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  • Posted By: ajaxtheleast @ 08/14/2008 12:09:51 PM

    CONDOLEEZA TO BE IN GEORGIA FOR TALKS WITH SAAKASHVILI

    "Hello again, mike! ,,,,We really must discuss this drastic and tragic reduction to Georgia's territory!!

    "Welcome ,Condi, ,Yes indeed we must.,,Oh step this way a bit I believe you're standing in Turkey.

  • Posted By: vurdalack @ 08/14/2008 9:30:30 AM

    Georgian leader is really and seriously sick. You don't need to be a psychiatrist to figure that out. The guy changes his comments twice during a day. Georgian people never really liked him. Mainly because his was put into his position by Washington. He is a "walking dead" says Georians because he's given the order to kill. And in North Caucasus the blood vendetta is very common thing even now. The guy would be killed soon.

  • Posted By: vurdalack @ 08/14/2008 9:24:09 AM

    Saakashvili boy wouldn't go to pee without a "green light" from Washington. Do you know that before Russians started to act Gergians killed more that 2,ooo (Two thousand) civilians just within one night there? Those were women and children. Looks like the party was well planned by Pentagon like in Serbia 10 years ago. Where is Yugoslavia now? Anybody want to wander why did USA killed thousands of Serbs in there?

  • Posted By: vurdalack @ 08/14/2008 9:17:28 AM

    Saakashvili wouldn't go to pee without a "green light" from Washington. Before starting his attack at Zchinvali of course he had it all well planned with his "big bro". I address my question to those who now is arguing about Russia's movement. Do you know that before Russians started to push Georgia more than 2,000 (TWO THOUSAND) civilian people were killed by Georgian army during just one night? What would you say?

  • Posted By: 07071 @ 08/14/2008 8:49:38 AM

    Over 5,000 Georgians have been killed, and several thousand have been injured. The BBC just said that the morgue in S Ossetia has around 40 bodies. Whose propaganda are you going to believe?

  • Posted By: rockefeller @ 08/14/2008 7:50:37 AM

    why are there so much greediness? where in fact, we can live all in harmony- if we truly wanted too. tsk tsk, the nature of man is predestined to be good, but the effects of sin gradually resurfaces,... what do you think?

    peace.

  • Posted By: Vladimir Yozhikov. Russia @ 08/14/2008 4:18:41 AM

    It is good, that there are thinking people. Read not only the western press. Look at a situation our eyes.

    http://top.rbc.ru/english/index.shtml?/news/english/2008/08/13/13182022_bod.shtml

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  • Posted By: celeste47 @ 08/13/2008 11:38:37 AM

    Remember we are still under the war loving Bush administration with a good chance that the war loving McCain will follow. If those idiots choose to go to war with Russia not only will there be a draft.....(remember wars are still going on in Iraq and Afganastan and we don't have enough troops for those wars), but we all risk two nuclear supplied countries with the power to destroy the world.

    If we had not gone into Iraq, Russia would have NEVER attempted this crap because we would have been able to respond.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:23:41 PM

      No one is going to go to war with Russia. (Except idiots like Saakashvili.) Diplomacy and acting like adults does wonders.

      If the US, UK and NATO did not go into Yugoslavia and liberate Kosovo from Serbia, Russia would not have the international precedence to defend South Ossetia's right for independence (Won in 1992). The autonomous de factos of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are insured of their status due to the KOSOVO FACTOR. Georgia was just being a deadly bully, trying to "cleanse" South Ossetia of it's separatists - which Saakashvili KNEW had Russian passports. and, Russia taught the bully a lesson.

      • Posted By: Vladimir Yozhikov. Russia @ 08/14/2008 3:46:19 AM

        It is good, that there are thinking people. Read not only the western press. Look at a situation our eyes. Anybody from Russians does not want war. But also to offend the citizens we shall not allow!

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    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/13/2008 4:48:54 PM

      And we wouldn't need to steal more oil now that we have made most of the people with oil hate us completely... God how stupid of us!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 8:32:40 PM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/mccains-top-foreign-polic_n_118743.html

    John McCain's Lobbyist Buddy Randy Scheunemann a McCain Campaign Cronie was a ....Georgian Lobbyist for YEARS !!!

    This whole Conflict has been Scripted and all for the World to.. SEE
    Remeber Joe Lie-Berman, "If a War Crisis should Happen, who would you want as President" ? Joe Lie-Berman posed that Question, Months ago...Remember ?

    Cn't You all SEE this Conflict, was to make John McCain Seem Presidential, yet that Too has Blown Up in his face as well.


    WASHINGTON : John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

    The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann's personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.

    McCain warned Russian leaders Tuesday that their assault in Georgia risks "the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world."

