‘Sinful Saakashvili’ or Hero?

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  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/13/2008 7:43:22 PM

    Proposition: Russia???s objective is to rule the world.
    Proof: Russia seeks to restore itself to Soviet Union size by the admission of Russian leadership (calling the fall of the Soviet Union the greatest catastrophe in the 20th century, promising to protect its interests in any country by any means, including military). Russia, like other countries and people, prefers more to less. If given the choice between the Soviet Union territory and that plus one other territory Russia will choose the second option. In a choice between Soviet Union plus one and Soviet Union plus two countries again the second choice is made. Iterating this argument we get that Russia would most prefer to rule the entire world.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 9:30:55 PM

      Enjoy your President Saakashvili. I didn't think any other country could have a leader dumber than George W Bush, but Saakashvili takes the crown for complete stupidity. No one in their right mind would have believed that any country is going to go to war with Russia or China. That would be the end of the world. Do you realize that they also have nuclear weapons that can destroy the entire world several times over?

      Grow up and learn to live WITH your neighbors peacefully. And stop trying to be a bully.

  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/13/2008 7:43:05 PM

    A couple of points:
    1 In the international media the background to the Russian-Georgian war is given starting from last week and the bombing of Tshinvali. The military conflict has actually been going on for some years with Russian military planes flying over Georgia and ???unidentified??? bombs and rockets falling into Georgia.
    2 The cyberattacks on Georgia started a day before the bombing of Tshinvali.
    3 The Russian citizens in South Ossetia to whose aid Russia purportedly rushed were manufactured by Russia in the last few years. Russia simply handed out its passports to anyone who wanted them in South Ossetia.
    4 The Russian claim that a war is to defend civilians is ridiculous from a logical standpoint alone. Any peace is better than war for civilians. A country whose primary goal was to protect civilians would not go to war or if it was already in one would withdraw as quickly as possible. That applies to all wars, not just the present one in Georgia.
    5 Russia claims that the South Ossetians chose independence from Georgia in a referendum in 2004. A fair referendum in Russian-controlled territory is a contradiction in terms but perhaps South Ossetians really prefer to secede. If Russia wants Ossetians to be independent, it should first grant independence to North Ossetia that is currently part of Russia. That would be a very powerful argument in favour of South Ossetian independence. Russia of course just wants to expand its territory and will incorporate South Ossetia into itself, not give it independence.
    6 Russia claims Georgia has perpetrated genocide in South Ossetia. Considering the number of international advisers, consultants, monitors and no doubt spies in Georgia now a genocide would have been noticed very quickly. No other sources besides Russian ones have confirmed the genocide allegations however. A genocide can be carried out relatively unnoticed only in remote and isolated territories where a great power is denying access to the international community. That happened for example in Chechenya where Russia strongly discouraged international observation.
    7 There are many similarities between the rhetoric and behaviour of Germany in 1938 and Russia in 2008, for example the defending of one???s citizens abroad argument, accusing a smaller country of attacking a larger one, claiming that the world is biased against them, fostering separatism and ethnic conflict in its neighbours??? territories. Carl Bildt drew some good parallels between Russia and Hitler???s Germany in a recent article.
    8 On the internet the Russian viewpoint is more widely represented than the Georgian simply because the number of potential commenters and bloggers in Russia is much larger than in Georgia.
    The method Russia seems to be using in gaining its objective of restoring the Soviet Union is to separate a piece from another country and then move in its ???piecekeepers??? to keep that piece for itself.

    • Posted By: Marylander from Russia @ 08/13/2008 8:18:18 PM

      <8 On the internet the Russian viewpoint is more widely represented than the Georgian simply because the number of potential commenters and bloggers in Russia is much larger than in Georgia.>
      Do you know that Georgians population in Moscow,capital Russia, consists of about 1 million people?
      Think about it...

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 8:02:11 PM

    Georgian President to McCain: Move ???from Words to Deeds???


    This Maniac has got to be Kidding !!

    All you Pro-georgia People, Volunteer to be a "Peace Keeper" in that Region or better still, Enlist in the Military...OK

    I'll lay down Flesh, Blood, Bone and Spirit for Atlanta Ga. Augusta Ga and savanah Ga....But Sakashvilli's Georgia...

    KISS MY BEHIND, WHERE THE SUN....NEVER SHINES !!!
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    Source: The CNN Political Ticker

    Producer Peter Hamby

    This Maniac Sakashvilli has got to be Kidding Me !!

