so much for free and balanced western journalism... Russian press is now more balanced than American
The Russia-Georgia conflict is yet another example of why a leader caught up in the romance of resistance should not rely on Washington. What Saakashvili should have learned from history--and the American South.
so much for free and balanced western journalism... Russian press is now more balanced than American
Well, unlike the two comments below, I liked the piece. Yes, it was foksy and it has a point of view. As long as journalism puts its point of view out front where we can all see it ahead of time, I can make up my own mind about whether or not I agree. Far more dangerous is the "journalism" that hides its point of view in the "facts" it chooses to present, withhold, and/or alter in service of an agenda it prefers to pretend isn't present. The thing I liked the most about the piece was its discussion of the concept of defiance,and how it might inform some otherwise incomprehensible choices. To the uninitiated, Saakashvili's decision to tweak the tale of the Russian bear seems insane. What did he think Putin et al would choose to do in response? Did he really believe whatever whispers were emanating from the halls of neocon alley that the United States would send the Air Force as back-up to his invasion? But, placed in the context of the emotional history, it assumes a strange and twisted kind of logic. And I'd like to humbly suggest to the two posters who preceded me, a compelling case for the kind of open-minded negotiations with both our allies and our enemies that Barack Obama believes are the best kind of foreign policy. It helps to know what the person sitting on the other side of the table is actually thinking when one is formulating a response.
Well, unlike the two comments below, I liked the piece. Yes, it was foksy and it has a point of view. As long as journalism puts its point of view out front where we can all see it ahead of time, I can make up my own mind about whether or not I agree. Far more dangerous is the "journalism" that hides its point of view in the "facts" it chooses to present, withhold, and/or alter in service of an agenda it prefers to pretend isn't present. The thing I liked the most about the piece was its discussion of the concept of defiance,and how it might inform some otherwise incomprehensible choices. To the uninitiated, Saakashvili's decision to tweak the tale of the Russian bear seems insane. What did he think Putin et al would choose to do in response? Did he really believe whatever whispers were emanating from the halls of neocon alley that the United States would send the Air Force as back-up to his invasion? But, placed in the context of the emotional history, it assumes a strange and twisted kind of logic. And I'd like to humbly suggest to the two posters who preceded me, a compelling case for the kind of open-minded negotiations with both our allies and our enemies that Barack Obama believes are the best kind of foreign policy. It helps to know what the person sitting on the other side of the table is actually thinking when one is formulating a response.
To bad journalism is dead at Newsweek with examples of articles like this and pro Obama (anti-captialist) editors you employee. I will remind you and your staff the job of reporting the news is the 5 Ws (Who, What, Where, When and Why) and not your personal opinion that was fed to you by some socialist professor at one of greater institutions of lower learning.
That article was the wrost piece of agitprop I've ever read.
Why don't you just come out and say only democrats can read books, because republicans are too ignorant to read, and the ones that can read have trouble with dick and jane. Lets not beat around the bush here,
you're liberal writer who is trying to push forward the Idea only OBAMA can lead in these hard times we face.
Obama a man who was on vication while goergia was being ran-sacked by russia. How come you don't even mention the August 1st incidents which lead up to the august 8th conflict? Those peacekeepers were in bed with russia, they weren't neutral. Saahkavili has stated many times on august 8th those peacekeepers and south ossetia popped off first. Whether it's true or not hardly matters because it's your job as a objective journalist to inform everyone of it. You could of just thrown in the word allegedly for good measure.
Anyway, you're article was a waste of time just thought I let you know that.
I want the facts, not your dumb opinion, journalism is a joke, this is yellow journalism at it's worst.
Europe should stay out of this one. Every US president needs a war and the whoever the next president is he will have to follow up the legacy of aggression against Russia. Now that the US has reached the borders of Russia and are allowing genocide and rocket shield, Europe should not support this aggression on our soil. Get US army out of Europe now!
