Let's build peace.
Throngs take to the streets in Tbilisi as news of a ceasefire spreads, but Russian troops may still be on the move.
Let's build peace.
A US satelite state has just whiped out 1600 Russian civilians with american funded weapons and the media is only concerned about the territorian integrity of Georgia? How many here lives in a country that has illegally recognized Kosovo as a state despite breaking international law??
Koncious , :))
...and if I worked for FSB, I`d never used the same nickname ))))
I`m really glad you are reading much )) continue the same way!
The truth can not be hidden for good...
Posted By: Koncious , you wrote: " I see ivan russian from american thinker is on this site as well. You are really propagandizing everywhere you type. I'm convinced you work for FSB. Pay no attention to Ivan, he has been shown to be a distortionist many times over"
Hey, I`m just using GOOGLE searsch engine and use first several (most popular) links - are you blaming me for this? Or you want me to write only here or there...? I hate liers so i can`t be silent! This is the only reason I write on several forums... I don`t have money for it (unfortunately) so if you or somebody else pay me - I don`t refuse :)) it doesn`t differ from my convictions :))
And by the way, I`m working for a financial company with GEORGIAN owner (in Moscow). And he doesn`t maintain official georgian president`s position as well...
So dont tell me about FSB (also I`m still aspirant in one of Moscow institution).
And also I have family in Caucasus and many friends in Ukraine... so dont blame me in something you don`t know at all...
If Georgians have the right for freedom and independence as Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko said, then why Ossetians and Abhasians do not have the same right? When and why starting the war with its own people became a noble thing? Saakashvili has to be removed and put to trial for the crimes he purpetrated and sufferring he brought to his own country, but this has to be of course decided and done by Georgian
people alone. Thus, please do not make a hero of him, he deserves nothing but proper punishing.
I see ivan russian from american thinker is on this site as well. You are really propagandizing everywhere you type. I'm convinced you work for FSB. Pay no attention to Ivan, he has been
shown to be a distortionist many times over. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503319.html?nav=rss_opinions
I see ivan russian from american thinker is on this site as well. You are really propagandizing everywhere you type. I'm convinced you work for FSB. Pay no attention to Ivan, he has been
shown to be a distortionist many times over. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503319.html?nav=rss_opinions
You have forgotten that Georgia has attacked Ossetia, for the sake of the introduction into NATO. All your Photos - business of the Georgian army in Ossetia .A beside is so much oil - which smell dements uncle Sema. In it the conflict and all American democracy. USSR cooperated with all modes who promised to go on a way of socialism - USA with all who though will give a hint at democracy: here result. The introduction into NATO - the indulgence on blood. The name of the Georgian operation - " the Pure ground "
and one more LIE about Gori... look by yourself at "Russian attack of Gory"
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=yrmSgErH5WU
Questions2 - your comments sound like a propoganda only. No facts. Just a bull ***.
Its a pity that there was no international peacekeepers in Osetia at 08/08/08... so they would be killed by georgians and you screamed the opposite slogans.
Russia has agreed to both sides withdrawing their armies only because it has no intention of pulling its forces out. It sees an opportunity to make Georgia disarm unilaterally. Russia will claim that its army in Georgia is peacekeepers, policemen or voluntary militia of the South Ossetians and keep it in. The only way to ensure that both sides withdraw their armies is to send in an international peacekeeping force, no member of which is from Russia, Georgia or any group in Caucasus. That force should have the arms and authority to enforce withdrawal of armies.
Georgia was the lightning rod for Eastern Europe. Russia focused its economic, propagandistic and military bullying on Georgia, lightening the pressure on countries of Eastern Europe. In the 1990s Russian military planes were flying over the Baltic states and Russia was imposing trade sanctions on them. After the Rose Revolution in Georgia this activity shifted there. Now that the lightning rod is broken Eastern European countries should expect a lot more economic and military trouble from Russia.
Has everyboby seen as FOXnews broke live-translation where osetians tried to tell you about real events in Osetia?
