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The Case Still Isn’t Closed

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  • Posted By: bigthomas @ 08/15/2008 3:33:47 PM

    The FBI says he did in fact have a piece of equipment that could be used to freeze-dray anthrax into a powder form. It's also suspicious that the notes to Brokaw et all contained similar language to phrases found in e-mail from Ivens. Look at all the evidence before deciding.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/19/2008 5:32:57 PM

      The FBI says a great many things that turn out, on closer examination, to be rubbish. They, not so long ago, sold many US courts on a bunkum "bullet metal analysis" technique, and won convictions on it for years, until it was finally really examined, and found out to be trash 'science'. There ARE other suspects in the anthrax (Phillip M. Zack, for example) who had the same access to pathogens at Ft Detrick, and FAR more plausible motives than Ivens. Of course, the other suspects are alive to defend themselves, so for the FBI's purposes, they picked the right guy to pin it on.

  • Posted By: jctrce @ 08/11/2008 11:42:08 PM

    In the minds of a lot of people the findings of the Justice Department and the FBI, based upon 7 years of painstaking investigation, cannot be correct because they don't serve to put the President or some other Republican in a negative light, or otherwise serve the goals of Democrats. They are obsessed and they need to grow up.

    • Posted By: Earl the Nebraskan @ 08/17/2008 6:20:02 PM

      Really jctrce, that is quite a leap. I wonder how hard you had to concentrate to make any connection between this event to the culpability of dems or republicans. Any politician that comes to mind is incapable of delivering a positive result that doesn't serve them first. Bush in particular is a miscreant with no redeeming qualities. I don't however find the connection between his dysfunctional term as president and the investigation of this cowardly gutless attack on innocent people. Obsessed indeed. EDC

  • Posted By: getzel @ 08/12/2008 8:47:17 PM

    This is the governments way of warning people, who understand the way the government warns people, about future events.

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  • Posted By: wildturnip @ 08/11/2008 5:42:53 PM

    The most important link NOT made is how the liquid anthrax Ivins worked with was made into the "weaponized" form found in the letters. Weaponized anthrax is easily dispersed; liquid anthrax is not. That process is very sophisticated and Ivins did not have access to that type of equipment.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 08/10/2008 7:53:43 AM

    Bruce Ivins passed two polygraph tests and a handwriting analysis comparing samples of his handwriting to writing contained in the anthrax letters, U.S. officials familiar with the investigation say.

    In 2001 the FBI sent the envelopes to Ivans lab so that the envelopes that had been sent could be analized; now the FBI are shocked at the results of the new VILE test that show Ivans had the strain the FBI sent to his lab.

    No Doctor who looked at Ivans as part of his continuous clearance reviews, which are standard, found him less than mentally ideal, only a multiple drunk driver ,who is not a doctor who needs a plea bargain, thought Ivans was wierd; none of his co-workers did either.

    The officials concede that more than 100 other people , including some Arab-American scientists, had access to the batch and that the virulent Ames strain was found elsewhere.

    Indeed, prosecutors had not delivered the case to a grand jury for indictment. And the Pentagon had not revoked Ivins' security clearance; he still worked at the lab till the day he died.

    Prosecutors were equally confident another scientist, Steven Hatfill, was the anthrax culprit before recently agreeing to pay him $6 million in damages. And Jewells the Olympic bomber in Atlanta:not.

    The government newspaper parrots do not reveal this evidence of innocence; WHY do they not simply read the governments reports before writing?

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: Cosmic @ 08/09/2008 9:33:30 PM

    What about his family connections with Right to Life and the targeting of senators (discussed on feminist.org)

    • Posted By: wildbill69 @ 08/10/2008 7:52:33 AM

      Could one of his family members have some connection to the "RIGHT TO DEATH" group?

  • Posted By: gopsuxDOTcom @ 08/09/2008 10:53:25 PM

    Dick Chaney made him do it.

  • Posted By: manning120 @ 08/09/2008 8:05:53 PM

    Writing as a criminal defense attorney familiar with the burden of proof in criminal cases, I think the evidence is convincing that Ivins mailed the letters, even if there could have been an acquittal at trial. Compare O.J. Simpson, who was acquitted under the strict proof requirements of a trial, but has been found guilty -- and I think rightly so -- by history. The situation with Ivins reminds me of the Kennedy assassination. Many brilliant people wrote books, made movies, and even held congressional hearings, suggesting all sorts of theories other than what the Warren Commission found. But over time, the evidence and reasoning of the Commission prevailed. We may need another Warren Commission for this case. It does seem important to note that the critics now railing against the FBI's investigation and conclusions aren't suggesting the real culprit was a Muslim terrorist, which is what Ivins (or whoever sent the letters) wanted us to think.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 08/09/2008 10:51:14 PM

      Manning does not have an IQ sufficient with being an attorney.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 08/09/2008 10:45:52 PM

    Bruce Ivins passed two polygraph tests and a handwriting analysis comparing samples of his handwriting to writing contained in the anthrax letters, U.S. officials familiar with the investigation say.

