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But I Did Everything Right!

DNA discoveries are revealing why even the best parenting doesn't have the effects experts promise, from breast-feeding to letting kids learn from mistakes.

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  • Posted By: E Ruff @ 08/12/2008 3:57:36 PM

    I never put much faith in the experts and their child rearing books. Any parents with more than 2 children can tell you just how completely different each child is - even if they come from the same genetic stock. One is eager, one lazy, one is easy-going the another uptight, one is comic, on is serious, one is more talented but another works harder, one is outgoing, one is shy, one is stubborn another docile, one cranky another content. What works as punishment for one only makes another act up even more. Teachers and coaches realize this. For each individual, you have to find out what motivates and what discourages them; how to reward them how to punish them. What work s well with one fails with another. This never was rocket science. This only verifies what coaches, teachers, and parents of multiple children have known and been saying all along.

    • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 4:50:06 PM

      Quite True, My non biological brother, he and I were both born in the same town though to different mothers, however we are like the Ying-Yag duality, so yea we will agree on some things both and disgree, or one agreeing and the other not agreeing. Good Times. Much what I learned like how to act and such I learned from my adoptive grandma, since both my adoptive parents worked many hours a week, and our grandma lived with our family and still does. However in my family for example my mom, especially get on us about Lying like taking away TV time. or Playing with friends, or practicing music longer, or even just grounding us. So yea my bro, and dad call it "The Big One" when our mom would scold us. We didn't like seeing our mom like that so we just didnt repeat it.

  • Posted By: breakoutofthebox @ 08/12/2008 7:30:50 PM

    Oh what a CROCK.

    I was thinking, gee we should let our child walk in front of a car and be HIT by the car in order to best teach them not to walk in front of cars. Play with electricity. name it, they should learn the hard way. PHHHHHTTTT.

    As the mother of a sweet tempered child, well, he's VERY attuned to his environment. He has amazing judgmental abilities when it comes to people. He knows who's an adult he can trust and who he can't and NO this isn't based on MOM'S opinion. I've actually had to sit back and think on what he says and I find that I end up coming to the same conclusion - the HARD WAY, after knowing the person longer than my son has.

    He takes on the interests that interest him in spite of being a very pleasant and friendly child.

    What experts are you talking about? EVERY person and EVERY child needs guidelines. Without a foundation one can not build up. (duh it's why we have laws... otherwise we'd have to let all people learn the hard way.

    There's such a thing as practice, as in ask the child to think through a prospective situation, and let them practice responses. Thsi SO doesn't mean we have to let them be put in harms way to "learn" the lesson. Oh dear GOD do I feel bad for the parents who let their child stay up to "learn" by getting a dismal grade. Did it not occur to the so-called experts (or those parents for that matter) to factor in the BIGGER REWARD? Hello! Let's see, I'm SO disappointed I got a lower grade, so I'll change my ways vs. I had a BLAST at that party and met the future dream date of my life and I'm going to party until it doesn't serve me anymore.

    Whatever. I think your experts got a degreee from Kool Aid university.

    • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 4:41:37 PM

      Yea...That's what saving school projects to the night before will teach it kid as well, more so for the fact that it takes wayyy more time than thought, and when that happens that sucks a lot.

  • Posted By: breakoutofthebox @ 08/12/2008 7:45:24 PM

    Sorry, this is a total pass for all parents to just give up parenting altogether. I was raised (adopted so non-genetic) by a mother who was abusive, and who completely practiced this "expert" article. She participated not at all, and in fact denegrated both children on a daily basis, blaming the fact that my brother had a lower IQ on his grades and not at all blaming the fact that as a child she sat down and helped me to study while leaving him to roam the neighborhoods miles away and having to search for him at night. She only did this with me briefly however. By fifth grade I was failing miserably in spite of my unusually HIGH IQ.

