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  • Posted By: poppy5402 @ 08/17/2008 10:52:53 PM

    Ms. Clift, I believe it to be in the best interest of any canidate running for office, to show no fear, and go into hostile areas where he knows most of the people there are against him, or her. Only time will tell if he has gained or lost, but at least an effort has been made, and he will never have to second guess himself. A national audience was watching also, and some of the valued swing and independent voters just might have liked what they saw and heard. His biggest worry was not the crowd before him, but those around the nation would see him as being to inexperience, and that he might make a blunder of some sort. Now a positive, is that he got apractice round for the debates, and yeah, I know he has debated before, but things are going to be different for the general election, and this also helped to get a little "rust' off the brain for the big 3 coming. He didn't change my mind (still leaning McCain), but it did show he was willing to try.

  • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/17/2008 2:17:33 PM

    McCain and Bush do not have a father form Kenya! They don't have a father who is Muslim! Obama can not sue Corsi for telling the truth! What would be so wrong with Obama finally telling the truth!

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 08/17/2008 2:22:37 PM

      What's the truth? What you read in the GOP tabloids is very provocative to you, but you might as well go read a John Clancy book and pretend thats the "truth", it would be more beneficial to your vocabulary.

      • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 08/17/2008 2:28:29 PM

        Look it up, the fact is Obama's father and grandmother are from Kenya. Obama's father and grandmother and half brother are Muslim. Just put 2 and 2 together and you have your answer! Obama should tell the truth about this, people would not care, they worship the ground he walks on anyway! I think people would give him credit for telling the truth instead of trying to hide it!

        • Posted By: eightball @ 08/17/2008 3:41:10 PM

          Gee, I thought if you were born in America (Hawaii is in America) you could be any religion you wanted. I guess that is true for everyone who is not African-American and running for POTUS.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 9:26:14 PM

          Who cares. So Obama is or may be a Muslim. Do you consider your comments to be racist in nature, cobalt? I do!

        • Posted By: mrzoid @ 08/17/2008 2:34:17 PM

          Really, well my Grandparents (both sides) and parents, and brother, and sister are all christian, and I am agnostic; so what does that tell you? I was unaware that a person doesn't make their own decisions in life, but i guess it's up to you to be the judge of that, lord knows thats what the bibe teaches.... oh wait, that's right.

          • Posted By: sirhc @ 08/17/2008 2:55:35 PM

            ALSO-WHEN A PERSON TELLS YOU THEY ARE A CHRISTIAN-THEN THAT'S IT. PERIOD. THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN JUDGE ANOTHER PERSON'S FAITH IS THE LORD. IT SAYS IT ABOUT 1000 TIMES IN THE BIBLE-FROM ROMANS, MATTHEW, LUKE....ETC.
            BUT REPUBLICANS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS HAVE GOD COMPLEXES.........FROM GEORGE"I LOOKED INTO HIS EYES AND SAW HIS SOUL" BUSH AND JOHN "LOOK INTO HIS EYES AND YOU SEE KGB" MCCAIN THEY TRULY BELIEVE THE HAVE SOME DIVINE RIGHT TO JUDGE PEOPLE'S FAITH. I THINK THE LORD RESIDES THAT IN HIMSELF AND NOT INSIDE A "C" AND A "D-" STUDENT.

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/17/2008 2:47:53 PM

          You believe your own bs. Good luck to you!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 9:24:29 PM

      cobalt6, your citron16 is showing. Just wanted to say "hello"

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/17/2008 2:41:52 PM

      OMG, here is the truth. He is a communist. He was born on Mars, and actually has 15 wifes besides Michelle. His lover is Larry Sinclair. His birth certificate came from the planet Zulo, which happens to run parallel to Earth. He is an alien with crooked teeth. I am telling you the truth, the whole truth so help me G-d.
      If you have parents from Kenya, and you are white as a ghost, does that mean you are a MUSLIM? And you wonder why Bush was elected for two terms. WOW here is the mentality that this country has, and you wonder why what I said a few postings below applies about who posts here. Unbelievable.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 9:12:08 PM

    It turns out that, yes, Mr. Obama did work with John McCain on an ethics reform bill.
    That is, until the Democrats found out about it ??? and he ran back home and voted for their ???reform bill,??? which was meaningless.
    What a perfect example of Mr. Obama???s non-partisanship.

