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Is Seeing Believing?

In the age of Photoshop, the 'Montauk Monster' picture raises questions about the veracity of photography.

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  • Posted By: 5score5 @ 08/26/2008 12:57:43 AM

    So many of our civil rights have been broken or construed, not just by our government but by those who post it! Our journalists and photojournalists have taken it upon themselves to play a game that has NO real winner! American citizens as a whole should begin to rethink their trust in the NEWS, mine is wearing thin, day after day the NEWS/MAGAZINES have tried to captivate our hearts and numb our minds to the real problems! They enhance, stretch the truth, cover up, and ultimately LIE to secure an extra bit of money for themselves and their ratings. The american people are SMART, we are educated enough to know right from wrong. This so called monster is more than likely nothing more than a prank, hosted by someone who is thriving for attention and in need of some extra income. So I say to you in the press - - - - - keep up the OUTRAGOUSNESS of your profession, but soon enough No one will read it watch it or listen when we can just zoom in via satelitte and watch for ourselves, your profession I fear is being erased.

  • Posted By: Nrwros @ 08/25/2008 9:41:31 PM

    @ Red fox:
    I'm sure they would of, but the body was moved away before peopple had the chance to "examine" it and extract dna.

  • Posted By: akira heven @ 08/25/2008 9:25:54 PM

    you guy's give us poof if it is't real danm the goverment is lieing to us man so tell us the ture danm tell your poeple what you do in are51 you puck that thing is maybe one of your expirment go worg danm.

  • Posted By: akira heven @ 08/25/2008 9:22:24 PM

    what the hell talking about you have poof right there that that anamal is real why don't you goes there see if it not real all how do know if it a mutaion on human you never with the way thing are these days poeple lie to us all the time even if you don't what to tell the you sould to your for all that thing could a expirment that the goverment is lieing to us i like live here hell i was born here but that thing could a mutaion we have good wepon now in days anyway's hell i don't konw if it real man so tell ture govermet if it's real or not don't us decide for you .your the leder's anyway so tell us the ture pesle?

  • Posted By: Redfox007 @ 08/25/2008 7:47:32 PM

    Did any of the people who have these College degrees think of doing a DNA test to see what this thing really is?

  • Posted By: Maikahl @ 08/25/2008 4:35:34 PM

    A comment about deception.....Actors, politicians, Musicians, Most of what is seen in the media is doctored on way or another...The leaders of america as well as the media have been deceiving the american public for years...For example...The media repeated all of the lies they were told by the government concerning 9-11, and the Wars now going on...But they failed to make such a big deal when it was proven how many lies we were told....The media failed to reasearch or even mention simple facts from the very beginning of the whole mess,that would have likely drastically changed the events following....Im just a simple person with minimal formal education beyond a bit of college, yet the curiosity I have concerning whats going on around the world, coupled with actually spending some of my own personal time looking through news and watching what is going on (as opposed to having all of my information pumped into me through the same few news sources whom are competing) and long before any mainstream media in america even mentioned that much of what we had been told was misinformation and or lies (inside jobs) I was aware on my own efforts, that---That we are CONSTANTLY and CONTINUALLY- DECEIVED, MANIPULATED, MISINFORMED, told HALF TRUTHS, and LIED TO. And to top it all of, it almost seems like advantage is taken of the fact that most will believe what they are initially told, and what we are initially told is done in an emotion enhancing manner which likely makes it that much more difficult to ever come back with the truth...Especially after extended amounts of time...

    • Posted By: Redfox007 @ 08/25/2008 7:46:21 PM

      and could you describe what was a lie about 9-11?, like th ereal planes flying into the real towers by real terrorists, or are they just covering th etowers with bed sheets now so we cant see them?

  • Posted By: Nrwros @ 08/25/2008 7:26:09 PM

    Arg! Still the fuss over this thing? jp203 pretty much hit the mark, as this was already proven to be a decaying pit bull. It only looks so odd because of the angle at which the picture was taken at. Kinda funny how they withheld the other photos completely, which when seen show the features of the pit bull, as well as patches of hair and what not.

  • Posted By: Payitforward @ 08/25/2008 5:42:49 PM

    I think People are lot smarter the the media gives credit for ...c'mon people look at it! wake up you can see it's a fake. Media Only does whats going to be good for them to make a buck

  • Posted By: jp203 @ 08/25/2008 5:32:51 PM

    Honestly, the "creature" looks lke it may just be a larger breed dog that was unfortunate and fell out of a boat and drowned. The decaying process would cause the hair to fall off, thus making it appear to be another creature.

