Miracle In 100 Days

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-politics: a government have to take less decisions as possible. and when it takes a decision, this one has to be not so clear(in this way everyone agree with it and none is happy for it). People are important, people voting are important, confused people are better than angry people. And above all TAKING A DECISION, in Italy, is fascism.
But sometimes Italy needs a decision. Someone has to take it. It becomes a fascist. Poor man :-).
No one can stay five years as premier, that is the regular lenght in Italy (it is DANGEROUS! it is fascism!).
If a political party has less than 5% it can block decisions of a party of 30%. It is democracy, right. But, if someone thinks : "why don't we change the election rule? Give to these little parties only a little number of seats into parliament, so the bigger parties can take some decision in short time." . This person is a fascist.
-justice: read about "TANGENTOPOLI" . After that, in Italy there is a bit of confusion between justice and politics. It's too long to explain. googling the word I wrote quoted, maybe you can understand. Summarizing, it was a big prosecution against all traditional political parties in Italy, that changed the politics into Italy. Now the politics is very very weak and the justice is very very strong. When a politician want to make justice less strong, taking some ideas from USA type of prosecution, american judges and prosecutor career, maybe now you know the end of my phrase : He is a fascist!

So those are the rules followed in my country. Good? However I forgot to say 3 things:

1- you can't know the truth about italy outside Italy. There are newspapers with left ideas and if you read them You'll think that Berlusconi is not good, and other with right ideas : if you read them Berlusconi does all in a perfekt way. The truth is always in the middle. Remember that!
2-Berlusconi take some decisions after years and years of nothing (read about Naples). I don't think he does always the best, but ,at least, he tries to do something( in Italy that happens not so often :-) )
3- the biggest left party Pd (Democratic party) isn't the same of the USA democratic party. It is made up by the post-communist party and the part of the vanished catholic party that was nearer the vanished communist party. So, I think that an american that votes Democratics doesn't like it very much :-)
-Last thing : Berlusconi wins with almost the 50%. 50% of stupid men and women?
Bye Bye. And sorry for my bad english.

I'm afraid but there is no fascism in italy, in the government coalition. Only a little of communism :-) into the opposition. Maybe in Usa cannot be a communist party but in italy yes. The name changes, the ideas remain the same :-(, here is a little list of these ideas (you can understand Italy reading the following lines):

- economy: economic nation problems can be solved only with more taxes. the problem is that applying this solution the deficit goes down 3%, a good thing (one of the UE most important rule for its members) but people have to close (shops for example) or to cut employes number.
-security: a criminal goes in jail, but very often he doesn't remain there for all the time established by the sentence but goes out before(often many years before). Yes, I think everyone must have a second chance but in Italy we exaggerate. Self-defence is often punished by sentences. The roads are full of women that sell their body but we can't punish them(I agree with that), they are used by criminals. We can't create places for them in the city, "it's ugly"(but Is the fact that children see them on the road ugly?Or not?).
Solutions are, probably, that criminals stay into jail almost all the time established by the sentence, and they go out only after a long long time of proved "goodness" :-) (Oh my god! No, that is fascism, in Italy). More police, more walking police(Oh my god! No, that is fascism, in Italy).
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Btw I'm living in Spain and today (august 14th) they have made something like 70 new laws as the economic situation is bad (they have grown only the 1.6%). In Italy there is not growth, but our gouvernement is on holiday and what have they done until here? Detaxed the extra hours at work (if you count that most of the young people are on temporary contracts without any "extra hour" you can see that clearly this is not enough. What are they doing more? Cancelling the tax on the first residence (ICI). Again young people are not able to buy an apartment, so ICI is not the main problem. Moreover this tax is the main tax for the Italian municipalities that have increased other taxes to get the same amount of taxes. Again the young people are the ones that suffer more from this. What do they do for temporary workers? What do they do for the research and the Italian university? Nothing....they cutted out the money to them to sponsorize Alitalia until october. Many universities (like Roma La Sapienza) have said they are not going to open this academic year. These are miracles? Well.....

In Italy there is the Fascism .. vi consiglio di dare un occhiata a questo sito (I suugest u to give a look to this site): http://thepiratebay.org/blog

Why Belrusconi has such support? You've cited two newspaper: il Corriere della Sera and il Sole 24 Ore. They are society listed on the stock exchange, but however they recive about 17 millions and 20 millions of euros a year from the state as postal facilities. Beyond ethical reasons (they're liberalism supporters), there is another reason to criticize those facilities. Such large contributions are a good way to control publishers. Obviusly, besides those medias there are those who are controlled directly by SB.
The fact that left party are likely they don't exist, makes Berlusconi more dangerous. Indeed, he's doing all he want without any kind of
opposition.
Some episodes, as recent tangents in Abruzzo health system reveal that maybe there is to much corruption between politics to think we can yet do something. Are we on footsteps of recent Argentina story?

