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  • Posted By: terrestrial_man @ 08/14/2008 2:59:03 PM

    The police did not follow normal police procedure in this affair. Normal surveillance would have made an attempt to tie in the home of delivery into the narcotics ring by background searches. This is a no brainer and would only have taken a few minutes to ascertain the residents and to muster up enough background materials to determine the who and the affiliations that the suspects may have had to the illicit operation. I definitely see a significant lawsuit in the future for a police department that has overstepped its mandated authority.

  • Posted By: spencer08 @ 08/14/2008 8:49:59 AM

    Yes! what happened to the Calvos is unfortunate and should have been handled better. You forget, the police are people too with their own families to think about. If those dogs had gotten loose and killed any of them, we will all been willing to put flowers and feel sorry. Any human police or not, will first react when they are been attacked, some of those reactions may not be just appropriate. We should be lenient with out assassination of the police. I believe some of them are ruthless, but they a few and far in between that should not tarnish the hard work that many do year in year out with very little money.
    Second point, the patriot Act started with the GWB administration. That clearly says law enforcement can break down your doors with "probable cause". There was drug delivered and addressed to the Major's wife. It turned out that she was innocent in all these and the police should have traded a little bit more carefully in their handling of the situation. Third point, the criminals are getting the big guns and the up to date high tech weapons as well...so what are the police to do?

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 08/14/2008 11:17:32 AM

      Spencer,

      What you fail to understadn is that this is not a single mistake but a way of life and process for the PG Polcie and PG Sheriff's office. Therefore they have NO valid reason. They are just thugs.

      They were NOT beign attacked. THEY were doing the attacking. They were the criminals.

      They should not have treaded more carefully. They should have done their job correctly which they failed to do. They are to follow the law which they did not.

  • Posted By: Zendave @ 08/13/2008 6:09:16 PM

    America has become a police state...and we don't even have universal health care.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/14/2008 11:13:34 AM

      Because Oligarchies aren't scientific workers socialism. Eventually the last Republican will enslave and own his neighbor, and blame his gardner for the difficulty.

  • Posted By: PSYOP @ 08/13/2008 7:58:05 PM

    Great work by Davis Reagan! This article makes the valid point that Americans have traded security for freedom. I especially like the Sherrif's propaganda that "the Calvo's were the victims of drug traffickers." I'm pretty sure he meant "the Calvo's were the victims of police drug warriors." Just this week, at least 4 seperate police officers were arrested for drug trafficking and rape. Also, 2 police officers were acquitted of shooting two unarmed men in New Orleans. People, it's time to WAKE UP!!!"

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/14/2008 11:07:01 AM

      Cops now will kill you. This isn't wally and beav's 1950's. I make the assumption that I am within the shadow of the spectre of death anytime I see a cop in the United States.

  • Posted By: phokus @ 08/14/2008 12:15:31 AM

    "While rare, these cases say something about our culture. "

    Unfortunately, they are not rare. Check out the Cato Institute's own botched drug raid map:

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  • Posted By: happytravelling @ 08/13/2008 10:37:02 PM

    What amazes me is the initial reaction from the police that they had a no-knock warrant. The fact that they did not shows the way they will wipe this clean. And I like the way the police chief is outraged that there will be a federal civil rights review. Now he won't just be able to whitewash this away.

  • Posted By: lambcannon @ 08/13/2008 10:25:48 PM

    The most compelling reason to legalize drugs there is. Naked aggression towards the bill of rights and humanity itself has become normal behavior. Young "cops" raised in an atmosphere where might makes right, and you are always right, is the problem.

    McCain says, "We are all Georgians". I say we are all Beryn

  • Posted By: lambcannon @ 08/13/2008 10:22:57 PM

    Let's not blame this on the dubious "homeland security."

    These are young cops, trained to be thugs by thugs, who think they are always in the right no matter who gets killed, maimed, humiliated, publically, taser'd, etc. etc.


    Even if you care about individual rights, and who does, this is not justifiable behavior around marijuana. This is hysteria, plain and simple.


  • Posted By: ssn586 @ 08/13/2008 10:10:36 PM

    Zero-toleranc at work. What a great idea. I say we should abolish homeland security. I blame them more than anyone else.

  • Posted By: natlava @ 08/13/2008 9:52:08 PM

    I think it's best if we all continue to pretend that we live in a free society, certainly if we raise too many questions we will be tagged as being unpatriotic. Fear of such a label has kept media and politicians silent on almost any issue where our freedoms are squashed in the name of whatever works. Damn 1984 was a funny movie.

  • Posted By: nutgrape @ 08/13/2008 9:42:29 PM

    The use of no knock warrants has gotten out of control. The police are killing innocent people on a regular basis now. They are doing it because they are afraid. Afraid that if they give warning, one of them might be hurt or killed. All their macho swagger is just for show, they live in fear.
    The only answer is, as always, for the people to rise up and end it. If a group of masked men invade your home with no waring, kill as many of them as possible. Hopefully you can get all of them, as they really don't expect resistance. Then hire a lawyer again oping they are all dead as a dead cop can't testilie.

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 08/13/2008 9:28:30 PM

    The terrorists don't have to do one other thing to America; unfortunately we will do the rest to ourselves. Since when do Americans live in fear? I rebuke that entire idea. Man up, people.

  • Posted By: RDVernon @ 08/13/2008 9:10:54 PM

    America. Love it or leave it. As with an abusive spouse, it's time to say enough is enough. Canada, here I come.

