!!!!

      • Posted By: goerz @ 08/12/2008 6:23:18 PM

        What you are trying to make us believe is that Mr. Berlusconi, or one of his Ministers, ordered those cops in Parma to strip naked that prostitute and to take pictures of her. You also imply that things like these could never happen if we were governed by enlightned Left technocrats. You are just making a fool of yourself..

        • Posted By: mile87 @ 08/13/2008 8:14:06 AM

          What I an saying that Berlusconi and maroni have created the invironment in which people can do what happened in Parma and believe it is Ok. Use your head!

  • Posted By: stefano rollero @ 08/12/2008 2:03:35 PM

    Silvio Berlusconi has countless processes that has blocked by law. I remember sentence for judicial corruption, its membership in the loggia secret P2, the illegal occupation of television, its members in parliament condemned, control the press. The list is endless as the damage suffered because its our country. The example of garbage in Naples is only picture show! The country has one of the lowest growth in the euro area, families are unable to live with salaries frozen, young precarious for life, Berlusconi wants Italy such as Argentina! We need a serious and responsible government to reverse this disaster.
    Stefan.

    • Posted By: JoeLimatola @ 08/12/2008 3:00:27 PM

      You are the typical Italian stupid. I think about myself not about Berlusconi. I don't care what he is doing for himself, I take care what he is doing for us and the reason why Berlusconi has this great success is for the opposition that is old, confused, stupid and very far from the real country. Full of intellectual and not of real people (they are so stupid that have taken an expert of movie that never worked in his life for defeating Berlusconi...so stupid...). We hope that in the future we will have a real intelligent opposition, but if the opposition is that we see now or person like you, probably Berlusconi will be realected for many times again...

      • Posted By: Franky Laine @ 08/20/2008 3:49:40 AM

        Joe does not care what Berlusconi is doing for himself, but cares what Berlusconi is doing for us.....so then what is Berlusconi doing for us? "Nothing" would be a positive remark...but Berlusconi's policies are damaging the country.....would you like to have him (or his friend) taking care of your money? For their "background" In many countries they would not be allowed to have a job or a child in custody...

  • Posted By: Franky Laine @ 08/19/2008 4:25:40 AM

    Is this a piece of journalism? This article does not state a single fact and is full of opinions, allegedly the author???s. This article states that in ???the first 100 days in office Berlusconi may have done the impossible???, and what is it? The Newsweek reporter says that Berlusconi government has an approval rating of 55%. This is the only fact, but without qualifications is senseless. Do you agree? So the author states that that rating is even higher than Zapatero in Spain, Brown in UK and Sarkozy in France. Wow!! The author ingenuously forgot to mention that to compare approval ratings at the beginning of the term (Berlusconi) with those in the middle is not fair. But that can be a debatable issue. But the author has also maliciously forgotten to mention that even Prodi (Berlusconi ???s predecessor) had a stellar rating at the beginning of his term. So what is it then for a prime minister like Mr Berlusconi who owns or controls all private and public television, who owns and controls the majority of the Italian press and who has the pleasure to have an opposition party whose main tactic is to attack those who try to demonize Berlusconi? I would expect a 90% approval rating.

    Then the author comes to his senses and highlight that the main act of Berlusconi government was to push a bill that provide immunity from prosecution to the top four national office holders (including him). However, the possible conflict of interest (only possible? Mr Berlusconi and friends have many pending cases) did not go by unnoticed (well it is a sort of word experiment that developing countries??? tyrants already want to follow and is unprecedented in the Western world) but Italians are to poor to pay attention. But what is important for the author and Newsweek is that Berlusconi government ???is delivering with an iron-fist-in-velvet-glove competence???, what is delivering the authors does not say. It is a miracle in 100 days, and for that all you need is faith.

  • Posted By: evening77 @ 08/18/2008 8:07:23 PM

    Yes you're right. The 3 TV are not the tool that will help Italy but I think they were the starting point for a right that must exist, together with a left, in a normal Country. Now we are ready to start as a normal country. After Berlusconi and Prodi. After Berlusconi the 3 TV with whom? that is the question that you have to ask yourself?

  • Posted By: GiovanniMeacci @ 08/18/2008 2:49:05 PM

    @evening77

    Yes, before the Berlin wall went down, in Italy, because of the communist party smiling to the soviet union, it wan not possible have democratic elections. After the wall fall down east germany riunify with west and become a democratic country. In Italy there were no such a physical wall, but the division was inside the society and went the wall went down Italy was completly messy, italians didn't take the chance history offered them to become a democracy.... and now we are where we are.... But about one thing you can be sure the Berlusconi's TV are not the tool that will help Italy to get rid of this situation, it can only make things worst and worst as did so far..... Bye !