    I then went to live with a new family who TAUGHT me no less, to find pride in my accomplishments by a simple phrase. "aren't you proud of yourself?" That came when I did some good school work. I won an interantional scholarship. I won a U.S. scholarship as well. Sure my genetics and ability to know the work mattered, but what mattered MORE was the family structure. Mum kept us busy, she kept us occupied and didn't allow distractions in our lives.

    I didn't have to deal with the drug dealers several miles away. When I came home, my brother had been continually left to face them because my mom didn't want to take care of us. He's a drug addict now. I am fearful of what would have become of me.

    When I met my biological mom, well, uh, yeah, genetics plays out in my temperament I found out why I leaned toward arts and musci. Fascinating because my biological brother is an alcoholic. Why? Because his dad was horrible to him . By the way, I'm one of the sweet natured babies you say isn't attuned to the surroundings, you are SO wrong. I was VERY attuned to the surroundings and VERY affected by it. as evidenced by my life experiences.

    We TEACH our children what to value, what they cherish. If that weren't true then every child in every society would cherish exactly the same thing without question. Genetics plays a role, but it is NOT the be all and end all for every child in the world. American kids cherish cell phones and televisions and video games.

    This article is SO painting the picture black. Don't teach your child a thing, cuz there's nothing you can do about it. PHHHHHTTT. My adoptive mom said that about brushing your teeth. Don't boether, cuz genetics will take over anyway. Yep. Gee, wonder why I have so many fillings in spite of rock hard and great teeth? (I brush them faithfully since I learned from the other family to take pride in my appearance. )

    • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 4:38:42 PM

      Personality changes through out life, it isn't a constant. As far as I know being latina and havings aspergers as well as being adopted from a nation from which 70,000 people died due to the gov there and a maoist faction as well, from about the time I was about 11 or so....found an article in the local newspaper about it. Since I know where I was born there was a headquaters of the faction in my town-village....yea, that was probably one of he hardest things I've had to deal with for years, the possibility of my birthmom being one of the deaths in the 70000 and the possibility of my birth father taking part in those killings or were also one of the victims too. I've not been abused, however that doesnt mean a thing really, I have also learned to channel my emotions in proper ways through music and art since I was 6, a year after I had a seizure that lasted 1hr and 45mins total....doctors weren't sure I was going to make it, and if I did I'd probably be screwed up in the head, since the seizure covered my entire brain. (havent had one in years). Then being rediagnosed at the age of 10 with aspergers syndrome and generalized anxiety disorder... been through a lot of meds. Also I have made state adjudications for string emsemble twince in my state and once in solo in the last place I lived before my fam moved. I have played in a youth symphony for 9 years. I have played with the current Symphony twice through a mentorship program, and I have played last year in the college orchestra as a senior in high school, and am still involved with the Orchestra. I am an Art Major, and for now music/ biology minor. I was able to recieve two scholarships for the college I wanted to attend, one in music, the other in Art, so yea.

      Also I survived the Red River Flood back in march of this past year, helped people sand bag and made some by hand, it was very different let alone scary, with some of the outerlying towns having their water shut off. People of all ages helped, even kids as young as 6, and college kids helped out a lot, all three of the local colleges were closed until further notice and used as volunteer stations. The high schools were being turned into shelters and at elementary schools were having their baseball diamonds dug up and open yards areas. I use to live where there were lots of hills and trees, so floods were never really a threat. but yea I've been through a lot myself.

