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  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/14/2008 3:14:24 PM

    Bush acts worried about other countries having nukes and yet provoke the nation that has nukes and a button to push. McCain will push the button.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/14/2008 3:12:49 PM

    McCain states that we should all be Georgians and "F" Russia. Georgia has paid for McCain to borrow him as their lapdog. McCain would say, "our nukes are bigger, so say something." This is the guy that will bring another World War. Let's stay in Iraq 100 years. Let's kill, kill, kill. McCain is Bush's BFF. McCain and Bush provoked Russia to enter Georgia.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 7:08:38 PM

    Have yet to hear a solid statement from any Republican as to why they would vote for more Bush policy in McCain. But then again, they know only spin. Republicans have Gestapo style policing and war mongers that enjoy making the rich richer and the poor poorer. There is no national security, no homeland security, no infrastructure, economy in shambles, gas prices unaffordable all under the GOP watch. Great job fellas and fellettes. But that's ok, like I said, McCain is imploding already and we aven't even had the conventions yet.

    • Posted By: Davole @ 08/14/2008 10:42:11 AM

      Cloudosmoke -

      Don't hold your breath waiting for "a solid statement from any Republican as to why they would vote for more Bush policy in McCain."

      Here, I'll "clue you in" - they know that McCain, as president, would deliver McCain policy.

      I agree with your assertion that Republicans definitely do know spin - they witness it every day as the wobbly Obama campaign spins its various policies and as a result, gradually loses the popular vote.

      As to your assertion that Republicans have Gestapo style policing - what have you been smoking lately?
      Hopefully it's not that same stuff that Obama has admitted using several times!

      Oh, by the way, has any investigative reporter bothered to ask Obama whether he still uses illegal drugs?

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 9:56:14 PM

      I can tell you why I'd vote for Mc Cain. Myself and everybody I know is doing very well financially and having low taxes has allowed our business and those I know to grow. Clinton left office with a recession, so did Busy Sr and so does Bush Jr. The economy is cyclical you big dummy. Democrats in Congress have lower approval rating than even Bush.

      Mc Cain will keep taxes low and not lose this country MILLIONS of jobs. NOT one Democrat has refuted this. What good does it do you if Obama gets us out of Iraq but you LOSE YOUR JOB?

      Please, if you're an idiot and those of you on here KNOW you are, go read an Economics 101 college text book. When taxes go up, JOBS and the economy slow down. We can't afford higher taxes now and considering the rich now pay 2/3 of all US taxes its more than fair. I say lower everybody's taxes to 20% with no deductions, THAT IS FAIR. If you make $50k you pay $10k and you net $40k. If a person makes $300,000 they pay $60,000 in taxes. Totally fair. There is NO need to charge the wealthy 1 % more than those who aren't.

      • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/14/2008 2:06:04 AM

        One, you're an idiot, the Clinton left America with a surplus. Two, we did not have a recession with George Bush's father, not even close. But now, we are definitely on the verge of one. The economy doesn't recycle, one president brings it down, or the world brings it down, or one major economy, and another brings it up. We cannot run our country on borrowed money, and that's exactly what Bush is doing( from China), and he's the only president stupid enough to lower taxes during war. I'm glad you're doing fine, but it's not helping a lot of the rest of the country. I'm not sure you noticed, but we're on the verge of recession. I mean, it's okay that you're self centered and don't care about anyone else but yourself, but it's only bringing down the rest of the country.

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 10:11:56 PM

        You have nothing to state except bigotry and ignorance. You exposed yourself on the boards as a lie by stating that you were a Hillary supporter and suddenly you are against her and her husband. You are a confused little she-man. Your statements are nada. Take your hormone pill and take a nap.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 10:20:11 PM

          Ignorance? LOL you know nothing about anything! You can't grasp economics, supply and demand, the effect of taxation on the economy and jobs. You are one of the top 3 biggest idiots on these boards. I'm not a bigot and have no hatred towards any race, sex, creed, or even sexuality.

          What I do hate is STUPIDITY. I hate people with no morals who feel it is OK to steal money out of other people's pockets. Obama will cost me $200,000 to $250,000 more in taxes in just 4 years. That's INSANE as I already probably pay 20 TIMES more taxes than you do. Tell me how that's fair. I'd get NOTHING out of this either. I'd rather go up to 250 people and give them $1,000 each at least I'd get some positive emotional feelings from that! Obama is NOT smart, his policies are ridiculously stupid and will HURT America. Higher taxes hurt the economy, will KILL 3 to 5 million jobs and push capital and jobs overseas. His energy policies are not as thought out as Mc Cain's DO EVERYTHING policy. We need to drill to get the futures markets to lower the prices, we need nuclear, wind mills, solar, and other green sources. Militarily he was wrong about the surge and the only reason we will be soon bringing troops home is that we will have won the war.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/14/2008 10:27:38 AM

    The truth behind TAXES and how many who THINK they are paying THEIR fair share are not even close!

    For 2007 there were 138,893,908 tax returns filed which brought in 1,366,241,000,000 in money. If you divide the total by number of tax payers the number is $9,836.58.

    So for all the Democrats on here who want the rich to pay their fair share I turn it AROUND on you and ask you did you pay $9,836.58 or more?

    I did. I paid a few hundred over $107,000 last year. This is 10.8 TIMES MY FAIR share. So you can understand why or how I get disgusted when people say the rich need to pay more. I disagree, give us a 50% tax break and YOU NEED TO STEP up and do your fair share you free loaders!

  • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/12/2008 12:46:01 AM

    Obama and Clinton should go their seperate ways! Obama should win on his own, he doesn't need or want Clintons help. Thats fine, He should pick John Kerry as his running mate. Kerry should replace Bill Clinton at the convention and make the speech. Al Gore could take Hillarys place. Why have the Clintons making speeches at all!!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 11:13:45 AM

      Obama realizes he needs the Clintons desperately. Your opinion is not necessarily the opinion of Hillary democrats

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 11:36:09 AM

        No he doesn't -- he's been forced to let them even appear at the convention, and hasn't made any effort to mend fences, making commitments he had no intention of following through on with regard to helping HRC retire her campaign debt, for example.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:48:40 PM

          How was he forced to allow them to speak? I won't even touch the debt comment!

          • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 5:49:36 PM

            Do you know it's customary to retire the other candidate's debt? That Obama's supporters are maxed out so the only way they can help is to pay down Sen Clinton's debt so that her Hillraisers will donate the max to Obama? I am constantly amazed at the lack of full understanding of the process. And if you'd like to hear it straight from Hillraisers I'll give you the link again. I gave it to you further up. Please read it. That's all.

            http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/07/face-to-face-wi.html

  • Posted By: giovannis @ 08/12/2008 1:58:04 AM

    Don???t let the media play you against the Clinton's. We all need each other to win landslide in November. One isolated incident by Bill should not be a ground for unnecessary conflict within the party. That will be a great gift for the republicans and doomsday for us, who hopes change for the better future. One thing should be clear, that the Clinton???s shouldn???t make any precondition for their participation. That is equally their party and the win is theirs too.

    • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/12/2008 2:06:31 AM

      Its not an isolated incident Obama said that about Bill Clinton to take votes away from Hillary! The DNC did everything in their power to make sure Obama would win. The DNC divided the democratic party.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/12/2008 3:33:25 AM

        Don't blame the DNC for Hillary losing, she lost because she ran a poor campaign

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 8:33:07 AM

          Ditto. And Hillary opened her mouth once too many times against Obama. She even hinted she believed he was Muslim when asked in that television interview. The Kenyan native dress photo that surfaced- that came from the Clinton camp. The darkened photo of Obama-again, Clinton camp.

          • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 10:27:44 AM

            Pia where is your proof? You ask that all the time of those who post things about Obama, so prove that HRC had anything to do with that photo surfacing, and Fact check debunked your claim about HRC campaign darkening the photo.

            Why are you goading HRC supporters? How does that mend the rift Obama has created in the Democratic party? What happened to your olive branch? Are you really scared that the demand for a roll call vote won't end up the way the DNC planned it?

            It is a convention, not a coronation, no matter how much Obama would like to be king of the DNC.

            HRC supporters should follow Obama's lead and become republicans for a day in November. McCain won't run for a second term and he couldn't do anything without congressional approval.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:27:21 PM

              Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear

              The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.

              The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"

              The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder.