As Fulbright wrote, "Once imbued with the idea of a mission, a great power assumes that it has the means as well as the duty to do God's work"--Barack "The Massiah" has his own "mission" to do "God's work". It involves taking away from those of us who have worked their asses off to build a better life. My parents came to this country with nothing. Now I have a nice house, cars, health care, etc becuase I worked hard and took risks. Benevolent dictators are the worst kind of tyrants bacause they never have to deal with their own consciences. They do it to "help" is because we are too stupid to do it ourselves. Please DO NOT let this arrogant man, Obama, gain power. Our freedom will be the price we pay.
I fail to see how a person who has always voted for Democrats saying that she will vote for the new candidate is a sign of "defiance." She and the "yellow dog" would vote for anyone their party put on the ballot. My county in the "red state" of Texas and although there is a GOP chapter, all local elections are settled in the Democratic primary, as no one runs onder any other group or as independent.
I would like to know a little more of the "better health care" discussion, is the problem the doctor or the need to follow the most current nationalization scheme. Remember that VA hospitals tend to be rated among the worst places to receive treatment until overhauls due to the Iraq war vets began. Still some service requests take weeks to be processed.
I do like the comment about the Starbucks-drinking readers being assumed Obama supports. I wonder if the book titles helped in anyway (The Audacity of Hope?).
I really hope that this is a blog entry, and not a sign of where journalism is going.
I think, that here work badly going to school!
Read a history and do not try to change it with the your discretion.
The next bad estimation in school.
Do not make by blockheads of your citizens!
Example: Georgia is going down.What is farther?
Do not make muck for Russia! Russia will answer to you with the unpredictability!
The result will be similar! If certainly these problems are needed for you!
Citizen of the world from Russia!
I think, that here work badly going to school!
Read a history and do not try to change it with the your discretion.
The next bad estimation in school.
Do not make by blockheads of your citizens!
Example: Georgia is going down.What is farther?
Do not make muck for Russia! Russia will answer to you with the unpredictability!
The result will be similar! If certainly these problems are needed for you!
Citizen of the world from Russia!
The Georgian President miscalculated the response from the US-royally. The Russians may have been provoking Georgia with overflights of warplanes, but the Georgians STARTED this. They are in no shape to take on Russia, and the US cannot get involved. We are active in 2 theatres now. Judging NATO's response in A-stan, I would say NATO is a paper tiger. Germany, Italy, Spain, to a lesser extent France, have not committed a sizable force to combat ops in the south and east of A-stan. The Europeans will not honor thier NATO commitments. Its the US, UK, Dutch, Australians and Canadians who are doing the fighting and dying. NATO members who do not honor commitments are a DISGRACE. Its pretty sad Georgia was looking to that fangless org. to help-now or ever. Germany spends 1.5% of thier GDP on defense, thier social programs draw moslems by the thousands, to get a free ride. Germany, the Bear is getting stronger, the US should let you defend urselves, since we did it for over 50 yrs. Yeah, thanks alot, have another DAB and a bratwurst....DISGRACE!!!!
Trooper101st: You should check again. Before moving the 5th fleet into the Black Sea the US has to ask for Turkey's permission to go through the Bosphorus and Dardanelle. Russia is one of their biggest trading partners and both countries's fleets share the Black Sea. You can bet your behind that Turkey's permission ain't coming soon.
Trooper101st: You should check again. Before moving the 5th fleet into the Black Sea the US has to ask for Turkey's permission to go through the Bosphorus and Dardanelle. Russia is one of their biggest trading partners and both countries's fleets share the Black Sea. You can bet your behind that Turkey's permission ain't coming soon.
It is indeed unfortunate that Georgia was so stupid as to stand up against the Russian bear. Stupid and presumptuous. These people lived for decades under the tyranny of the Soviet Union. They should have known better. I don???t buy all the neocon crap about prosperity leading to freedom leading to democracy. Today our foreign policy based on the belief that people, given the choice, will always choose freedom and democracy. That is demonstrably not always true. Anyway it is none of our business.