  • Posted By: esti_iturralde @ 08/12/2008 9:17:20 PM

    Yikes, this article really distorts the nature of behavioral genetics, which is not at all this cut-and-dry. The authors do not adequately explain that many of these genes are associated with dozens of different attributes. It can be unclear which attribute is the "cause" of the behavior. They make it sounds like you just flip a switch and the person's temperament or gambling addiction is set in stone. This is ridiculous! Often a gene gets branded with a specific role, i.e. "the alcoholism gene" based on slight (but "statistically significant") differences between groups. It's not like you can go somewhere and get tested for the gene and say, "whew, I won't be an alcoholic, I guess I'll go binge-drinking now!" It doesn't work that way, as convenient as it would be. The fact is that many of these genes depend on environmental influences in order to be protective or harmful. For example, there is a gene associated with aggressive behavior and depression, but it has been shown that this gene needs to interact with high life stress to make a person more prone to these outcomes. Not definitely have these outcomes, but more likely to, based on statistical probabilities. Oh by the way, I am in a psychology doctoral program and am studying child development. It is simply nonsense what you write that psychologists are not studying genetics. Sure, not everybody studies genetics, but most researchers are highly specialized, so why would they? Regardless of whether or not they are doing genetics studies, psychologists are plenty familiar with this area of research!

    • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 4:10:20 PM

      Isnt that called expresstivity?, the varying levels of how much a genes role will play

  • Posted By: Ms. Horning @ 08/12/2008 2:23:57 PM

    Can these genes be tested in our children or parents for planning purposes to encourage better parenting? I would be interested in learning about this? Thank you for your research.

    • Posted By: parent123 @ 08/19/2008 2:04:10 PM

      I agree, I agree! I suspect my daughter may have this variant gene-now what do I do?

      • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 3:38:06 PM

        oy, it differs from child and parent, to anothers. Also trying to see how much of a degree it starts off at is better than just assuming it is like the end of the world! Honestly, geez sometimes it takes more of an attentive parent or less of an attentive parent in some situations, to get a message across to a kid. That or just putting the kid in his place, about why later on the current behavior will not help them as much as it is in that moment. That it would do just the opposite in negative ways. but that's just what I think.

  • Posted By: ChaoticReality @ 09/23/2009 3:26:45 PM

    Eh.. This is no surprise, I would think there are some genes that differ in triggering it to turn on/off from experiences more than the gene it self. That's about as far as you can go, when talking about behavior. When a child is in say, abuse but isn't anymore, obviously the child will have difficulty readjusting to a ''normal'' state, in regards to how much and when the genes turn on and off in common situations. However as much as I would like to say that kids do as they will, that is not always true. Take autism, high functioning types it is like a barrier in communication and emotion, that by one way or another the child will find a way to express their feelings and thoughts in different manners than most people will in the same situation. However in these kind of cases, actually be lessened by a lot. I myself am an Aspie, however my parents made me face the world as it is from young age. It has been through Art and Music that have helped me with the Aspergers, in maintaining my emotions whatever they may be, to a degree that I can channel my feelings and not extreme in my reactions. Also I"m on meds too, but for minute reasons, than the Aspergers. Growing up I know I did okay in elementary school. I was never put in special Ed. in all the 14 years of learning I have had in the past, I was diagnosed with Aspergers and generalized Anxiety Disorder when I was 10. Many didn't think I'd overcome some of the communication obstacles I faced, but I did in the end.....and I am a female...yea being an aspie is not as common as it is with boys who are more likely to get it.

  • Posted By: to much time @ 02/08/2009 3:44:31 PM

    I have always said when complemented on how well behaved one of my children turned out...I honestly don't know how much I actually contributed because he came out this way. Very much his own person..and when he entered his teens which became troubled after the death of his father, some tried to blame his behavior on his peers but I know my son makes his own choices. The social issue becomes once we realize that our parenting doesn't really impact the overall outcome that we hoped. And that good and bad choices are made because the child has a mind of their own then we have to realize that perhaps our own parents did the best that they could with what they had to work with, a child with their own free will. This of course means we would have to accept responsibility for our own lives and if it hasn't turned out the way we wanted then perhaps we only have ourselves to blame.

