The Defiant Ones

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  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/14/2008 7:36:28 PM

    Yeah...Hussein stopped the violence...according to dingleberry, Tim Kain't. Boy, Virginia ya'll got a real winner. Someone apparently forgot to tell the Russians.

    Hussein really hit it on the head. his initial statement was basically..."This isn't within the "spirit" of the Olympics." The he wants the U.N. Security Council to get involved. The Russians are on the Council. They have veto power. Hussein is really showing his inexperience, and lack of knowledge, about real world events.

    Yet the Kool_Aide Kids...the devout obamamohammed....they still support the dunce. Ya'll are WEIRD.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: lw/w&w @ 08/14/2008 6:29:14 PM

    Boy, you people will take any subject and make it a reason why you think we ought to vote for Obama. If Obama gets into the Whitehouse, all of our allies can forget about us coming to their rescue. If he can't charm them, or talk them into compliant ( you know "tear down these walls!"), it is just going to be too bad.

  • Posted By: mark5608 @ 08/14/2008 2:23:49 PM

    Does anybody respond to these stories, that actually THINKS? Please tell me what an appropriate response would have been to this crisis. Has everyone forgotten the 20,000 nuclear armed ICBM's, submarines and bombers that Russia possesses? Do they really think that the US would have responded militarily had we not been in IRAQ? How? Buy getting into a shooting war with Russian troops? Where does THAT lead? Think about it! People are absolutely BLINDED by their bias against this administration. The truth? There is very little we can do without starting world war three, which wouldn't last 5 years, but more like 5 minutes. There would be no one left to debate it later. We need people to go back and read some history before commenting. The rules change when your opponent can destroy you with a push of a button. Thank GOD that most elected officials learn this early.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/14/2008 5:48:23 PM

      Don't worry, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling---yet. But, yes, I hear what you are saying, however, I am counting on common sense to prevail. Russia may be alot of things, but, unlike the terrorist, Russia still wants to continue living , just as the U.S. does, so while the U.S. is not stupid, neither is Russia, so even though they may not agree with each other's policies, they do recognize the implications of using poor judgement If we annihilate each other, what would be the point? There would be nothing left worth having control over.

    • Posted By: Akmatic @ 08/14/2008 3:43:37 PM

      The point you're missing is that there shouldn't have to be a military response b/c the aforementioned actions shouldn't be occurring in the first place and is only being allowed to precede due to the lack of a realistic counter balance to the Russian military within the region in question.

      The various semantics surrounding each countries nuclear arsenal no longer have a bearing on the ???battlefield??? b/c the truth is that they're nothing more than symbols of the Cold War era whose entire existence is based around being their own deterrent as far as hypothetical large scale nuclear war is concerned between any of the 'super powers'. Both countries fully understand that there can be no winner in that kind of war and it's not even a factor worth mentioning in conversation.

      My recommendation would be for you to do some research on the foreign policy problems that lead to this entire fiasco and stick to what you do know; blindly supporting the Bush administration & outdated Cold War era nuclear policy.

      The situation in Georgia is one of many examples displaying just how little our current administration understands the consequences of their actions both political and militarily; of which we???ll be spending at least the next 25-50 years trying to reverse and pay for.

  • Posted By: logic&reason @ 08/14/2008 2:40:57 PM

    Why does every newsweek article turn into an Obama fluff piece?

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/14/2008 5:35:20 PM

      Can't be helped, Logic, everything about Obama is fluff; no substance there to get anything remotely resembling a solid peice of info to write about.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/14/2008 5:11:38 PM

    I thought this article was going to be about Georgia the country not Georgia USA and the history of the south.
    Can Newsweek please title the articles to reflect the content. I guess I will look elsewhere for information on Georgia the country. Oh and by the way, it is my understanding thatGeorgia (the country) did not start this war, Russia did. To imply, as the the author did ,that Georgia started this war "expecting Washington to finish it " goes against what I have seen from other sources. If you can't get the title right at least get the information in the article right.

    • Posted By: bwilliams20 @ 08/14/2008 5:29:52 PM

      That's right. What the US is going to go to war with Russia? Who are you kidding. Thousands of Americans have lost their lives on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan for what? For their Rich Saudi Arabian and Jewish Masters, that the reason! And now people want the US to fight Russia while the US is losing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are more Mexicans living in the US enjoying the free lunch than living in Mexico? The confedarates lost the war to the North and the North has lost the war to the whole world. Wake up and learn your lesson from history. There is a new world order where the US dollar is very weak and weaker is its leadership. Europe and Russia combined allied with China!

