The Defiant Ones

Military Donations seen favoring Obama

Report finds reversal of trend

Associated Press

Friday, August 15, 2008

U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democratic Sen. Barack Obama than to Republican Sen. John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor Republican White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.

Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Mr. Obama's presidential campaign as they have to Mr. McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.

The results also are striking because they favored Mr. Obama, who never has served in the military. Mr. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.

Mr. Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. Mr. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.

???Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need,??? Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.

Mr. McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.

???John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors,??? McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said.

???We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions,??? Mr. Goldfarb said.

The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Mr. Obama. Mr. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.

Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Mr. Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to Mr. McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.

That what you get when hire the neo-con-hot headed-high priced lobbyist to shape your foreign policy.I watched the President Saakashvill news avail he nailed every neo-con talking point that we heard coming from the White House before the War with Iraq.Your lobbyist freinds should be so proud Mr.Saakashvill.

Yes. Let's defy the North and sign the dotted line................. You are going to be shipped to a Saudi Master's processing base in Rijad where you will give up your life and fight in one of the lost battles of Afghanistan or Iraq - your pick. Sure you will have a sign-up bonus that in todays dollars giving the high cost of fuel, a weak dollar and real estate bust will be worth less than what a Minority makes in a week in the US enjoying life, smiling and laughing all the way to the bank while you defy the world and spread democracy and freedom. Getting blown up and dying in a far away landto prove the US is no. 1.

Oh, Let's go fight the Russians in Georgia or Poland sign the line........... and you can pick too. Why not? the US is no. 1 right? Do you see any rich Saidis fighting in Poland ***? No. Becaue they are no. 1. but won't tell you. They prefer that you believe they are no. 2. See they will continue living in their billion dollar mansions with beautiful models form the US, eating Filet Mignon cooked by a french cook and wine from france as well. Sing the line............. and you will get dust, rations, magazines and a Russian kicking in the ass.

Georian Pres. Blames America, for his Country's Problems

Georgian President Signs Cease Fire..

Source: www. msnbc. com



TBILISI, Georgia - Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said Friday that he had signed a cease-fire agreement with Russia, but that he would "Never, Ever Surrender" in a Showdown with Moscow Over 2 Pro-Russia Separatist Regions.


Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, standing beside the Pro-American Georgian Leader, said she had been assured that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev will sign an Identical document· "With this signature by Georgia, this must take place and take place NOW," she said....

An Emotional Saakashvili, speaking Hours after President Bush accused Russia of "Bullying and Intimidation" Against Georgia, also Accused the West of Inviting Russian Aggression by Denying Georgia a Door to NATO Membership.




Note: This Statement or Assertion by Saashkavilli is INSANE !!

It was in fact Saashkavilli and (Georgia) that Attacked (Osettia) without Provocation last Thursday and for several Reasons too.


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1. Saashkavilli is a CRAZY MANIAC and made an even CRAZIER MOVE by ATTACKING (Osettia) knowing that it was protected by Russian PeaceKeepers...

Though Saashkavilli was WARNED by the U.S. Government and Condoleeza Rice in particular, not to Use Force, this 40 yr. Old Maniac, Disregarded this Stern Warning and Charted his own Course, with Dire Consequences & Reprecussions.


2. Saashkavilli thinking that We (USA) would go to WAR over his Country, based on Oil Interest based on (Georgia) sending 2000 of it's Troops to Iraq, would go to War over them, is Presumptuous and Naieve Indeed .


3. Saashkavilli's Ambition to Influence this YEAR'S ELECTION in John McCain's FAVOR also comes into play.. Remember McCain saying that Russia should be Kicked out of the G-8, Weeks ago and His Campaign saying that, if a War Crisis were to Occur, it would BENEFIT McCain, in a ELECTION YEAR as well as Joe Lieberman Stating the same thing, OVER & OVER AGAIN.... Hmmmm

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This is a Poorly Devised and Ill Advised Move and it will have the Reverse Effect, Because The Bush Admnistration is in Fact using (Direct Deplomacy) as Obama has Suggested doing anyway.


4. Saashkavilli is Pushing the USA to have his Small Country as a part of NATO, for one REASON ALONE and that is....

The Next Time, this Maniac Attacks Osettia, he'll have the Backing of NATO FORCES....

THEN WORLD WAR 3 OR SHALL I SAY, NUCLEAR WORLD WAR 1 WILL OFFICIALLY BEGIN AND NOONE WINS !!

Dickey is incorrect in comparing Iraqi terrorists killing their own people to some kind of "noble defiance" of an invader. According to several post-war polls in Iraq, most people are grateful for Saddam's removal.

Dickey, please check your facts!

ilia25: Russian aggression against Georgia, The Republic of, started the day after it declared its independence. Georgia's move into its breakaway province of South Ossetia was in response to increased acts of aggression by Russian "peace keepers" occupying that province. Ya'll can spin it all you want but the history is well recorded.

Rick_Halverson: Cool!...my death will be too good for me! Now I have something to look forward to, thanks! I don't need you apologizing for OUR actions (yeah as you say your an American too, so it is OUR actions)

trooper_101st: Actually except for the 82nd Airborne I've extolled the virtues of the actions you've mentioned, i.e. the fleet to the Black Sea and hitting their armor (also supply lines). If you disagree, fine but to say there is nothing we can do is not true...it may not be easy but it is possible

There is a big difference in an opinion or disagreement and what the Bush backers did. Real people died because of this. It was not meerly thoughts or opinions. It was actions.