Whether or not you like it, this article presents an indisputable truth: "Italians are feeling too poor to pay it much attention". Only the 20% (I don't have official statistics but it's a widespread belief) of the Italian population is interested into Mr. B's illegal affairs and less than 20% knows exactly his legal cases. So, in presence of an international crisis, with a Euro stronger than all and an inflation rate higher than ever, especially for commodities, Italian people are only interested in their billfolds. No matter what the lack of democracy, no matter what the "driven" press, no matter what who is Mr.B.
Noboy better than Mr.B is capable of translating into dreams and expectations Italian fears and pulsations: he's a dream seller and Italians need to be daily reassured that everything goes in the right, even if it's not true.
He totally failed in the five years of his second mandate and now has reconfirmed as Ministers the same people who played along with him. Such Ministers seem to be affected by personal hysterias: Tremonti is troubled by financial speculation which is, in his opinion, the main cause of the international crisis and of the price rising, Brunetta can hardly sleep because of lazy and slow public employees (right analysis, wrong treat: why hitting everyone instead of hitting only the liables? Let's remember public employees represent the ex middle class that now is turning into the poor class because of its massive exposition to wage cuttings), Scajola is now promoting a nuclear Italian era with a technology at the moment almost obsolete and we'll be able to exploit such energy in fifteen (?) years. No comment about Mr.B's "pupils", the Ministers Gelmini and Carfagna.
In a period of econimic crisis, mistrust and diffidence, we need Mr B tells us we are beautiful and rich. No matter what he is a liar.

Partially people vote for the right party because they are older and more conservative, partially because the right party has shown that they manage better some issue like economy and security. There is an other important factor: north vs south. Recent studies on the italian economic newspaper "il sole 24ore" have demonstred that there is an enormous quantity of money that goes to non efficent local administrations from south and "regioni a Statuto Autonomo" (region that in Italy are like little States). The federalist "lega" party won the election not just for these reasons (too easy blame on the ignorance of the norther voters but I've to admit that in left party goverment Prodi, noone of the minister was from north Italy). Lega wons for the ability to introduce itself in little local administrations and practice a good local govern (seems impossibile but they install a lot opf the little garder I was talking on my first comment).
So Lega and Berlusconi (and AN the real right party) now manage the power not only for the "terrible power" of the ownership of the television :) but becouse they are the only choice that an Italian have in this country. I would not call Antonio di Pietro a party. Antonio di Pietro is like Beppe Grillo (a popular comedian in Italy), a member of the new coming populist party. No plans no answers, just a big STOP! to the politicians in general (but more Stop for the right party ones) and most of all to Berlusconi.

Why people vote for Berlusconi? Easy old people (from 40 to100 years old) have only one way to stay informed: TV. No internet, no radio only TV. Few of them newspaper. Now you all know the fact that Italian TV and most of newspaper are owned by the Prime Minister (see phone contacts Berlusconi- Sacca' if you think that national television is nnot owned by him). My grand parents only watch TV and sometime read a newspaper. If you see electoral data you will see that young people (that now rely on the internet for news and facts) voted for the PD. Right now most of them will vote for IDV (Antonio di Pietro's party) or will not vote at all (actually the non-vote is the second party in Italy). So the voters got what they wanted....the main problem is that most of the voters are eldery people looking at their pensions for istances.......if we keep giving more money to people that retire and cut money for University and research.....I do not see bright skies. Is a fact that there are much more people over 60 in Italy that young people that can work. How do you propose to fix this? And if you want to get votes of course you have to say that you will increase pensions.....but this is against Italy future. In a typical italian family there is one- two child with a temporary work and 4 to 6 retired parents that have to be maintained. This requires a big effort and planification to be fixed, but you are not going against 6 potential voters, are you? So make the interest of the majority is not always the best for the future!!!