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ
FOX doesn`t want to hear what the ordinary people say!
...one of the soldiers said, "That was not us who started this war."..., so what? In any cases it was Mikheil Saakashvili who start and he has his harvest.
You know Observer it's a sad fact but your right. In some ways it's good that we have people who can and do question what we are doing. We check and balance ourselves. It's why other countries hear so much negativity and then compare. "Well our country has only done X number of bad things and the US has done Y Number, there baaaad!" Unfortunately what they don't realize is you hear of just about everything we do where other countries suppress information. You can't make a fair comparison. Also what the liberals fail to realize is the only reason they get away with what they do is because they live in a country like the US. By running there mouth though and cutting the country down to the world they just open the door for more problems. It drives me nuts when they argue based on emotion and opinion and don't actually bring out the facts of the matter. Study the facts and angles before posting people. Is th US perfect, hell no, we make mistakes, but we try and do the right thing. Thats more then most countries and people. Like they say though "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time""
Let BBC or CNN or REUTERs reporters go to OSETIA and show us what has happened there... Why are they just sitting near Gory in Georgua??? Aren`t they interested in telling a true story???
Please! Reporters! Come to Osetia and show us several pictures!!!
Journalists from the BBC, CNN or REUTERS are pretty much incapable of reaching Ossetia due to the Russians having invaded Georgia and cutting the country in half south and to the West of Tskhinvali. The Russian 'Peace Keepers', during their blatant invasion of a sovereign country, have already killed 6 reporters and injured at least 10-12 more (that have been reported) due to their disregard for unarmed civilians and disproportionate use of force. As if the 'Peace Keepers' aren't bad enough, you also have to take into account the Seperatist militias who have absolutely no regard for Georgian civilian lives as they leave a trail of looting, death & destruction in their path as they ride the coattails of the Russian armies offensive push.
I doubt there will be any confirmation from reliable sources for quite some time given that the Russians are taking up positions to solidify their occupation of the country so as to enable a formal land grab once civilized negotiations begin. The Russian military doesn't embed reporters or allow unbiased journalists to accompany it's troops into battle like the Americans do in Iraq & Afghanistan b/c they do not adhere to the UN Charter rules that apply to unarmed civilians; hence the reason as to why there has been so much looting and civilian casualties as their army invades Georgia from the East and West.
Many Anit-Americans in the U.S. find its O.K. that Russian soldiers are doing such acts...They even debate who is in the wrong when a shooter enters into a school and kills innocents....Liberal Americans always try to point out the bad guys are really good and that the aggression is really acceptable as long as its against traditional American values.They blame anyone but the obvious criminals. Russia has always and will always be against any democracy...And rest assured if America goes to war with an obvious enemy such as Russia, there will be proud Anti-American Liberals that will help Russias or ANY enemies cause.
Wow a lot of you are anti-american. I agree with you somewhat Jill, big business is scary and has a lot of power, but name me a time or country where there weren't rich and powerful people. That was the failure of communism, it just readjusted wealth and power to other people. As for BP, Russia was more then happy to havebig oil come in and explore and drill. Now Oil goes up and they want to take over while the times are good. Isn't that convenient. Glenno you need to check some of your facts, I've seen some of your posts, and you keep wanting to put in how the US put in a "Puppet Leader". The main activist who is in on this is George Soros. Who yes lives in the US since he's been 26. Look at his history, he was in Hungary during WWII and escaped Soviet Occupation when he was 17. Imagine that, the soviets take over his home country and the guy helps out the former Soviet Bloc countries. This isn't the US, this is a man who has a grudge, and probably a justified one at that. Quit trying to blame the USA for all the problems. If we help, where the bad guys, if we don't help we're the bad guys. It reminds me of some people I know who expect everyone to help them out. When people do they are unnapreciative, and still expect it. If they get cut off they are in an outrage. If anything we help too much. Now that being said as I said in another port, I wish the US and Russia got along better. I am bummed that this all happened. I am more worried about Cina then anyone. Who is still communist and still has serious human rights issues. They would love for Russia and the US to fight so tey can come in and pick up the broken pieces.