But maybe Mr. Dickey just doesn???t appreciate that sometimes and in some places people stumble across a taste of freedom and liberty and find it to their liking. And sometimes that discovery creates an unquenchable appetite for more. And sometimes that unquenchable appetite causes people to do stupid things like defy daunting insurmountable odds to secure that freedom. Like the things our founding fathers did when they defied England so long ago. That was surely a stupid thing to do.
Maybe Mr. Dickey would do well to spend more time searching for the things that ennoble humankind and less time dwelling on the shortcomings of humans. Especially Georgians, whether they live in Tblisi or Atlanta.
This was a great article until the very end. Thanks for using your theory of crisis to give a nudge towards your agenda.
The article was very interesting until the end. Thanks for turning a theory on crisis into a nudge for your agenda.
After Russia's invasion of Georgia, what now for the West?
At least for now, the smoke seems to be clearing from the Georgian battlefield. But the extent of the wreckage reaches far beyond that small country.
Telegraph.co.uk by John R Bolton 15 Aug 2008
Saying this may cause angst in Europe???s capitals, but now is the time to find out if Nato can withstand a potential renewed confrontation with Moscow, or whether Europe will cause Nato to wilt. Far better to discover this sooner rather than later, when the stakes may be considerably higher. If there were ever a moment since the fall of the Berlin Wall when Europe should be worried, this is it. If Europeans are not willing to engage through Nato, that tells us everything we need to know about the true state of health of what is, after all, supposedly a ???North Atlantic??? alliance.
Finally, the most important step will take place right here in the United States. With a Presidential election on November 4, Americans have an opportunity to take our own national pulse, given the widely differing reactions to Russia???s blitzkrieg from Senator McCain and (at least initially) Senator Obama. First reactions, before the campaigns??? pollsters and consultants get involved, are always the best indicators of a candidate???s real views. McCain at once grasped the larger, geostrategic significance of Russia???s attack, and the need for a strong response, whereas Obama at first sounded as timorous and tentative as the Bush Administration. Ironically, Obama later moved closer to McCain???s more robust approach, followed only belatedly by Bush.
In any event, let us have a full general election debate over the implications of Russia???s march through Georgia. Even before this incident, McCain had suggested expelling Russia from the G8; others have proposed blocking Russia???s application to join the World Trade Organisation or imposing economic sanctions as long as Russian troops remain in Georgia. Obama has assiduously avoided specifics in foreign policy ??? other than withdrawing speedily from Iraq ??? but that luxury should no longer be available to him. We need to know if Obama???s reprise of George McGovern???s 1972 campaign theme, ???Come home, America???, is really what our voters want, or if we remain willing to persevere in difficult circumstances, as McCain has consistently advocated. Querulous Europe should hope, for its own sake, that America makes the latter choice.
It ain't no DRAMA in Georgia boy-yo...it be REALITY! And for once it is NOT about the US presidential election. What it is about is life or death for a US ally in a showdown an organized crime syndicate masquerading as a national government (that would be RUSSIA to you Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers out there).
And wat do you expect the US to do, Mr. REALITY? Yeah, Putins KGB buddies are gangsters, "siloviki" in Russian. Sure, Putin is corrupt and cannot be trusted. He had Dubya fooled now didn't he? Wat should the response be? Send the 5th fleet into the Black Sea? Bomb Russian armored columns? Have the 82nd AB jump onto a Georgian airfield? ITS DONE. You tell us, wat should we do? Jonny Reb...
This time the Russians justified in their actions. They were attacked first and they responded with a heavy hammer tp wake up this nut who is the Pres of Georgia. Also, why don't you neo cons respond to the Cuban Missle Crisis analogy? I don't blame Russia for taking offense to our actions in Poland. We are not always the good guys and this time we have it all wrong. Being the world's biggest bully is not something to be proud of.
L. Roberts
Grayson, GA
This is the most bizarre thing I've ever read. You managed to mention Obama along with George Wallace and the Confederacy when we're taliing about the rape of a naiton. Where are your interests?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this article was bizarre at the very least.
Rick Halverson: Have you introduced yourself to the United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Great documents that allow people to have freedom of thought without oppression. You would be a great communist in that you support the murder and/or deportation of those you disagree with. REAL Americans can disagree with another man's opinion, yet fight to the death to afford that dolt the right to express that opinion. You have a warped sense of what a REAL American is. Get a life.
