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The Truth About Tire Pressure

Motorists could save more than 1 billion gallons of fuel a year, right now. But expanded offshore drilling would eventually produce even more.

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  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/29/2008 10:49:13 AM

    Democrats talk at the Denver convention about creating and keeping American jobs.
    Ironically the building that housed the largest research and development division of Arco Oil Company in Texas was sold by British Petroleum to Perot Systems and now serves as its headquarters. Perot Systems was founded by Ross Perot who previously created EDS Electronic Data Systems and who most importantly has been credited with throwing the 1992 Presidential election to Bill Clinton by drawing off many independent voters who would have voted Republican for George Bush senior. Perot Systems derives a significant amount of its business from state and federal contracts. A building that used to house American engineers, geologists, scientists, logistics people and ordinary employees who worked for an American owned oil company that strived to fill the gas tank for the average American now houses a company that focuses on giving computer support on state and the federal government social service contracts. This is the Democratic Party version of a success story. Outsourced government work under Bill Clinton replaces a former American owned world admired jewell of the oil industry that had provided gas for the American gas tank and many good American jobs for many years. So if you need reasonably price gas for your car, contact Bill Clinton and Perot Systems and ask them to give you a gallon of gas. This is the Democratic version of a success story, outsourced government work replacing a real company that produces a real needed product for the average American household.

    The second take home point from this comment is that nuclear power is a friend of the environment and does not emit green house gases.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/29/2008 10:48:46 AM

    Barack Obama complained at his acceptance speech in Denver about oil company tax breaks and praised the alleged jobs created under the administration of Bill Clinton.

    The following story should shed light on Obama???s praise of the economic policies of Bill Clinton.
    While camping and attending a bluegrass music festival, I took a tour of Comanche Peak Power Plant, the last nuclear power plant built in the United States. The plant is unobtrusive and is at perfect harmony with its environment. It is located near Glen Rose Texas a beautiful area that has bluegrass band festivals in the summer. It is a wonderful scenic country area and home to Dinosaur World and a state park. There are dinosaur tracks from 100 million years ago along the riverbed that can be seen in the water due to erosion and some say that the tracks are heading in the direction of New York City. The Brazos River flows through the area and the place is an environmental heaven. There used to be an old green Sinclair Oil Company dinasour statue that stood at the park. Ironically most of the stations and assets of Sinclair Oil Company was bought by Arco Oil Company. Arco Oil Company was considered the jewell of all American oil companies for having explored and developed the Alaskan North Slope and at one time owning eighty percent of our proven Alaskan oil reserves. Arco Oil Company was subsequently bought out later by foreign owned British Petroleum during the second administration of Bill Clinton. The point of this comment is twofold. The long-term hostility of the Democratic Party leadership toward United States owned energy companies has led to the sale of United States oil companies to foreign interests and that nuclear power plants can even be located next to wonderful wildlife and park areas and make good unobtrusive neighbors. Arco Oil Company with its substantial Alaskan oil reserves should have bought out British Petroleum instead of the other way around. Comanche Peak in Glen Rose the last nuclear power plant built in the United States symbolizes the death of the American owned nuclear power industry and the decline of United States owned oil companies due to the hostile business environment created by Democratic Party leadership.

    Sinclair Oil Company and Arco Oil no longer exist, British Petroleum has replaced them under the second Democratic administration of Bill Clinton.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/29/2008 10:45:45 AM

    Obama and the Democrats would never consider government loan guarantees or tax breaks for a sure thing that will produce energy for the American gas tank. Democrat loan guarantees and earmarks are only reserved for off the wall improbable future technologies such as hydrogen power that offer no short term chance of solution for our energy problems. Democratic disdain for energy production by US companies is evident with the current ownership of former US energy companies. Is it any surprise that the jewell Arco Oil Company which owned 80 percent of our Alaska Oil Reserves was bought out by British Petroleum Corporation at the end of the second administration of Bill Clinton due to the hostile Democratic attitude toward energy companies. It is no accident that the largest US builder of nuclear power plants, Westinghouse Nuclear Power Construction Division was bought out by Toshiba Corporation of Japan. While 80 percent of France electricity is generated by nuclear power, only twenty percent in the US is generated due to the successful efforts of Democratic party to kill the US nuclear power industry. Significantly, nuclear power is not considered a mainstay of Democratic plans to address our energy crisis. Not a single new nuclear power plant has been built in the United States in the last thirty years. Democratic leadership want to study the problem for another thirty years. There is also a worldwide shortage and backlog of orders for oil drilling platforms and oil drilling ships but US shipyards are not building these ships. Only one percent of the world's commercial ships are built in US shipyards. Hold your breath for the Democratic outcry and push for government help to US ship builders to build oil drilling ships in the US.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/29/2008 10:44:57 AM