  • Posted By: evening77 @ 08/18/2008 2:16:11 PM

    @GiovanniMeacci:
    I think that you have to wait forever :-( .
    About the 3 TV : without those TV no right parties in Italy, only left and a center (the main Italy problem was, I think, that since 1948 until 1994 same center men were into the government or into the mayority.
    Bye!

  • Posted By: GiovanniMeacci @ 08/18/2008 11:44:10 AM

    @ Mr Frank Fato
    Dear Fato,
    you are professor of political science but apparently you don't know that there is not freedom and there is not democracy in a country where the prime minister is the owner of 3 TV channels. Is not about left or right, is not about order, economy or the others issues people are talking about in the many comments here. It is about the basic principles of democracy. I'm not for the left and neither for the kind of right is now in Italy, I'm liberal and I will never accept Mr Berlusconi as a prime minister of my country. For my country I want freedom, democracy, rules, and legality. I don't want neither Silvio neither Walter, I want people that know what democracy is about, I want a new generation of italians make Italy a real democratic country for the first time in its history and give back Italy to the civilized world.

  • Posted By: Maxbal @ 08/17/2008 10:47:43 AM

    Dear Barigazzi,
    I wont just to remind you that:
    1) in the last 10 years of 0 growth Berlusconi and its coalition governened for more than 7 years (2001-2004 and 2006-to present). So may be they are for sure partially responsible of that, may be he (and Tremonti) had changed hes mind and in 100 days they partially "recovered" to they paasate mistake... but I'm not completely sure of that, since it seems to me that he's still more interested in its business.

    2) the electoral law the he "cannily exploited a 2005 electoral law that wiped out these small parties" was made in the 2003 and was the same that elected Prodi and its weak majority in 2004, so it has not clearly relevance in the fact that the smalls parties were wiped out of the parliament....

    thanks

  • Posted By: Paolav @ 08/17/2008 8:32:25 AM

    Who is Jacopo Barigazzi?

  • Posted By: evening77 @ 08/17/2008 8:28:07 AM

    @micky74:
    but it isn't justice that can block a return to '39 :-) . Politics have to do that. Politics and politicians are not the same things :-). Justice can't block politics. Justice and politics are powers that derived from people's agree(politics in a direkt way, justice, in the sense of the judicial power, by the rules set by Parliament. Yes, the Constitution, but Parliament can reform Constitution. Constitution contains rules about reforming itself. I don't remember that it contains rules about judicial power that can reform politics!). Politics can reform justice, justice can't do the same with politics :-). People can't change rules for judicial power in a direkt way. People votes politicians, that can do it. It's a little bit more complex(very clear rules into Constitution about reforming itself, not an easy way to do it. And it is a good thing)
    If people votes, Parliament can do everything that Constitution says that it can do or that Constitution doesn't forbid. Reform of justice is one of that things.
    The only thing that can control politics(and all other things) is the Constitution. Yes the laws, but the laws are made by Parliament. But the Parliament can change those rules, and can change the Constitution too.
    You can only say that you are not agree with the people that wrote it in 1946-1947. :-)
    At the end the only clear thing is that we didn't come back to '39 until now because people didn't want it(they didn't vote for the right until fascist ideas go out of the right political parties) and note that PCI, the communist party, never hadn't the most of seats into Parliament.
    People often choose in a right way. You have to have faith :-).

  • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/17/2008 5:29:18 AM

    @Evening
    Politicians are over justice? Ok then you have the country you deserve. Again the facts are Italy is drowning, so maybe having politicians that steal public money or making law for themselves is not that good, I do not know. And I guess Italy is in this condition maybe because 50% of Italians think that politicians must be left on their own and do what they want to do without any control. Anyway Italian constitution divided the power in 3 so political power can be controlled. If you do not control political power you come back to the 1939. And I guess is what Italy is approaching right now (is not only me looking at that....there are several editorials of important foreign journals pointing out Italy is maybe coming back to fascisms and also the catholic journal Famiglia Cristiana). Anyway until Italians will be divided on left and right, whilst politicians are doing their bussiness I think the situation is not going to improve. I hope the Grillo's Meet-ups are going to change things. These Meet-ups are made by young people that associate independently from right or left, just discussing idea. I hope that can change the status quo in Italy. They claim they will start from the municipalities. People going to the elections are free of court trials, they will maintain a blog where to discuss with the voters. That are good ideas indeed. I do not expecct that much from PDL, PD and so on, but a new way of politics is needed where people start to think with the informations they have and do not vote and forget then only complaining about taxes, salaries and so on.
    @Magica. I survived better, I managed to get out of Italy and I learned the salaries are much higher and social life is easier. Still I' m Italian and when people laugh at you still asking how is the mafia with Silvio Berlusconi, trust me, is not that good.