Some ''celebration''. The UK Suns reporters have Russian versions of John Dillinger sticking up banks in downtown Gori,the Russian armour is less than fifteen miles from Tbilisi,and YOUTUBE has one female journalist shot by a Russian sniper before she is loaded into MEDIVAC,six others dead while trying to cross into Ossetia,and two Israeli reporters scrambling for cover while being shot at on a Gori street by ''drunken Russian soldiers''. Todays Moscow Times flatly states that the ''Russians may have inflated the number of deaths in South Ossetia'' and that there is decreasing evidence that the Georgians tried to knock over Tskhinvili at all. Indeed,as it stands right now,there is zero evidence of ''war crimes''committed by Georgians,yet every day that the Russians are in Georgia,which is packed with journalists obsevring their behavior,actions contrary to the norms of international law continue to be chronicled.
www.smallwarsjournal.com for the complete roundup of the days news coming out of Georgia.
The Western World and the Council on Foreign Relations are using Georgia and Poland to expand their control for the one Globalization World, which they will rule. CFR has put in their puppet, Saakashvili in Georgia, and is attempting to replace their US puppet George W Bush with puppet Barack Obama.
Russia is being punished by the CFR and the Western World for their action last week to bar BP's CEO, Robert Dudley, from any corporate office in Russia for two years. (BP currently owns 50% of Russia's oil company TNK-BP.
The CFR controlled Western World would prefer to have a cold war with Russia than to be unable to control the world's wealth.
Those of us who are against the CFR controlling the world must look to Russia and China for our own sovereignty. David Rockefeller (founder of CFR), Zbigniew Brzezinski (co-founder of Trilateral Commission and #1 adviser to Obama), Richard Haass (President of CFR), Peter Sutherland (President of Trilateral Commission and Chairman of BP OIL.) are not friends of the working class, but are for themselves ruling the world.
Until we rid our governments of CFR members and their chosen puppets, we must look to Russia and China to stop their domination.
To see the CFR members in the US
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html
To see the Western World members of the Trilateral Commission
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TCMembers.html
And may our God help us from their harm.
Russia should give up trying to form any partnership with the West. They cant even be ethinic cleansed without still being "the bad guy". Putin had 70-80% support by the people and is still refered to as a dictator in the West! He should form alliances in Asia, Latin America and Middle East, after 70 years of anti-russian propaganda we still believe its the cold war.
The reason the French are doing the negotiations is because the United States have such an obvious interest in Georgia and the region in general. The French have not interfered in Georgia and Ukraines elections. The have not built up the Georgian army that commited war crimes against Russian citizens. The French are not defending the Georgian war crimes. The French has not sent "aid" to Georgia which has seized control over their ports, airports.
True. There are no indpendantly verified reports of the ''2000 Ossetian dead''. These numbers come for ITAR-TASS,which as it happenes is a major Russian newspaper. Human Rights Watch is unable to confirm the actual number of Ossetian deaths leading to doubts regarding ''atrocity'' or even more ridiculous in the light of what we now see,''genocide''. What is known is that Rssuain armour is moving up the main highway out of Gori towards Tblisi as confirmed by several international news agencies. This there was never a ''truce''to begin with. ''Lull''is the more accurate term.
I heard there was a move of many tanks toward Kutaisi with Russian drivers inside but those tanks were Georgian tanks that were left by Georgians without any guarding in Gori! Russians decided to remove the tanks as far as possible from Ossetia. I repeat that I think we should wait for some international verification of ethnic cleansing. You need some time even to simply count from 1 to 1500, so it is much harder to verify 1500 cases (I'm not sure Bush and Rice have really verified 100 Georgian cases). Russia is not against the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe. French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner visited Ossetia in these days and called the Georgian hostilities in South Ossetia "massacres":
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/10/europe/EU-France-Georgia-South-Ossetia.php ,
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1218104246705 . I am sure Frenches will succeed in their peace deal.
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