              The Clinton team hit back at the criticism today, saying Obama's team had turned the picture into a row to distract attention from a foreign policy speech she gave today.

              The Obama campaign has repeatedly claimed it has been the target of dirty tricks by the Clinton team. A senior member of her staff, Bill Shaheen, had to resign last year after raising Obama's admitted use of marijuana and cocaine as a youth.

              A junior staffer resigned in December after forwarding an email suggesting Obama is a Muslim. In the South Carolina primary last month, Bill Clinton made race an issue.

              link to article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

              • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 1:32:59 PM

                This is a third person account which does not quote a source, and does not attribute circulation to a decision made by Clinton, and focuses on claims made by the Obama camp instead of proof that HRC had anything to do with this.

                And Bill didn't make race an issue, Obama did. Bill Clinton's "fairytale" remark was about Obama's claim that he opposed the war when in fact he was not a senator at the time and was not voting. It had nothing to do with race.

                • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 5:45:01 PM

                  No one knows or had proven where that photo came from. Some have been suggested it was put out there by Obama's own camp. As is? Anonymous. And really why does any of that matter now? Obama is the presumptive nominee. People are supplying you evidence to show you what they are frustrated by and it always gets back to Clinton. It's not about Clinton. It's about how Obama treated her - whether you found something offensive is not what matters - it's what her supporters think. And the fact they keep pointing it out and then links aren't followed serves only to aggravate. And there's the bringing up what Clinton did, which no longer matters, and if all else fails attack the poster by calling them names. How often does someone come back after personally attacking a poster and say I checked that out and it was true?

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:45:39 PM

              HRC supporters should follow Obama's lead and become republicans for a day in November. McCain won't run for a second term and he couldn't do anything without congressional approval
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              See this is what I do not understand about you and your other coup member. You KNOW and ADMIT that McCain will be a bad president, you feel that the Dem Congress will keep him in check. So you are will ing to deliberately help to vote in a BAD PRESIDENT TO PROVE SOME SORT OF POINT because in your opinion McCain will ether be such a bad president or will be sitting in the Oval Office drooling that Clinton will be a shoe in for President in 2012. And yet you accuse Obama supporters of being divisive.
              Seriously!

              • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 1:08:24 PM

                No, I don't vote for McCain out of spite, I will vote for the candidate I think will do the best job and the least harm.

                We can't afford to let Obama divide our country the way he has divided the democratic party.

                I can't see how a man who admits using cocaine for years would be a better candidate. Obama doesn't have any accomplishments and has never done anything for anyone but himself. There is no reason I can think of to vote for him.

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 1:47:52 PM

                  You wrote: We can't afford to let Obama divide our country the way he has divided the democratic party.
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                  Again, I ask you how exactly did Obama divide the democratic party?

                  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:53:00 PM

                    90% of blacks voted for Obama -- he ran a racist campaign "vote for me because I'm black" even if he didn't say it overtly. It was clear that was what he was doing.

                    Obama blamed the old for all the country's problems and offered the young financial incentives to vote for him -- free college education, $1000 stimulus checks, tax cuts for low income (entry level) individuals, while increasing the tax liability for older people.

                    Obama dissed HRC's personal accomplishments by saying she was only the first lady, and that being first lady didn't qualify her any more than him to be POTUS. And he used her first name when he isn't that friendly with her, taking a tone of male superiority which was further exemplified when he called the female reporter "sweetie" and spent so much money lying about Hillary. And he wooed republican cross over votes to defeat her in the primary by catering to their anti-feminist tendancies.

                    And he has done nothing to mend the rift created by his campaign against HRC, leaving us divided on sex.

                    He said centrist democrats who would not vote for him were "clinging to their guns and Bibles" and didn't know what was in their own best interests. How much more condescending can he be?

                    To win the nomination, Obama had to divide the party, and he didn't care. He still doesn't care. All he cares about is himself. He won't even allow a roll call vote because he doesn't want to be reminded how close he came to losing it, and would have lost it if the DNC hadn't put the fix in with FL and MI.

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:36:41 PM

              Pearson, I am not goading Hillary supporters, so please stop putting words in my mouth, counsellor. We are not in court here.. Some of the Hillary supp. are the ones who keep bringing up the same ridiculous and desperate accusations against the nominee of the Democratic party. Finger flipping? How silly can one get? You adults are immature, you behave like spoiled children who can't have their way. Time to grow up.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:40:04 PM

              Clinton Negative Attacks Obama


              Replacing White Men in Suits With White Woman in Suits???
              Karen Kisslinger | Posted 03.05.2008 | Politics

              I'm sad that our first woman candidate for President has felt it necessary to practice "old boy" politics at its meanest and slimiest, and I'm sure I haven't "seen anything yet"; I know it will get worse

              link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/clinton-negative-attacks-obama




              NY Times assails Clinton for negative campaign


              NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York Times, which endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, sharply criticized on Wednesday what it called her negative campaign against Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination.

              link: :http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/6536

              There are tons of information on the net!

              • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 1:30:18 PM

                How about links to the actual comments Clinton made instead of opinions about what Clinton said or did, just as I posted the link to Obama giving Clinton the finger so people could decide for themselves whether he was being disrespectful or not.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:29:37 PM

              Here is the article from the Drudge Report

              CLINTON STAFFERS CIRCULATE 'DRESSED' OBAMA
              Mon Feb 25 2008 06:51:00 ET

              link: http://drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

          • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 11:12:38 AM

            No she didn't, and there is no point in twisting her words. There are plenty of remarks Obama made that could be misconstrued to mean something much worse. Very counter productive comment

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:32:10 PM

              News, Hillary could havend should have replied when asked about Obama being Muslim in the interview, that no, she did not think he is Muslim. She didn't. She even hesitated before answering the question as if she wasn't sure. I am not twisting her words. It is what is it.

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 4:05:26 PM

                http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Taking_Obama_at_his_word.html

              • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 3:45:24 PM

                Keep up the Hillary bashing and you'll be listening to the words "I John McCain, do solemnly swear"... Hillary answered no to that question being asked three times, and I don;t know why she was asked at all.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 8:30:08 AM

        cobalt, do you truly believe what you are saying? How old are you btw?

        • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 10:23:06 AM

          ageism again Pia?

        • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/12/2008 10:18:47 AM

          Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Opinions vary! Also the how old are you comment really does not do anything.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:23:02 PM

        cobalt,

        What exactly did Obama say about pres. Clinton that was negative?

  • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 3:07:46 PM

    It is perplexing that in an article about how Obama needs the Clintons, there are a number of Obama supporters trashing the Clintons and calling Hillary supporters names on this blog. Obama needs the Clintons. To think otherwise is potentially divisive, short sighted, and arrogant

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 3:31:27 PM

      News,

      So you are obviously ONLY reading selective posts specifically by Obama supporters to make such a claim.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 3:36:59 PM

        That is correct, but I find it perplexing none the less.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 3:49:53 PM

          So you just totally ignore the posted criticizm of Obama by Clinton/McCain supporters, that is rather one sided.

          • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 4:24:01 PM

            The claim I made was limited to Obama supporters trashing Hillary, since that is counterproductive to his cause. I acknowledge the comments have gone both ways, and Hillary supporters who don't like Obama out of spite perplex me as well. Dialogue about legitimate Obama concerns are fine, and in the context of this article responding to claims Obama doesn't need the Clintons is fair game. McCain supporters are likely to criticize Obama anyway, so that isn't perplexing. However, name calling and hostility are never necessary.

            • Posted By: legume @ 08/13/2008 10:05:28 AM

              especially when you want people to vote for your candidate.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/13/2008 1:51:42 PM

                OK, I have responded to this question several times and always from a Clinton supporter. If you are immature enoug to base your decision regarding who to vote for one comments by posters on these message/opinion boards that makes you not very bright.

                I am on these boards daily and I read the comments and make my responses but in the end nothing that anyone posts will influence my decision regarding who gets my vote. Your statements sounds like some sort of lame excuse that you are using to justify voting for McCain. Allow me to enlighten you, you do not need to make up silly reason for voting for McCain. If he is who you admire and trust and feel that he is the best person to respresent this country, then go for it. Stop making lame excuses!

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 4:30:58 PM

                  Great comment, thank you Seej! IMO, this supporters bashing is more nonsense from the anti-Obama's

                  • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 4:35:49 PM

                    Prove something I wrote was wrong.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 4:42:24 PM

                      You are here to be obnoxious and disruptive. Good thing school is back in session next month. Off you go..behave..