    Don't believe me? Read it for yourself, then form your opinion.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-06-mccain-obama_x.htm

  • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/17/2008 8:36:34 PM

    Very good article about Obama???s radical ties from CBS
    ???Obama???s Radical-Left Ties Broad and Deep???
    http://tinyurl.com/3g3ddk

  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:33:11 AM

    Wow, I cannot believe how delusional the Republican's on this blog can be. McCain smoked Obama? Man, I thought the stuff I was smoking was good. Keep grasping at straws - because it is all you have.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 1:14:46 AM

      They would say McCain smoked Obama even if McCain would have had horns pop out of his head and proclaime that he is the Anti-Christ.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 08/17/2008 1:27:46 AM

        Actually if you watched the forum (I'm guessing you did not) both candidates were asked the same question...Does evil exist and if so how would you deal with it? Ignore, negotiate, contain or defeat it?
        Obama went first and answered he would confront it. Huh? didn't see that one in the list of choices. McCain answered decisively DEFEAT IT! Now who should we place our national security with?

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 1:41:28 AM

          Just the response I would respect from a Republican stooge. The question itself was stupid. Evil? Exactly how do you define evil? If you are a Republican, the definition is anyone who does not agree with your narrow view of the world. Confront it was the perfect response. You are just too stupid to understand it.

          • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 11:02:33 AM

            And your response is just what I would expect from a do-nothing apologist.

            Quote: "Exactly how do you define evil?" You said the question was stupid! Are you that ignorant, or is your memory shot from smoking so much dope that you don't remember 9/11? Either way, you obviously need to be informed:

            Just look into the eyes of a brain dead terrorist, you know, they guy who wants to hack off your head with a dull machete... there's your definition.

            Any other basic questions you would like answered, or would you rather just toke up?

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:21:17 PM

              I realize it is easy for the limited intellect of narrow minded republicans and right wing christian fundamentalists to reduced everything to simple absolutes, but that is not how the world works. Life is more complicated than that.

              You would like people to believe that terrorists are simply born evil, which makes things nice and neat for you. The reality is that fear, hopelessness, and desparation is what creates terrorists. And having the president of the world's most powerful country arbitarily and recklessly catagorize certian countries as the "axis of evil" doesn't help.

              Obama is correct, we need to confront these people, understand the environment in which they live, and then work together to eliminate the elements of that environment that cause the ranks of the terroritists to swell with new recruits. Destorying evil is just a pandering response to the dullards of this country who cannot see past their own self-interests. The Israelies have been trying to destroy evil for decades and it doesn't work.

              Obama gave the right response, it's just a shame you are too narrow minded to realize it.

              • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 1:44:25 PM

                If it makes you feel good to say that we're at fault for being attacked, go ahead. I don't agree. I remember Clinton trying disparately to be patient and "work things out", and 9/11 was the result. I think Obama is a very diplomatic guy, but what is it that he, or anyone else for that matter, can say or do that will change them? And please don't bring up Iraq, we were hit before that happened.

                You say it's us and our policies that are at fault, but you don't mention their position, which essentially states: 'We are a peaceful race...but if you don't agree with us, we will kill you.' This ideology is not new, it is referenced in the Koran which was written in the 7th century. How are you going to undo hate that has been preached to their children for years? 'Understanding their environment' simply won't help.

                No matter how you slice it... terrorists only understand and respond to one thing... overwhelming force. The evidence? We haven't been attacked since 9/11. Once again, while I think it's a noble effort, I don't know what anyone, Obama or otherwise, can say to change them.

                Why? Because they do not want a solution. They want to be right.

                • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 1:58:53 PM

                  BTW, while I agree that people aren't born evil (most, anyway), your insinuation that we made them that way is absurd and insane.

                  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 8:36:29 PM

                    Your not going to get anywhere with ZigZug. No matter how many facts or how much evidence you present, he/she will disregard anything that challenges his mindset. He only posts with hate and vitriol never respectful to anybody else's opinions or objections.

                • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 2:02:03 PM

                  Don't be an idiot. No one is saying we were at fault or deserved to be attacked. But anyone who thinks that the terrorists and their ideology can simply be destroyed is niave - unless of course you are advocating genocide.