    Sakashvilli Attacked and Killed Many Osettians Thursday Night, without Provocation.... He Started this Invasion, keep this in mind.

    Keep in Mind...



    1. Russia Supplies the USA with Gas & Oil.

    2. Russia has the Largest Stockpile of Nuclear Weapons on Planet Earth !!

    3. Russia also has one of the Largest Militaries On Earth !!

    4. Russia and China are In Agreement on Most Foreign Policies and Performed Joint Military Excercises with China in Aug. of 2007.

    5. Both Russia and China Together would be a Nuclear NightMare, Noone would WIN and we'd Jeopardize our Nation for Manaical Sakashavilli & Georgia...No Way !!



    No American should lay down their Flesh, Blood, Bone and Spirit, for a Man Willfully Blind in Attacking a Seperated Province with Russian Peacekeepers within Osettia

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    (CNN) ??? Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Wednesday called for John McCain and other American leaders to do more for Georgia in their response to the conflict in his country.

    "Yesterday, I heard Sen. McCain say, 'We are all Georgians now,'" Saakashvili said on CNN's American Morning. "Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it's time to pass from this. From words to deeds."

    McCain told a crowd in Pennsylvania yesterday that he had called Saakashvili to express solidarity with the people of Georgia, saying: "Today, we are all Georgians."

    McCain's foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann a Long Time (Georgian Lobbyist) told reporters on the campaign plane Tuesday that McCain's remark "obviously meant a lot to Saakashvili personally, but more importantly the message it conveyed to the Georgian people in this really, time of unprecedented national emergency." Scheunemann said McCain and Saakashvili are friends who have speaking daily throughout the crisis.


    But Saakashvili said action is more important than rhetoric in the face of "brutal" and "deliberate" Russian violence. He urged the United States to take the lead in installing an international peacekeeping force.

    "We should realize what is at stake here for Americans," he said. "America is losing the whole region."

    "What Americans should do know, first of all, clearly make known their intentions," he said.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/13/2008 3:59:28 PM

    Georgian president to McCain: Move 'from Words to Deeds'

    08:50 AM ET

    McCain has done himself in and Obama's Wisdom looks all the ...MORE CREDIBLE

    That Maniac "Sakashvilli" has done himself in...BIG TIME, he's looked upon, like the CLOWN and False Pretense CLOWN, that he is !!!

    Sarkozy, Bush, C.Rice are actually doing what Obama says we should do, Negoiate, before any Military Might, to use Military Might, as the last resort, an also the CFR's President Richard Haas says that Sakashvilli and Georgia started this Conflict and that there is Very little we can do.

    All that side with the "Crazy Maniac" Sakashvilli, go an Inlist or Volunteer your Life and your legal of age Sons and Daughters, to Defend (Georgia)

    While the rest of the USA will stand up and Defend the State of (Georgia) in the US Of A...Only !!


    From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby



    Watch the entire interview with President Saakashvili.

    (CNN) ??? Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili on Wednesday called for John McCain and other American leaders to do more for Georgia in their response to the conflict in his country.

    ???Yesterday, I heard Sen. McCain say, ???We are all Georgians now,?????? Saakashvili said on CNN???s American Morning. ???Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it???s time to pass from this. From words to deeds.???

    McCain told a crowd in Pennsylvania yesterday that he had called Saakashvili to express solidarity with the people of Georgia, saying: ???Today, we are all Georgians.???

    McCain???s foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann told reporters on the campaign plane Tuesday that McCain???s remark ???obviously meant a lot to Saakashvili personally, but more importantly the message it conveyed to the Georgian people in this really, time of unprecedented national emergency.??? Scheunemann said McCain and Saakashvili are friends who have speaking daily throughout the crisis.


    But Saakashvili said action is more important than rhetoric in the face of ???brutal??? and ???deliberate??? Russian violence. He urged the United States to take the lead in installing an international peacekeeping force.

    ???We should realize what is at stake here for Americans,??? he said. ???America is losing the whole region.???

    ???What Americans should do know, first of all, clearly make known their intentions,??? he said.

    • Posted By: solifugus @ 08/13/2008 4:33:03 PM

      The U.S. potential for action in Georgia was very limited. I am glad we shipped their 2,000 soldiers in from Iraq. The Department of Defense could also have provided critical battle field intelligence, enabling Georgian mechanized units to attempt to draw out and destroy Russian units piecemeal--at least keeping them busy and slowing them down.