We must ask ourselves. What would we do if Russia placed missils on our boarder? Perhaps in Mexico or Cuba.

We know what we would do.

If Russia has any pride, Poland should be bombed out of existence. The closest the United States ever came to WWIII was when Cuba let Russia place missils on their land. Now we are doing the exact same thing. Russia must make the United States and Poland pay. The Unites States, we are in the wrong on this one.

It just hit me that perhaps a few might buy the missil defense scam. That is a joke. But it matters none. Poland wilol be invaded as they should be.

Rick Halverson: Have you introduced yourself to the United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Great documents that allow people to have freedom of thought without oppression. You would be a great communist in that you support the murder and/or deportation of those you disagree with. REAL Americans can disagree with another man's opinion, yet fight to the death to afford that dolt the right to express that opinion. You have a warped sense of what a REAL American is. Get a life.

Destroy the Russian Armor and they are a mass of Infantry trapped in a very unfriendly country. Georgia, The Republic of is Russia's attempt to intimidate on the cheap...we need to make it much more expensive for them.

The Republic of Georgia, formerly the Soviet Socialist Republic of Georgia, is most definitely NOT the State of Georgia a member of these United States. Even Johnny Rebs know that! What we also know is Armored vehicles without access to fuel are just big lumps of metal. After the job the Russians did on the ports of Georgia their only supply line is the one main road into the Republic. No road, no supplies...no fuel!

What kool-aid drink did this guy drink ? Typical liberal snob to blame southerners for biasis and not saying that people are NOT for Obama because of his stands on socialism. To take a portion from a famous Virginian who is a decendent of mine - George Marshall is pitiful. We know the left loved communism and wants to find fault with anything that the Bush Adm. does. The author of this article FAILED to mention that Russia went into Afgahnistan and LOST. Nor, did he mention the expertis of our Sec. of State when it deals with Russia and that she may know MORE than he does about their history.The Russian invasion into Georgia is Putins' way of trying to get back territory lost and not letting them absorb western thinking; and also no mention of the oil pipe line and the lives lost to Russian bullying. Please, the Presidents to actually sap our military was Clinton. Carter didn't do ANYTHING to help Iran when the Shah pleaded for our help and looked what happend! The south seems to be the ONLY section of the country to see what a mistake it would be to have Obama as President. The typical southern democrat is known as a northern republican. So please, spare us this liberal snobby crap.

johnny reb the only way grown ups/america is not going to lose Georgia is to put toops in there and all of e.europe. the bushies pulled troops out of Georgia just prior to invasion, which should have told Georgia something, actually many things. are you willing to risk world war(nuke or conventional)over e.europe much less georgia(you do know this is not the state of georgia(usa) we are talking about?). but the unsaid thing here is that europe and the EU have to grow a set! because with the state of u.s. convenaional power and energy they are out there by themselves, this is not 1968 as Rice pointed out. a heavy rearm of germany might have a calming effect ? as might an armed japan. if china chimed in(maybe a few divisions moved to the border by the bushie new BFF) on the u.s. side we might back them away. but that takes years and the russians could have their empire back in months. despite the u.s. being the only superpower. maybe if the bushies block the sale of hummer to russia(some mil. versions of which are in soviet mil. inventory now, maybe rolling in GEORGIA)it will back down the soviets. but i hope you are right afterall these are real lives at stake, and the cost of failure will be high. maybe the soviets are just trying to back down nato/u.s. in e.europe and know they really do not have the military means to do so. if the nato planned expansion faulters and the missle shield plans are withdrawn the russians win. big picture this may not be about georgia at all. we may not "lose"georgia but we will have lost none the less. losing by other means, remember the russians are grand chess masters.

When McCain's campaign strategist, Randy Scheunemann, a lobbyist for Georgia is involved, IT SMELLS MORE LIKE A DRAMA. I believe the whole debacle was scripted. But they underestimated the Russian resolve to act with force.

The US should NOT be the worlds police. Look at all the help we are getting in Afghanistan. Its a DISGRACE. Article 5, NATO charter was invoked, and wat help has NATO been? Almost none. Georgia is hanging by a thread, and the Russians ain't leaving. Its a done deal. Go ahead and vote for Mc Cain, it will be more of the same. The gap between the "have's" and "have nots" is now a canyon. Union shops closing down, outsourcing of jobs, how bout that 12 BILLION DOLLAR profit Exxon made in 3 months? You people are like sheeps to the slaughter. They will try and scare white voters into voting Republican, they will do ANYTHING to hang onto power. This Administration got us into an unneccessary war with Iraq, costing over 4,000 KIA, another 30k that will never serve again. For wat? Well, the oil co's got thier deal, so Bush can break out the "Mission Accomplished" banner. The ceremony should be held at WALTER REED ARMY HOSPITAL, ask the patients wat they think....criminals, all of them.

meant: THE DRAMA IN GEORGIA MAY HAVE BEEN PROMPTED BY McCain, THROUGH HIS TIES TO Saakashvili.