Appeasing Russia

Let me first say that Georgia is

Commenting here is nearly pointless. It is populated largely by those who view the center of evil in the USA and the heart of that evil in the dastardly duo of Bush & Cheney. Every event and every word must comport to the objective of affirming that desired reality. If Stalin was murdering Ukrainians today they would say, "Yeah but Bush shock and awed Iraq!", wrong or right, as if that has anything to do with the current situation. These commentators don't care about Georgia, or Russia for that matter, they care about validating their obsessive hatred of Bush. If Russia ends up completely annexing Georgia they won't care. It'll be just another way to bash bush and bolster their need for a whipping boy.

Personally I'm not sure we need to send troops in unless Russia actually attempts to annex Georgia. If we can actually unite Europe around the firm and sanctions, kick Russia out of the G8 if they don't agree to an unconditional ceasefire and mediation, and induct all remaining and willing East European countries into NATO and the EU. If Putin and his puppet Medvedev are willing to annex Georgia or install a puppet it will be because of the callous isolationist attitudes like those displayed here. Those who's grudges do not allow them to imagine that condemnation lies at anyone's doorstep but George W. Bush's.

The USA invades countries we accuse of being terrorist or supporters of terrorism and Russia is accusing the Georgians of being terrorist, they are just following our example. All of this happened while Putin and Bush were having a friendly meeting at the Olympics.
America gave up the moral high ground after WWII by supporting dictators, wars, and insurrections throughout the world including the Taliban in their fight against the Soviets. The Soviet Union did the same and now Russia continues the old game and you want the US to intervene militarily like its some great crusade to stop the Red Horde and defend democracy. Perhaps in 1942 your argument would have borne more merit but in the reality we live today, where our constitutional rights are being eroded and our pitiful foreign policy breeds war and resentment throughout the world, you should step out of your 1940???s time bubble and travel the world, this is 2008 and you are hopelessly out of touch.

The USA invades countries we accuse of being terrorist or supporters of terrorism and Russia is accusing the Georgians of being terrorist, they are just following our example. All of this happened while Putin and Bush were having a friendly meeting at the Olympics.
America gave up the moral high ground after WWII by supporting dictators, wars, and insurrections throughout the world including the Taliban in their fight against the Soviets. The Soviet Union did the same and now Russia continues the old game and you want the US to intervene militarily like its some great crusade to stop the Red Horde and defend democracy. Perhaps in 1942 your argument would have borne more merit but in the reality we live today, where our constitutional rights are being eroded and our pitiful foreign policy breeds war and resentment throughout the world, you should step out of your 1940???s time bubble and travel the world, this is 2008 and you are hopelessly out of touch.

Sorry for the double post. The system would not respond, so I pressed the button twice.

1. Calling Georgia a US ally is a misnomer. It is an accomplice, at least in Iraq.
2. The appeasement argument applies the other way round: The West seeks to appease a certified liar and mass murderer Saakashvili, so that he can have another go at a sleeping city full of Russian civilians, probably on the eve of the 2012 London Olympics.
3. A country whose president is officially on the US payroll can hardly be called independent.
4. It means the USA, which keeps 120+ advisors in the Georgian military, has not only armed and trained the Georgian army, but also authorized the mass slaughter of Russian civilians and peacekeepers.
5. Anyhow, none of the syphilized a.k.a. civilized nations has condemned Georgia's bloody and treacherous onslaught, tacitly endorsing the carnage.
6. The Russian civilian body count of 1600 killed overnight is in the Pearl Harbor or 9/11 range. Just imagine America's response is a similar situation.

1. Calling Georgia a US ally is a misnomer. It is an accomplice, at least in Iraq.
2. The appeasement argument applies the other way round: The West seeks to appease a certified liar and mass murderer Saakashvili, so that he can have another go at a sleeping city full of Russian civilians, probably on the eve of the 2012 London Olympics.
3. A country whose president is officially on the US payroll can hardly be called independent.
4. It means the USA, which keeps 120+ advisors in the Georgian military, has not only armed and trained the Georgian army, but also authorized the mass slaughter of Russian civilians and peacekeepers.
5. Anyhow, none of the syphilized a.k.a. civilized nations has condemned Georgia's bloody and treacherous onslaught, tacitly endorsing the carnage.
6. The Russian civilian body count of 1600 killed overnight is in the Pearl Harbor or 9/11 range. Just imagine America's response is a similar situation.

this just be the russians gentle reminder to it's former client states that they (like cold war czech. and hungry) are impossible territories to defend and the west cannot help them. it may be helpful for the R's/C's to re-write their history rants about the events of 1938, now that they have to go to war over a new democracy and not FDR. have not heard any R's screaming to launch a war over Georgia, it is easier to bitch than to lead, where is all the R's, " only super power" talk? if they have not noticed their koom- ba-yea dogma of international facism/capitalism the R's have pushed has revealed the it's flaws. also have the R's who poo-pooed energy conservation and alternatives in favor of conservative oil policy now should see that energy dependence is at least a restraint if not a weapon in policy and war. and it is time to change policy! and with all due respect to Santayana's dictum: history does not repeat itself because countries do not learn from it(hell they count on it!). history repeats itself because the raw material of history - HUMAN BEINGS - does not change! the vices of greek tragedy are the same vices and faults of 21st century americans and russians. and yes geography is history. a toxic brew! and if tthe russians continue to re-do their empire george bush's, " i looked into his soul..." banality will be written up in liberal infested history books with Chamberlin's, "peace in our times".