    John McCain realizes that the Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama want to effectively give away in trust our offshore exclusive economic zone by standing in the way of any current offshore development. Under the 1982 United Nations Law of the Seas Convention the US has an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and mineral seabed rights up to 350 nautical miles extending along the Continental shelf. A nautical mile is 6080 feet so our exclusive economic zone extends about 240 miles and mineral seabed rights extend 420 miles. The US has the world's largest offshore exclusive economic zone totaling 4.4 million square miles. In comparison, the total land area of the United States is only 3.4 million square miles.

    On the East coast alone, if you drive from Key West Florida to Bangor Maine it is 2000 miles. Multiply the 2000 miles by mineral seabed rights extending out 420 miles results in a total of 840,000 square miles of ocean acreage. Because we have the world's largest offshore coastline which is twenty-eight percent greater than our land area, it only makes simple common sense that we exploit our offshore resources to achieve our energy independence.

    ??? John McCain understands that under the theory of plate tectonics and continental drift, 300 million years ago when oil was formed all of the continents were one supercontinent called Pangea. The continents then drifted apart. The Africa coast was right up against North Carolina 300 million years ago. Today half of the oil production of Nigeria is now offshore and the odds of large offshore deposits off our east coast are very strong. There are also huge oil deposits off of east coast of Brazil. Brazil has tied up almost all of the world ocean drilling ships in the hopes of developing those deposits. Given there is confirmed oil off of Brazil, likely oil off the Southern US east coast and there is confirmed large deposits south of Newfoundland then it is likely there is oil all up and down the entire United States east coast. The United States has the largest coastline in the world and it is simple common sense to make use of those offshore resources to achieve our energy independence. John McCain energy proposals will bring about this development that we so desperately need.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/29/2008 10:43:32 AM

    Obama and the Democrats would never consider government loan guarantees or tax breaks for a sure thing that will produce energy for the American gas tank. Democrat loan guarantees and earmarks are only reserved for off the wall improbable future technologies such as hydrogen power that offer no short term chance of solution for our energy problems. Democratic disdain for energy production by US companies is evident with the current ownership of former US energy companies. Is it any surprise that the jewell Arco Oil Company which owned 80 percent of our Alaska Oil Reserves was bought out by British Petroleum Corporation at the end of the second administration of Bill Clinton due to the hostile Democratic attitude toward energy companies. It is no accident that the largest US builder of nuclear power plants, Westinghouse Nuclear Power Construction Division was bought out by Toshiba Corporation of Japan. While 80 percent of France electricity is generated by nuclear power, only twenty percent in the US is generated due to the successful efforts of Democratic party to kill the US nuclear power industry. Significantly, nuclear power is not considered a mainstay of Democratic plans to address our energy crisis. Not a single new nuclear power plant has been built in the United States in the last thirty years. Democratic leadership want to study the problem for another thirty years. There is also a worldwide shortage and backlog of orders for oil drilling platforms and oil drilling ships but US shipyards are not building these ships. Only one percent of the world's commercial ships are built in US shipyards. Hold your breath for the Democratic outcry and push for government help to US ship builders to build oil drilling ships in the US.

  • Posted By: wiscogirl1105 @ 08/14/2008 2:26:44 PM

    Actually, by drilling now, the price of oil would drop due to the promise that there would be more supply. This is simple economics. You are right, that it would save money, but drilling now would also drop the price of gas BEFORE the gas actually is in the US for consumption. Just thought I would correct you.