                  • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 2:11:36 PM

                    Re read my post... did I say I wanted to destroy an ideology? No, and I don't want to destroy any human being, unless he's trying to take my life, of course. You either can't read or you're reading into my post that which isn't there. Genocide? Please....

                    But you go ahead, sit down with them over coffee... If you make it out of the coffee shop, please let me know how the conversation went.

                    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 2:39:38 PM

                      I am sure if would be a very insightful conversation.

                      In the meantime, you and all your Republican buddies can carry on with your exploitation of the third world and the poor in this country.

                      • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 3:32:56 PM

                        Actually, I have few Republican 'buddies'. Though I support McCain, I've run my course with both parties and would vote Indy if there were a credible candidate.

                        You mentioned exploiting third would countries and the poor in our own country. How so? America already does more than any other nation to help other countries, and we do equivalent in our own back yard. How much more can we do, and what would that be?

                        You also mentioned Israel trying to destroy evil for decades and it hasn't worked. This isn't about destroying evil, it's about defense and survival! If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace. If Israel did the same thing, they would die. Sorry Zig... we'll have to differ on this one... I choose to survive.

                        BTW, thanks for your post below. Other than some of our political views, we actually have much in common!

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 11:27:34 AM

              Sky, enough of this.... I am here to take you to the beach with me. Ready to go?

              • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 11:38:21 AM

                Ima readdy tedddy... I'll pick you up in half an hour. Dress appropriately. ; )

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 3:33:08 PM

                  I'm good and ready, but no teddy. Saving that for later...

                  • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/17/2008 3:43:08 PM

                    lol, I can't wait!

                    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 3:50:09 PM

                      Much later because I am leaving now. Just wanted to see if I could catch you here before I left.
                      Ok, au revoir, bisous mon amour...

        • Posted By: mrzoid @ 08/17/2008 2:27:05 AM

          Guy, McCain gave scripted responses that didnt pertain to most of the questions, at least Obama put some thought into the answers. McCain made a few witless jokes, told a few stories that were nothing more than saying "I was a POW!", pandered to the far right, and made a hollow pledge to capture Osama (Lord knows we haven't heard that before). So that's your victory? Goddamn Bush lowered the bar for you guys didnt he.

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 2:39:57 AM

        You'd say Obama would have run even if he took off his mask and out popped Osama.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 3:10:47 AM

          I honestly do not know who "won" because I was working and not able to watch it.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 3:23:12 AM

            Me too...I was watching Olympics on nbc.com...

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/17/2008 4:07:03 AM

              I agree. Michael Phelps is unreal!

              • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 4:21:33 AM

                Michael Phelps for President???

                • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 4:25:52 AM

                  Barry isn't going to like it if Phelps wins his 2 more medals....all the media will be focused on Phelps and Obama will take a dip in polling.

                  • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 6:55:39 AM

                    Sorry Phelps has won all of his medals. He is not in any more events this Olympics.

                    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 8:32:23 PM

                      I thought he was going for 9? I may be mistaken but either way...there will be a lot of news coverage over Phelps and not Obama.

              • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 4:19:42 AM

                I know..he makes me want to get back into swimming.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 3:29:18 AM

            Although I think it's meaningless for you or I to say who won, since we are neither undecided and in my case I'm not evangelical. The only way to know who won is in November, with what the polling and statistics tell.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 4:20:50 AM

              I am not an evangelical either. I also know that I cannot influence your decision either and probably not anyone else's decion either. I just enjoy voicing my opinions on these blogs.

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 3:12:26 AM

          But it would have been intersting to see if McCain would have chased him to the gates of hell though.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 3:23:40 AM

            Or if the Kool Aid man broke through the wall... "Oh Yeah!!!"

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:06:15 PM

              The Kool Aid post again? You really need to come up with some new material.

            • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 4:13:38 AM

              Or if a Hillary supporter jumped on stage and demanded Clinton be involved in the event.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 2:38:49 AM

      Great post...I love how you backed up your assertions with.....oh yeah nothing...."because it is all you have."

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:05:09 PM

        No point in wasting intellectual capital on the delusional. Just a waste of time. Sort of like talking to you.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 8:30:30 PM

          Then why do you do it? Maybe you intellectual capital is bankrupt.

    • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/17/2008 12:44:20 AM

      You must be smoking meth.....I hear it burns holes in the brain. Sad.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:59:14 AM

        Nope, just pot - it's the only way I can deal with the "love fest" between you and Holy Roller.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/17/2008 11:35:33 AM

          Zig, Spirited and HR are husband and wife. Love is wonderful and we need more of it here... too much hate.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 12:22:56 PM

            Thanks for clarifying that - for a moment, I thought it might be the same person with two screen names :-)

        • Posted By: loriw @ 08/17/2008 1:35:50 AM

          Obama may have smoked too much pot in his youth and that is why he couldn't remember the 4 choices he was given to answer the question on dealing with evil.... choices were Ignore, Negotiate, Contain or Defeat it... and Obama wants to confront it. Wow, I bet Evil would be really, really scared...NOT.
          "Look out Evil, I am Obama and I am coming to confront you now! "
          Evil replies "LMAO!"

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/17/2008 3:15:17 AM

            Maybe they were asking about Dr. Evil.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 08/17/2008 1:42:02 AM

            See above - idiot.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 2:45:22 AM

          No wonder you love Barry, he's got the good Maui Wowwie.

  • Posted By: kapmep @ 08/17/2008 6:15:50 PM

    Ms. Clift, this is pretty much what I'd expect you to write. It's fine that you and Newsweek are 100 percent in the Obama camp, as long as you and your magazine don't pretend to be objective and unbiased.

    Your bias leads you to unwisely compare Corsi's book to the Swift Boat allegations. Maybe Corsi's book is full of outright lies. I don't know; I haven't read it. But the allegations made by the Swift Boat veterans were, for the most part, never disproven, and some were clearly true.

    I voted for McGovern. I guess I'm one of the 14 living Americans who will admit to having done so. I remember the charges you've written about, and they had no impact on my decision to vote for McGovern.

    I don't need unstubstantiated allegations to help me decide never to vote for Obama. The few policy positions he has actually stated without equivocation, his odious associations, and his almost complete lack of qualifications are more than sufficient.

    I'm not wild about McCain because of his age and a few of his policy views, but he's a man I respect who has a long record of substantive accomplishment. A contest between McCain and Obama is, well, no contest.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/17/2008 8:15:02 PM

      You got that right. I'm glad more and more Democrats or former Democrats, like myself, are coming out to show support for McCain....where are all the masses of Obamacans?

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/17/2008 8:11:11 PM

    Democrats unite. Unite behind Obama. He is your leader. Your future. Hillary abandon your wicked schemes. If you continue to try to undermine Obama's quest, he should make sure that you are unseated the next time you run for the Senate.

  • Posted By: mostim07 @ 08/17/2008 7:19:15 PM

    Corsi is not a Republican so your pinning his smears on the Republicans is itself a smear.

  • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/17/2008 7:19:07 PM

    WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT THE TRUE PATRIOT WHO BELIEVES AS WE DO ABOUT AMERICA, THE HONORABLE BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin. And no matter how many times he deceives the public or flip-flops on issues, we will not only support him, but we will make any arguments, no matter how untrue or illogical, to defend him, FOR HE IS ???THE OBAMA.???

    Signed,

    Louis ???racist and Jew hater??? Farrakhan -- http://tinyurl.com/5ljrag

    The Nation of Islam ??? http://tinyurl.com/6jhk22

    Fidel Castro -- http://tinyurl.com/3hvh7d

    Raul Castro -- http://tinyurl.com/5f2l2l

    Hamas -- http://tinyurl.com/3tqj9a

    Hezbollah -- http://tinyurl.com/676uuj

    British MP George ???I never met a terrorist I didn???t like??? Galloway -- http://tinyurl.com/5j9tw6

    Iran???s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- http://tinyurl.com/5f4x73

    Communist Party USA -- http://tinyurl.com/5ntyog

    The ???We???re a black hate group and proud of it??? New Black Panther Party -- http://tinyurl.com/6yacfm

    Rev. ???GD America??? Wright -- http://tinyurl.com/26986g

    William "the bomb" Ayers (formal endorsement to come) -- http://tinyurl.com/3vqpwb