                      • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 5:32:56 PM

                        I've noticed that's what Obama fans say when the truth is presented to them. They attack the poster and/or the opponent and wind up saying things like the above. How exactly am I being obnoxious or disruptive? I am rebutting with facts. And if you have the time to insult me -- why not prove me wrong?

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/13/2008 1:55:07 PM

              OK, thanks for clarifying. But I still do not understand or agree with the argument that what I post anonymously should influence how someone uses their right to vote, this just sounds really immature and lame. People should be able to make intelligent decision based on their beliefs and what they are comfortable with not what strangers say or post. I will never understand this as it in no way applies to the way that I live my life. I always think for myself and take full responsibilities for all of my decisions.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 4:28:01 PM

                Seej, this is exactly how I feel. One should support their candidates on the issues not on whether their supporters get along on a message board. It is, however, possible you and I are missing something with this?

              • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 2:27:39 PM

                This blog is one of many, many tools that an undecided voter can use to acquire and share information, and every tool one uses can provide influence.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:55:04 PM

            Seej, yes he does totally ignore. What he also has been doing is criticizing me for defending Obama from posters like Careerdaytrader who posted that he/she hates Obama. He/she also posted "who cares about the war, idiot" to another poster and when I called Careerdaytrader on it, News and Notes accused me of name calling. News and Notes is onesided. Certainly not on Obama's side.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 1:00:54 PM

              I have concerns about Obama, and this article is about how Obama needs the Clintons. I'll leave it up to Obama supporters to call attention to Obama bashing. I'm calling attention to Hillary bashing. I am, however, undecided, and am still willing to be persuaded by Obama supporters.

              • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:21:45 PM

                Don't hold your breath.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 4:24:01 PM

                News and notes, please explain to me how you can say that you are 'undecided' yet you are calling out the Hillary Clinton bashers but not the Obama bashers. Thank you.

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 4:49:59 PM

                  There is no point to Hillary bashing. She is not a candidate. This article is about how Obama needs the Clintons.
                  Obama supporters can defend Obama, and McCain supporters can defend McCain. I am undecided.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 1:00:17 PM

          I find your onesidedness perplexing.

          • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 1:07:38 PM

            What do you mean? Most people are one sided. Actually I'm no sided at the moment, but since the context of this article is specifically about Obama needing the Clintons, I'm being a Clinton advocate

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 1:06:33 PM

        Seej, I think News and Notes with their 'holier than thou' demeaner is here to try and sabotage Obama supporters thus reducing our credibility. Hotstuff once posted this poster's name alongside NotStupidInAlabama and a few others who are anti-Obama all the way. Hotstuff thought he is one and the same.

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 1:14:48 PM

          Holier than thou? Where did that come from? One in the same? There is nothing personal here. This is a discussion stemming from an article about how Obama needs the Clintons.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:25:16 PM

            News, you stated in a post to me that you were witness to the blogs during the primaries and that the Obama bashing back then is only my opinion, not a fact. Well, then if you were visiting the blogs and did not see the bashing what were you doing? How could you not have? The bashing was all over these blogs. I think you are a Clinton advocate and refuse to see the truth. You should be supporting your candidate based on his/her policies not whether or not Hillary supporters get along with Obama supporters. If we Obama supp. don't get along with some of the Hillary supporters, once again, it is because they have villified him daily, accused him of having stolen the nomination, accused him and his wife Michelle of being racists, accused them of being terrorist supporters, accused Obama of having made an unacceptable gesture with his finger to Hillary Clinton, accused him of having had sex with another man and while doing drugs and so forth. If you haven't seen any or all of this I speak of, you are either in denial or you didn't read the blogs like you say you did. I do respect you, I just don't agree with you.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 5:05:41 PM

              We can respectfully disagree and I enjoy spirited if not heated debate. However, I do not "refuse to see the truth", nor am I "in denial". The comment you had made that "many Hillary supporters hate Obama" is what provoked my response and my decreased willingness to be conciliatory. With a presumptive nominee in place, I am interested in learning more about the Clintons' role in the process going forward.

    • Posted By: legume @ 08/13/2008 10:02:21 AM

      they have nothing else to debate and have no clue, as does not barry, that they are directly incensing more clinton supporters. says alot about barry supporters and hiw little understanding they have of the situation,

  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 08/12/2008 4:38:42 AM

    And that Obama flipping off Hillary crap or whatever, lie number two.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 8:24:56 AM

      Yes, the finger flipping nonsense Obama was accused of, was another ridiculous and desperate attempt from some of the Hillary supporters. They whined and complained for weeks over it. They posted youtube links to the supposed video which was probably fake. Sore losers. Obama never made any' finger' gesture to Hillary. All Obama did was scratch his nose.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 6:13:36 PM


        So tell me, how do you explain . . . as Obama pauses in his words and, brings his middle finger up to his face . . . why the crowd yelps. . . timed exactly when he is supposedly just SCRATCHING.his face? And how many people use their middle finger to scratch their face. I just tried it and it is awkward. Puleeeze. I think you just have to accept it and get this guy off his pedestal. Like I hear some Obamabots hear . . you know, he is not perfect. Well this is a great example.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM


        • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 5:20:36 PM

          And consider the timing. It was the day after his trouncing in the ABC debate.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFajPWqmaCI&feature=related

          And then he dusts off his shoulders and wipes off his shoes like he stepped in shite. You may not chose to believe it - but the crowd sure did. Use their reactions as fellow Obama supporters to gauge the truth with your own eyes.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yel8IjOAdSc&feature=related

          You don't believe his intent then you're not clued into his audience.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:11:10 PM

        Hi P,

        Honestly sometimes on these boards don't you get the feeling of being in elementary school and dealing with a group of petulant children? I was under the false impression that adults really didn't act this way. I was wrong!

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 6:55:36 PM

          Hi Seej. Yup, are def. dealing with little children.

        • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/12/2008 12:40:53 PM

          That explains your comments and views, you are still in elementry school. Thank you for letting us know!

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:22:50 PM

            As we all can see, you are either in grade school or just plain immature.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 1:06:04 PM

            Do you know how to read?

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/12/2008 12:41:00 PM

          Me too. I can't believe it. I came here because USA Today was ridiculous, but this site has almost the same loonies. I'm not sure, but I think they may be the same bloggers.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 11:03:44 AM

      Watch it for yourself:
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pdKwBkDowU

      Obama hasn't used his middle finger to scratch anything else. Pretty clear what he was doing IMO.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:24:57 PM

        Pearson, I have always regardedyou as a very intelligent person even though you and I do not agree on anything.. so why would you believe this finger nonsense ?

        • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:39:30 PM

          We agree on some things Pia, sunsets are beautiful, a properly chilled white wine is delicious, bubbles in champaign tickle the nose, and high priced women's shoes will hurt women's feet. Children deserve attentive and involved parents, schools have a responsibility to teach more than reading and writing and math, we should care for our elderly and poor and provide adequate health care for all, the list is probably quite long.

          But Obama giving Clinton the finger is not nonsense. If he used that finger to scratch himself on on other occasions I might find it a simple matter of opinion, but everything Obama does on stage is choreographed, because that is how he deals with his stutter. It is why there are so many pauses in his speeches.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 6:53:59 PM

            Pearson, very nice comments thank you, but I of course disagree on the finger flipping as always.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 6:06:30 PM


      So tell me, how do you explain . . . as Obama pauses in his words and, brings his middle finger up to his face . . . why the crowd yelps. . . timed exactly when he is supposedly just SCRATCHING.his face? And how many people use their middle finger to scratch their face. I just tried it and it is awkward. It is what it is. A disrespectful act on Obamas part.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM



  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 2:43:29 PM

    Kryptonite is to SUPERMAN as TRUTH and FACTS are to Democrats.

    There is no arguing facts with Democrats. They are non thinking, purely gut instinct, purely emotional creatures who are voting more AGAINST BUSH (Beavis or Butthead would be preferable to most on here vs Bush, haha just probably using your favorite show growing up).