Zeitgest, I partially agree with you. In any case in Italy there are a lot of problems. The biggest one is not Berlusconi but the left party! Seems crazy but is this is the reality. If you offer valid alternative like in USA (maybe ;) people change and vote for an other leader like Obama. Here the opposition is able just to manage campain against the right party but not to manage the real life situations. Prodi prime minister and before D'Alema had clearly shown this lack. There are a lot of articles published by Panebianco, for example that take a quite nice portrait of the situation. So...again....all the people are against Berlusconi but he wins the elections. How comes? All the Italians are stupid? How comes thet the "lega" party ( a federalist party in Italy) took so many votes? Friends...lets open our mind and read the evidence...they are not the best solutions but are the solutions that the voters wants! Please please...read this comment not like a blind attack to the left party..and read again my first comment :)

The main problem is not to criticize Berlusconi. The main problem is the conflict of interest he has and the way he changed (or better transformed back to fascism) the Italian politics thanks to the money he has and the waste empire he is owning. If the center-right is going to give the prime minister to Fini or to Maroni, no problems at all to support good ideas! You still have to show me one single nice idea Berlusconi has had. A part from the "Lodo Alfano" so rapid to cancel his "legal" problems, I haven't seen much news about the economy. And about criticize........when the center-right started the liberalizations (welcomed by the general population) who was on the side of taxi drivers against the new laws? Yes Berlusconi and friends..... I will support every law Berlusconi and his gouvernment is going to do for the economy.....I have still to see one. So please do not talk about people that criticize Berlusconi as closed minded.......we are just looking the "propaganda" and having other ideas. Btw in every country of the world (do not know if in Africa and South America) if a Prime minister is suspected of being guilty in civilor penal process they just resign. Some of them just resigned before any civil or penal charge to be free to defend themselves in the courts. What did Berlusconi do? He made severla "ad personam" laws both on 2001-2006 and this time. So Berlusconi and friends (Dell' Utri and company) out of the Italian parliament and then we can discuss about ideas

Francesco yes, you are right, it is not Mr. SB is us.

In Italy there is no left or right. anymore. There is a bunch of tramps to be sent home, definitely, for ever.

And than there is a nation of ~50 million citizens to be educated (I guess ~10 % can be saved, and I am not with them).

This is the reason why I am giving constantly, everywhere, info to force people to be informed.

But there is also another aspect: what Mr. Barigazzi wrote on this magazine is not true. I provided evidence in this forum that the garbage problem is not resolved at all, it is even worse than before in my opinion.

About security and rise of crimes in Italy, it is hilarious to thank Mr. SB considering that he is N.1 responsible of this dramatic situation in the first place: he spent all the time when prime minister, during 2001-2006, to issue laws that could save him from jail, no matter if these laws set than free other thousand of criminals as side effect.

I prefer to skip on the economic situation, corruption, etc... Lies and demagogy. A person that made illegality, corruption and mafia connections his credo...... please!!

Therefore we have now evidence that Mr.SB long arm can reach also foreign newspapers and magazines, and can try to fool citizens from other countries.

Another sad news.

I hope that the sooner, all the honest people in this world, people that still believe in human rights, transparancy and democracy, will get their forces and resources together to definitely kick off all the guys like Mr. SB.

I am dreamer.

"Enjoys something of a honeymoon period with the electorate".
In 2007 87.5% of market share media was controlled by RAI (state-owned broadcast) and Mediaset (Berlusconi's broadcast):
http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fop08/CountryReportsFOTP2008.pdf
This means that now that Berlusconi is back to the power, he control much more then the 90% of information, because he also control newspapers and magazines.

"Emblematic has been his ability to clean up Naples".
What's your information source?
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=mtHnPYgEVJ0
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=z4XBJBMW6xk

To say that Berlusconi is a success in his first hundred days is like saying an executive chef plated the first course exceptionally well. This is his third go around at Prime Minister, so he should have some idea of creating a façade of success and accomplishments. What has he really done? He made sure to finally pass the bill that protects himself and his cronies from being prosecuted; moreover, a ???possible conflict of interest??? is ???possibly??? more understated than Italy???s economic woes. Bank of America predicts a 0.5 percent growth in the economy, but the Euro is the strongest it has ever been against the dollar, having nothing to do with the leadership of the newly elected Prime Minister. Berlusconi cannot run his companies legally, so what makes anyone think he will run the country any differently? It was reported that the refuse is being cleaned-up in Naples, but if you ask me it just changed locations, and now resides in Rome.

To anyone of Newsweek???s readers:
Please note that NOT of all italian people are Berlusconi???s voters, NOT of all italians are idiots. About 50% of italian people agree on claiming he???s a real opportunist liar, an awkward jocker, an enriched briber, a mass-media bucaneer who controls 95% of TVs, 95% of advertising market. Thanks