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  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:52:48 AM

    Duxin! Nobody will believe to the referendum under occupation of only one country "piecekeepers". You understand it clearly too, I hope.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 1:02:14 AM

      All nations will

      • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 1:14:17 AM

        Dixin! You possibly noticed that nobody of russian politics speak about independence of Abhasia and Osetia. They speak about annexation by Russia. The use bloody carnage to force this nations inside.

        • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 6:02:46 AM

          Yes, firstly because of the pressing of the US.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:57:44 AM

      Yes, I understand it, but circumstances of War is the so-called "force major" circumstances. Don't you think really that elections in occupired Iraq were really democratic? Irag is under the US fascist occupation theese days. It doesn't follow the path of peace and freedoms.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 2:27:31 AM

    Politico: John McCain was not in Congress to Vote on 2 Very important Energy Bills, RIFY
    Pelosi to McCain: You weren't even here


    Source: www.politico.com



    Yeah, Hypocrite & "Semi-Senile" John McCain, Strikes yet Again, or shall I say...

    Forgets Once Again

    In an interview with Larry King, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) scoffed at John McCain's call to bring Congress back into session to deal with high oil prices.

    "Well, it's interesting to hear Sen. McCain talk about bringing Congress back," Pelosi said, incredulously. "He wasn't even in Congress when we had 2 Very Important Bills On Energy."

    Note: Pelosi was referring to bills on 1.) Tax Credits For Renewable Sources of Energy and 2. )Hybrid Cars.

    McCain leads the Senate in MISSED VOTES this Congress.

    Big Note: The Speaker also pointed out that President Bush REBUFFED McCain's CALL for him to call an Emergency Session Of Congress.

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 3:05:35 AM

      You sound Nuttier than John "Semi-Senile" McCain

      1. Russia has MORE Nuclear StockPile Weapons and a Larger Military.

      2. Georgia Started the Invasion of Osettia and Russia had Peace Keepers there and called for Reinforcements to Run them back to Georgia !!

      3. If the USA even THINKS about Nuclear Attacks, it would be a Disaster for North America...Period !!

      4. John McCain is Too Old and Really has No Experience in Military Matters and he would cause (Nuclear WW3) with that Think Later do somehing Now Mentality !!!

      5. Oh yeah, John "Semi-Senile" McCain has the "Experence" alright...Name One Military Strategy, that McCain Concieved, Created and Joint Military Chiefs of Staffs have Implemented in Wars Past and Present, that were Proven to be Successful...Please

      6. McCain has'nt Any...Simple and Plain....And the "Surge" that he's Always Yapping about, was Not McCain's Idea, it was General McFarland's Military Strategy and the "Surge" happened in Bagdad, Not in Anbar...The Well Known "Anbar Awakening" oppose to John McCain's LIES about the Iraq Warm regarding the "Surge"

      6. Russia & China are Military Partners and bioth are Socialist Governments as well as Other Western European Countries. You do Know that China, as well as Viet Nam are still Very Communist, with a simply Added a little Capitalism into their Systems.

  • Posted By: Perusing-through @ 08/13/2008 2:01:26 AM

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    ONCE AGAIN, THE TEXAS COWBOY BLUNDERS

    Thanks for the article Mr. Michael Hirsh.

    Apparently this administration forgot the lessons of the "Cuban Missile Crisis". When Russia threaten to put missiles off the Florida coast in Cuba, President Kennedy lost it, and rightfully so. Kennedy said no missiles on our door step. And Kennedy was ready to start a nuclear war if Russia didn't change course. (Live Free or Die). Now this administration forgot the lessons of 1961 and does the same thing to the Russians. Then how do you expect Russia to act?

    From a U.S perspective, missiles on Georgian soil is a good idea. Better there than Russian missiles in Cuba. But where this administration messed up is that it made a public spectacle of talks about missiles on Russian soils instead of "QUIETLY AND SUFFICIENTLY BUILDING UP GEORGIAN MILITARY ON ONE HAND, WHILE GOING THE EXTRA MILE TO CALMING PUTIN'S NERVES WITH THE OTHER HAND. AND WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, THEN PUT THE MISSILES IN PLACE."

    The real bad news is Senator McCain if elected would be a far worse President then Bush. Political skill and savvy on the International stage is NOT this administration's strength, and definitely not "SHOOT-FIRST, THINK-SECOND " McCain. McCain's solution to every international problem (born out of bad GOP policy) is to throw young American lives into action then cut their benefits if they make it home.