  • Posted By: shesgotagun! @ 09/05/2008 10:36:00 AM

    I almost agreed with this article, but after reading the 6th paragraph decided it was a crock of baloney. I was that mellow baby with the sweet temperment and my sister was always the fussy one. Years later, I became the succesful college student in who already has an engineering job secured after college, and my sister graduated high school with no motivation for college or even a job, and has anti-social tendancies. My parents raised us the same way, (and did a great job!), and are incredibly confused as to what happened. (My sister and I are 2 years apart) But there were other social factors that affected our outlook and motivation for life.
    Every child is different, no parent should simply categorize them the way this article does. Although there may be things that are out of your control, that doesn't mean it can be simply blamed on genetics. Most siblings start on a fairly even playing field, it's what happens socially, by parenting, family gatherings, school and church groups, etc. that builds their character.

  • Posted By: ykarpov @ 09/04/2008 3:54:38 PM

    I am very disappointed with this article. The major claims of the author are as follows: (a) all child psychologists believe that ???kids learn best when they are allowed to make mistakes and feel the consequences??? while totally ignoring the role of genetics in child development, and (b) genetics crucially determines ???why children turn out as they do???. Both these statements are highly disputable. Firstly, in contemporary child psychology, there are different schools of thought. Only one of these schools, constructivism, stresses the importance of children???s independent explorations for their development. But, another very powerful school of thought, nativism, stresses the major role of genotype in children???s development, in particular, in intellectual development. Secondly, and more importantly, the view of genotype as crucially determining the child???s developmental path, although supported by some influential psychologists, totally ignores the increasing pool of data that child development is vitally determined by the social environment. Yes, indeed, children???s temperaments, their speed of information processing, as well as some other aspects of their development are rooted in genotype. But, as early as in the 1930s, the famous psychologist A. Luria showed that specifically human higher level mental abilities (such as the use of mnemonics for memorization) are not determined by genes. Since then, psychologists have experimentally demonstrated how social influences (in particular, parenting and instruction) determine children???s development in each age period. For example, attachment (strong emotional bonds between infants and primary caregivers) has been shown both to be associated with parenting style and to predict later cognitive, social, and emotional development of the child. Adult mediation of children???s object-centered explorations during the second and third years of life has been proven to lead to the development of children???s language and symbolic thought. Helping children organize and enact their play during the period of early childhood has been shown to result in the development of their self-regulation, cognition, and social skills, which represent the major components of school readiness. It has been demonstrated that learning at school leads to the development of children???s formal-logical thought; what is important, a lack of schooling has been shown to result in serious deficiencies of formal-logical thought even in adults no matter what their genotypes were. Finally, it has turned out, that, in contrast with popular wisdom, even adolescents??? development (in particular, identity formation and the development of moral reasoning) is vitally determined by influences from significant adults. In light of these data, it is parents and teachers, not genetics, that crucially determine ???why children turn out as they do,??? no matter how comforting the opposite point of view may be for some parents and teachers.

  • Posted By: parent123 @ 08/19/2008 2:01:02 PM

    Now how about some solid research on what works best with kids with this variant gene.

    • Posted By: Gina Pera @ 08/24/2008 9:21:50 PM

      There are DECADES of research on this issue, Parent123. And why the author didn't mention it, I can't imagine. Perhaps the "parenting experts" just can't summon the guts to admit they were wrong all these years and the experts in ADHD were right!

      Read a few good books about Attention-Deficit/Hyyperactivity Disorder. Some respects experts include Dr. Martin Kutscher, Dr. Russell Barkley, Dr. Daniel, Amen, and many more.

  • Posted By: littlefaith @ 08/19/2008 6:26:04 PM

    Great article! It's just hilarious to me how we in the US seem to idolize "experts". We expect "experts" to give us the absolute truth, the facts, when truly there is no absolute to rely on. Not only this, but the scientist who are practicing all this science often have not had time to have their own families and children, yet they are "experts" by dint of academic research. I hope this is just one drop in a storm that brings us more clarity. May we finally see science as a very very clumsy way to get to the truth in complex relational biological systems, useful only in an extremely limited fashion. Please, may the "experts" stop imposing their way as the only way, and just let us use our own judgment and common sense again. It's happening everywhere, in healthcare, education, justice, even in parenting.

