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  • Posted By: Elex @ 08/12/2008 9:42:41 PM

    Anyone who cares to read about China will do a thousand times better by reading David Brook's Op-ed "Harmony and the Dream" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/opinion/12brooks.html).
    You may or may not accept his opinions, but you have to admit that he's well-researched and thoughtful, therefore respectful of the readers.
    Melinda Liu, on the other hand, is a China basher masked as a correspondent. You can't find a better example of brain-washing in the West than this one. .
    For example, she says "China has a long tradition of chauvinism". Did she learn her history standing on her head, or does she take all her readers as fools, all blinded by vicious hatred of an Asian country? Read David Brooks and make your own comparison.

    • Posted By: alberta.xy @ 08/13/2008 2:01:39 AM

      I can't agree with you more. Funny thing is that she has a Chinese last name. China has a lot of Chinese fled oversees (for good or bad reasons) and they spare no efforts in confusing the western people.

  • Posted By: dakind34 @ 08/12/2008 10:00:15 PM

    Frankly, I am not optimistic at all about achieving mutual understanding between the west and China. Before I came to the West, I knew nothing about the western people. It is after I have lived in the west for some years that I came to realize that Chinese and West people differ in many ways: e.g. sense of justice, attitude and receptiveness to religion (most Chinese don't believe any religion), feeling toward family, emotional makeup, royalty, trust, etc. The difference is extensive and deep. This difference originates at least in part from the difference in their brains. Therefore, the difference between Chinese and western people can't be overcome. I also suspect whether Chinese and westerners can ever really understand each other.

  • Posted By: dakind34 @ 08/12/2008 9:27:09 PM

    I believe, according to my own experience living in west for some years, that some westerners simply don't want to see a strong powerful China. A prosperous China definitely let them feel a profound of loss - a loss of feeling of superiority. Those chinese who live in the West come to realize the real issue: a subtle but profound racisim from the west, a true ugly but masked face they had not seen or thought about before. The conflict is beyond against "communism". That's the time they have united to fully support China's communist this time. Of course, there are some westerners who are anti-China mainly due to being naive or not very bright.
    The Olympic torch relay occurred this spring is a profound education to all the Chinese around the world about the true face of the west. Its effect will last for long long time to come.

  • Posted By: vedmond@hotmail.com @ 08/12/2008 6:55:05 PM

    At first I thougt that the Olympics were a bad thing; not the way you might expect, but because I felt that China doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. It would be better using the money to feed the poor, to boost national security, etc. Who needs to prove anything to 'the West' and subject themselves to the biased Western media and open up the doors to closet-racists? But now I've changed my point of view: It's better to bring out the closet-racists, to bring out the full glory of the bias in the public perception and media, and put all that on the table and deal with it. I've seen a shift in the forums as of late; all commentators used to be highly ignorant and negative. But as some posters are debating ignorant, biased, and hypocritical or bigoted comments, I think more and more people are starting to see both sides of the issue. As Americans, we are hardly perfect, and China is not the hidden and terrible country many had perceived. The bash-China bandwagon is, slowly, disbanding, as those that were never truly racist to begin with, but just misguided, begin to learn more, and to understand that as a growing country with a billion people to feed, they are not the U.S. and can't have all the rights and freedoms that we have- yet; that this Olympics is a house-warming party by the new neighbor that just moved in from a poor part of town, and that we have a greater chance of having them share our own values if we are gracious guests that show them respect as equals rather than storming the party and gossiping about them to the other neighbors. It also brings the true racists out of the closet- the ones that make racists jokes or speak with a derogatory mock-Asianese "accent", which reminds us all how much we, as a society, still have to go with respect to improving our own human rights and freedoms. It makes at least some of the more educated or introspective among us step back and reconsider that Tibetans have got it pretty good compared to the Native Americans that live within our own borders; that the capital punishment rate in the U.S. is higher than in China, that at least they are not waging illegal wars and torturing the captives; or that our own Patriot Act effectively renders our own personal rights and freedoms that we perceive to enjoy effectively the same as those of Chinese citizens; or that our Jon Benet, OJ Simpson, and fashion model-centric culture actually is far more ludicrous than the criticism that we are leveling on China for having the little girl lip-sync during the Opening Ceremonies in Beijing. For some of us, bringing these matters onto the table and having a sensible debate benefits all. To others, it's just a way to express deep-seated and subconscious racist sentiments. For the latter, there is no help. God save China (and America too)!

  • Posted By: goeast12 @ 08/12/2008 4:42:51 PM

    There's always an automatic resistance when you go from one place to another. Someone moves from one state to another and they spend the next 10 years talking about how wonderful things were back home. You identify with the place you come from and you have ego involvement since you are of that place. Moving to another country where you are an ethnic minority would probably exacerbate that, especially if people know so little of the things you have pride in like your culture and history. I think this can be a little more powerful for the Chinese because they were so poor not very long ago, and they are now competing with the big boys through a lot of hard work. The resentment of being poor and behind other countries will naturally come out in a bit of a pronounced nationalism for awhile, and then things will become more "normal". I think at some point the Chinese will become very demanding and critical of their government once prosperity reaches a certain point across their society. They will have a sense of entitlement and expectations that they will demand be met.