    In 2001 the FBI sent the envelopes to Ivans to that had been sent; now they are shocked at the results of the new VILE test that show Ivans had the strain the FBI sent him

    No Doctor who looked at Ivans as part of his continuous clearance reviews, which are standard, found him less than mentally ideal, only a multiple drunk driver who is not a doctor.

    The officials concede that more than 100 other people ??? including some Arab-American scientists ??? had access to the batch and that the virulent Ames strain was found elsewhere.

    Indeed, prosecutors had not delivered the case to a grand jury for indictment. And the Pentagon had not revoked Ivins' security clearance; he still worked at the lab till the day he died.

    Prosecutors were equally confident another scientist, Steven Hatfill, was the anthrax culprit before recently agreeing to pay him $6 million in damages.

    The government newspaper parrots do not reveal this evidence of innocence; WHY?

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: dksss @ 08/09/2008 9:30:06 PM

    Why would they expect anthrax in his house, car or clothes? If you are working on Military biological Warfare, the first thing you would make sure is, that the biological agent doesn't get onto clothes, cars, and houses. And these scientists would have been carefully trained not to do that willfully. He used them to terrorise others not his family. Don't understand the logic.

  • Posted By: dksss @ 08/09/2008 9:29:50 PM

    Why would they expect anthrax in his house, car or clothes? If you are working on Military biological Warfare, the first thing you would make sure is, that the biological agent doesn't get onto clothes, cars, and houses. And these scientists would have been carefully trained not to do that willfully. He used them to terrorise others not his family. Don't understand the logic.

  • Posted By: dksss @ 08/09/2008 9:28:29 PM

    Why would they expect anthrax in his house, car or clothes? If you are working on Military biological Warfare, the first thing you would make sure is, that the biological agent doesn't get onto clothes, cars, and houses. And these scientists would have been carefully trained not to do that willfully. He used them to terrorise others not his family. Don't understand the logic.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 08/09/2008 9:17:10 PM

    Bruce Ivins passed two polygraph tests and a handwriting analysis comparing samples of his handwriting to writing contained in the anthrax letters, U.S. officials familiar with the investigation say.

    In 2001 the FBI sent the envelopes to Ivans to that had been sent; now they are shocked at the results of the new VILE test that show Ivans had the strain the FBI sent him

    No Doctor who looked at Ivans as part of his continuous clearance reviews, which are standard, found him less than mentally ideal, only a multiple drunk driver who is not a doctor.

    The officials concede that more than 100 other people ??? including some Arab-American scientists ??? had access to the batch and that the virulent Ames strain was found elsewhere.

    Indeed, prosecutors had not delivered the case to a grand jury for indictment. And the Pentagon had not revoked Ivins' security clearance; he still worked at the lab till the day he died.

    Prosecutors were equally confident another scientist, Steven Hatfill, was the anthrax culprit before recently agreeing to pay him $6 million in damages.

    The government newspaper parrots do not reveal this evidence of innocence; WHY?

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: manning120 @ 08/09/2008 8:05:27 PM

    Writing as a criminal defense attorney familiar with the burden of proof in criminal cases, I think the evidence is convincing that Ivins mailed the letters, even if there could have been an acquittal at trial. Compare O.J. Simpson, who was acquitted under the strict proof requirements of a trial, but has been found guilty -- and I think rightly so -- by history. The situation with Ivins reminds me of the Kennedy assassination. Many brilliant people wrote books, made movies, and even held congressional hearings, suggesting all sorts of theories other than what the Warren Commission found. But over time, the evidence and reasoning of the Commission prevailed. We may need another Warren Commission for this case. It does seem important to note that the critics now railing against the FBI's investigation and conclusions aren't suggesting the real culprit was a Muslim terrorist, which is what Ivins (or whoever sent the letters) wanted us to think.

  • Posted By: Duane Toole @ 08/09/2008 6:35:40 PM

    Is the case ACTUALLY closed? Or will the FBI treat it as closed? Can they assure the public that this strain of anthrax will not threaten us again?

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