  • Posted By: evening77 @ 08/16/2008 9:39:21 PM

    @magica:
    I hope he'll change my life :-) . I don't worry if he takes care on changing my life. Berlusconi was premier from 2001 to 2006 and I'm still alive :-)

  • Posted By: evening77 @ 08/16/2008 9:33:51 PM

    @micky74:
    humans are humans, politics is like the people it represents, justice is made by humans so it could be wrong too, politics is over justice because polls is over everything. I think that.
    I think that people knows Berlusconi, but Berlusconi won, people knows that Berlusconi wanted to protect himself from prosecutions, but Berlusconi won. Why? Because people (almost the 50%) chose politics instead of justice. Yes, instead of justice.
    They think about our Country, only after that about Berlusconi.
    Fini can't unify Right, Maroni doesn't represent the most of "LEGA NORD". Veltroni (leader of PD) and D'Alema(one of the main member of the left of PD) continues in their disagreement about almost everything, in that way, i think, they destroy PD.
    Not a great future for Italy!

  • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 5:51:05 AM

    @FrancescoB

    That is instead a retturn to fascism. No one was criticizing the regime in 1939 and look what they did. Luckily every thing can be criticize, is thanks to people thinking like you Berlusconi is in charge right now. People that think we vote and then we forget, let him to do what he wants. If he doesn't lower the taxes we are going maybe to vote for the next. For the new Italy I would like people to pressure the gouvernement to do the best. In fact the PD is loosing votes day by day because judged inadapt to make a correct opposition. At least voters are thinking. Berlusconi voters do not care about what he is really doing. They do not criticize him, they just wait......this is the problem. This is why we had for at least 40 years Craxi and Co.
    Other nations have pros and cons.....ofc if another nation is running and you are poorer and poorer with a PIL at 0%, public debt at 100%, maybe something wrong has to be there!!

    • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 6:36:30 AM

      you absolutely don't know what you are talking about. The comparison Berlusconi=Mussolini is really absurd. I remember you that we have an italian State President that comes from the italian communist party (PCI) and that he approve in a public article the URSS's Hungarian repression for the pacific Revolution of 1956 (An estimated 2,500 Hungarians died, and 200,000 more fled as refugees). Micky this is the last time that I answer you because you don't give anychance of discussion. You are not able to discuss because you hate Berlusconi too much. You don't care about Italy, you care just about to put Berlusconi in prison (and trust me..I don't mind). As I said before, you are the typical italian voter from the left. But, I'm sorry for you, I'm not the typical supporter of Berlusconi.

      • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 8:22:01 AM

        I reported facts, internet site you can watch on. You are just making statements no one can look at. I'm not for the left, nor I'm for the right. I'm for good politics and this is not the case of Italy. Probably I will maybe support Fini, I wiould not support Bossi, but Maroni, I would not support Veltroni right now and I hope they continue to loose votes as they are doing to have a good exchange of political class.
        I hate Berlusconi for the following reason:
        1) He owns at least 95% of the media in Italy and the media is giving out a side information (about security, lowering taxes and so on) This is absolutely not true. I suggest you a site (http://italiadallestero.info/) is the information free of Berlusconi media.
        2) Dell' Utri is the founder of Forza Italia who is owned by Berlusconi. Dell' Utri was condamned for mafia and tthere are several facts supporting Forza Italia was made to support Mafia's interests in politics (see interview of Giovanni Falcone, wikipedia that reports the conclusion of several sentences).
        3) Berlusconi is what the P2 loggia's chief Lucio Gelli was idealizing. Berlusconi was associated to P2.
        4) Europe is giving a lot of fundings to Italy. Who you think is stealing that (and we talking about billions of euro)? The rumenians? The Africans? No is the mafia we have in the parliament. So Berlusconi in jail, mafia out of parliament and social laws to help the country and not Berlusconi's entreprises. I guess you can't reply since you haven't reported any fact!!!!

        • Posted By: maro @ 08/16/2008 9:43:32 AM

          Micky74, I fully support what you said (also because most of you said were facts not opinions). Indeed we need most researchers like you in Italy, and it's e real drama the killing of the excellent italian university due to last years reformfs.

