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  • Posted By: steiner88 @ 08/12/2008 4:40:31 PM

    Moronic and total hypocrisy for the US to get angry at Russia. All the Russinas are doing is what the US and NATO did to the Serbs in Bosnia/Kosovo. It seems genocide and aggression are quite alright if you are a lackey of the US. Russia was just protecting its citizens and sending Georgia a message not to do it again!!!

  • Posted By: steiner88 @ 08/12/2008 4:37:53 PM

    The West needs to act because of Russia? My question was why didn't the West act against Georgia, since it was the one who started the whole debacle? Hypocrisy at its best. Be bomb the hell out of Serbia and Belgrade for the Serbs doing the same type of things and we expect Russia to sit and do nothing when its citizens are being attacked?

  • Posted By: KHill068 @ 08/11/2008 10:37:58 PM

    We are Americans. The Georgians are our allies. They are a democracy. The world is watching. What will we do? One can only hope that we will not let a friend fall because we did not have the nerve to do the right thing. I hear all of the talk about oil and national security, but what about national honor. We support Georgia and have allied with them. Is our friendship worth the price Georgia is paying? When tanks roll in do we abandon our 'friends'? I would hope that our leadership would send a stong message and place troops on the ground. It would not take many. The message would be clear. A line must be drawn and there must be no mistake that it will not be crossed. If the bear wants to growl then the eagle must be ready to fly.

    • Posted By: rdoudna @ 08/12/2008 1:46:20 AM

      So we put troops on the ground and Russia's decides so what, we???ll just take them out as well. Now, you have WWIII on your hands ??? we???re not playing Texas-holdem were bluffing is half the game. Look, our job at this point is to bring down the tension, not escalate it. Putting troops on the ground in Georgia is escalating the problem. By the way, there is no way in the world we would be able to protect Georgia if Russia wants Georgia at any cost. Get a map and find Georgia. Now tell me again why the US would be so foolish to put the 82nd Airborne in Georgia. In addition, we have two other wars we???re fighting. Where are you going to come up with the needed resources, including soldiers, to take on the Russians? The bottom line, there is nothing we can do militarily and the Russians know it.

      • Posted By: KHill068 @ 08/12/2008 4:35:24 PM

        Actually this is Texas-hold'em. Just don't bluff. I think everyone forgets that there are two sides here. You put the troops on the ground the Russians know that firing at those troops sets off a world war. would they do it? Probably not. It is a gamble, but we are in a position to do it. I can see a map. I can see that we have over 100,000 troops in the area. We have troops in Iraq, Turkey, and Afganistan. It is not about taking on the Russians it is saying you will not do this. Period. Don't kid yourself. Our military is more powerful than you can imagine. We can, if needs be, destroy all of the Russian troops currently on the ground. If I were the Russians I would not take any chances if US troops showed up, but if we don't do anything I might decide that some of these other 'breakaway' countries need to be put in their place.

  • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 4:06:50 PM

    All empires eventually crumble, just ask the US.

  • Posted By: Douglas Webster @ 08/11/2008 9:02:51 PM

    Sir.....read the ast line of your essay and please heed it. The breadth of your idiocy is stunning.

    With what US military force are we about to invate a Russian border state and engage in likely large-scale warfare with the Russian army?

    With what logistics resources will we be supplying those troops given undoubted horror on the part of everyone in the neighborhood over the prospect of a large-scale outbreak on their doorstep.

    Your reasoning echoes the idiocy of the administration which has gotten us into the mess. george bush (name intentionally lower-cased in light of the lack of respect due him) gleefully stood in front of cheering crowds in Tiblisi giving them every encouragement to break away from Russia and turn to NATO and the West. Trouble was, george's ignorance of history and diplomacy found him doing this while ignoring how clearly violently opposed Russia would be to such steps and how likely that they would react with force if challenged.

    So when they did, what has been our response....you and McCain and cheney and all the rest of your band of idiots turn immediately to the course you always recommend.....military action.

    The hell with what it costs us in live and treasure because like Mr. Cheney, when the call comes for service, you all have "other priorities."

    Our nation is in an international decline, driven by the ineptitude and fervent ideology of people whose ideas have already been clearly demonstrated to be disastrous. And yet here you are, once again, proposing military adventurism.

    We have the largest most powerful army in the world. And we are losing to folks armed with war-surplus artillery shells and garage door openers. does this not suggest that some other course of action might be warranted?