  • Posted By: littlefaith @ 08/19/2008 6:25:04 PM

    Great article! It's just hilarious to me how we in the US seem to idolize "experts". We expect "experts" to give us the absolute truth, the facts, when truly there is no absolute to rely on. Not only this, but the scientist who are practicing all this science often have not had time to have their own families and children, yet they are "experts" by dint of academic research. I hope this is just one drop in a storm that brings us more clarity. May we finally see science as a very very clumsy way to get to the truth in complex relational biological systems, useful only in an extremely limited fashion. Please, may the "experts" stop imposing their way as the only way, and just let us use our own judgment and common sense again. It's happening everywhere, in healthcare, education, justice, even in parenting.

  • Posted By: clubpc @ 08/19/2008 4:02:41 PM

    Your article focused on the issues of parenting. I read the article from the perspective of an adult: An adult who just never seemed to learn from experiences. I have a history of high risk behavior, addiction, antisocial actions and just plain stupid behavior. And, by most folks criteria, I am a reasonably successful person.

    Now I am what folks call a senior citizen looking back sadly on a life of regretful events. Yes, we are financially successful and comfortable, yet there are no stages of my life that are free of those regretful events.

    Why did I not learn early, middle or late from my negative experiences? Is it possible that I am one of those children described in the article?

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  • Posted By: keliamad @ 08/12/2008 11:07:38 AM

    I am a developmental psychologist and I also must express my confusion and irritation over your claim that "most researchers who study child development ... are uncomfortable with or even suspicious of genetics." Anyone who has taken the most rudimentary, introductory course in developmental psychology must remember the concept that is expressed in virtually every textbook I have ever seen: nature and nurture. Development is the result both of one's genetic endowment and one's experiences. In fact, this is probably the key theme in developmental psychology! I cannot imagine who the so-called "experts" were that the author talked to (a cited source would be nice so we could determine for ourselves if they were experts). This statement undercuts the validity of the whole article, and in fact, I am thinking of using this article this semester in my graduate course as an example of how the popular press promulgates scientific inaccuracy. I expect better from Newsweek.

    • Posted By: Gina Pera @ 08/16/2008 2:11:58 AM

      Maybe that's what the good students learned in school. But a whole bunch of psychologists must have been snoozing, if their idea of therapy is any indication.

  • Posted By: brendanalyst @ 08/12/2008 11:59:57 AM

    I was glad to finally read something that supported my experience. I have two sons, one that is a role model son, he is 22 and one that is and has always been one big problem child. He is 27 and has learned nothing from life experience. Both were raised by two parents, same house, same rules, everything the same. But they are entirely different, and the older child has been exactly like this article describes. I felt sefveral years ago, it had to be a bad 'gene' pool for him. There is no other explanation.

    • Posted By: Gina Pera @ 08/16/2008 2:10:27 AM

      Your sons are young enough that your older son most likely could have received medical/therapeutic help for his "bad" genes. It might not be too late, if he has not become hardened by negative feedback from the world.

    • Posted By: breakoutofthebox @ 08/12/2008 7:59:21 PM

      dear god! You did the same thing my mom did. He's a BAD boy. That didn't set him up at all. Just plain LABELING will set a child's goals in life. Had my brother been given a loving nurturing label, or attitude I honestly believe that he would not have turned into the drug addict he is, trying to exape from his memories and his label.. Heck he was labeled a bad boy anyway, punished for it whether or not he did anything. But see, my mom always said it wasn't her fault. Not that she was never home, nor that she didn't take care of us, just he was a bad boy and I was a liar. She'll tell you to this day that she was a GOOD mom. Phhhhtt.

      You've already labeled your son. If he had lived beyond it, you'd probably still call him the bad one.