    On April 17, a month and a half after Scheunemann stopped working for Georgia, his partner signed a $200,000 agreement with the Georgian government. The deal added to an arrangement that brought in more than $800,000 to the two-man firm from 2004 to mid-2007. For the duration of the campaign, Scheunemann is taking a leave of absence from the firm.

    "Scheunemann's work as a lobbyist poses valid questions about McCain's judgment in choosing someone who _ and whose firm _ are paid to promote the interests of other nations," said New York University law professor Stephen Gillers. "So one must ask whether McCain is getting disinterested advice, at least when the issues concern those nations."

    "If McCain wants advice from someone whose private interests as a once and future lobbyist may affect the objectivity of the advice, that's his choice to make."

    McCain has been to Georgia three times since 1997 and "this is an issue that he has been involved with for well over a decade," said McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.

    McCain's strong condemnation in recent days of Russia's military action against Georgia as "totally, absolutely unacceptable" reflects long-standing ties between McCain and hardline conservatives such as Scheunemann, an aide in the 1990s to then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 9:46:28 PM

      How stupid are you? The US encouraged Saakashvili to invade South Ossetia so McCain can appear more Presidential than Obama? You Obama supporters are way to into yourselves - actually you are no different than Saakashvili - who is dumber than ever Bush!

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:41:56 PM

      Too bad the Huffington Post doesn't bother to talk about the 300+ foreign advisers Obama has. His #1, Brzezenski is the most infamous of all. Many say that he single handedly caused the Islamic movement. Does the Carter administration think fondly of the days of the Iranian takeover of the US embassy? Thank Mr Brzezenski's advise for that. How about 9/11 terrorist attacks from al Queda? Thanks to Mr Brzezenski, Osama was given the weapons to fight in Afghanistan and used his new-found power on us.

      Obama's advisers are really quite scarier than even GW Bush.

  • Posted By: MaryUS @ 08/13/2008 9:01:02 PM

    Posted By: N. Jackson ...

    "I''m no friend of Moscow, but for God's sake the Georgians attacked first."

    This from the Ukraine...

    "...On the night of August 7-8, Georgian troops attacked Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, after the Georgian authorities announced that separatists from South Ossetia made several attacks on civilians and peacekeepers in a few villages outside of Tskhinvali.

    South Ossetia asked Russia for help and Russia brought its troops to South Ossetia and became armed resistance against Georgia...."


    Source...

    http://www.ukranews.com/eng/article/141727.html

    From Moscow News...

    "We are not planning to attack anyone. But our partners should clearly understand... that the armed forces will be used if necessary to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and its allies, including on a preventative basis, including with the use of nuclear weapons,"

    Source...read in full
    http://www.mnweekly.ru/news/20080124/55305669.html

    and further from Moscow...
    Russia's Lavrov slams Bush statement on S.Ossetia
    22:30 13/08/2008

    Russia slams Ukraine decree on Black Sea Fleet as anti-Russian
    22:10 13/08/2008

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  • Posted By: Gradivus @ 08/13/2008 11:13:28 AM

    To the comments by strange. They don't want independence they want to rejoin Russia and there are two sides to every conflict. If everyone in S. Ossetia wanted to be seperate they would already be. The U.S. and the E.U. need to get all their facts straight and not listen to 'he says, she says' bologna. U.S. is allied with Georgia, and they should remember that when making their decision on what to do.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/13/2008 4:37:55 PM

      Nope, the frozen conflicts sat frozen until Kosovo was given independence. The lid on the can of whoop-ass was opened then. You can not ignore the will of all the people all the time. The world will not sit Idly by as a few oil boys try and steal all of the worlds supply. You can not threaten Russia's frontiers with ABM systems without repercussions. There are a lot of issues that will get linked to grand concessions to turn all of this off. This has been a breathakingly stupid misadventure. McCrazy's #1 foreign policy man is a registered Georgian lobbyist!!! How G. O. P. to sell out your country.

      • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:30:30 PM

        And, Obama's #1 foreign policy man is none other than Brzezenski whose policy gave Osama all the weapons he needed to get al Aqueda the worldwide power of terror.

  • Posted By: Gradivus @ 08/13/2008 11:14:57 AM

    To the comments by strange. They don't want independence they want to rejoin Russia and there are two sides to every conflict. If everyone in S. Ossetia wanted to be seperate they would already be. The U.S. and the E.U. need to get all their facts straight and not listen to 'he says, she says' bologna. U.S. is allied with Georgia, and they should remember that when making their decision on what to do.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:27:51 PM

      Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia won their independence around 1992. The international community does not recognize the independence status, but does their DE FACTO Autonomous status. (Breakaway). The US can only ally with Georgia regarding Georgia Proper.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 8:26:14 PM

    Georgian President to McCain: "Move from Words to Deeds"


    This Maniac has got to be Kidding !!