    • Posted By: fromiowa @ 08/11/2008 9:10:00 PM

      The United States can and will respond with breath taking force if necessary. We have troops and major artillery, air and naval power, and the nuclear powers to cause much destruction in nearby Iraq and Afghanistan, over 100,000 of them. Iraq is separated by only one country, Turkey, from Georgia. Again, can and will respond to the kremlin's aggressions with force not seen yet in the twenty-first century, or ever for that matter.

      • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 4:00:12 PM

        So does Russia....er whats your point?

      • Posted By: usmarahrah @ 08/11/2008 9:12:32 PM

        In case you had not noticed, those troops are kinda busy in Iraq, chief.

        • Posted By: fromiowa @ 08/11/2008 9:22:14 PM

          We would do it.

          • Posted By: Douglas Webster @ 08/11/2008 10:53:21 PM

            And I am sure I can count on you to head for your local recruiting office to sign up.....or posibly sending your sons off to battle. Surely if you believe so soundly in the cause, you have no other course of action.

            You are operating on the assumption that a military conflict with Russia would be purely military while ignoring the evidence around you. The potential for mischief by Russia and allies in terms of terrorism, and fomenting of political instability across widespread parts of the globe would rapidly render our "massive military force," already stretched to the limit fighting just in Iraq and Afghanistan, absolutely powerless.

            Russia learned some lessons in Afghanistan. The Taliban learned them too.....this is a different world....large pitched set-piece military battles are not how conflicts will take place in our future.

            We need new approaches and sending the military off to respond to every "slight" or challenge to our supposed role as a world peacekeeper is already taking us down a path to weakness and international irrelevancy.

            • Posted By: grimm @ 08/11/2008 11:10:39 PM

              Speaking for all Iowans who can discern three-dimensional reality and DON'T listen to Toby Keith songs, I hereby disavow this Strangelovean psychotic.

            • Posted By: grimm @ 08/11/2008 11:07:36 PM

              as an Iowan, speaking for those Iowans with a functioning brain in our heads and the capacity for lateral thought, i hereby disavow this Strangelovean psychotic.

  • Posted By: voreason @ 08/11/2008 9:18:01 PM

    I don't know what the qualifications of this writer are, but what he is suggesting is a prescription for initiating a thermonuclear war between Russia and the United States. There is an extremely compelling reason that the US and the USSR did not become engaged in direct, conventional conflict during the cold war. To do so would have created an unacceptable likelihood of escalation to mutually assured destruction. I find it incredible that such irresponsible drivel as this can be published by a theoretically respectable media organ (i.e., Newsweek).

    • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:52:55 PM

      Maybe thats what needs to happen, WW3. To give the US a taste of what it's like to have their perfect little world destroyed since they crave war all of the time and try to control the world.

  • Posted By: John1000 @ 08/11/2008 10:05:09 PM

    What an amazing plan: yes, let's risk our own nuclear annihilation by militarily confronting the Russians. Let???s do it on the behalf of the major ass Saakashvilli, who became a serious war criminal as of last Thursday. I mean, is it just me, or should it be considered universally unconscionable to wheel MLRS rocket launchers up to a urban population center in the dead of night and just hose it down? He has been vituperatively arguing that these are his own citizens, after all. But that doesn???t matter, right? He???s OUR war criminal, what we say goes, and the people he destroyed aren???t exactly friendly to our interests, so they just don???t count. You can bet the free, courageous American press will be checking these victims down the memory hole until all we???re left with is headlines screaming about Russia???s ???unprovoked attack.???

    Let???s face it, the U.S. government, in it???s infinite wisdom, has again gambled and lost. Bush, of course, is just a clueless boob. Cheney is raving and frothing at the mouth because he figures he may lose out on some pipeline money, and is just a poor sport generally. I just sincerely hope that they aren???t stupid enough to try anything along the lines of what this author is suggesting. And if, instead, they think to try and clandestinely sneak weapons into Georgia, they need to be reminded of how exposed our own troops are in the field to retaliatory measures in kind.

    I urge everyone not to vote for McCain. It???s not that I think Obama is such great shakes, but McCain is in the same straitjacket as this author, and will likely get us all killed.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/12/2008 1:24:43 AM

      Yes they beat down a population center. They also killed guards at checkpints with no warning and behaved rather ruthlessly. If this happened to us, we'd be clamoring for a lot more than Russia has done so far. This weasel and his neo-con sociopathy are why a vote for McCain is a vote to saddle the 4th horseman.

      • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:44:56 PM

        Actually, it would be great if McCain got voted in. He would end up plunging the US into a deeper pit than it already is. Which in turn would be better for the peace of the world.

    • Posted By: rdoudna @ 08/12/2008 1:52:26 AM

      Thanks for the laugh! I was listening to John McCain today and I thinking, he want's to get us all killed! The man has not gotten over losing the Vietnam war.

  • Posted By: IntheloveofGod @ 08/11/2008 10:39:47 PM

    the world must stop Russia from invading sovereign countries by any and all means.

    • Posted By: oea65 @ 08/12/2008 12:09:23 AM

      Why? We just did the same to Iraq, and killed its president, and hunted down its leadership. Why can the Russian have their revenge?

      • Posted By: cabinet1a @ 08/12/2008 1:54:08 AM

        We unlike the Russians do not keep hold of other countries, WE do not create a hegemony! Putin is a facist who would like to recreate a superpower in his image...AND YOU ARE OK WITH THAT!???

        • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:36:11 PM

          What planet are you from? It's certainly not planet "Wake Up."

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 08/12/2008 12:36:55 AM

    American military power is a *** joke and its all you idiots who keep sending Republicans into office who are to blame. The nation is now whored to the Chinese for its debt, to the Arabs and Russians for oil and scared of Paki nukes to go after Bin Laden. Bush and McCain run around like dickless wimps. The only thing we can do is bomb innocent Iraqis and you stupid idiots think that Bin Laden is in Iraq. Pathetic.

  • Posted By: rogersam @ 08/12/2008 1:21:55 AM

    Is this guy nuts? is it a joke, the west should go in..anywhere and everywhere?
    they are so stupid........the world knows who popped up saddam hussein in the first place, the taliban and mujahiddin, the mullahs of iran.......this president of Georgia..........how do they get it all wrong?

    if the US can go into IRAQ without any reason, RUSSIA has all the legitimate reasons to go into georgia.

    ps: I support the war in afghanistan, we need to get those mullahs out, they are the worst of humans who walk on this earth

    • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:30:26 PM

      ps. The "mullahs" are probably thinking the same thing about Bush.

  • Posted By: freedomsnotfree @ 08/12/2008 6:50:19 AM

    All of the apologists for Russia's brutal Imperial invasion of the tiny country of Georgia should be ashamed of themselves. It is more than obvious that RUSSIA planned this attack for a long time.. why else would a massive country like Russia have tens of thousands of troops and over a thousand tanks already on the border with a country that has almost no military, and absolutely NO history of being violent. Yes, I have been in Georgia, and know the Georgian people.. this war was completely the result of Putin's ambitions and manipulations. Once a KGB agent, always a KGB agent... the west did not stand up to him over Chechnya, so now he is murdering Georgia.. what is it going to take for the west to FIGHT Putin? Russian tanks rolling through London to "protect the Russian residents" of England?

    • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:22:45 PM

      Hmmm....it kind of sounds like Bush and Iraq

    • Posted By: kartveli @ 08/12/2008 9:45:29 AM

      Thank you. I as a Georgian feel that the whole world just abandoned us.. I was on path of citizenship of this GLORIOUS country, but I feel that I would stay GOERGIAN till my last days.

    • Posted By: DenisK @ 08/12/2008 7:10:53 AM

      are you going to fight yourself against Putin? or are you going to send your son?

  • Posted By: freedomsnotfree @ 08/12/2008 7:32:26 AM

    DenisK.. never ever forget the lessons we should have learned from WW2... that allowing a brutal dictator to win small victories against "unimportant" countries will only lead to you having to fight a stronger brutal dictator later. The West can shut Russia down NOW.. Putin and his cronies are living high only because of the greed and stupidity of the West... stop commerce with them, completely! Stop giving them investment money! Begin to treat them as the rogue state they are... who do you think has given Iran its nuclear technology? Come off your high horse DenisK... at what point would you stand up to Putin? He has taken off all pretense of being a "modern Western looking leader"... he is a brutal old like dictator no different than his Soviet predecessors.