      U.S. action begins now, in reconstruction, revitalization of the Georgian economy, and modernization of the Georgian armed forces. Russian sponsored instabilities in the Crimea and Estontian/Latvian border may likely flare up at some point. At that point, Georgia may have an other opportunity to retake the rebel regions, if they are prepared.

      The mountain pass north of Tskinvali is a perfect bottleneck that, if fortified, could hold of the Russian horde indefinitely (think 300). Georgian forces could then focus on the northern mountains of Abkhazia and the coastline. With conflict in the Crimea, home of Russia's famed Black Sea Fleet, a coastal asault would be nearly impossible for the Russians to conduct. Meanwhile, Poland would likely come to the aid of Ukraine's eastern border region and the Crimea. In that conflict, the Ukrainians will need to move quickly to push Russia out of its ports. Otherwise they'll have to defend from the mountains in the neck of the Crimea of which the Russians would find makes an ideal line upon which to settle.

      Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and now Georgia must all be fully aware that NATO will not assist them in a direct military manner, beyond battle field intelligence. They know Russia's interests against them. But, other than Georgia being isolated from them, they are a strong block.

      • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 7:32:46 PM

        If the Western World allowed Georgia to overtake South Ossetia and Abkhazia, we would have to condemn ourselves for bombing Yugoslovia to free Kosovo. Do not forget that Milosevic was brought up for geneocide charges at The Hague. We have what is known as the KOSOVO FACTOR. Autonomous regions are recognized as de facto independent and will remain de facto independent as long as the citizens of those regions wish. Hence, that is why Russia peacekeepers were in both regions.

        No civilized country will go to war with Russia, just as no civilized country will go to war with China. Grow up and learn to become independent on your own. Learn how to get along with your neighbors. Russia will only get a slap on the wrist. It will be Saakashvili who will pay the price for his blunder.

      • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/13/2008 5:19:14 PM

        So what you're saying is that indirectly, all these bombs fell on the U.S. taxpayer. Pretty smooth move. We're already going the way of the Soviet Union, nation-building just accelerates things.

  • Posted By: CollosalDreams @ 08/13/2008 1:13:36 PM

    Look above.. This is why America and Europe must be kept strong (you hear that Europe?) because the reality is, in this world if you want to survive you must be strong. It???s been the law of nature from the beginning. I don't want to see the world get thrown further into the dark ages of totalitarianism. That is what Putin???s Stalinist communism will do. That is what Al Qaeda Islam will do. America and the west isn't perfect but it is where human progress is made. This must be kept alive and be strong enough to defeat suppressive regimes that promote ignorance and suppression through violence and strong arm tactics. Putin is a sneaky ex KGB bastard and too many of his enemies have been poisoned or assassinated for him to be trusted. He has ambitions that are against the free world???s best interests.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 7:19:40 PM

      Stalin was a Georgian. From Gori, Georgia, who proudly display his statue, his birthplace is a national museum. He is there most famous citizen.

  • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/13/2008 7:13:25 PM

    Anyone with half a brain would know that we will NOT go to war with Russia. Saakashvili is as dumb and he is a liar and a coward.

    As bad as Saakashvili's fellow countryman, Joseph Stalin, was, we JOINED forces in World War II to defeat Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Japan. Do not forget that Stalin was the most brutal ruler of the Soviet Union and do not forget that he was a Georgian. Do not forget that it was a Georgian who ordered the mass execution of Polish people, the worst case of genocide. Do not forget that it was a Georgian who ordered the "cleansing" of South Ossetia's separatists.

    Russia cannot ask for a regime change for Georgia, but it can bring Saakashvili up for charges of ethnic cleansing - which they have. Bush and McCain are right, this does need diplomacy, and Russia does need to go back north of Gori and just outside of Abkhazia. The diplomacy should include clear buffer zones that Georgian troops cannot enter. It does not require any US troops to be within Georgia. The time will come soon enough for the truth of Saakashvili to come out. There should be no further deaths of civilians - Georgian, South Ossetian or Abkhazian.

    It is about time MSM finally prints an article against Saakashvili.

  • Posted By: Marylander from Russia @ 08/13/2008 6:58:21 PM

    Correction: Arcadij Babchenko works for the " Art of War".

  • Posted By: Marylander from Russia @ 08/13/2008 6:44:36 PM

    Here is pictures of the South Ossetia, made by Arcadij Babchenko, journalist from "Skill of the war"(Iskusstvo Voiniy":
    http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112
    http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111

  • Posted By: Sickrat @ 08/13/2008 6:16:57 PM

    I guess if Russia is a bear, Saakashvili's regime is a skunk.