  • Posted By: Redfox007 @ 08/25/2008 1:47:22 PM

    Well, I am no expert in photography, nor scientific research. However, IF there were so many news media on the scene, would it not have to be a conspiracy for it to be a fake picture:? I understand yo cannot believe everything the news media puts out, but some things must be accepted if they are not detrimental to our safety. Now my first question would be, what is wrong with the Dr.s who evaluate bodies, historical creatures, etc. to take it in and examine it. If it is a coon or dog, or any other known animal, it should not be hard to discover with an examination of tissue etc. IF they can determine what (supposed,) prehistoric monsters are, after what they claim to be millions of years, why can't they simply find out about a creature who has not been dead over, say a month or so if that.?

  • Posted By: Ragey @ 08/25/2008 11:59:17 AM

    THANK YOU Grant Niesner!

    It's not a turtle (wtf?), it's not a top-secret diseased mutant from a testing facility, it's not a rodent of any-sort, it's not a badger, it's not latex, and it's not flipping you off.

    My inner zoologist died a little with this being such a "mystery". >.<

    The real interesting "wtf_nature" going on here is how it decomposed, not its identity. Fish tend to start eating at the nose because it's the softest and most accessible area to get to. The front teeth fell out as is common with decay. When hides are soaked for a long time the hair begins to fall out, thus the "naked" appearance. The colors are from decay as well.

    Some tips:
    -When seeing heterodont dentition you can guess immediately it's a mammal (there are some exceptions in other animal taxa, but none that look like this).

    -Sharp canines such as these indicate the animal is carnivorous or omnivorous. Rodents on the other hand have two large incisors and do not have the lower canines shown in the photos.

    -So we have a small to medium-sized mammalian carnivore/omnivore that lives in the long island area. That takes it down to raccoon or dog. Winner is most likely, with that hair type and texture, and foot morphology? Raccoon.

  • Posted By: meaganr21 @ 08/25/2008 11:14:18 AM

    I don't know what it is but we have very little knowledge of the ocean and the creatures living in it it may be some prehistoric creature. 10 years ago i fisherman found a fish in his nets that was support to be extincted for hundreds of years. we really only have knowledge of the creatures that we can swim to or creatures that come to the surface or close to shore. there is still thousands of miles of unexplored ocean i hope to be alive when they find Atlantis

  • Posted By: meaganr21 @ 08/25/2008 11:12:46 AM

    i don't know what it is but we have very little knowledge of the ocean and the creatures living in it it may be some prehistoric creature. 10 years ago i fisherman found a fish in his nets that was support to be extincted for hundreds of years. we really only have knowledge of the creatures that we can swim to or creatures that come to the surface or close to shore. there is still thousands of miles of unexplored ocean i hope to be alive when they find Atlantis

  • Posted By: barfobeth @ 08/25/2008 9:38:24 AM

    Dear Goldenonetoo,
    That is most definitly NOT a turtle without a shell. Anyone who knows a thing about turtles or tortoises will tell you. A turtle without it's shell would be a bloody mess. A turtle does not have a separate body from it's shell. It's shell IS it's body. Silly Person.

    Anyway, I have no explanation as to what this creature is, but, my mother used to have a summer house out in montauk, and when she was a little girl, she and her family saw a creature similar to this. Did they contact the media? No. They buried the poor thing.

    Who knows, maybe it escaped from Plum Island? lol.

  • Posted By: barfobeth @ 08/25/2008 9:34:06 AM

    dear goldenonetoo,
    wow, that is most DEFINITLY NOT a turtle.... a turle without it's shell would be a bloody mess, seeing as though a turtles shell is it's body. A turtle doesnt have a separate body without it's shell. Silly person.

    Anyway, my mom used to have a summer house out in montauk and when she was a little girl in the '60s, she and her sisters saw a creature similar to this one. Did they contact the media? No. They buried it.
    I have no clue what it is. My guess is that it escaped from plum island, lol.

  • Posted By: terrybrookman @ 08/22/2008 12:30:30 AM

    You report what you are told to report and it has never been different. The powers that be buy you just like they do congressmen and senators. What would anyone of them be if you did not tell and show? Everyone thinks this but what can you do but try and filter it all out. I try to pick through the pieces and find the truth, it's there if you look. The truth slips out every now and then!

    • Posted By: buttjoos @ 08/22/2008 1:30:07 AM

      you sound like your in the biz. Good Luck!

  • Posted By: buttjoos @ 08/22/2008 1:28:05 AM

    i think that the mainstream source of our media has totally lost respect of the intelligence of the average american. Its sad. I grew up loving to listen to Geraldo till he let us down with the vault fiasco. Get you ducks in a row theres just way to much competition for error at this point. Show up or Blow up!

  • Posted By: Goldenonetoo @ 08/22/2008 1:07:49 AM

    That is a turtle without it's shell...a real undoctored photo.

  • Posted By: Oakguy @ 08/22/2008 12:16:42 AM

    I made a negative on photoshop, and the skull exactly matches a mouse skull (the body looks like a mutilated rabbit). Anyway, case closed.

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