  • Posted By: Srkdqltr @ 08/13/2008 7:49:22 PM

    The police killed the dogs because the Mother -in -Law screamed. Shame on them. They act like third world Storm Troopers. The whole law inforsement of that County should hang their heads. Ever since 9-11 our freedoms have eroded it's a slippery slope and we are going down.

  • Posted By: Srkdqltr @ 08/13/2008 7:46:21 PM

    The police said at the time they shot the dogs because the Mother in Law scremed.
    Shame on them. They sound liike Storm Troopers in a third world country. Since 9-11 we have been loosing freedoms. To quote .. it's a slippery slope, and we are sliding down it.

  • Posted By: jalaroc @ 08/13/2008 7:07:36 PM

    I think the problems come down to the fact that law enforcement sees itself now as less a servant of the people and more an enforcer of the government's laws. This goes hand in hand with the government seeing the people as accountable it it as its property and denying the fact that the government, according to the constitution, is answerable to the people. It's like that *** detective down in florida who thought he was owed free coffee by starbucks by virtue of the fact that he was a police officer of some authority. One could easily imagine such behavior in russia, nazis germany, or, more appropriately, occupied france. The people are no longer the masters of our society, we are cowed servants who dare not raise our heads too high or complain too loudly for fear of being called disloyal, a malcontent, or being placed on "the list" of people to be watched. No one can deny that the job of the police officer is a dangerous one and they have the right to use sufficient force to protect their own lives and the lives of others. But what we saw in this raid is indicative of an all too familiar "cowboyism" that is pervading our government. Playing it fast and loose and under the impression that you're not answerable to anyone because we're bad asses. It is a failure of leadership from the top on down and it is a problem of the culture which needs to be addressed.

  • Posted By: Yuseff @ 08/13/2008 12:54:51 PM

    I really feel for the Calvo family. This was a shame. However if they were a Black or Hispanic family living in the so called inner city many people, especially conservatives would be applauding the police's actions even though no drugs were found.

    I apologize if I'm playing the race card (I probably am) but I just wanted to say that this type of thing does happen to minorities (and some poor whites) all the time. And like poor Mayor Calvo they never ever get an apology.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 08/13/2008 2:09:29 PM

      Drugs were found. The package they recieved was full of drugs. Unfortunately for the Mayor and his wifes they were unwitting victims of a scheme where the criminals intended to intercept the drugs through a crooked Fed Ex driver. The police followed the package and didn't know about the inside man instead they unwittingly replaced the driver with an officer and delivered the package to the person it was addressed to when the suspect took the package inside they thought they had their man.

      As for minorities I agree they are at a huge disadvantage when this kind of thing happens. I am not sure the solution but I don't think the police are out of control I think it is a necessary function of our police force who is actively engaged with criminals on a daily basis. How many successful raids are there for every screw up?

      • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 08/13/2008 3:35:42 PM

        onepoker,

        It is one thing to do a necessary raid. It is another thing to act like Blackwater terrorist/thugs, which is what the PG police and Sheriffs did. The did NOT have a "no-knock" warrant (which they lied about unitl a reporter proves them as liars.) They did not bother to tell the Berwyn Heights police chief about this (he would have been able to inform them that this was the mayor, and that the dogs were friendly and known to the community as being non-threatening.) They never bothered to to their own research about who was at the address. Basically they did what they often do. They screwed up. I am not talking about ALLpolice, but the PG Police and Sheriff's office has a long a storied past for gross negligence and incompetence.

        That they Sheriff willnot apologize is just one more example of his idicy. I live in the DC suburbs and now if I saw a PG County Sheriff at risk I would not help him/.her. They do not deserve it or my respect. In fact, if they came to my county (luckily I do not live in PG county) I would spit on thier car as a sign of my contempt for them. Even a lot of the cops that I know in my county (including 4 SWAT members) all said that the PG Police and the PG Sheriff's department SWAT team screwed up badly and deserve at cleast civil charges if not dismisssal from the force.

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/13/2008 6:25:38 PM

          Sadly, this episode, and those like it, unfairly tarnish MANY a brave and selfless officer who actually does put his (or her) life on the line, and does his duty with integrity and grace. My best guess is that wowpest is a good example of these. My mother was another. I wish I had a solution.

      • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/13/2008 6:20:12 PM

        We'll never know, onepoker, because most raids are deemed "successful", no matter WHAT really happened. The reports are written by the police, and any claims made by those they have raided are most often disregarded by the courts and the public. Often when the cops do screw up, we never hear about it... all a policeman has to do is plant something, or claim that "the suspect made a furtive move", and he's covered. This is all the more reason to end the "drug war"...a self-defeating policy that does next to nothing to curb drug use, but makes rich men of the traffickers, especially those at the top (who are virtually never subject to these raids, because they are paying other people to take the risks).

  • Posted By: Zendave @ 08/13/2008 6:10:57 PM

    America has become a police state and they don't even offer universal healthcare.

  • Posted By: Mike Boeschen @ 08/13/2008 5:37:39 PM

    More victims of the "War on Drugs." I hate cops for this very reason, and I keep loaded 12 gauges for just such an occassion.

  • Posted By: CommonSenseCoalition @ 08/13/2008 4:39:31 PM

    The time has come for all good men (and women) to come to the aid of their country., The new generation of Americans ushered in by the late President, John F. Kennedy, has failed WE THE PEOPLE horribly.
    "The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government." Greg Glaser, Founder, Common Sense Coalition



    good government."

    is the first and only legitimate object of good government."
    --Thomas Jefferson to Maryland Republicans, 1809.

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