  • Posted By: newage_lightbulb @ 08/13/2008 1:28:47 AM

    "With his total lack of leadership, we have become a second class Country not even capable of invading and conquering "third" world Countries"

    Except we have invaded and conquered Iraq. It's Afghanistan - the UN's project - that is failing. Which really points out the fault with your idiotic liberal thinking.

    • Posted By: ozarkajuice @ 08/13/2008 5:24:14 PM

      WOW when did we conquer Iraq? if that was the case, our soldiers shouldnt be dying each week.

  • Posted By: newage_lightbulb @ 08/13/2008 1:30:34 AM

    "Bin Laden and jihaadism in general were monsters made by us"

    No, they weren't, any more than the fact that you feed your kid means you're responsible if he becomes a serial killer. Bin Laden was a clerk during the Afghan struggle we funded, and jihaadism is just religious extremism.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/13/2008 1:59:49 AM

      Should I bother replying to this? Do your homework. It's well known that our CIA trained, supplied and organized the resistance in Afghanistan to combat the Soviet occupation during the Cold War.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

      • Posted By: newage_lightbulb @ 08/13/2008 2:16:17 AM

        "Comment: Should I bother replying to this? Do your homework. It's well known that our CIA trained, supplied and organized the resistance in Afghanistan to combat the Soviet occupation during the Cold War."

        Another obvious ruse - baiting with one argument, then closing with another.

        The CIA funded resistance in Afghanistan. Our biggest enemy at the time - the USSR - wanted to invade the lands, kill and/or convert the population, and take their oil. So quite logically we funded the opposite side, and provided them with all the assistance we could.

        In addition to saving the Afghani people from Russian occupation, this campaign is widely considered a major cause of the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

        I think those are all positives.

        On the negative side, some of the people we funded turned out to be bad guys, started their own bad guy organization, and attacked us. In reality, this is exactly like a criminal shooting someone in the street in any country in the world. Yes, the criminal is in some regard the 'product' of the system, but we also recognize the individual responsibility of that criminal for their own actions.

        The US did not 'create' Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or jihaadism. Turns out there are bad guys in the world. Who knew.

        • Posted By: ozarkajuice @ 08/13/2008 5:22:55 PM

          acutally we sorta did creat Al Qaeda. reason is we promised Afghan that we would help rebuild their nation after they wont agains russia. but after the war, we turned our backs on them and didnt fullfill our promise. as for your theory (yes i said Theory) of USSR collapse, its free comedy at its best.

        • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/13/2008 2:33:10 AM

          Actually the CIA has a term for it - its called "blow back". It happened with Saddam Hussein ( one very expensive criminal ( as you might call it ), who we propped up to counter another case of blow back, the Islamic Revolution in Iran which came about as a reaction to our puppet, the Shah ). I don't mind discussing history and debating with you, but please spare us the drama. Ad hominem attacks just undermine your own position. I disagree with you by the way that the Afghan war caused the collapse of the Soviet Union. If that were the case, then I think you give too much credit to managed economies, versus the free market. The Soviets went broke because managed economies cannot grow and adjust over time the way free markets do.

  • Posted By: NomadM @ 08/13/2008 3:19:03 PM

    That probably has some basis in fact, however, if a head of state doesn't know how to play the game with the big boys, he or she will be send home bruised and crying. Georgia must have known there was a Russian military buildup. What were they thinking?

    • Posted By: solifugus @ 08/13/2008 4:02:18 PM

      Right. Clearly, the Georgian president allowed himself to be sucker punched. He wasn't too bright, likely thinking Russia wouldn't really attack for concern of Western involvement. With most of the world media focus on the Olympic games, I haven't met too many Americans who know there was a war. The next Russian conflict could well be Ukraine's Crimea or Latvia's border with Estonia.

  • Posted By: Retsos Nikos @ 08/13/2008 9:34:19 AM

    Saakashvili "Sinful or hero?" Neither. He is a buffoon. When a CNN reporter asked him if he thought he could beat the Russians militarily when he attacked South Ossettia's capital Tskhinvali, he replied: "I am not crazy." He is mischievous and immature, as is all of his appointees in the Georgian government. Most of them seem to be less than 30 years old, with no prior experience in government or military. Add to that the training by U.S. advisers that have the American superpower ego mentality, and the Georgian government is a bunch of amateur politicians anxious to become heroes and idols of their country as soon as possible. But there is a big difference between military training and indoctrination, and between nationalistic rhetoric and starting a war. Unfortunately for Saakashvili, his military attack on Tskhinvali was
    the epitome of his cockish mentality embedded in him by his American military advisers which represent the typical George Bush mentality. Former Mexican president, Vicente Fox, said on his memoirs that he "had never me a cockiest person than George Bush on his life." But for Saakashvili to imitate Bush's cockiness against Russia was like a street punk taking on a Sumo wrestler, and then claiming "he was not crazy."