    Upset about your life? Blame the Republicans who went to college, work hard, save their money, invest it, create jobs, create massive wealth that you can only dream of, etc, etc. Just because the top 10% pay 66% of all the taxes, heck lets tax them even MORE! Give ourselves FREE Health Insurance, FREE College, heck lets pass a law and give ourselves FREE BIG SCREEN TV's. I'm sure that will be Obama's next BRIBE to you all. You all make me sick. Your lack of morals and values are disgusting. I believe in an America where smart, hard working people get ahead. And they do!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 5:14:16 PM

      Your second to last sentence makes sense, and a small percentage of the far left wing fringe of the democratic party may be described in a similar manner to the way you did.
      However, Bush has, by most accounts, been a terrible president. In addition, most democrats, are decent, hard working, family and faith oriented, peaceful, fair minded, generous, non-judgemental, and compassionate people; just like most republicans and independents.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 5:12:24 PM

    Although I'm a die hard Clinton supporter there are MANY more reasons than wanting her to win in 2012 to vote for Mc Cain.

    1) Taxes - Lower taxes do lead to more jobs and I'd rather keep as much money as possible and decide myself how our family spends it. Call me Pro America and pro business. It's a total lie that Obama spreads that corporations don't pay their fair share. As a small business owner in top tax bracket this offends me. Exxon paid 9 BILLION 302 MILLION in taxes. The top 5% wage earners pay 50% of the tax bill and top 10% pay 63%! The poor and middle class aren't the ones paying taxes or their fair share. So as Obama says "If it truly is an issue of fairness why he is raising taxes do it accross the board. We all pay the same %." That's the only fair tax system and eliminate deductions. Everybody pays 20% thats fair.

    2) Military - Stop being panzies, the war will be over before you know it, 1.5 to 3,4 more years. As a daughter of a Marine who passed away from cigarette smoking I want to honour his memory and not give up on the men and women who have died. We were ATTACKED on 9/11 and while I don't agree Iraq was the right thing to do in the LONG RUN having a democracy in the middle east will NOT hurt the US it will HELP us. So lets be pragmatic !! We're going to put in the biggest TAXER the US has ever known because we're mad about the war? That doesn't make sense. JOBS here in the US make sense! Hillary would have built jobs in the US, I believe Mc Cain will but OBAMA will lose us 3 to 5 million jobs during his tenure.

    3) Obama doesn't respect women at all and how he treated Hillary and other women while on the trail is a large part why neither I nor our rapidly growing group will support him. We will do whatever we can to bring this idiot down!

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/13/2008 1:32:44 PM

      You wrote: 3) Obama doesn't respect women at all and how he treated Hillary and other women while on the trail is a large part why neither I nor our rapidly growing group will support him. We will do whatever we can to bring this idiot down
      **********************************************************
      C UNT!
      TROLLOP!
      JOKES ABOUT CHELSEA!
      MULTIPLE RAPE JOKES FROM HIM AND HIS FRIENDS!

      The above definitely trumps:
      Calling Clinton by her first name (I still do not understand how this was perceived as being disrespectful as Clinton on several occasions called Obama by his first name, but some people have to find something to B itch about)

      Calling a reporter Sweetie!

      Yet you claim that Obama's disrespect of women is one of the reasons that you and the other women like you will not vote for him. YES DEFINITELY A VERY INTELLIGENT POST! PITIFUL!

      • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 3:27:29 PM

        sjpersonal @ 08/13/2008 13:32:44
        "YES DEFINITELY A VERY INTELLIGENT POST! PITIFUL!"

        Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 15:32:48
        "Yes, but civility works both ways."

      • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:13:29 PM

        "I still do not understand how this was perceived as being disrespectful as Clinton on several occasions called Obama by his first name,"

        They both have the title Senator and as such can call each other by their first names. It's an issue with the MSM and others. She is Senator Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Clinton. Not Hillary or Mrs Clinton. Titles take precedence over Mr or Mrs. Perhaps you will understand why Clinton supporters refer to Sen Obama as Barry. Haven't you written his name isn't *Barry* and he deserves respect?

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/12/2008 6:40:03 PM

      Ummm.... excuse me, but there was a General Accounting Office report noted in today's newspaper (AP report) documenting that 66% of U.S. corporations paid NO taxes between 1998 and 2005 and 68% of foreign countries doing business in the United States paid NO taxes. The little blurb in our sleepy hometown Florida newspaper also noted that the non-taxpayers reported collectively "trillons" in sales. Somehow, I just don't think $0 is any solvent corporation's "fair share" of the tax burden.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 9:09:28 PM

        Listen you are an idiot. Exxon paid 9 billion 302 million quarter 1 this year. Many corporations are S corps and this are PASS thrugh income. The corporation pays $0 taxes but the individual or individuals who own the S corp pay the taxes. God you Democrats are soooooooooooooooo STUPID!

        • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/13/2008 6:49:24 AM

          Because they all take Commie 101 in college. No Business. No U.S. Govt. No Accounting. Just Commie 101 and Horticulture....so they can learn how to grow pot indoors.

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 7:47:26 AM

            Spirited away you are soooo right. A few months ago if you told me people in the US are THIS STUPID I wouldn't believe you! Now I know, and this ignorance of the truth and their willingness to believe everything the Democratic party tells them and the liberal media tell them is the cause. They are unhappy with their pathetic little lives and regret partying in high school or not going to college and are obviously too dumb to get real jobs that have health insurance or start their own companies.

            One more time for the idiot Mimi. S corps are what the majority of small businesses use. There are MILLIONS small companies out there and the income is passed THROUGH to the owners. So yeah the corp pays no taxes but the taxes are paid! My business partner and I both paid over $100,000 in taxes last year, paid YOUR fair share too since you are not qualified to make anything of yourself obviously based on the ignorance you spout in here. I read that article you mentioned and it says the same thing, LEARN to read you moron!

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/13/2008 12:27:49 PM

              Here's a test question for you.
              Are people who call other people stupid more likely to be stupid themselves?
              Your points are baseless and factless. You try to use numbers to describe people and it can't be done that way. Your assertions are that somehow the Dem party, which you lied and said you belong to, is somehow responsible for the failing economy, tax issues and the war. Stop calling other bloggers names. You're not unique, your pale and bland with expected demeaning.

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 2:28:28 PM

                I don't feel that EVERY body on here is stupid. Just those who believe that raising taxes, Obama's plan will STIMULATE the economy and that while rasing taxes he is also going to create MILLIONS of jobs.

                This is absurd and anybody who believes this is TRULY STUPID.

                There are legitimate reasons to vote for Obama ( IF you don't mind taxes going up and millions of jobs being LOST, hopefully not YOUR JOB! )

                1) You're black and want a black president.
                2) You're white and feel guilty that your ancestors had slaves.
                3) You're Muslim and want a Muslim president.
                4) You hate Bush and the Iraq war and want anybody else, Beavis or Butthead would do!

                Only reasons to vote for Obama. He fails on Taxes, Fails on Economics, he will destroy our country with a health care reform as it will lose millions of jobs and we'll be turned into high unemployment Europe, he Fails on Energy policy ( checking your tire pressure is not going to do anything). and I could go on and on.

                Oh yeah his experience. Lawyer, worked the streets of Chicago and neither the educational system, employment amongst the poor, nor CRIME was improved while he did this thus he failed at that too.

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 9:41:17 PM

        That report was talking about corporations that were reorganized as Sub S ESOP's (Employee Stock Ownership Plans) which are a retirement plan and therefore not subject to taxes. C corporations are all, 100% subject to taxes.

        • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/13/2008 1:50:55 AM

          Nope. nope, nope. You are wrong. Since the newspaper in my sleepy little Florida beach town carried only three paragraphs on the GAO report, I went looking for a more authoritative source. I hope you trust the Wall Street Journal:

          "The Government Accountability Office also found that in a given year at least 60% of all U.S. corporations studied -- which also includes many smaller companies -- reported no federal income-tax liability during the period studied, 1998 to 2005.

          "The study didn't reach any conclusions about why so many corporations reported no tax liability. But prior research has looked at the gap between the earnings that companies report to their shareholders and the smaller profits they report to the Internal Revenue Service

          "In the study, the GAO analyzed samples of Internal Revenue Service data covering both publicly traded and closely held corporations, including U.S.-based and foreign corporations operating in the U.S"

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/13/2008 12:21:48 PM

      You called Dems "Idiots" more than once. That would make you the typical Rep plant right?