    All you Pro-Georgia People, Volunteer to be a "Peace Keeper" in that Region or better still, Enlist in the Military...OK

    I'll lay down Flesh, Blood, Bone and Spirit for Atlanta Ga. Augusta Ga and savanah Ga....But Sakashvilli's Georgia...

    KISS MY BEHIND, WHERE THE SUN....NEVER SHINES !!!
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    Source: The CNN Political Ticker

    Producer Peter Hamby

    This Maniac Sakashvilli has got to be Kidding Me !!

    Sakashvilli Attacked and Killed Many Osettians Thursday Night, without Provocation.... He Started this Invasion, keep this in mind.

    Keep in Mind...



    1. Russia Supplies the USA with Gas & Oil.

    2. Russia has the Largest Stockpile of Nuclear Weapons on Planet Earth !!

    3. Russia also has one of the Largest Militaries On Earth !!

    4. Russia and China are In Agreement on Most Foreign Policies and Performed Joint Military Excercises with China in Aug. of 2007.

    5. Both Russia and China Together would be a Nuclear NightMare, Noone would WIN and we'd Jeopardize our Nation for Manaical Sakashavilli & Georgia...No Way !!



    No American should lay down their Flesh, Blood, Bone and Spirit, for a Man Willfully Blind in Attacking a Seperated Province with Russian Peacekeepers within Osettia

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  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 08/13/2008 12:50:05 PM

    In the matter of fact,
    United States and its allies,
    are busy in Iraq and Afghan9istan,
    there is golden chance for Russia,
    for capturing Georgia easly,
    because he moving toward its score.

    Now Georgia is seprate state,
    United States as a single superpower,
    The united Nations as globle caretaker,
    must be guartee its soverignty.

    As for as Russian 's allegations ,
    the Geoargia has violated the ceasfire,
    it is wrong absolutely wrong has no footings.

    I would like to say it a great consiracy,
    i describe this move as a considered plot ,
    aganist the united nations ,United States,European Union,
    world peace as well.

    Yes,
    I am saying,
    it is may be my personal opinion,
    for essential for anyone ,
    to have full agreement with it,

    It may be a fialed effortto change the mood of those,
    wanted to next set of ecnomic sanction ,
    against Iran.
    and new subject ,
    put before the student for consideration.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:13:27 PM

      NATO, UK, and USA cannot guarantee the sovereignty of Georgia's claim to the de facto autonomous breakaways of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They will only guarantee the sovereignty of Georgia PROPER. It is up to the citizens of South Ossetia and Abkhazia - which was WHY Saakashvili was trying to exterminate them. He sounds more like his fellow countryman, Joseph Stalin - only completely ignorant and cowardly.

  • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 8:07:50 PM

    Saakashvili is really "out to lunch". Never has the United States fought directly against Russia. Does he want the end of the world? Before either side lost, it would just fire the nuclear missiles and ALL LIFE WOULD DIE.

    Saakashvili is nothing more than a mind-less puppet for the Western World. We got the oil and gas pipelines that we wanted from you. Even in his lies, he contradicts himself. If Ossetia is all Russian, WHY WOULD HE WANT TO HAVE OSSETIA???? If he knew Russia had the tanks in North Ossetia, WHY did he invade South Ossetia - with open massive fire? I did not realize that there was an adult alive that could be THAT STUPID! (Not even Bush.) Did he bother to say that the US TOLD HIM NOT TO INVADE SOUTH OSSETIA? Did he really think that all of the Western World would give up their lives for an insane ruler of Georgia?

  • Posted By: N. Jackson @ 08/13/2008 6:32:57 PM

    I'm no friend of Moscow, but for God's sake the Georgians attacked first. The lack of reflection or balance in the United States media's reporting is absurd. If Georgia fears Russia (and perhaps it should) why offer them the provocation? Does that make sense?

  • Posted By: MaryUS @ 08/13/2008 5:55:49 PM

    Will the US also show support? Please God I hope so. If ever states leaning to democracy were worth supporting, the Break Aways are.

    Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves, Polish President Lech Kaczynski, Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus and the Latvian Prime Minister, Ivars Godmanis, went to Georgia to show their solidarity.
    source...http://blog.kievukraine.info/

    On Georgia, back in August of 2007...

    "...the violation of its territory is part of a pattern that reveals much..."

    source...
    http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflicts/caucasus_fractures/georgia_russia_war

  • Posted By: keifek @ 08/13/2008 4:13:56 PM

    Israel is detrmined to drag the US to a war with Iran just like Geogia wanted to drag the US and Nato to a fight with Russia.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/13/2008 4:29:13 PM

      Yes. Exactly. and Bush is just the bully with that Texas-yankee complex and wars of empire, and McCain is right with him, his top Foreign policy adviser wants war. They want to drive Russia off the Black Sea for Oil, and get it started now.