    Saakashvili prove himself to be ignorant of Russia's history, and of the geopolitical interests of the big powers and those who serve as their vassals. Unfortunately his learning has cost thousands of lives unnecessarily, billions of dollars destruction, the de facto loss of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia Plus,
    he made himself a problem for both the U.S., Europe and Russia. His future is quite bleak - if he has any. In the heat of war, many Georgians who never liked him stayed mum, but as the wreckage of his destroyed army is cleared from the battlefield, the Georgian opposition will become more emboldened and surely will seek to replace him with a more seasoned politician. Not every Georgian see the U.S. as their savior, and, after the war, even those who thought so are now coming to their senses. The U.S. may be a superpower against smaller and weaker countries elsewhere, but not against Russia in the Caucasus. Hitler learned
    the lesson the hard way when he invaded Russia; the U.S. learned the lesson the hard way when it created
    the massive mercenary armies of Chechoslovak General Kolchak, and Russian General Denikin to overthrow Soviet communism, they were defeated and destroyed by the Bolsheviks, and Saakashvili learned his lesson when he invaded Tskhinvali. It is time now for Saakshvili to lick his wounds, and then sit down and study a little Russian history. Nikos Retsos, retired historian and former military officer.
    and

    • Posted By: Circus_left_but_the_clowns_are_left_behind @ 08/13/2008 3:44:30 PM

      At least one sober review. I would just add a couple of things. Was anyone surprised to see the Georgian President on CNN right after the first rockets fell on Tshinvali, declaring that Russia is invading Georgia, even though the actual troops entered Georgia a day after? I think you should. In the first place, how come the CNN was there waiting and ready to broadcast? Are they so quick and well organized? Well, then, perhaps, we should ask them to carry on with the Iraq operation, maybe it???ll be done and over in a couple of weeks. Or was it a well planned maneuver with well organized media coverage? Notice, not even a single photo from Tshinvali. Why? Afraid to show what is there now? Russian was building up the troops. Of course, it was. What do you expect them to do while American troops carried on joint exercises with the Georgian army? What would America do if Texas broke away and the Russian military was conducting joint exercises with the Texan Army and resupplying them with Russian weaponry? When are you people going to wake up? The country is in two conflicts already (Iraq & Afghanistan). Dollar is falling due to enormous military expenditures. Mortgage market in a permanent collapse. Federal Reserve prints money like nuts. Pirates at the Treasury are bailing the banks with our pension fund, promising the banks that our mortgages will be active until the day we die. Industrial production fled to China and India. Country is overrun by illegal immigration. And in the middle of this, the idiotic government is trying to stir up two more conflict it really needs right now.

  • Posted By: solifugus @ 08/13/2008 1:38:21 PM

    This was a sucker punch. Russia built up its invasion force north of the border prior to the invasion of South Ossetia by the Georgian army. The Russian "peacekeepers" armed and the Ossetian rebels and after the Russians built up on the border, rebel attacks were launched against the Georgians. This is what the Georgian army responded to when they went into Tskinvali. It was a sucker punch by the Russians just needing an excuse to invade.

  • Posted By: Russian from Russia @ 08/13/2008 6:09:05 AM

    Hello.
    Yes. Maybe, My country is a Bear. But, I???m so sorry, we are very, very peas full bear. Millions of Russians live in other countries after crash of Soviet Union. We think, that in some countries our brothers are discriminated (the problems in Ukraine, Baltic countries, Moldova, Middle Asia). But, with all this countries we have normal diplomatic contacts, we discuss. We give a diplomatic protests. Our citizens demonstrate. WY NOT?
    But in Georgia, this mad dog ???Misha??? and their troops KILL our brothers. Mass kill. The Lord forgets all, exclude the Deal of Juda Iscariot. We are not Judas. If anybody kills our brothers, we must to be hand-to-hand with our brothers. And with our ???Kalashnikovs??? in our hands. And in this situation all world can to go to the Hell, if this world is across of us. We are right before The Got.
    We don???t want the Georgia. Here life is a here life. These are not our deal. Georgian President, Congress, politic system, the Georgian people, territory, resources, money ??? these isn???t interest and these isn???t impotent for us. But we come back from South Ossetia and Abkhazia ONLY after the words of our brothers: ???We are careful. These tragedy is newer impossible in the future???.
    This is our Russian Truth.
    Sorry for my poor English.