    • Posted By: collymore @ 08/12/2008 7:42:15 PM

      food for thought,have you ever seen america win a war in which the enemy did not wear uniform? are you just going by the nonsense that other people spew out of their lying lips? this so call war is unwinable just like the war on drugs. too much money,too many players, too many agendas,all intangled together. take a look at the working of foreign governments and you will see why america needs a president who is diplomatic. take a look internally,russians, europeans,chinese, indians,suadis now own some of the beat real estate in america do you think this is by coincidence? yet not one shot was fired. stop griping about taxes, give unto ceasear what is ceasear's and unto god what is god's, beacause like it or not they will continue to buy up large portions of the american landscape.a man should always project himself into the future,(gender neutral). don't just listen to ads, ten second sound bites,pundits and talk show host but read good books, education is of upmost importance in this world that we are living in today.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 3:45:57 PM

    McCain is self imploding anyway with the revelation that his campaign advisor has been receiving money from the Georgian government. Note to self: Next time GOP supporter says something, direct them to the nearest train station.

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/13/2008 3:58:09 PM

      Self imploding? haha too funny. Right now based on state by state polls Obama is winning 289 to 249.

      4 Years ago SAME day Kerry had 327 vs Bush 211 !

      Sounds like Obama is WAY behind. Don't forget McCain will clobber him in the debates as Obama can only read off of a teleprompter.

      Dems this year picked up Nevada for 5 electoral votes, Colorado by a narrow margin 9. On the other hand Ohio is in McCain's camp now vs last year same day that's worth 20. We are also ahead in Floriday by a decent margin and last year at this time it was Kerry up 6%! Not looking good for Obama in Florida, he has no chance here where I live.

      I suspect after debates we will take back Colorado, possibly Nevada and I'm positive based on what I've heard Mc Cain is planning in Pennsylvania of taking it too with its rich 21 votes!

      Sorry NOBAMMA - not now, NOT EVER !

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 8:10:45 AM

    Obama didn't and still doesn't support the war. I don't support the war and the Americans that vote him into office in November will say, "we didn't support the war."

    McCain doesn't have a platform for the economy other than standing in front of a restaurant or in front of cereal looking like someone applying for the store manger position. Obama has presented his Social Security, Economic, Energy, Foreign Policy, Global Poverty and even addressed Black America platforms. What has McCain presented, not a thang... not a thang.

    McCain will not make ground because he is too busy whining about Obama this, Obama that. He doesn't know where he is half the time, much less he can't even read a map to know what country is what and which Continent is where. He can't remember how he voted on issues when asked so he obviously didn't think to hard about whether to say yea or nay because he was following suit to the Republican votes. This election is too big for mosta youse. Stay on the porch. =)

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 10:04:04 AM

      Who cares about the war you idiot when taxes are about to go through the roof, Obama won't do anything about the oil and energy crisis and fuel will going UP UP UP and mass layoffs due to his tax increases will cost us all our JOBS! Of all the Politicians they had to choose from the Democrats could only find Obama? That's pretty sad. In the 300 working days he's been in Congress he's voted FOR 90 Tax INCREASES!

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 10:28:15 AM

        Oh get your panties out of the wad and get over your losses. Don't get mad at Obama because Clinton lost. You're hormones are off tilt and you don't know how to deal. Ranting and yelling doesn't solve problems so go over in the corner and suck on your thumb, take your pills and sit.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 11:45:25 AM

          It's this kind of anti women rhetoric that I find so OFFENSIVE about Obama and his supporters. He gave Hillary the finger at one debate and it wasn't even reported on by the media who obviously backed and bank rolled Obama.

          Mc Cain 2008 and Hillary 2012. Don't let the men in the media steal this election from us. Women unite behind Hillary!!!

          • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 12:14:47 PM

            P.M.S... er, I mean P.S. I am a loving husband and father of three daughters.

            • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 12:58:01 PM

              Apparently you perpetuate the male hegemony in our society since you blame any disagreement with your opinion on hormonal difficulties.

              Funny, but it's testosterone that gets us into wars.

              And in case you hadn't heard yet, oh eminent father and husband, women of a certain age no longer have PMS>

              • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 1:13:58 PM

                Hege who? This person that posted said it in the terms you state. I just react. I knew Day trader was a woman from her post. I also could read the veins sticking out of her neck as she typed, the red in her eyes as she argued. I don't target anyone, I just defend myself. I have nothing against anyone, I just bring up the facts. You, on the other hand, slip in a jab here and there with no real substance to your thoughts and ideas.

                • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 1:22:14 PM

                  Surprise surprise surprise, you use a negative sexual stereotype to characterize and demean a person you have never met and have no idea whether they are male or female.

                  If you don't like the message, attack the messenger - by portraying the messenger as a hormonal female.

                  And you claim to be a feminist? NOT!!!

                  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 2:10:56 PM

                    Uhmm, how exactly can Cloud be a feminist as he is a man?

                    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:28:00 PM

                      feminist: one who believes in equality for women

                      That does not require that a feminist be a woman. Men can be feminists too.

                      • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 3:44:30 PM

                        Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:04:15

                        "I AM A WOMAN AND YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT!"

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:50:47 PM

                Women of a certain age no longer have PMS. Now, how would you know that? Are you a female? Funny, I thought you were a man...

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:48:31 PM

            Will you ever stop it with this 'finger flipping' lie? You do embarass yourself posting this garbage. Do you realize how ridiculous the rest of us find you and others who keep whining about this? Doubtful. People such as you are delusional.. you will believe every and any fabricated nonsense to satisfy your bitterness. Take a bitter pill or get mad at Hillary, she's the one who lost. Yes. LOST. Nothing was stolen from her. Face reality.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 3:04:57 PM

              What is with the name calling and HIllary bashing? That does not help Obama

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:52:38 PM

                News, I appreciate your 'gentility' but I don't need you to tell me how to behave. I know how to behave appropriately, I usaullay do, but alas, some here just bring out the worst in me. If you do want to help me, do me a favor, check out cobalt's posts before you pick on mine. Are you a fair person?

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 5:20:50 PM

                  I'm not telling you how to behave, nor am I picking on you. I'm asking a question and making an obervation.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:33:15 PM

                    I don't bash Hillary. Fyi, had she won the nom. I would be supporting her unlike some of her supporters who again, villify Obama. You really ought to pick on the posters who bash and villify Obama daily. I doubt you will.
                    Btw, in case you are not aware of it, I'm not a Dem. This is my first time voting Dem. I've voted Rep in the past. So, here is something else you can 'observe' about me now.

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 1:58:28 PM

                      Your party affiliation is not important. I am a democrat who has legitimate reservations about the presumed democratic nominee. People can disagree but rehashing the primaries and dismissive comments are not very persuasive. Your candidate is the presumptive nominee.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:04:12 PM

                        News, look, I left you a post regarding Careerdaytrader who is a Hillary supporter. Have you read it yet? If so, you would have noticed who is spewing the hate.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 5:37:26 PM


              Pia, So tell me, how do you explain . . . as Obama pauses in his words and, brings his middle finger up to his face . . . why the crowd yelps. . . timed exactly when he is supposedly just SCRATCHING.his face? And how many people use their middle finger to scratch their face. I just tried it and it is awkward. Puleeeze. I think you just have to accept it and get this guy off his pedestal. Like I hear some Obamabots hear . . you know, he is not perfect. Well this is a great example.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 6:51:38 PM

                Share, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to offend you but I am not going to waste anymore of my time arguing about this finger nonsense with you esp. since I always thought you are smarter than I'll ever be.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 12:04:15 PM

            Cloud is not anti-woman you are just as looney as the rest of your group, The sad part is that you are making it really hard for the next female presidential candidate. You are portraying all of the stereotypes attributed to women, over emotional and allowing those emotions to cloud your judgement, behaving as though you are constantly pmsing and playing to a hilt the whole female victim role. You and those other women like you are an embarrassment to strong women everywhere.

            Just read what you posted you are willing to help screw up this country because you in your words know that McCain will screw it up then Hillary will be a shoe in for 2012. Do you have any idea just how silly and immature that sounds? No I sincerely doubt that you do, what is wrong with you people, has some man wronged you, did you get stood up at the prom or the alter or has your husband stepped out on you. The reason I ask is that when you read a lot of the posts from people like you there is a whole lot of male bashing in them.

            I am so very sorry that you hate men that much it must be really ugly in your world. By the way before you go into your sad ole nonsense about sexism and how badly the boys club treats women,
            I AM A WOMAN AND YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT!

            • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 1:25:29 PM

              That isn't what was said, it was initially posited that the economy was cyclical, and that who ever becomes president in 2009 will look bad because we will still be on the down cycle, and will probably lose in 2012, while the person holding the job after 2012 will look like a great president.