    • Posted By: TimeIsNow @ 08/28/2008 4:28:55 PM

      Not sure it the article supports you simple explanation... The oil is deeper than most and will cost more to bring to surface. Cost will not be the same so they won't price it the same. Still nothing to say that we will get to realize the results of the drilling anyway. We are in a Global market.. it will be sold to the highest bidder.

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 08/15/2008 4:59:20 PM

    I'm beginning to doubt the objectivity of this factcheck outfit. I don't see why this is a split decision, other than to let McCain escape responsibility for yet another of his deliberate lies. Obama was judged to be correct by other organizations that checked into this, and regardless of Factcheck's non-factual speculation about how much tire inflation would save versus off-shore drilling, Obama's basic point of totally valid: doing simple things can save significant amounts of energy..

    • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/15/2008 9:49:08 PM

      Obama is a Marxist and the only change he is promising is to make us more like Russia or china

      • Posted By: TimeIsNow @ 08/28/2008 4:22:31 PM

        China, China is keeping America afloat. Wow what stupidity!!!!

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/15/2008 11:26:44 PM

        Obama is not a marxist and neither is Russia, in case you missed it, the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

  • Posted By: TimeIsNow @ 08/28/2008 4:20:55 PM

    To the specifics on the article... good analysis however where are the savings on the rubber resulting from proper inflated tires? Under inflated tires wear more than properly inflated tires. In addition, Mr. Obama suggested things to do now... that's how most folks heard it (of course with some folks being the exceptions) so your article does provide credience to his statement, right?

    Another question, how or who is to prevent the oil companies from selling the oil one might get from the U.S. coast to other countries or suffice it to say ... to the highest bidder? Whats/who's to govern the price or the mark-up? Of course all of this is predicated upon the availability of a drilling rig and the additional cost of renting for this purpose. Sounds like a pig in a poke to me!!!!

  • Posted By: dorfy @ 08/25/2008 5:41:05 PM

    You mention it - but the key is that Obama's suggestion would save the gas----- immediately. Provide---- immediate----- relief to growing demand for oil, -----immediately ----impact fuel prices, and offer a cushion for ramping up the alternative clean sources for the future.

    Obama's plan is comprehensive regarding ALL fuel sources. It also considers that we are breathing exhaust, filling dumps with mountains of things that do not decompose, and we need to alter how we do many things - not just the cars we drive. And again - it has things we can do -----immediately-------, install solar collectors on government facilities, schools, and other public buildings. We have the technology and know-how to do it NOW. Obama is focused on things that will provide impact NOW. Solar, wind and geothermal techniques can make a huge dent (2 or 3 %) right away. CAFE standards for cars - this can yield results in a couple of years - huge results. Reducing speed limits can drop fuel use by 5% right away (this is a big sacrifice for me - I love to drive fast!). Solar panels on ALL new buildings - a large windmill or two in every small town, solar outdoor lighting - in three years we could cut consumption dramatically.

    This doesn't mean that Obama is against clean coal or natural gas or hydrogen. He is not rash though - he wants to be sure the solutions are viable with no long term negatives. If technology evolves to bring these new resources into the mainstream - he endorses it 100%.

    McCain wants to lead you to believe there are "quick fixes" out there regarding oil and nuclear energy. Drilling and nuclear would provide not one cent of new energy for another 8 to 10 years.

    People here say they want results - but are willing to accept promises that will yield nothing for years. Anyone can stand on an oil derrick and confidently assert we should drill, but it really means nothing over the long haul. Drilling more is just prolonging the inevitable - We really do have to move to other sources of energy. Americans have always led in technology - why not now? Too much money in big oil's hands, maybe? McCain is all about prolonging the past. Obama is about reaching for the future while improving our quality of life NOW.

    I for one am checking my tire pressure, driving less, driving slower, reducing my household fuel costs, and support clean fuels in their various forms. Obama is about action that really works - not McCain's words that sound comfortable - but provide no real solutions, just bandaids.

    Oil is not the answer. Time to move on. Time for the "un-Cheney, un-Bush, un-McCain" and the reduction in the power of big oil. Obama this century demands new technologies and leadership that works on the solutions deferred since the 1970's.