      I briefly fell into that too. Being called a liar for so many years I figured well heck, I'm going to be called one, I might as well lie. I was punished the same, but had the frigging brains to realize that it wasn't going to help me in any way. My mom on the other hand STILL calls me a liar. You CAN'T call a person BAD or decide that they have the bad gene and expec them to overcome that..

  • Posted By: Gina Pera @ 08/16/2008 2:00:43 AM

    A lot about this story confuses me, But the 30 percent figure doesn't surprise me at all. It's estimated that at least 10 percent and as many as 20 percent of adults in the U.S. have Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. And they are plagued by the same challenges faced by the children you describe:

    "DNA carry a glitch, one that leaves their brains with few dopamine receptors, molecules that act as docking ports for one of the neurochemicals that carry our thoughts and emotions. A paucity of dopamine receptors is linked to an inability to avoid self-destructive behavior such as illicit drug use. But the effects spill beyond such extremes. Children with the genetic variant are unable to learn from mistakes. No matter how many tests they blow by partying the night before, the lesson just doesn't sink in."

    It doesn't take a Ph.D. to know that all children are born "differently wired" and that there is no one-size-fits-all advice. But some of these experts interviewed sure are loosy-goosy with their terms--sweet, mellow and fussy? What do those mean? Does Belsky mean, for example, a child who is so oblivious of his surroundings that his parents interpret this as mellow?

    The problem with parenting advice for children with these challenges it that it seldom focuses on the parents themselves, such as screening the parents for these genetic conditions. ADHD is 76 percent heritable, which means these children aren't the only ones in their households who have difficulty with self-regulation and not learning from consequences.

    Until we focus on helping these parents, the generational cycles of these disorders will continue, not only unabated but magnified over time, with nurture reinforcing nature.
    There are many established experts in this field, experts who've recognized for decades that the parenting advice du jour just isn't going to work with children who have ADHD. It's about time that the "parenting experts" caught on instead of denying the reality of ADHD.

  • Posted By: jane.simpson.wilson @ 08/15/2008 3:03:57 PM

    Now we can argue at the Dinner Table that is is "Your Genes, Not Mine." I still think that it does take a community effort to raise children that can be healthy and happy adults. I have seen mine do some really baffling stuff, but isn't that what growing up is about? Let them fall down, and be there to pick them up, to an extent. I still believe in consequences that are directed by the adults, who are responsible for drawing lines early as a team and sticking to them. I know that this is noyt PC, but I also don't believe that teaching a child to blame it on the genes is appropriate either.

  • Posted By: dopelgangerA @ 08/15/2008 1:18:12 PM

    I'm glad to hear parents reassured that, even if they try their best, it is NOT their fault if their children have a difficult adjustment in childhood and/or if their children grow up to be adults with social problems. However, I hope that this growing genetic knowledge will not be used to stereotype children or adults who may be discovered in genetic testing to have certain genetic "abnormalities." Everyone is an individual, and different individuals may adjust differently to the same genetic condition; some ultimately may thrive very well in life & in society, even if they have some occassional difficulties.

  • Posted By: BeccaPaulso @ 08/15/2008 12:41:47 PM

    While "experts" may have their beliefs mixed up, I don't think that all of society really does. A lot of us have come to realize that the world isn't black and white - so to find some evidence in support of parenting being a grey area should be expected.

    In any case, knowing whether your child is "teflon" coated can't lead to too many benefits. You'll now find parents who will use it as a crutch or decide that this is a good excuse for gene therapy...

    People, it is time for you to realize that your children are individuals. As their own person, they should be given the chance to develop as a unique people. We do not need to form each person into a standard mold. We need to quit trying so hard to create, deliver, and raise 'perfect' children. Being a parent, and a child, is a unique growing experience for everybody who is involved. Heck, its even a growing experience becoming a grandparent... even when you've raised several children.

    Finally, a lot of genetics are hereditary. Why would you hold something against your children that you found yourself doing time and again?

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