              If you would take the time to actually read what was posted, you might be able to respond with something other than sexist baloney.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:59:03 PM

                Pearson, did you read Career's comment above asking who cares about the war? What does that tell you? Does it tell you Career is just a bitter Hillary supporter voting McCain out of revenge for Hillary's loss? It does me. Open your eyes!

                • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:31:08 PM

                  Nope, it tells me that the non-vote Obama relied on to distinguish himself from HRC, after copying her policies for the primary, is a non-issue for the GE, as I repeatedly said during the primary discussions.

                  "It's the economy, stupid" -- just like it was the last time a Clinton won the office, and HRC would have been a much stronger candidate. Obama had to get republican help to defeat her, and now wonders why is is in a statistical tie with the republican candidate who has the military credentials to render his "I didn't vote for the war" a losing issue for Obama.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 2:14:17 PM

                Mc Cain 2008 and Hillary 2012. Don't let the men in the media steal this election from us. Women unite behind Hillary!!!

                'You know damn well that this is what she meant, there are a lot of you who have posted this type of nonsense.

                • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 2:31:39 PM

                  You complained that the poster was voting for McCain because he would be a bad president, that they would be "willing to help screw up this country because you in your words know that McCain will screw it up" -- that was what I was responding to.

                  Please read my post before responding.

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/12/2008 12:38:14 PM

              True, true, true. They're making it easy for men to keep dismissing women in the workplace due to bouts of unreasonable, unneeded emotion. The sad part is you are right, they're acting textbook female victim. The whole 2012 thing is just horrid.

          • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 11:54:18 AM

            LOL. Nope, not anti woman... it's a mad time of the month for you. Let's see here, Today is 8/12, November the 4th x2 take away 3 days, hhhmmmmm.... you should be on target to have a PMS free day come election time which all the demons will have returned to the pits of hell and you will have a sound mind to vote coherently. =)

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 1:04:56 PM

              Cloud,

              any other time I would call someone out for this type of post, but she so deserved it LOL!

              • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 1:16:30 PM

                I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, but she came in here calling people idiots and what not all in the name of Clinton and the "Clinton surrogate movement." She did have it coming. I don't speak ill of any women that treats themselves with dignity and respect. She has none.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:20:42 PM

                  I agree and she also posted "who cares about the war!"

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 1:28:21 PM

                  Hi Cloud,

                  I have been reading your posts and I know that you are not disrespectul to women in general. I am a woman and this nonsense embarrasses me. I was raised to NOT EVER play the victim and to never allow my emostions to take precedence over my common sense so I have absolutely no respect for women who do.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:07:19 PM

                I second you Seej.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:56:00 PM

        Career, who cares about the war? I am really reading this? I am. You are a selfish cold, callous, and bitter individual. You, a Hillary supporter just gave yourself away.. you care not about the war and our troops dying every day. You don't. You only care about keeping Obama out of the White House because of who he is, don't you? I think I got you on this now so from now on your comments are worthless.

        • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:44:16 PM

          Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:21:02

          "There are people who are vicious here and I am not one of them."

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:01:27 PM

            If you were a serious blogger you would condemn the poster above. You're not, you're a troll.

    • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:42:45 PM

      You really have no idea what you are saying. Haven't you read anything in here? Obama spoke out against Iraq for political expediency and his actions never backed it up. Please refer to his voting history. He voted the same as Clinton and did nothing to speak out. It's a proven fairy tale. Problem is when he finally took a stand when it mattered - he spoke out against the Surge and now won't admit he was wrong.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 3:42:09 PM

    News and Notes:

    Not bashing Clinton, as a matter of fact I look forward to the Convention. I'm sure there will be more unity than there is being mentioned. What many Clinton supporters fail to understand is that campaigning will be in full swing come September and then it's on. Once we have the Veep and the ads, true town halls and all the stumping comes in full force, McCain will be hiding. The debates are going to be interesting considering McCain is already on the defensive so much and the celebrity argument won't even have air as Obama will be trumping anything McCain has to say with true policy. Come November everything will be on the table, the Clintons will be standing behind Obama on the stage at his acceptance speech. Remember this blog. =)

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 4:50:27 PM

      Total democratic unity at the democratic convention? Dont count on it. . .

      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 10:25:56 AM

        Count on it. The Convention will separate the apples from the onions. And you can have the onions, they smell, cry and complain way too much. Anyone (1-2% at best from Camp Hillary) that is willing to turn their backs on their party will bear their own burdens. I won't spend time weeping. Besides there are more than enough Republicans voting for Obama to make up for them. The demographics should be very interesting once the results are in. It will likely show the overwhelming middle class working people of both multi-'races' that voted Obama and upper class suburbia (which is nothing in terms of numbers) that voted McCain. Come November, the rest of the nation will see McCain as the elitist, out of touch, Bush policy friend, war mongering, kick the little man while he's down, o.d. 'old despot' that he is.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:33:09 PM

          Excellent comments, Cloud!

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:12:51 PM

      McCain's "celebrity" ad works precisely because it rings true with most Americans.

      Obama's effort to turn it on McCain falls flat because Obama doesn't really represent change and McCain isn't perceived as typical Washington.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 5:44:25 PM

        That ad with Hilton and Spears definitely hit home. Obama is still steaming inside about the way the McCain camp made him out to be the CELEBRITY that he is. LOL. Obamas response ad to that one fell flat. I said, thats it? after viewing it. LMAO

        • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:20:07 PM

          Which ad do you think people will remember in three months? And how crazy were they to make a response ad giving it some sort of credibility?

    • Posted By: legume @ 08/13/2008 10:00:30 AM

      "what many clinton supporters fail to understand" how many have you chatted with? polled?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 4:23:47 PM

      Great Post Cloud!

      All of Clinton supporters are not like this! i too cannot wait for the convention, just a few more days.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 4:14:55 PM

      This Clinton supporter from the Primaries and more her supporters than Obamabots want to even accept as being the case, will not be standing up in unity behind Obama. The democratic convention will surely be something to watch. I have a stash of popcorn ready and waiting for this event. It should prove interesting.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 10:02:03 AM

    I am sooo pissed off. First Bush steals the election than our Liberal Media LIES to us by not reporting about that scum bag Edwards. If the media had done their job, Hillary WOULD have won Iowa and would be our candidate.

    We can NOT let the powers that be steal another election, this time its the media pushing their favorite Obama down our throats. I wouldn't doubt that Obama promised Edwards an office if he won, he was the spoiler that cost Hillary her win!

    Vote for Mc Cain for 2008, he is too old and the economy is in shambles. Let Hillary win in 2012! Donate to her campaign to erase the debt too! I hate Obama and the media for hijacking this election!

    • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 10:30:27 AM

      You have some serious issues. So you're saying you would just assume the country become worse off than it is so that Clinton could be elected. If you are the group that represents Clinton, then I'm glad she lost.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 11:40:06 AM

        You both are obviously Obama fans from the beginning. There are a LOT of Hillary supporters who are angry as hell. If the primaries were done over Hillary would win 55% to 45% based on our groups analysis. We are going to push our Florida voting block to vote either Mc Cain or write in Hillary. This should be a close race and if Hillary fans unite we can sway it to Mc Cain and it will be a SURE VICTORY for Hillary in 2012. With a Democrat Congress Mc Cain can't hurt the economy and his lower taxes will actually help. Obama not only stole this primary he wants to raise taxes too high which will lose jobs.

        Hillary 2012, don't let the Media push their favorite Obama down our throats. This is worse than the Bush Supreme Court Win as it was done to us by our OWN party. Don't take this lying down!!!!

        • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 12:20:09 PM

          If Obama would have lost, I would vote for Clinton... reluctantly.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:42:51 PM

            Same here. I am not a Hillary fan but I don't hate her. Many of her supporters hate Obama.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 2:55:37 PM

              How can you say many Hillary supporters hate Obama? Some Hillary supporters are concerned that Obama doesn't have much experience, but almost all Hillary supporters admire and respect Obama

              • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/12/2008 6:59:11 PM

                Read the comment one above by Day trader. She HATES Obama. Not the only one. Now that's venom.

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 11:08:48 PM

                  Hi Cloud, thanks for posting this.

                  How are you? Still hammering away and doing well I see. Btw, Sky sends you a "hello"

                  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 10:14:31 AM

                    No problem. Tell Sky to join the party sometime.