    GOD Help Us!

  • Posted By: Perusing-through @ 08/13/2008 1:40:29 AM

    .
    ONCE AGAIN, THE TEXAS COWBOY BLUNDERS

    Apparently this administration forgot the lessons of the "Cuban Missile Crisis". When Russia threaten to put missiles off the Florida coast in Cuba, President Kennedy lost it, and rightfully so. Kennedy said no missiles on our door step. And Kennedy was ready to start a nuclear war if Russia didn't change course. (Live Free or Die). Now this administration forgot the lessons of 1961 and does the same thing to the Russians. Then how do you expect Russia to act?

    From a U.S perspective, missiles on Georgian soil are good idea. Better there than Russian missiles in Cuba. But where this administration messed up is that it made a public spectacle of talks about missiles on Russian soils instead of "QUIETLY AND SUFFICIENTLY BUILDING UP GEORGIAN MILITARY ON ONE HAND, WHILE GOING THE EXTRA MILE TO CALMING PUTIN???S NERVES WITH THE OTHER HAND".

    The real bad news is Senator McCain if elected would be a far worse President then Bush. Political skill and savvy on the International stage is NOT this administration's strength.

    GOD Help Us!

  • Posted By: lordmi @ 08/13/2008 12:58:49 AM

    Agree - Saakashvili sounds like fashist. Just watch it.

  • Posted By: Philip_Rothman @ 08/13/2008 1:01:56 AM

    "... it seems pretty clear that Bush and Co. can do little to force the Russians out of Georgia." But, in fact, it appears that an agreement will soon be in place for Russian forces to indeed withdraw from Georgia (excluding S. Ossetia and Abkhazia). Mr. Hirsh, it seems, would do well to change his forecasting model.

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:58:06 AM

    Dixin! Great! You started to cite here the ideology of russian nazism. What nation will leave in RF when the "factor of nationality" will be finally destroyed? :-) Everybody know, I think. :-)

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:48:16 AM

    Dixin! If "Democratic" Canada will lie or kill - will it give you permission to lie or kill? You are just bandit who is seeking the justification, not justice. And all of you there in RF do the same. You want to go and kill. And you go and kill. And everybody see it now by TV.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:53:05 AM

      No, you aren't right. You doesn't know me to tell me "what do I want" and "where I will go". So, If all nations in the World will become independant, it will destroy the World as the Soviet Union has been. The factor of nationality is a "kill factor" for every country.

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:44:13 AM

    Dixin! Russia did nothing to make the Abkhazia and South Osetia independent. To do this it is necessary to put international contingent there first. Make referendum second. Both conditions required strictly in this order. RF was sitting there for 16 years and did nothing. More. RF will never do it. It is dangerous for it. And you understand it clearly.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:48:00 AM

      There were 2 referenda in South Osetia and more than 95% of voters agreed to become independant.

  • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:45:22 AM

    http://duxin.livejournal.com/ - here is my viewpoint in Russian

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:37:46 AM

    Duxin! How are you? :-) I am not afraid of our world disintegrating into atoms. The peoples have to have the right to choose. They have to be together only if they want. Do you want to be handcuffed to me? :-)
    If Cvebek wants to go - let them go.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:42:01 AM

      "Democratic" Canada doesn't want to let them go. Consequently we (Russia) must not let Checnya go!

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:20:27 AM

    The territorial integrirty of Russian Federation is based on the notion that sertain nations have not the right to have their own independent state.
    So ideologically the RF is the Nazism country. Their policy toward small nations inside the empire last 500 years was the intricate mix of genocide and ethnocide.
    The same policy is used now - they are now erasing from the map the national autonomies and proceed with the fascist occupation of Chechnya.
    All these tacktics are now widely supported by the russian population of RF. It is also the same thing what the Stalin was doing with small nations.
    And the doings of Stalin are now also widely supported.

    Russian position towards the nothern parts of Georgia - Abkhazia and Ossetia is very simple. Russians use the rightless status of these small nations to devour them.
    Abkhazia and Ossetia are de facto in state of the ethnic war with Georgia since the collapse of the USSR. Nobody will give them political protection. As a result they
    are the vassals of RF.