  • Posted By: shelbyhyde @ 08/12/2008 4:41:48 PM

    My experience of living in Japan in the 1960's is relevant to this discussion. I learned a rather accurate way of judjing how long a fellow American had been in Japan by how highly he thought of the Japanese. It is similar to how Mark Twain had thought his father was not too smart but by the time he graduated from college he was amazed at how much his father had learned. The longer Americans lived in Japan, the better they understood Japan and regarded them much higher than the newcomers did.

  • Posted By: Egaro12 @ 08/09/2008 10:59:13 PM

    If the chinese are standing up for themselves, I guess that means they're trampling on the defenseless, peaceful, and highly cultured Tibetans (as well as other non-ethnic chinese). Tibet doesn't have to be split from china, but at least respect their dignity and culture. Contrary to what those communists would have their sheep believe, Tibetans are human beings.

    • Posted By: wooddoo @ 08/12/2008 12:13:32 PM

      High-cultured my ass. Read some books. They sacrificed people for their religious rituals up until the commies took over. The blind Western sympathy has hidden from you the dark side of Tibet. Peaceful? Again, go read books about demoninations within Tibetan Buddhism. Actually the Dalai Lama's school is one of the most violent and militant among all Tibetan religious groups.

      There's a simple solution to your encyclopedic ignorance: it doesn't cost much to travel to Tibet. Book a ticket, fly there and see for yourself. After the deadly riots in March, Tibet's tourism suffered a huge blow. Taxi drivers can't feed themselves. Go give money to them and see it for yourself if Tibetans are treated like shxt as portrayed in the western media. Go. Instead of being a whiny racist sitting in front of a computer trashing 1/5 of humanity, why don't you actually get up and do something.

  • Posted By: victor4000 @ 08/12/2008 5:32:17 AM

    sorry,typing mistake.all the million mentioned should be changed to billion.

  • Posted By: victor4000 @ 08/12/2008 5:30:19 AM

    cunning western politicians know using human right to set china in chao,silly westerners believe it and shout louder than politicians.fortuantely 1.3 billion-0.1 million=1.2 million chinese know what they need. salute to wise chinese.

  • Posted By: superglue @ 08/12/2008 2:50:25 AM

    Melinda Liu would have no job and lost her usefulness if she doesn't continue to write things critical to China and Chinese people. I don't really care about such stupid and inane comments from her. Maybe she need the money by selling her soul. I am proud about my own heritage and woudl say this: let those without sin cast the first stone. Now Russians are learning fast from the US by sending army to invade another country.

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/12/2008 1:55:22 AM


    Another typical western media's "happiness over mental masturbation".
    Just keep on doing that, that will do you good!

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/12/2008 1:55:08 AM


    Another typical western media's "happiness over mental masturbation".
    Just keep on doing that, that will do you good!

  • Posted By: rover81 @ 08/12/2008 1:52:31 AM


    Another typical western media's "happiness over mental masturbation".
    Just keep on doing that, that will do you good!

  • Posted By: mariolluu9 @ 08/11/2008 8:24:31 PM

    "Chinese students were sent abroad to learn science and technology from the West" - who thought them to put lead in the paint.

  • Posted By: mariolluu9 @ 08/11/2008 8:22:31 PM

    "Chinese students were sent abroad to learn science and technology from the West" - who thought them to put lead in the paint.

  • Posted By: jpooch00 @ 08/11/2008 8:00:32 PM

    Not if the Commies have anything to say about it!

  • Posted By: rockybuddy @ 08/11/2008 7:59:35 PM

    Oh Really - "Young Chinese feel they have the right to speak out about anything", Just try it and you'll be carted off and never heard from again in China. You may survive, if you say anything you want in the USA, but I double dare you to do it in China. Sea Turtles indeed, most likely without tongues when they are in China. Surf the internet wherever the communist party wants you to go, lest you see something about freedom and Democracy! What a crock.

  • Posted By: tider @ 08/11/2008 6:07:48 PM

    Keep feeding the Chinese tiger, America. You'll be having to fight it soon enough.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 08/11/2008 5:50:35 PM

    The answer is no! They are growing into there own, and take the mistakes made in the US, and the mistakes of China. Add them to the good things in each country, and combine them into what they feel is a lifestyle. They should be respected, for growing beyond there own definition. Just wish we could do the same, to find that nich we once were in, and now need to find. They will grow into a mixture of the good of both, and give it a name, but it will not be Western,or , totaly communistic Chinese.

  • Posted By: ChristianAmerican @ 08/11/2008 1:28:49 PM

    Melinda Liu tried to make something out of nothing.

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