    • Posted By: Ivan_Russian @ 08/12/2008 8:01:25 AM

      Denis... are you kidding???
      Stop trading with us will bring the whole Eurepe into chaos! You`ll have NO energy in your flats, NO petrol, NO metals, NO wood... just annoyed faces... ))
      About investments... Look at figures! We need NO investments! We are one of investors in foreighn economics! Dictator - is Saakashvilly! Like Stalin (Dgugashvilly) - he was Georgian too...
      And WE won WW2 - not you! So why are you taking this example?
      We need not any territory (unlike Georgians that attacked Abkhasia in 199X-th and now attacking Osetia)...
      Read more history books instead of playing your X-box... kid ))

      • Posted By: OneManArmy @ 08/12/2008 3:18:31 PM

        In my eyes, Bush is world dictator as well. Thats why he tries to tell other countries what to do.

      • Posted By: DenisK @ 08/12/2008 8:18:19 AM

        Hope you commented not my post (DenisK), but post of freedomsnotfree. Even if I'm almoust agree with you, such posts give bad picture of all russians in western minds. Don't give them a reason to call you Red Bear. To shaut and treaten is in style of Cold War time. It is only good reason for them to talk that nothing changed, but it did.

        • Posted By: Ivan_Russian @ 08/12/2008 9:50:58 AM

          Of course it was my comment addressed to "freedomsnotfree" ...

    • Posted By: DenisK @ 08/12/2008 7:54:35 AM

      What Russians or Putin made to you? Is it something personal? May be they killed somebody you know? Or you just afraid the country who can say no to US? So you have to afraid China as well. Before start this war Russia appealed to Security Council, but they still have no decision. Had Bush asked UN when they attacked Irak? Who is dictator?

      • Posted By: kartveli @ 08/12/2008 9:42:22 AM

        BE asheamed that you are russian. I would be hiding if I were in your shoes You killers.

        • Posted By: Ivan_Russian @ 08/12/2008 9:57:06 AM

          kartveli ,
          I am Russian and I have nothing to be shamed of!
          Georgian are killers of peacefull nations (because of territory).
          It was always so! If you remember, Stalin=Dgugashvilly was georgian too... all aggression acts was made by Georgians ever...

  • Posted By: Slartibartfas @ 08/12/2008 3:02:13 PM

    The idea of Russia attacking Estonia is insane. Attacking Georgia after it launched a military campaign against the rebellious region south Ossetia is quite a different category than attacking Estonia. Attacking Estonia means attacking the EU. It would be war against Europe, also NATO would have a defence case which means the US would have to jump in as well. Russia would start a world war, its not that stupid.

  • Posted By: Slartibartfas @ 08/12/2008 3:01:42 PM

    The idea of Russia attacking Estonia is insane. Attacking Georgia after it launched a military campaign against the rebellious region south Ossetia is quite a different category than attacking Estonia. Attacking Estonia means attacking the EU. It would be war against Europe, also NATO would have a defence case which means the US would have to jump in as well. Russia would start a world war, its not that stupid.

  • Posted By: papa_fryer @ 08/12/2008 2:46:22 PM

    Why are we involved? Who said that Georgians our friends? Bush&Cheney Co.? They have interest in form of the oil pipeline running through this mistake of the country. I am not willing to die, or to pay another penny of my money for another cluster screw-up of this administration.

  • Posted By: slaugh @ 08/12/2008 2:08:30 PM

    The writer is a mental case. Is it ever going to be possible that we stop considering the World as a pawn we own and control? Allow the two nations to resolve their own problems. We have more problems at home than we can begin to handle. Playing policeman to the World results in our being involved in conflicts over and over again ( Korea, Vietnam, Iraq) and losing all of them. We are, to say the least, slow learners.

  • Posted By: kejstut300 @ 08/12/2008 2:07:57 PM

    We have ways to make life hard for the russians, like imposing travel restictions, and making visa difficult to get, restrict trade with EU.

  • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 08/12/2008 2:06:55 PM

    odobade1...I disagree. I would have to say that news media "truth" in Russia and America are similar if not the same. The government of Russia controls one while the other is controlled by media mogul families, the Democratic or Republican Party and magazine sells (aka cold hard cash). Furthermore, the truths of one or the other are comparable.

  • Posted By: dscott1005 @ 08/12/2008 1:58:46 PM

    I assume that your next article will be from basic training as you put your life on the line to help the Georgians expel the Russians.

  • Posted By: Susie121 @ 08/12/2008 1:57:16 PM

    A great article. Thanks for bringing a reasoned and serious response to Russia's aggression.

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