      • Posted By: DumbPplSuck @ 08/13/2008 5:08:56 PM

        First off, you're dumb for calling someone a Texas-Yankee. Those are opposites. Secondly, when did we go to war to drive Russia off of anything for oil? What Bush has said is that Russia should abide by a ceasefire and negotiate with Georgia. There is nothing about a push to the Black Sea or anything. Check your facts.

  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/12/2008 9:46:24 PM

    A couple of points:
    1 In the international media the background to the Russian-Georgian war is given starting from last week and the bombing of Tshinvali. The military conflict has actually been going on for some years with Russian military planes flying over Georgia and ???unidentified??? bombs and rockets falling into Georgia.
    2 The cyberattacks on Georgia started a day before the bombing of Tshinvali.
    3 The Russian citizens in South Ossetia to whose aid Russia purportedly rushed were manufactured by Russia in the last few years. Russia simply handed out its passports to anyone who wanted them in South Ossetia.
    4 The claim that a war is to defend civilians is ridiculous from a logical standpoint alone. Any peace is better than war for civilians. A country whose primary goal was to protect civilians would not go to war or if it was already in one would withdraw as quickly as possible. That applies to all wars, not just the present one in Georgia.
    5 Russia claims that the South Ossetians chose independence from Georgia in a referendum in 2004. A fair referendum in Russian-controlled territory is a contradiction in terms but perhaps South Ossetians really prefer to secede. If Russia wants Ossetians to be independent, it should first grant independence to North Ossetia that is currently part of Russia. That would be a very powerful argument in favour of South Ossetian independence. Russia of course just wants to expand its territory and will incorporate South Ossetia into itself, not give it independence.
    6 Russia claims Georgia has perpetrated genocide in South Ossetia. Considering the number of international advisers, consultants, monitors and no doubt spies in Georgia now a genocide would have been noticed very quickly. No other sources besides Russian ones have confirmed the genocide allegations however. A genocide can be carried out relatively unnoticed only in remote and isolated territories where a great power is denying access to the international community. That happened for example in Chechenya where Russia strongly discouraged international observation.
    7 There are many similarities between the rhetoric and behaviour of Germany in 1938 and Russia in 2008, for example the defending of one???s citizens abroad argument, accusing a smaller country of attacking a larger one, claiming that the world is biased against them, fostering separatism and ethnic conflict in its neighbours??? territories. Carl Bildt drew some good parallels between Russia and Hitler???s Germany in a recent article.

    • Posted By: Marylander from Russia @ 08/12/2008 11:01:28 PM

      You repeat yourself.

      • Posted By: motorherz @ 08/13/2008 6:43:42 AM

        Your claim that "any peace is better than war for civilians" is stunning in its absurdity. This is something millions of Holocaust victims will disagree with you on. And in this case ethnical cleansing and an attack by Georgians is exactly what started it all.

        • Posted By: Braes @ 08/13/2008 4:58:47 PM

          For those in the Holocaust there was no peace, your reference dies there.
          To peoples who have lived through war, they would suffer things you do not understand just to get back to a Maslow II-III. You don't understand, you haven't had enough personal war to get it. (or you must like it.)
          I pity you, for wanting enough war to get her point. Political freedom means nothing and is an abstract concept for 1/2 the people on this planet. Survival and fear. For those civilians, even a local warlord or sharia law is better than anarchy. I know, I served in Somalia. Seven years of being outside the United States in her uniform will wise you up.
          War is an arch double-negative, in that it consumes at all times in order to destroy at a moments notice. It is never good for anyone. I hope God grants you wisdom long before the devil finds you with authority.

    • Posted By: Strange @ 08/13/2008 8:56:10 AM

      Did the US not go into Serbia in the name of bringing peace to the civilians? Did we not going into Kuwait to "liberate" them from Iraq? Did we not regime change Iraq to free its people? Let's not have double standards here. If Kovoso deserves to be a free nation, so does S. Ossetia and the other region. America and the other western nation are calling for Free Tibet, yet you won't even support Independence South Ossetia. They suffer way more brutally under the "Just" hand of Shaakasvili. The problem is not with the Russian or China, they just want to live in a respected way, it is the western allies that is painting a horrible picture of these two nations. Most of the wars and conflicts in the 21st century are the result of western actions.

  • Posted By: keifek @ 08/13/2008 12:20:40 PM

    The US invaded GRENADA beacuse it did not like it's elected goverment, Grenada could never be a threat to any one. the US and the west having double standared here, Georgia acting like a son who turned against his parent with the encourgment and the support of the step parent (US).

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/13/2008 4:47:44 PM

      Now I was in the military then, we did Grenada to prove our radios were crap and that all of the tourist maps led to Cuban troops, and not Medical Students, or the Airport. We also learned that it only takes about 200 Cuban troops to look like elite battalions of dug in communists. Yes, Reagan went after a bug with a jackhammer and the noise drove it away.

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