  • Posted By: ready9 @ 08/22/2008 11:58:59 AM

    We need a broad coalition of forces throughout ourcountry to solve all the problems we face. We can no longer afford whos right or wrong. We must gather and decide and try. McCain , for me , just puts way too much emphasis on current addictive forms of energy which lead to policies that hurt too many people around the world. Lets all step back take a breathe and move forward. But I must admit that the medias enanbling of McCain to simply put forth two word retorts, to serious questions, is really insane. Suppose I went around and decided that McCains entire campaign could be reduced to two or three words fo example "DRILL & KILL" wouldnt that be absurd?????!!!!!

  • Posted By: OldUncleTom @ 08/20/2008 2:58:33 PM

    I wonder how many years it will take for drilling to surpass tire inflation as an energy solution.
    We know that reducing demand is a more effective way to get prices down than increasing supply generally is. What will the per-barrel cost of deep offshore oil be? This will set a price floor, which may be significant.
    A number of gold mines have been re-opened to extract $900 gold; they ran out of $400 gold a long time ago.

  • Posted By: rfw1028 @ 08/14/2008 5:52:30 PM

    Do any of you geniuses advocating "alternative energy" sources have any engineering or science education? Where do you think the windmills and solar cells necessary to replace several billion btus of energy (per day) are going to come from? The great and powerful Oz / government! The capacity to build, install and grid tie enough "alternative" energy to replace even 25% of U.S. transportation fuels will take 76 years to accomplish at the current rate of implementation. Maybe Al Gore should invest in a factory building wind generators. Oh, but then we'd have that silly little problem of a national electrical grid operating near the limit of capacity today. The U.S. EIA estimates the cost of replacing todays fossil fuel electrical generators at upwards of 4.3 trillion dollars. Add to that the growth that would be required for electric transportation (hydrogen, plug-ins, and plug in hybrids) You quickly get to 6.5-7.2 trillion dollars. Gore wants to do that in 10 years. The total U.S. federal revenue stream last year was less than 3 trillion dollars. The socialists want to give them another 2-3 trillion per year to squander while they pretend to make progress on idealistic infrastructure replacement. The American people can't agree on a tax plan that rebuilds the bad bridges in this country. What are you people thinking?

    • Posted By: norwell @ 08/14/2008 6:35:54 PM

      You point out how dumb evryone is, but you don't offer an alternative. Oil will run out, it may be one year or 100 years but it's inevitable. Don't you think that it's a good idea to figure out what we will do then. Some of these ideas may not work as well as we hope, but we have to try something. AND PLEASE this is not a political argument.

      • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/14/2008 8:26:26 PM

        there are proven reserves in the united states alone to last over 500 years there is enough natural gas in Alaska alone to last 2000 years we can make liquid fuel out of coal reserves to last over 2000 years we are not in as big a bind as the government would lead you to believe.

        • Posted By: Carlmn @ 08/20/2008 12:59:12 PM

          I've read this, but from only 1 source. I would not believe this until it comes from multiple sources.
          Also, compressed air cars have been on the road for more than 6 years. Introducing these in the US would begin saving that are unheard of.

        • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/15/2008 1:30:16 PM

          i havent heard any scienctifically viable studies that suggest anything even close to what your suggesting. how would they even know what 2000 years worth of oil looks like? please provide source. unless you made that up

      • Posted By: loriw @ 08/14/2008 7:11:31 PM

        People thought the Wright Bros. were dumb too. If they had given up there would be no air travel.

        • Posted By: j.n @ 08/14/2008 11:43:01 PM

          Then we would not have an energy shortage because people would be doing all of the unnecassary traveling.,and most likely fewer wars,it would have been wonderful without the gas guzzling planes,one large passenger jet uses $39,000 worth of fuel from Ca. to the East coast.