  • Posted By: Russian from Russia @ 08/13/2008 6:08:39 AM

    Hello.
    Yes. Maybe, My country is a Bear. But, I???m so sorry, we are very, very peas full bear. Millions of Russians live in other countries after crash of Soviet Union. We think, that in some countries our brothers are discriminated (the problems in Ukraine, Baltic countries, Moldova, Middle Asia). But, with all this countries we have normal diplomatic contacts, we discuss. We give a diplomatic protests. Our citizens demonstrate. WY NOT?
    But in Georgia, this mad dog ???Misha??? and their troops KILL our brothers. Mass kill. The Lord forgets all, exclude the Deal of Juda Iscariot. We are not Judas. If anybody kills our brothers, we must to be hand-to-hand with our brothers. And with our ???Kalashnikovs??? in our hands. And in this situation all world can to go to the Hell, if this world is across of us. We are right before The Got.
    We don???t want the Georgia. Here life is a here life. These are not our deal. Georgian President, Congress, politic system, the Georgian people, territory, resources, money ??? these isn???t interest and these isn???t impotent for us. But we come back from South Ossetia and Abkhazia ONLY after the words of our brothers: ???We are careful. These tragedy is newer impossible in the future???.
    This is our Russian Truth.
    Sorry for my poor English.

  • Posted By: Tinny @ 08/13/2008 5:55:27 AM

    It is quite clear that it was the Georgians who initiated these attacks. The Russians retaliated in full force, as had been expected. Who really is to blame for this destruction and loss of human life? In reading the description of the extensive damage after the Russian retaliation, I am reminded of the destruction wrought upon Iraq by American air power and military might, but in that scenario the American media was celebrating and not condemning. The pot never seems to cease calling the kettle black. C. Summers, Canada

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 08/13/2008 5:52:43 AM

    Knowing that on its own Georgia could never take control of South Ossetia,Saakashvili was foolish to go ahead with the military action. But what made him do so was because of the consent given to him by the US to go ahead just like Saddam Hussien invading Kuwait. Saakashvili is a double bloody fool for trusting the US and its allies. The US is not concern about the well being of Georgia but more interested in intimidating Russia. He has become a joke.

  • Posted By: guxiangdeyun @ 08/13/2008 4:26:22 AM

    Saakashvili is delusional probably has mad cow disease that has inflicted his brain

  • Posted By: Sickrat @ 08/13/2008 3:00:05 AM

    Russia's response to the Georgian attack has clearly been disproportionate. Now that Georgia has released its official body count, we see that 175 Georgians have died, vs. 1500+ Russians, mostly civilians. A proportionate response by the US in similar circumstances would be 200,000+ enemy dead. Russia, of course, will be cricified by the West for its lack of proportion.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/13/2008 3:17:23 AM

      No one wants to consider that we've both directly and indirectly killed more people in Iraq than Saddam or his sons would have killed in their ENTIRE career. But then again, Iraq wasn't just about Saddam. Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a patently evil man and deserved what he got, but the end result was that we've manufactured MORE enemies for the USA than we had prior to the war. Of course if the CIA took out Saddam with a bullet, that would not have effectively taken a nationalized oil industry and privatized it so western corporations could put their finger in the pie, nor would it have ripped Iraq out of Russia's economic sphere, or helped our friends in Israel maintain their military hegemony in the region, or helped certain corporations make a mint at the expense of the US taxpayer ( before they so "patriotically" relocated to Dubai to avoid taxes and oversight ). Its hard not to discuss Iraq when looking at this Georgia mess. Almost the same ****, different country. We prop up a foreign puppet in a strategic game of chess, sell them weapons, train their military, and then they go off and shell civilians. Then we try to spin it in our media so we look like we had nothing to do with it. And of course, no one tries to make a comparison between the freedom loving Ossetians and the freedom loving Kosovars. It seems Freedom is only useful as an export if it cripples and cannibalizes an obstinate government. I support democracy, but I think people ought to claim it for themselves, otherwise it will never really "take", even if you hand it to them.

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