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:27:47 PM

                      He did post on the Bush article.

                      • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 1:58:32 PM

                        I saw that Bush article and thought, "no comment." =)

                        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:08:51 PM

                          I understand. It took me days to decide whether to post anything at all. I did vote for the pres., but now I am supporting Obama. I have been since the start of the primaries.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:48:44 PM

                How can I say it? Easily. I have been reading these boards since february. The man has been villified, has been called names, has been accused being a terrorist sympathizer, his wife has been called offensive names, she has been accused of being a racist. The proof is in the pudding. I'm sorry you don't see it.

                • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 5:17:41 PM

                  What you call proof is merely your opinion. My opinion is different. The primary is over, and your candidate won. Why so much venom? Why the name calling? Why the arrogance? Why the divisiveness?

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 11:15:52 PM

                    News, excuse me, I must be missing something here. Where have I called anyone names? What arrogance have I shown? I come here to defend my candidate Barack Obama who continues to be villified by those who have admitted that they are Hillary Clinton supporters. Why is it you just don't seem to or don't want to understand this? If you feel that defending my candidate who takes beatings every single day because he won the nomination and Hillary lost, is arrogance, then there is no need for me to ask who you support, is there? Come to think of it, I don't care who you support. Do you see me post any comments to you?

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 9:35:04 AM

                      You have called others "selfish, callous, bitter, delusional, immature, and spoiled children". you've advised people to "take a bitter pill". Without provocation, you've brought up your personal interpretation of events during the primary, just to take a cheap shot at Hillary. In my opinion I accurately described these types of divisive democrat against democrat attacks. I enjoy spirited debate, but these attacks are counter productive. It seems that some people who disagree with you or question you are targets of these destructive and counter productive attacks.

                      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:21:02 PM

                        When I did it was justified. The other posters instigated the exchanges with their own name calling of Obama or of another poster. I was defending my candidate from those who are here for the sole purpose to sabotage him by spreading lies and by posting racist comments. Again , I'm sorry you only see what you want to see. Btw, my good friend Skypoint who has posted along with you, recently told me you are nice and fair with your opinions. I disagree. After havind read several of your posts, it is clear to me whose side you are on. Do me a favor, do pick on other posters once in a while. There are people who are vicious here and I am not one of them. You don't know me. In the future if you are going to attack me, don't waste your time, I will ignore your posts.

                        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 12:44:48 PM

                          I'm not picking on or attacking anyone. I'm not on any side, I am merely exchanging information and observations.

                          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:06:29 PM

                            Really? Then you need to observe what the Hillary supporters have been doing to Obama. Again, are you fair?

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 11:06:16 PM

                    If you had been reading these blogs for the last six months you would agree that it is proof, not my opinion.

                    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/13/2008 9:25:14 AM

                      I have been reading them and I disagree completely.

                • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:26:27 PM

                  Have you read her thesis yet Pia? I recommend it. She is promoting racial segregation as better for blacks.

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 3:00:14 PM

                    Hi pearson, no, I have not, however, I grew up in Princeton NJ.

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 5:08:46 PM



                  I agree with Pearson . . . read it:

                  Politico
                  Michelle Obama Thesis Was on Racial Divide
                  By JEFFREY RESSNER | 2/22/08 4:20 PM EST Updated: 2/23/08 9:51 AM EST

                  There are 4 parts (4 links) in the first paragraph of this article that leads you to Michelles thesis..
                  Youand others might want to read it . . . . .

                  ARTICLE: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

            • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/12/2008 4:50:56 PM

              I'll be the first to admit I do HATE Obama and we have a large 28,000 Hillary Clinton group and so far 80% of them say they are going to vote Mc Cain. If its up to us we will push Florida over the edge and we have smaller groups in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan. Obama has MORE to fear with us who he ALIENATED than he does Mc Cain!!! He'll be brought down from his own party. I am convinced he had a special deal with Edwards and there will soon be proof in the news that the media purposely didn't release that scum bag cheater Edwards shocker. We already got cheated in 2000 we are NOT going to get scammed out of having our candidate win. She will win 2012 mark my words.

              Mc Cain in 2008 because he does work with Democrats, won't raise taxes, is smart enough to lead the military and he was right about the Surge. We'll be bringing many troops home before we know it not because of political reasons but because WE WON!

              Hillary 2012, by the time of the election our grass roots organization will have 50k to 75k women voting for Mc Cain and we're all contributing to paying off her debt!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 4:57:12 PM

          Remember this, careerdaytrader? I cannot believe how strong Hillary was (is) to have put up with all this abuse:

          http://www.youtube.com/user/ShutTheFreudUp Media/DNC

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whezcwSrQE DNC

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM Mean-Spirited-Media

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 2:08:13 PM

        That is exactly what they and the others like them are saying, They are deliberately voting for a candidate that they believe is so bad for the country so that it will be a shoe in for Clinton in 2012. This is beyond stupid!

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:41:37 PM

          Hi Seej, how goes it? Wearing your Manolos today? I'm sure Cindy McCain is wearing hers.. you know she has a shoe closet full.. dozens, yet the GOP claims that the Obamas are the true elisists.
          Btw, the above poster is silly. I hope, he/she is not an adult.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 2:53:38 PM

            Hi P,

            No no Manolos today, like I said they are fabulous but definitely not comfortable LOL.! Those shoes are only worn on Valet night type of dates LOL! How are you doing today.? I see it is the same ole on this boards. Sometimes it does get old!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 2:38:10 PM

      Dumb post.

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/12/2008 11:34:17 AM

      You are wasting a lot of negative emotion.
      As it turns out the Edwards voters would have supported Obama as their second choice, if Edwards took votes from anyone it was not Clinton it was Obama who might have won the primary both sooner and more divisively..

  • Posted By: befair @ 08/12/2008 11:29:02 AM

    The only candidate who was being hurt by Edwards being in the campaign was Obama. When Edwards dropped out, most of his supporters went to Obama and surveys that were taken showed that, most Edwards supporters picked Obama as their second choice, not Clinton, and Edwards endorsed Obama, not Clinton. Clinton lost the nomination because she ran such a bad campaign and when she got caught in one to many lies, the voters decided that the Clinton's really had not changed all that much after all. It is the Clintons who are hurting our party and if we do not win this election, it will be because Hillary did not do the right thing and prepare her supporters when she knew many weeks before she finally dropped out, that she did not and would not have enough delegates to win. She started a riout about the Florida and Michigan votes only after she realized she needed them. Almost two years ago when the decision was made about those two states, she could not have cared less and did not speak up on behalf of those voters then. She also should be held personally responsible for the people on this site and others, who supported her and are still so angry. Had she been a real leader, she would have lead the way for her supporters to come to terms with the inevitable and then she would have truly supported Obama. I am a life long democrat and supported Bill Clinton through thick and thin. I now regret that.

    • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:35:59 PM

      "am a life long democrat and supported Bill Clinton through thick and thin. I now regret that."

      First of all a lifelong Democrat would not so those things because they make no sense. Ad what exactly did you regret? Having a job, house, car and gas money? Not being at war? Not being trillions of dollars in debt? As a lifelong Democrat did you regret Clinton's 65% approval rating?

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 11:35:05 AM

      Opinions are not facts.

  • Posted By: yesyoucan2008 @ 08/12/2008 12:10:06 PM

    Here is the point. Both the Obamas and the Clintons need each other. I believe that if Bill doesn't come around soon, he will ruin it for both Obama and Hillary in 2012. It is so obvious that the plan is that HRC will concede to support Obamas bid for the presidency. Slick Willy will do the bare minimum and it will affect his wifes position in 2012. Four years is not a long time and people will remember how Obama was being treated in 2008, and his supporters will react in spades. Racism is alive and well in the USA. Until people get over themselves and look at the greater cause, America will continue this nosedive in the world standing.

    • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:31:35 PM

      Yes and so is race-baiting.

  • Posted By: oopsitsme @ 08/12/2008 12:36:59 PM

    Hillary is power struck, don't you folks get it! She and her husband and their butt kissing followers better let their egos drop. The Clintons baggage is not what this country needs. They got away with it eight years and those of us who follow their trail of scandals had enough! So watch your evil tongues.

    • Posted By: zrrr @ 08/13/2008 2:30:13 PM

      "So watch your evil tongues."

      And yours?

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 1:41:07 PM

      evil tongues? How will you comment help Obama?