  • Posted By: vox veritas @ 08/19/2008 7:53:19 PM

    Fact check.org failed to take into consideration that if the oil companies will actually start drilling offshore there is no guarantee that America will get a drop of that oil. They will likely sell it to the highest bidder overseas. In fact, that's what they intended to do with the Anwar oil before the government prevented them doing so. With McCain in the Presidency they will be free to do anything they wish. The minute McCain spoke out for offshore drilling, the oil companies gave him another million dollars. He's will support their interests, not the American people's need for reasonable gas prices.
    The idea of saving money by doing small things like checking ones tire pressure was only one of the many, many proposals that Senator Obama introduced in his energy plan so it really isn't an either or argument.
    When the oil companies already have over 60 million acres for drilling and have deliberately capped off oil wells and shut down refinaries and failed to build new ones, why do you think they would insist on drilling offshore? This smells like greed to me. They just want to make sure they get their hands on the goodies in case we get a president who won't be bought by their lobbyists.
    Anyone who would push for more nuclear power has to be insane. This country worked tirelessly to eliminate nuclear weapons worldwide because of the total destruction it could do to our planet. Nuclear waste cannot be destroyed. It takes something like 400 million years before nuclear waste becomes totally harmless. McCain is completely delirious when he says we can safely contain it now. We already have cracks at some of our nuclear waste facilities that need to be delt with. I still remember how difficult it was to transport this waste to the containment facilities. Most states wouldn't even allow it to be transported tthrough their states. It's telling to note that McCain wouldn't let it in his state of Arizona. A big enough leak of this waste could destroy all life for millions of years. There are many other forms of energy that is safe we can turn to and Obama intends to promote them to free us from our dependence on foreign oil and to strengthen our country.
    I question the mentallity of any serious candidate who would push for this dangerous type of energy, especially after its history.
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  • Posted By: vox veritas @ 08/19/2008 7:16:15 PM

    The one thing that hasn't been taken into account is that offshore drilling for oil may not produce any oil for America. The oil companies do not have to sell a drop of it to Americans. They can and will sell it on the open market to the highest bidder.
    As far as nuclear power goes, it is an insane idea. It can not be disposed of. It takes something like 40 million years or more before it finally becomes harmless. In spite of what McCain says, it is not any safer today than it was 20 years ago and cracks have already been found in our already contained nuclear waste facilities. I still remember how difficult it was to transport nuclear waste as most of the states refused to even allow it to be transported through their states. Its interesting to note that McCain wouldn't allow it near his state. This stuff is dangerous enough it could destroy our planet for all life. The more of that waste we have to store, the greater chance we have of total disastor. I have to question the mentality of anyone who would suggest using this dangerous and destructive energy.

  • Posted By: DUMPLIN @ 08/19/2008 6:09:01 PM

    OBAMA'S TIRE INFLATION REMARK IS STUPID, HOW MANY AMERICANS ACTUALLY GO AROUND WITH UNINFLATED TIRES? NOT MANY, GIVE US CREDIT FOR HAVING SOME SENSE, IN TAKING CARE OF OUR CARS AND USING THEM AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. ANOTHER POINT WOULD BE: HOW MANY HYBRID CARS ARE ABLE TO DO THE WORK OF A FARM TRACTOR? I CAN TELL YOU, ZERO!! PEOPLE WANT TO POINT THE FINGER, POINT IT AT DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE CRIPPLED THIS ECONOMY BY DISALLOWING A VOTE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR. PELOSI PROBABLY HAD TO GO HAVE HER FACE LIFT TOUCHED UP. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE MANIPULATED BY THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. THE DEMOCRATS WANT POWER OVER THE POPULACE AND SEE OIL AND GAS, MEDICAL CARE AND ULTIMATELY THE FOOD SUPPLY AS A MEANS OF GETTING IT.

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/17/2008 10:52:37 AM

    While camping and attending a bluegrass music festival, I took a tour of Comanche Peak Power Plant,the last nuclear power plant built in the United States. The plant is unobtrusive and is at perfect harmony with its environment. It is located near Glen Rose Texas a beautiful area that has bluegrass band festivals in the summer. It is a wonderful scenic country area and home to Dinosaur World and a state park. There are dinosaur tracks from 100 million years ago that some say are heading in the direction of New York City. The Brazos river flows through and the place is an environmental heaven. There is old green Sinclair Oil Company dinasour statue that stands at the park. Ironically most of the stations and assets of Sinclair Oil Company was bought by Arco Oil Company and Arco was bought out later by foreign owned British Petroleum during the second administration of Bill Clinton. The point of this comment is that nuclear power plants can even be located next to wonderful wildlife and park areas and make good unobtrusive neighbors. Nuclear power is a friend of the environment and does not emit green house gases