          How can we get rid of mafia having mafia collaborators and criminals in our parliament? Berlusconi, Dell'Utri (condamned), Ciarrapico (condamned), Cuffaro (condamned) and more...
          Berlusconi=Mussolini absurd? I was not that one who was subscribed to p2, and its action program was clear: restor fascism. In a interview of 2003 Licio Gelli was happy because he was seeing the implementation of his action program. However, watching to facts, it seems that Berlusconi begun politics rather for its own interest (we all know that without "ad personam" law, now he wouldn't be unpunished). So how can we think he can have some interest to do something useful that it's not for him? (I'm not reporting facts because Micky74 and others just did).
          Are many of us too much blacked by hating Berlusconi? Sincerely, let me use a "latinism", "non me po frega' de meno" (it don't mind me at all). But sice 15 years he is using parliament as detached home for his lawyers, and since more time ago he is quelling italians mind with his televisions and newspapers (15 years ago we were on square when some influent politicians paid and received kickbacks, today we are like amoebas).

          • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 4:38:52 PM

            wow! you expose facts ? Let me search on Internet..OPS! I've found tons of cut that Prodi made to the university!
            http://www.lastampa.it/redazione/cmsSezioni/politica/200607articoli/8304girata.asp
            http://www.globalproject.info/art-9765.html
            sorry!! sorry!

            • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 6:29:05 PM

              I was against that politics as well. But they did not cut too much and made some laws to help young researchers under 30 years of age. Of course they were again in a situation controlled by both left and Dini- Mastella. They had to do what Mastella and Dini was ordering as well and they did not have any interest in taxing the big industries. In fact most of the center left were at the end angry because probably with such a small victory was better to come back to the vote. Please stop thinking about a fight left and right. Is a fight about different electoral law so every one is free to vote the person and not the parties. If you are going to vote for a Mafioso, then you take your responsability

  • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 4:31:30 PM

    By the way..Berlusconi is absolutely a person that make corruption and use (build) laws for his interest. But wait a minute...let's talk about the left parties friends:
    Prodi: president of IRI the worste state-owned industrial holding company called IRI. He managed a lot of privatisation in Italy...money..money...( he was investigated because wanted to sell to De benedett, an other left guy, SME for nothing http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicenda_SME). Then was investicated for the enormous quantity of money that he recived as consultant and the connection with Goldman-sachs http://effedieffe.com/interventizeta.php?id=2027&parametro=politica)
    Is connetted to the crack of Parmalat (he recived a lot of millions for his electoral campaign (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_Parmalat)
    D'Alema (left party Prime ex minister of Italy) : he recived from a mafia man, 20 milions of lira for financing the communist paty in Italy in 1985 but the gudge was not able to proced because (like Berlusconi) the crime is erased because too many years passes. (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_D'Alema)
    He lived for many years for free in an enormous aparmtent in the center of Rome (the apartment was given from a goverment istitution for poor people (managed from the left party like a lot of this "social" istitutions).
    ...
    To all the people that thinks that there are no fact against the left party...are you really sure?

    • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 4:57:02 PM

      Italians ....again....divided, suspicious..not focused on the real issue!

      • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 6:24:30 PM

        Never said there are no facts against the left parties. Even if Prodi was guilty I haven't seen any law out of his gouvernement to block the process against him. Only seen Berlusconi using his power for that!!
        Anyway the facts you are reporting indicates that both left and right are complemetly inadapt to be in the parliament, once again "la casta" we have now can not be left there. But, there is a BUT PD is loosing votes minth by month and only people like Bersani are gaining something. Berlusconi is still there with a huge power making laws for himself. We could not vote for the people since the law approved by Berlusconi has left to parties to honour to choose the people sitting in the parliament.
        Once again right now is not rightt or left. As I said I would probably appreciate ideas coming from Fini, Maroni and so on. I can not stand to laws made just for Berlusconi's companies by Berlusconi himself. Hope that could be clear now. I'm not for the left or the right, this is for stadium supporters. I'm for good politics and right now good politics is rapresented by Antonio Di Pietro. Why? He managed to do a good job in the gouvernement and right now his party doesn't have a single person who is in civil or penal trials,

  • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/15/2008 7:05:05 PM

    Concluding

    By the facts I have reported and the las experience you have had with Berlusconi. What makes you think he will solve the problems of money/jobs? He will for sure solve his problems weakining the legal system as he has ALREADY DONE IN 2001-2006. He solved his problem of Rete 4 that under EU law must free the frequencies, but is still there and Italy will pay the fine (is a lot btw). He has solved his legal problems for 5 years being immune to everything.
    Then what makes you think he will solve economical problems, when he had 5 years and a strong majority to do it and never done it? Can anyone that voted Berlusconi told me that you increased salary, found a job and bought a home in 2001-2006 period!!? If not, why people voted for him again? in other countries when a politician fail, they just get out of politics, in Italy they come back and people trust still on them!!!!!!

    • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 5:08:35 AM

      So who you think is capable of the miracle? Prodi? Or Antonio di Pietro that is famous just because continue that we must put in jail Berlusconi? By the way...you are in Spain...you run away from our country...why are you talking of Italy?

      • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 6:39:16 AM

        Because I'm working in research. As I told you they are cutting down the money for it financing instead Alitalia until october. Why should I stay in a country that pays me half of the other European countries? Here if I loose my job (and I work mainly with temporary contracts) I have a social security pension for few months until I can find another job. Another good thing is I get experience that can be spent in Italy, if Italy is going to finance people like me coming back from other countries....you know circulation of people and ideas in science is quite useful.....but can be you do not know since is not exactly the way an Italian thinks.

        • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 6:49:31 AM

          So stay there. You cannot talk about Italy if you don't pay taxes in Italy...bye!

          • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 7:00:50 AM

            p.s. now I know why you hate Berlusconi...because he cuts a lot of money for some fake research and to a lot of big professors in the University (that by the way are mostly from the left and contributes in the year to destroy the knowledge in the universities!)

            • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 8:45:24 AM

              Please again a stupid statement not supported by any fact. I want to see, law or whatever is telling he increased the money to reserach or some research as you are stating! Is it true or not they cutted the money given to 1) School, 2) Universities? 300 millions euro have been given to Alitalia and taken away from research. If you think that not investing in research is a good thing, I can understand why Italy is going to Argentina situation. If you look around Universities are given good scientists to the world. So University (which you stated is from the left ) is doing a real good job. The main problem is good people out of universities can not find a job, whilst in UK, Germany, France they can go out for 2-3 years (to make some experience and come back to their home country tto contribute to the growth). Give a look to Science, Nature (http://www.sciencemag.org/, www.nature.com) you will see the program of Wellcome Trust (UK) or Excellence Program (Germany). They pay a lot people to do research in their country. Big cities like Paris have their own way of financing researchers (http://actualites.ehess.fr/nouvelle2209.html), in Italy I reckon you will not find anything (the minister of education gives to an experienced researcher 1200 euro monthly to live in Paris.......how can you survive in Pariss with 1200 euro that is a big question.
              I pay taxes in Italy and I pay taxes in Spain. I'm Italian and that gives me the right to look at Italy and to criticize the way they are doing politics. Once again it seems you are brain-washed by Italian media. You just repeat common statements without any fact to support it, and when you see that you just say you can not discuss. I guess in every post I made I reported fact and ideas, independently they were from left or right. Who is gonna do the miracle? No one. Italy has to start from education. When laws will be respected by every one then you can have good politicians. You need ethic again (not only catholic one) which is completely lacking in Italy. Until the clever will be seen as the one to be imitated, I do not see bright skyes for the country! Anyway I hope people reading the comments will understand who was trying to build up a debate not bringing only builded phrases reported by Emilio Fede at Tg4.
              Good luck

              • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 4:50:55 PM

                just in Italy the university is held by the left. In all the country of the world the univerity is strictly connected with the capitalist power of the Corporation (right usually). This is the stupid thing...a Univerity disconneted fron the capitalism (becouse is baaaad) and professors from the left that say that they are no money for research! If you make research for business you'll have tons of money!
                Facts? Google articles and paste links are facts? auhahuuhauha

  • Posted By: micky74 @ 08/16/2008 6:33:06 AM

    @ Evening77

    This is a real good ppt presentation made by students reagrading economy in Italy. Sorry is for Italian speaking only. You can run it through internet, but it helps to understand what Berlusconi and Prodi did with the different form of taxation
    http://www.slideshare.net/geggi69/economia-italiana-un-confronto-per-le-elezioni-versione-aggiornata
    Again is not you have to vote left or right, is to know what they did on the contrary of what they claims to have done! Then you decide, but at least you have more informations to decide on

    • Posted By: FrancescoB @ 08/16/2008 3:54:48 PM

      No real evidence. Is a bounch of data that claims to be scientific and that is not

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