  • Posted By: jordanadah @ 08/14/2008 5:22:42 PM

    there are now 3 superpowers in the world and 2 of them are not are friends. We are not about to get into a shooting war with Russia over
    Georgia. We've thrown many countries and peoples under the bus for the so called greater good. think Taiwan or the former republic os free China. They even had to lose their name. Mainly we need Russia to help keep Iran nuclear free. And us complaining about them attacking and occupying another country is a joke. Think Iraq. We have no moral authority here. If George Bush and the republicans are so keen on keeping us safe that they read our emails and listen in to our phone calls but totally missed this, They're looking in the wrong place. Where were the satilite photos of russia moving their troops to the georgian border? Just like before 9/11 bush was so focased on finding a reason any reason, whether it was true or not to attack Iraq that they dismissed all the reports of an attack coming from afganistan as unaceptable intel. bush over played his hand by taunting russia by wanting to put our missles on their borders. Remember what happened when russia was trying to put missles in cuba? So we will play our little games using the pawns but never engaging the big players, and countries like georgia will suffer. They just don't see the big picture.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/14/2008 5:06:02 PM

    Wasn't it defiance that caused a group of Europeans to tell old King George to shove it, and they, then left to travel to a foreign land, not knowing what they would find, yet they were willing to risk their very lives for something they believed strongly in---the right to be free--free to worship in their own way, without interferrence or control, free to use their skills & various talents to reach their dreams, dreams a varied as they were, but in each one obtaining their goal, they in turn benefitted each other, learning from each other, sharing their abilities with each other, so that they eventually became the most powerful nation in the world in a relative short time, while other nations had millenniums to accomplish the same, yet did not. It took a few who were determined and strong spirited enough to finally do what seemed impossible. So, defiance can often be a positive thing, when it results in something good for everyone. Defiance can, also, be a negative thing, it all depends on what the goals are of the defiant ones, and what the end results are.

  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/14/2008 4:33:50 PM

    There are many similarities between the rhetoric and behaviour of Germany in 1938 and Russia in 2008, for example the defending of one???s citizens abroad argument, accusing a smaller country of attacking a larger one, claiming that the world is biased against them, fostering separatism and ethnic conflict in its neighbours??? territories. Carl Bildt drew some good parallels between Russia and Hitler???s Germany in a recent article.

  • Posted By: Questions2 @ 08/14/2008 4:33:31 PM

    Russia has agreed to both sides withdrawing their armies only because it has no intention of pulling its forces out. It sees an opportunity to make Georgia disarm unilaterally. Russia will claim that its army in Georgia is peacekeepers, policemen or voluntary militia of the South Ossetians and keep it in. The only way to ensure that both sides withdraw their armies is to send in an international peacekeeping force, no member of which is from Russia, Georgia or any group in Caucasus. That force should have the arms and authority to enforce withdrawal of armies.
    Georgia was the lightning rod for Eastern Europe. Russia focused its economic, propagandistic and military bullying on Georgia, lightening the pressure on countries of Eastern Europe. In the 1990s Russian military planes were flying over the Baltic states and Russia was imposing trade sanctions on them. After the Rose Revolution in Georgia this activity shifted there. Now that the lightning rod is broken Eastern European countries should expect a lot more economic and military trouble from Russia.
    An old anecdote from the post-communist countries: An American, a German and a Russian are boasting in a bar. The American says: ???On my farm I drive a Ford, when I go to work I drive a Lincoln and when I go abroad I drive a Cadillac.??? The German answers: ???When I am at home, I drive a Volkswagen, at work I drive a Mercedes and in other countries I drive a BMW.??? The Russian says: ???I drive a Zhaporozhets at home and a tractor at work.??? ???And when you go to another country???? the others ask. ???When I go to another country I drive a tank,??? the Russian answers.

  • Posted By: chebyrashka @ 08/14/2008 3:33:26 PM

    The basic thing is Saakashvili is an idiot. I still don't understand why there isn't the outrage against what Georgia did to South Ossetia. They can't have it both ways. And it's dull and tiring reading that whenever Russia is involved, it's evil.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/14/2008 4:27:33 PM

      You are in luck! No more dull and tiring reading! The Democrat Party, USA, is committed to Americans Suck First! From them you can read about how evil the USA is!
      Featuring no fewer than 5 (five!) discrimination campaigns against everyday Americans you can get on board with lies, half-truths and deception! And never be dulled or tired again!