  • Posted By: mccainsupporter @ 08/17/2008 10:44:59 AM

    Why is there such an ingrained irrational paranoia about nuclear energy and waste disposal among some Americans. Importantly also why is somehow okay for millions of Navy sailors to have served for nearly forty years aboard nuclear power American aircraft carriers and nuclear powered submarines and air force personnel to handle nuclear bombs but some Americans will not consider even remotely assume any risks involved with nuclear power. It is okay for our servicemen to be exposed to alleged risks but not Democrats who oppose nuclear power. This paranoia is particular evident with the Democratic people acceptance of risks that are associated with other aspects of modern American living. Forty thousand people die every year in the United States in auto accidents but there is no outcry to ban all automobiles in the United
    States. Bridges have collapsed recently in Minnesota and tunnels ceilings have fallen but there is no consensus on eliminating bridges. There have been airplane crashes that have also involved injuries on the ground but there is no outcry to ban air travel. There have been repeated rail and ship accidents but no outcry to ban railroads or ship travel. The irrational fear involving nuclear power and waste disposal has no justification. American people undergo multiple medical and dental xrays and CT scans yearly and have no fear. TSA airport screeners and medical staff work daily around xray equipment, fluoroscopes, and CT machines and do not experience adverse health consequences as a result of their work exposure. There were no documented adverse health events associated with the Three Mile Island release of minor radiation in the 1970s and no payments for health losses were ever made involving lawsuits related to that accident. The containment vessel held at Three Mile Island. In light of most Americans acceptance of risks associated with automobiles, trains, planes, and ships, the fear on the part of some Americans of nuclear power can not be viewed as rational. John McCain's proposals to build 45 new nuclear power plants along with his other energy proposals on conservation and renewable energy will help America achieve relative energy independence in the near term and long term.

  • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/16/2008 2:02:02 PM

    Oh yeah and lets not forget the price of oil never started rising and we never had any kind of shortages until the government started getting involved in it in the 70's and no the government didn't get involved because of problems they created the problems after getting involved

  • Posted By: zig @ 08/15/2008 4:11:49 PM

    That whole theory is called the Jimmy Cater Solution ,turn your heat down and put on a sweater, and in the summer go swimming every day and walk around buck naked. Never worked and neither will BO's solutions. Its like listening to a drunk at a bar telling other drunks wild stories that everybody thinks are the solid answer but come morning time they can't remember anything these people are called liberals. Kindest Regards Joe

    • Posted By: jamesqf @ 08/16/2008 1:57:19 PM

      How about turning down the A/C in the summer, so I don't have to wear a sweater at work?

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 08/15/2008 5:13:38 PM

    ARI's prediction is more than four times larger than the official government prediction. The DOE expects only enough oil to equal about 1.4 percent of total U.S. demand, while ARI's prediction would amount to more than 6 percent.
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    No wonder it's so optimistic. What Factcheck doesn't mention is that this "ARI" article is on the npc.org web site. NPC is the National Petroleum Council, and it's a trade organzation for the oil companies. What next? Will Factcheck be telling us that the claims that tobacco is bad for you because they found some old report financed by the tabacco companies that says smoking won't hur t you?

    Who's checking factchecks when factcheck is out allegedly checking facts?

    • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/15/2008 9:46:56 PM

      I would tend to believe the companies that are actually in the business of locating and drilling the oil rather than a government that is trying to control the population thru taxation and fear.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/15/2008 11:25:46 PM

        I would rather trust a government, not the oil comanies that are trying to rape Americans.

        • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/16/2008 9:46:00 AM

          The oil companies are not raping us it is the government and the federal reserve do just a little research and you may figure it out or just listen to the propaganda that you are spewing

        • Posted By: bob_hall27 @ 08/16/2008 9:43:54 AM

          yeah your right I would much rather trust people like obama that wants to CHANGE us more into a country like china or russia yeah I want to be communist let the government tell me when I need to *** to hell they already want to make it alright to kill babies that are born alive what the hell let them have all of are unalienable rights let them steal rights from some people so they can invent rights for others what you liberals don't get is the government is out of control and we are supposed to control the government not the government controlling us. If you want a government to control you then defect to china or russia they would love to have you. Figure it out the government needs to be put into its proper place working for us not against us.

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