    What the Georgia needs now is a simple thing - the good air forces and the air defence. No way to run the war without good aviation. I hope the Georgia will get this in short time.
    The "civilized world" has made the big mistake by not providing the Chechnya with real air defence and recognition. As a result we have in Kremlin and in RF what we have -
    sadistic killers who feel their full impunity.

    • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:28:51 AM

      What do you think about the separasist problem of Canada's Cvebek? Russian Checnya is a parallel problem.

      • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:36:03 AM

        Ok, if you see that we (Russia) ought to take independance for Chechnya why shizoid and facsist maniac Saakashvili has not done it for Abkhazia and South Osetia?

  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 08/13/2008 12:21:08 AM

    The territorial integrirty of Russian Federation is based on the notion that sertain nations have not the right to have their own independent state.
    So ideologically the RF is the Nazism country. Their policy toward small nations inside the empire last 500 years was the intricate mix of genocide and ethnocide.
    The same policy is used now - they are now erasing from the map the national autonomies and proceed with the fascist occupation of Chechnya.
    All these tacktics are now widely supported by the russian population of RF. It is also the same thing what the Stalin was doing with small nations.
    And the doings of Stalin are now also widely supported.

    Russian position towards the nothern parts of Georgia - Abkhazia and Ossetia is very simple. Russians use the rightless status of these small nations to devour them.
    Abkhazia and Ossetia are de facto in state of the ethnic war with Georgia since the collapse of the USSR. Nobody will give them political protection. As a result they
    are the vassals of RF.

    What the Georgia needs now is a simple thing - the good air forces and the air defence. No way to run the war without good aviation. I hope the Georgia will get this in short time.
    The "civilized world" has made the big mistake by not providing the Chechnya with real air defence and recognition. As a result we have in Kremlin and in RF what we have -
    sadistic killers who feel their full impunity.

  • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:17:07 AM

    I live in Russia. I see all. Dear author, your position is extremely subjective. Reding and listening it, I think about the Cold War wich I call now the Cold Inform War. Propaganda of the false democracy of the USA is the alter ego of American agression throughout the World.
    Pavel Duxin, Russia, Saratov

  • Posted By: duxin @ 08/13/2008 12:16:53 AM

    I live in Russia. I see all. Dear author, your position is extremely subjective. Reding and listening it, I think about the Cold War wich I call now the Cold Inform War. Propaganda of the false democracy of the USA is the alter ego of American agression throughout the World.
    Pavel Duxin, Russia, Saratov

  • Posted By: Sploot @ 08/12/2008 5:38:59 PM

    So, by encouraging emerging democracies which are no longer part of the former soviet union but instead are independent soveriegns led by democratically elected officials by the very people over whom they govern and by and with the consent of the governed who, by their own choice, wish to pursue prosperity through freedom and democracy rather than through totalitarianism, socialism and communism all of which they all know through first hand experience failed miserably and unqequivocally, the United States is to blame for Russia's unprovoked unilateral act of mass murder and aggression. Michael Hirsch, you are an absurd and intellectually dishonest liberal fool who knows no history and has no interest in the truth. Your only interest is to blame America at any opportunity you can find. Shame on you.

    • Posted By: LeoDeo @ 08/12/2008 5:48:40 PM

      What do you know about history? you just coupled socialism , communism , and totalitarianism in one bunch. And the rest you copied from the declaration of independence. - "And by their own...pursue prosperity lol, , what 2 year college did you finish?" Read why Russia attacked Georgia, - or ask others more patient to read it for you

      • Posted By: Sploot @ 08/12/2008 5:57:21 PM

        LeoDeo: I know a lot more history than you and unlike you I do not fall for the liberal spin, hook line and sinker. Russia's reason for invading Georgia was all pretext: "To protect those loyal to Russia who live in the province of Ossetia (SP?)" This invasion had been planned for months perhaps years and was to halt and eventually overethrow georgia before it became a member of NATO and to discourage othe rformer Soviet States from doing the same in an attempt to turn the tide from emerging democracies that had onbce been governed by totalitarian regimes which were socialist and communist based. BY the way I have a BA in English and History, a Masters in Ebnvirnmental LAw and Juris Doctor. I know a thing about history, law and politics.