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/13/2008 2:25:16 PM

    Georgia is saying that the U.S. will take over its ports and the Pentagon is saying differently. See what happens when our man in the White House and his BFF McCain talk tough, it makes situations worse. When Bush and McCain talk, countries and nations react with the idea we are occupiers ready to give up the military when the issue should be on the floor with the U.N. But vote for McCain; it's no big deal to drop a few nukes here and there. I love mushroom clouds.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/11/2008 9:09:58 PM

    Barry. More free advise (or is it advice) for you. 1. Stop running attack ads. They are a waste of money. It is clear that the voters are focused on only one person. You. 2. Start running ads re-introducing yourself to the American people. Emphasize your love of country. Talk about your deep religious faith and values. 3. Do not mention tax increases for people earning more than 240,000. That is not a lot of money now a days. 4. Keep your campaign events small and personal. 5. Go into small town America. Bring actors from Second City and have them pretend that they are feeling understood by you. They can nod their heads, cry, or hug you. 6. Select a woman as VP (but not you know who). 7. Loose your temper with a reporter. Americans want to know that you can get angry. 8. Keep you know who out of the spotlight in Denver. 9. Have another civil rights leader call you a name.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/11/2008 11:09:52 PM



      . . . and while on vacation Hawaii, do not forget to keep your flag pin in sight. Even if you have to latch it onto your swim trunks while body surfing or on your sun visor while golfing. Dont get caught without it. : - D
      .

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 8:36:34 AM

        Another desperate comment about the pin. That was last month's flavor.

        • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 10:36:04 AM

          Pia has recently added desperate to her vocabulary and enjoys using it often, even in response to humor, LOL.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 3:42:23 PM

            Correct, pearson. So, since you have been watching me, here is one for you as well. You and other Hillary supporters like you, are desperate. You will try to ruin a good man's reputation out of vengence. Childish.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 4:07:20 PM

              I'm with you P. 100%

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/12/2008 6:58:47 PM

                All right Seej! Give me a hi-5!

            • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 10:05:59 PM

              It isn't vengence. I don't think an admitted cocaine user has any business running for POTUS and do not believe Obama and his wife would represent the US well. Obama does not have any experience as an executive of anything, wastes money nilly willy with unnecessary and ineffective ads, and has no concept of a budget because his bundlers keep the money rolling in. He has no understanding of military structure and organization and morale. He has no understanding of the taxation system and how his proposals will actually affect our poorest and most vulnerable citizens, our elderly retired living on fixed incomes who can no longer work or find jobs and whose health care needs will be constantly increasing. He has no idea how to fix the medical care system, no idea how taxing businesses will reduce employment and the tax base which we need desperately to pay off our debt to China and Saudi Arabia. Moreover, Obama is a product of his Chicago political roots, a pay to play politician who has no qualms about giving millions of dollars in tax breaks to foreign companies and doing favors for special interests like his FISA vote to benefit his communications industry financial supporters.

              No, it isn't vengence, it's informed voting. We'd be better off with McCain, constrained by a democratic congress than with Obama.

  • Posted By: RENEA @ 08/12/2008 1:43:04 PM

    No he does not need the Clintons.What have they ever done for him except try to paint him as other? The Clinton,s are DIVAS.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 1:47:55 PM

      Believe what you will, but the more he reaches out to the Clintons, the larger percentage of the 18 million Hillary supporters he will get in November. Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama becuase some bloggers don't like her.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 1:58:59 PM

        Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama becuase some bloggers don't like her.
        **********************************************

        Do you realize just how silly this is. Why would any sensible person base their decision regarding who to vote for on something someone else says. That is absolutely beyond juvenile, so if enough of us say that Boo Boo the Fool is the best candidate, then they will vote for Boo Boo The Fool? i do not understand this, as there is absolutely no way that I would permit any blogger to influence my decision unless they brought something horrible up that the candidate did and I was able to verify it was factual,

        • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 2:50:32 PM

          I followed up by re-wording the second sentence becuase it was stated incorrectly (above). The point is Hillary bashing is not the best method to use if you want to convince Hillary supporters to vote for Obama in November.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 3:32:48 PM

            Yes, but civility works both ways.

            • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 3:41:44 PM

              My responses have been perfectly civilized, but the fact remains, Obama has the greater responsibility becuase he needs Hillary supporters.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 3:53:53 PM

                The civility remark was not meant for you but the other HRC/McCain supporters who continuously bash Obama regarding his Birth certificate, Religion, Sexuality, patriotism, Marriage and even his children! As far as they are concerned all aspects of this man are open season for their insults and smears!

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/13/2008 12:47:40 PM

                  Seej, I tried to reason with News and Notes over this in my comments below but all he had to say to me is that he disagrees and it is my opinion that Obama gets bashed here by some Hillary supp. Then he accuses me of being devisive and of calling people names like bitter, callous etc... I did ot Careerdaytrader who posted callous comments about the war and News and Notes said nothing.

                  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/13/2008 2:01:55 PM

                    Hi P,

                    News & notes did post that the bashing was both ways. He replied to my posts, I have no problem with him as I have not had the same experience with him as you. He is definitely not in the same group as share, holy and the others like them. He has always been civil to me, so no problems here.

                    How is your day going, well I hope. you had asked me what fragrance I wear, I only wear a custom blend of oils that I have created for me at a shop in Hollywood. It really works well with my chemistry. Some of the oils are Mango, Dark Vanilla, White Ginger and about 4 others. The shop has my name and recipe on file. The only other fragrance that I like is opium.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/12/2008 4:03:43 PM

                I forgot to address the "Obama needs Clinton supporters" I know that no one who is against Obama considers the polls valid but he has always been in the lead. Also it is not as is portrayed on these boards, all 18 million HRC supporters/ PUMAS who are attempting to blackmail the DNC, the entire Media and Obama because Clinton lost due to some perceived Left Wing or Misogynistic Conspiracy.

                The majority of them feel as I would if Obama had lost. Yes! I would have definitely been upset but under no circumstances would I go out and try to organize groups bent on sabotaging Clinton's election. I would have voted for her especially since their voting records and policies are so similiar.

                • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/12/2008 4:23:08 PM

                  Their policies were similar during the primaries because Obama borrowed them from Clinton, he doesn't have an original idea of his own -- and he wanted to keep the debate focused on "I didn't vote for the war" in the primaries. Now that he is the presumptive nominee, he is flipping and flopping and changing what Clinton espoused, trying to move to the center on issues like faith based initiatives so he can get the evangelical vote, and posting new positions on his website until he finds something that will work against McCain. Tax rebates, no taxes on low income seniors (but raise the taxes on no-income seniors living on dividends and interest and capital gains) -- he changes something almost every day.

                  I'm glad he's gone on a tropical vacation so I can untwist my neck from watching all the spin.

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 7:46:08 PM

                    You arent kidding. Im just getting over a case of whiplash, myself, from not being able to keep up with all his Flip Flopping and Both-Way-Barack stances on policies, issues, etc. LOL.

                    http://www.bothwaysbarack.com/

                    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/13/2008 1:16:52 AM

                      All candidates have flipped on issues. Clinton voted for the war and now opposes it. McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts, but has turned into one of its biggest backers.

                    • Posted By: Right is RIGHT!!! @ 08/13/2008 1:11:37 AM

                      WWW.therealmccain.com

                  • Posted By: raddave @ 08/13/2008 12:40:05 AM

                    Enter Your CommentObama didn't have an original idea? His healthcare plan is not identical to the one Clinton had proposed. Remember the Criticism that Obama received for saying he would send troops into Pakistan to capture Bin Laden? He didn't copy Clinton about the Gas Tax holiday. Obama and Clinton are members of the same party, so it would make sense for their ideas to be close.

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 4:47:41 PM



                  Yeah, right. Nobama.

                  http://www.youtube.com/user/ShutTheFreudUp Media/DNC

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whezcwSrQE DNC

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM Mean-Spirited-Media

                  • Posted By: Right is RIGHT!!! @ 08/13/2008 1:12:06 AM

                    www.therealmccain.com

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/12/2008 5:47:38 PM

                    These are the correct links to replace the above links if anyone wants to view them:

                    http://www.youtube.com/user/ShutTheFreudUp

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whezcwSrQE

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/12/2008 1:49:47 PM

      I phrased the second sentence poorly. Anti Hillary bloggers will not convince Hillary supporters to vote for Obama in November

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