Proposition: Russia???s objective is to rule the world.
Proof: Russia seeks to restore itself to Soviet Union size by the admission of Russian leadership (calling the fall of the Soviet Union the greatest catastrophe in the 20th century, promising to protect its interests in any country by any means, including military). Russia, like other countries and people, prefers more to less. If given the choice between the Soviet Union territory and that plus one other territory Russia will choose the second option. In a choice between Soviet Union plus one and Soviet Union plus two countries again the second choice is made. Iterating this argument we get that Russia would most prefer to rule the entire world.
The method Russia seems to be using in gaining its objective is to separate a piece from another country and then move in its ???piecekeepers??? to keep that piece for itself.
In conclusion, the international community should make plans for reacting to the next Russian attack on its neighbour. The present reaction is inadequate since Russian forces are still moving deeper into Georgia. The next attack will come since the invasion of Georgia is premeditated and part of a bigger plan (Robert Kagan???s Aug. 11 article in The Washington Post). There are also plenty of ???frozen conflict??? opportunities that Russia can warm up ??? Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan, Eastern Ukraine that is mainly Russian-speaking, Transdniestria in Moldova, the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad between Poland and Lithuania (access rights for example), the mainly Russian-speaking Ida-Virumaa region of Estonia.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4514202.ece

Typo: Excuse the Earlier Medvedev Age Typo

(42 Yr Old) Russian President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia today ordered a HALT to the invasion of Georgia, minutes before Nicolas Sarkozy arrived in Moscow to try to (Negotiate a Ceasefire).

Mr Medvedev said that Georgia had been punished enough for its ATTACK last week on South Ossetia, a separatist Georgian province which has close ties to Russia.

???The security of our PEACEKEEPERS and CIVILLIANS has been restored,??? said Mr Medvedev, in a Kremlin meeting that was screened on Russian national television. ???The aggressor has been PUNISHED and SUFFERED very SIGNIFICANT LOSSES. Its military has been DISORGANIZED.???

French President (Sarkozy) hailed Russia's move as GOOD NEWS and a first step in gaining agreement between the warring sides.

???A ceasefire now has to take shape,??? said Mr Sarkozy said, who aims to persuade Mr Medvedev to accept a Europe-backed blueprint for peace. ???We must draw up a rapid calendar so that each side can go back to the positions of before the crisis.???

Note: French officials travelling with Mr Sarkozy privately gave their opinion that Moscow had cleanly outmanoeuvered and outfought Mikhail Saakashvili, the Georgian President, after his ill-advised gambit to retake South Ossetia.

Negotiators now aim to limit the human and diplomatic damage caused by five days of fighting, and to find a structure for keeping the peace in the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia - which has been suing for peace for several days as its military crumbled in the face of the Russian advance - responded cautiously to Mr Medvedev's announcement.

Violence is unlikely to end immediately. There has been no order to Russian troops in Georgia to withdraw, and its soldiers have been told to remain on the alert to defend themselves and quell any signs of Georgian resistance.

Russia is insisting that Georgia must pull its troops from the breakaway regions, withdraw its soldiers from a buffer zone around their borders, and pledge not to use force again to solve the conflict.

It has indicated that it feels Mr Saakashvili, whom it accuses of war crimes, should resign, and that it is disinclined to negotiate directly with him.

Sakashvilli Lies Again: Five people including a Dutch television journalist died early today in explosions in Gori, 15 miles away from the South Ossetian border. The casualties were at first BLAMEDON RUSSI FIGHTER JETS, but Russia has denied this, and TV footage appears to show that the missiles were fired not by planes but by artillery - POSSIBLY GEORGIANS- on the HILLSIDE AROUND GORI

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4514202.ece


(421 Yr Old) Russian President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia today ordered a HALT to the invasion of Georgia, minutes before Nicolas Sarkozy arrived in Moscow to try to (Negotiate a Ceasefire).

Mr Medvedev said that Georgia had been punished enough for its ATTACK last week on South Ossetia, a separatist Georgian province which has close ties to Russia.

???The security of our PEACEKEEPERS and CIVILLIANS has been restored,??? said Mr Medvedev, in a Kremlin meeting that was screened on Russian national television. ???The aggressor has been PUNISHED and SUFFERED very SIGNIFICANT LOSSES. Its military has been DISORGANIZED.???

French President (Sarkozy) hailed Russia's move as GOOD NEWS and a first step in gaining agreement between the warring sides.

???A ceasefire now has to take shape,??? said Mr Sarkozy said, who aims to persuade Mr Medvedev to accept a Europe-backed blueprint for peace. ???We must draw up a rapid calendar so that each side can go back to the positions of before the crisis.???

Note: French officials travelling with Mr Sarkozy privately gave their opinion that Moscow had cleanly outmanoeuvered and outfought Mikhail Saakashvili, the Georgian President, after his ill-advised gambit to retake South Ossetia.

Negotiators now aim to limit the human and diplomatic damage caused by five days of fighting, and to find a structure for keeping the peace in the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia - which has been suing for peace for several days as its military crumbled in the face of the Russian advance - responded cautiously to Mr Medvedev's announcement.

Violence is unlikely to end immediately. There has been no order to Russian troops in Georgia to withdraw, and its soldiers have been told to remain on the alert to defend themselves and quell any signs of Georgian resistance.

Russia is insisting that Georgia must pull its troops from the breakaway regions, withdraw its soldiers from a buffer zone around their borders, and pledge not to use force again to solve the conflict.

It has indicated that it feels Mr Saakashvili, whom it accuses of war crimes, should resign, and that it is disinclined to negotiate directly with him.

Sakashvilli Lies Again: Five people including a Dutch television journalist died early today in explosions in Gori, 15 miles away from the South Ossetian border. The casualties were at first BLAMEDON RUSSI FIGHTER JETS, but Russia has denied this, and TV footage appears to show that the missiles were fired not by planes but by artillery - POSSIBLY GEORGIANS- on the HILLSIDE AROUND GORI.