        • Posted By: LeoDeo @ 08/12/2008 11:44:06 PM

          First of , learn how to spell , BA of some backwater community college. Second of all, what you drew here is nothing more than an opinion, and some wishful thinking - your opinion and your wishful thinking. None of these "former soviet states" would want nothing from the West, if it wasn't the West, my country, United States of America, spooning these little useless countries money, money so they would like me. I dont need them to like me, I dont want them to like me, and I sure don't want my country asked to defend their useless self when their retard Columbian educated Suckmyshwili president decides to bite on something more than he can chew. You cannot buy friendship, nor can you buy loyalty, every country does that, which best suits them. Their loyalty is not beneficial to us, nor is Georgia useful to us now. - they were when the war in IRaq was in full swing, now - you have to cast them aside.

          --- "This attack was planned for months years....?" - "Ebnvirnmental LAw" - you got a lot to learn and grow, your little hole in the universe is not the pinnacle of civilization, nor is America the happiest nation in the world. You fellow citizens yearn to live under socialism, with the government giving them handouts ( Katrina, Medicare, Welfare), and you write what you did? You got no degrees, You dont deserve an American H.S. Diploma, nevermind a Soviet Education

    • Posted By: noelmjr @ 08/12/2008 5:44:59 PM

      Sploot,

      I wish I had said that. Newsweek and the other liberal organs keep hiring and paying people like Hirsch (there are thouands of them) to spew out words that have no basis in fact or logic.

  • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 08/12/2008 8:38:51 PM

    AncientHistoryYear,
    You, like many, are missing the point. Mr. Hirsh is not pardoning the bully. Where did you see that? The question is why is Russia over-reacting? It is not because they don't like Georgians, their neighbors. It is because the West (i.e., W.) has gone out of its way to humiliate them. Vladimir is not the type of guy to take that lying down.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/12/2008 11:30:16 PM

      your last two sentences is where we see "that!"

  • Posted By: anotherview @ 08/12/2008 10:17:34 PM

    Georgia made the mistake of provoking Russia, and clearly the Bear was very ready. Then again it sounds like Russia kept pushing to try and get the response they got. And now Russia will occupy sections of what was Georgia.

    And now Russia is involved in our part of the world by selling close to a billion dollars worth of arms to Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who now thinks he can sink the American 4th Fleet which is stationed in the Caribbean. Russia is selling arms to Iran so she can defend her nuclear program, and has offered nuclear capability to Cuba.

    The Bear has come out of the cave and is on the move, while Nato and the US talk, talk, talk.

  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/12/2008 9:43:10 PM

    Russia has agreed to both sides withdrawing their armies only because it has no intention of pulling its forces out. It sees an opportunity to make Georgia disarm unilaterally. Russia will claim that its army in Georgia is peacekeepers, policemen or voluntary militia of the South Ossetians and keep it in. The only way to ensure that both sides withdraw their armies is to send in an international peacekeeping force, no member of which is from Russia, Georgia or any group in Caucasus. That force should have the arms and authority to enforce withdrawal of armies.
    Georgia was the lightning rod for Eastern Europe. Russia focused its economic, propagandistic and military bullying on Georgia, lightening the pressure on countries of Eastern Europe. In the 1990s Russian military planes were flying over the Baltic states and Russia was creating sudden stoppages of trade in them. After the Rose Revolution in Georgia this activity shifted there. Now that the lightning rod is broken Eastern European countries should expect a lot more economic and military trouble from Russia.
    An old anecdote from the post-communist countries. An American, a German and a Russian are boasting in a bar. The American says: ???On my farm I drive a Ford, when I go to work I drive a Lincoln and when I go abroad I drive a Cadillac.??? The German answers: ???When I am at home, I drive a Volkswagen, at work I drive a Mercedes and in other countries I drive a BMW.??? The Russian says: ???I drive a Zhaporozhets at home and a tractor at work.??? ???And when you go to another country???? the others ask. ???When I go to another country I drive a tank,??? the Russian answers.

  • Posted By: AncientHistoryYear @ 08/12/2008 8:29:40 PM

    Mr. Hirsh,
    If you were walking down a street and you saw an 18-year-old beating up on a 10-year-old would you try to do something about it? I bet you would. Especially if you'd been encouraging the ten-year-old to stand up for himself for the last few years, and advised him to stop giving the bully all his milk money. Don't pardon the bully. It's not good for your soul, sir.

    • Posted By: quique11000 @ 08/12/2008 9:22:57 PM

      Ancient

      Is the 18 year old Georgia and Ossetia the girl? You are confusing me.

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