  • Posted By: anotherview @ 08/14/2008 4:22:28 PM

    Where is the EU and NATO. Talk about wimps! Unwilling to take a stand. No wonder they like Obama so much!

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 08/14/2008 4:22:25 PM

    This article is laughable. I think the public has been desensitized to the "Bush Derangement Syndrome" of so many journalists. I wouldn't use this magazine to wipe my rear end.

  • Posted By: forparity @ 08/14/2008 4:11:32 PM

    By this analysis, then we can blame Bill Clinton for millions of deaths in Africa from HIV/Aids during his term, because, unlike Pres. Bush, Clinton looked the other way and did not lead. We can blame Bill Clinton, and others, for ignoring the human tragedy which occurred when the Taliban, by force, took control of Afghanistan in the mid to late 1990's. We can blame Bill Clinton for the deaths of the 3 1/2 million who died in the D R Congo conflict between 1996 and 2000 - just after Bill Clinton went to Rwanda (for which we also give him immunity) and promised "never again." What a joke, with contributor and diamond merchant Maurice Templesman standing at Clinton's side, the millions who died there, and hundreds of thousands who died amongst the other genocidal like conflicts in Africa during the late 90's (Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Angola, etc) are the true legacy of one Democratic administration. Now personally, I would have never blamed Clinton for those millions of deaths, the millions of refugees, the millions more who contracted HIV/Aids, and the hundred of thousands of human beings who were seriously injured or whom suffered in the rape wars of the Congo; rather I would have only held him as a member of the complacent crowd, who simply looked the other way, and who prayed that the stigma of such horror might not get attached to his legacy, but when I see how quickly the media and others tend to blame relatively little conflicts like Darfur and Georgia on President Bush, I see that this is the way of our media.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/14/2008 3:13:09 PM

    Dickey; Dont be an idiot. You will be reminded that not a single world governement ever recognized the Confederacy['' It's slavery. You know that our country can never recognize you'',remarked British Army Col. Arthur Fremantle to Confederate general James Longstreet immediately before the battle of Gettysburg in 1863].
    Yet within only a few days of the Russian invasion,the leaders from no fewer than five Baltic states including Latvia,Lithuania,Ukraine,Estonia,and Poland appeared in Tiblisi to offer support for the embattled Georgians ,well knowing that their time,unlike a Confederate invasion of Canada or Mexico,would come next.
    Further,it is plain that the dullwitted Dickey[who continues to allow gross Obaman partisanship to cloud his judgement], never heard of the Berlin Airlift,which was:

    humanitarian aid without military confrontation. Against the Russians,no less.

    Dickey joins Juan Cole and Matt Ygelsias in the leftwinged chimeric Changing Of The Story. First it was Georgian perfidy ,yet as Russian tanks get closer and closer to Tblisi,it is now All George Bushs Fault That The Megalomanical Putin and ex-KGB Man Is Acting In Such A Fashion.
    Bravo-Sierra. Putin is acting in this fashion because he is Putin. And Bushs humanitarian aid can indeed come in the form of several JAVELIN anti-armour or anti-air arms stashed among the food ,medicine and clothing. Charlie Krauthammer,writing this morning, observes that a lost Georgia in no way means an ultimately victorious Russia. Kick them out of the G-8[or better,all seven democracies resign,and reform the G-7 again,shutting out Ivan]. No WTO membership for Ivan. Bad Russkie. No bisquit.
    All European and American corporations now doing business with the Russians are to forthwith withdraw,packing up their engineering and technological expertise.
    Thus there is no end to the non-military arsenal that the EU and the US can use in reponse to the lying Russians. Dismiss the Coles and Dickeys of the world who merely dance to a Kremlin wirepuller,as they are singing Putins tune right now. As far as the leftwinged goes,here is your REAL ''War For Oil'',courtesy of the Kremlin. As they are merely stooges for Putin it will be interesting to observe their rationale once Tblisi has fallen to the Red Army.

  • Posted By: Billstuart @ 08/14/2008 2:39:35 PM

    That's odd Chris. Everyone I've spoken with in the South said they wouldn't vote for Obama under any circumstances. You may need to broaden your sampling....

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