Engineering Success

I believe that Vivek (author) is right for Americans to learn from Indians because the USA has become a nation of "layabouts"; you have been living off the fat of our 3rd world and like our Malays in Malaysia you expect to be fed without working for it. Anyways, it is interesting to take notice the garbage that is trundelled out as arguements by Vivek. The most obvious example is his claim that China graduates 500,000 engineers per year of which he discounts by a factor of 3 the employable engineers. Having said that we are to assume by his claim that 350,000 Chinese trained engineers do not have the skills to function in their profession. There you have it in a nutshell, the Indian punchant for putting down whatever is about China, and so too the west. THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING CRAP ! You just want to say that the air quality in Beijing is not fit for athletics, RIGHT ?

We Chinese unlike the Indians and the west do not think that all problems has a positive solution so we live with our problems creatively. The problem that Vivek seeks to claim that he knows, is a problem that was created by the west and it is one of those unsolvable problem THE TRUTH IS ONE CAN'T SELL THE SAME PRODUCT FOR FAR MORE THAN OUR COMPETITOR CAN SELL THEM. The west paid themselves for more than was neccessarily required, therefore they cannot reduce their costs for fear of social upheavel. We reclaimed our pre-eminence in the geo-political sphere of human competition; China had been the centre of world science & technology, for more than 5,000 years and we are back. We had been there before and we are now again the leaders of this area of human competition. I always thought that China had been graduating 375,000 engineers per year, but good for China that we produce 500,000 engineers. How is it that Vivek doubts that China graduates 500,000 engineers ? Did he going into research (a favourite turn of pharase) on the unemployment of Chinese engineers ? How does he come up with a factor of 3 for China and a factor of 2 for India and nothing for the USA ? Do these claims mean that American engineers are better trained and everyone of them are sufficiently suitable to function in their profession ?

If you Indians & the USA are wishful enough to think as you would like to think of China look at what our Ch9nese have achieved within a span of 7 years to provide a purpose built sports venue and ask yourself, if India or the USA is chosen to host an Olympics, can you achieve the same result ?

JUST DO NOT CRAP MINDLESSLY ! You can say that of India but not of China.

the US is ***. India will take over China. Just watch. (Insert Sarcasm)

The US has always been a high wage, high automation nation. This is how we became prosperous. The only other time we got rich on cheap labor was during the years of slavery. The American people will not put up with a situation where US labor is devalued by outsourcing, offshoring and use of illegal immigration.

Unlike NASA which needs the brains to be stationed at the US job site itself thus employing many top Indian brains and brought them to the US, most companies have no choice but to outsource cheaply where possible. It is a necessity for economic survival. Cheap overhead for companies will translate to affordability by the consumers. Training or re-training especially in house training is also a necessity and the cheapest and most effective way to achieve the production goals with all the advantages.

There are many things about India that we do not want to transfer over to the US. Employees are routinely abused. People are pitted against each other in order to control the group. Creativity and suggestions are frowned upon or even punished as the bosses take the attitude that if there was something worth knowing, they would already know it. The culture is to act like you know everything, even if you know nothing.

The real secret of Indian business is their clever use of mercantilism. They demand free trade with other nations but they close off their own markets. They scuttled the Doha trade agreement saying it might hurt their farmers in the future. Of course the Indian government could have given any displaced farmers trade assistance money, but they did not want to pay for it. Instead they resort to the old beggar trick of saying that they cannot open their markets because they are poor and were abused by colonialists, blah, blah, blah. But, they want to leech off the American job market.

What America needs to learn is to quit entering into one-way trade agreements and visa policies that hollow out their own labor market. We the people need to control greedy CEOs who use outsourcing and offshoring as a stick to beat down all employees in the US and to keep their wages in decline. Whose country is this anyway?

I've spent the last 2 years hiring and training employees in Bangalore in software develoment.. Their education in IT is somewhat focused for this line of work. I'd give it a C+ compared to an American graduate of the same degree level. Their resumes are overstated and maybe 20% are employable as trainees. Getting to know so many, I found that heir overall basic education - K-12 - is very sparse compared to what a high-school graduate in America has absorbed in those years. I've spent much time and effort training there only to have many leave when the work gets challenging. And we're suppose to follow their lead on training? And don't get me started on the cultural differences that hinder productivity.

Another Indian blowing India's horn.

If somebody has ears, this person is telling the truth about "training" and abilities of all the people coming to US through Visa programs. In Immigrant communities this has become a joke these days. Same jobs clould be done here with some training. But, US workforce will have to be realistic and competitive in their salary demands. Same goes with our colleges and universities.. which give so much trouble for our own students to find the right path, overstraining them and overcharging them like any other business. What we need is lower cost training places, some redirection for our youth.