I would say Halverson is exactly what he says he is. I find it interesting that the fanatics now hide behind the same constitution and bill of rights they would deny others.
Just because these people wear flag pins and call them selves patriots and compassionate people doesn't make it so.
And yes I have read the constitution and bill of rights, and am a firm believer that every government employee be forced to read it and sign an affidavit to that effect. elected or otherwise.
To everyone accusing Russia of aggression and bullying. You think this was part of Russa's plan:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080808/wl_nm/georgia_ossetia_dc_26
Saakashvili today lied again that Russia was ready for the escalation and he was on vacation. How could that be if Georgia had invaded the rebel province with a declared goal to take over it -- hours before Russia started to respond by sending its troops in? How could Russia make Georgia doing that?
What in the world happend to US media so it could not do a simple fact check and start asking why Saakashvili and US leaders try to mislead American people? Russia was not an agressor in this conflict, Gerogia was not a victim!
I think most people judging from the posts know the truth; the initial news was over powered by the speed that news was breaking.
The media generally is interested in reporting the truth as evidenced by the link you posted.
And not all people are as mislead as you might think.by government posturing.
Not that I don???t think the entire situation is completely unnecessary, but if you read the article carefully you???ll notice the following which doesn???t even mention the Russians alleged ???Peace Keepers??? hostilities beforehand:
???The issue has bedeviled Georgia's relations with Russia, which is angered by Tbilisi's moves towards the Western fold and its pursuit of NATO membership.
On Thursday Saakashvili announced a unilateral truce and gave a go-ahead for peace talks in Tskhinvali on Friday. But just few hours later Tbilisi accused separatists of shelling Georgian-populated villages and set troops in motion.???
It was stupid of Saakashvili to attempt to reassert control over those areas by force knowing full well that the Russian army would never let that happen. It was a poor foreign policy decision by the US government to provide training to 2500 or so of the Georgian troops for 2 years b/c without that training they never would???ve even considered trying to forcefully take those areas. If anything it emboldened them to use force over diplomacy under the assumed auspices of the US. They should???ve pushed ahead with their aspirations of NATO membership and left those areas alone to be arbitrarily handled afterwards.
Russia simply doesn???t like the encroachment of NATO allied countries because they really haven???t moved on from their old Cold War mentality and the invasion of Georgia was clearly planned for quite some time. Not that they needed to takeover most of the country, but it would???ve been difficult for them to achieve their objective of destroying as much of the Georgian civilian & military infrastructure as possible without having done so. Allowing the Separatist Militias to loot and set fires under the protection of the Russian ???Peace Keepers??? as they pushed forward was just gravy as far as Russia is concerned. As a human being I find their actions to be rather disgusting, but it???s to be expected when dealing with the Russian army.
As far as military operations go, this went perfectly for Russia b/c they have plausible deniability in regards to all the looting/civilian casualties by way of the militias and full run of the country to achieve their own objectives on their own timetable while the West sits back and resorts to harsh language, empty threats and distributing humanitarian aid. Russia will eventually absorb Ossetia & Abkhazia while also sending a clear message to other breakaway countries that they???re not afraid to move in and flex their muscles under the guise of a perceived threat. It???s debatable as to whether that message will be positive or negative for them moving forward, but they???ve cleared displayed their intentions moving forward.
Ah, Mr. Dickey, you're trying to make the case that an Obama vote is defiant. It is not, however fervently you may wish for it. I have read that when Grants army captured some rebels in Tennissee they were asked why they were fighting to which they replied,"'cause you're down here." That's Defiance. Voting for a condescending, arrogant, less than truthful elitist liberal who will undoubtredly try to tell folks how to live and make them pay for the privilege ain't defiance; it's silly. Don't hold you're breath Mr. Dickey, your face will be the only thing blue in the South this year. Steven Marshall (of that ilk.)
You brought a tear to my eye with this post. (not being sarcastic) I love it
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