    Raila ???the butcher??? Odinga -- http://tinyurl.com/6x2zv9

    Libyan Leader Mu'ammar Al-Qadhafi -- http://tinyurl.com/5bt6uh

    Marxist Nicaraguan Leader Daniel Ortega -- http://tinyurl.com/2rrogr

    Al ???racial ambulance chaser??? Sharpton -- http://tinyurl.com/244ddb

    Tony ???the indicted one??? Rezko ??? http://tinyurl.com/5osp79

    Father ???if only I could be a black racist??? Pfleger ??? http://tinyurl.com/5vlgp2

    Oprah ???I used to go to Obama???s church but got out just in time??? Winfrey -- http://tinyurl.com/66n6xp

    Rev. ???I hate gays??? Meeks -- http://tinyurl.com/5fpz3x

    Donnie ???Anti-Gay??? McClurkin -- http://tinyurl.com/yrj63p

    Korean Tyrant Kim Jong-Il -- http://tinyurl.com/6pdxtp

    AND VARIOUS OTHER RACISTS, BIGOTS, ANTI-SEMITES, TERRORISTS, DICTATORS AND INDICTED INDIVIDUALS.

  • Posted By: freecitizen @ 08/17/2008 7:14:34 PM

    Comparing the two hit jobs "Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command" is certainly in order since they were both written by the same guy.

    Funny thing, Nightline was the only news program that actually went to the sight of the event in Vietnam for which John Kerry received his medals to varify or refute the accounts rendered by his medal sitation and those put forward by Corsi and Bone Pickens' crew of scum bags. They actually talked the villagers who "hosted" the event and found that there were in fact 24 of their young people from thier village along with others from other areas operating AK- 47s on full auto along the river bank that very day AND that a tall young naval officer came ashore and personally killed one their people exactly as described by the citation awarding Kerry his medal for courage, inititive and leadership. When asked how they could possibly remember such and event so long ago, a little old village Grandma said that it was the single most important event in their isolated lives since something like 18 of their youngsters from this tiny village never returned from that bitter fight along the river bank.

    Characteristically John Kerry was not personally proud of his part in this event and discribed his close range victim as a very young combatant defended his own home.

    Finally we have to admit that Obama IS and unknown quanity to some extent, BUT there are things we DO know for certain about the people advising McCain. His chief foreign policy advisor is a highly paid registered agent of a foreign government. He was also the head of "the committee for Liberation of Iraq" an organization formed to put forward Achmed Chalabi and their phony "intellegence source" Curveball as a justifcation to go to war with Iraq. he was also an advisor to Donald Rumsfelt AND a member of the board and signator to the Neo-Con blueprint for world domination called The Project for the New American Century (PNAC). In their now famous manifesto they said they only needed a "pearl harbor like event" to put their plan into action and the rest is history.

    In short, we DO know what we will be getting from Mc Cain, for this is the same group of losers who brought us phantom WMDs and the disasterous war in Iraq. These are the very pasty faced creeps and chickenhawks who got absolutely everything wrong generally because their idiological world view has no basis in reality, especially when it comes to the efficacy and use of military power.

    Experience and longevity are worthless virtues if there is absolutely no evidence that those so blessed have actually learned anything from their mistakes.

  • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/17/2008 6:58:52 PM

    The Audacity of Death
    Wall Street Journal: By DANIEL ALLOTT
    June 5, 2008
    According to Barack Obama, Gianna Jessen shouldn't exist.
    Miss Jessen is an exquisite example of what antiabortion advocates call a "survivor." Well into her third trimester of pregnancy, Gianna's biological mother was injected with a saline solution intended to induce a chemical abortion at a Los Angeles County abortion center. Eighteen hours later, and precious minutes before the abortionist's arrival, Gianna emerged. Premature and with severe injuries that resulted in cerebral palsy. But alive.
    Had the abortionist been present at her birth, Gianna would have been killed, perhaps by suffocation. As it was, a startled nurse called an ambulance, and Gianna was rushed to a nearby hospital, where, weighing just two pounds, she was placed in an incubator, then, months later, in foster care.
    Gianna survived then, and thrives now, because, as she told me recently with a laugh, "I guess I don't die easy." Which is what the abortionist might have thought as he signed his victim's birth certificate. Gianna's medical records state that she was "born during saline abortion."
    As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama twice opposed legislation to define as "persons" babies who survive late-term abortions. Babies like Gianna. Mr. Obama said in a speech on the Illinois Senate floor that he could not accept that babies wholly emerged from their mother's wombs are "persons," and thus deserving of equal protection under the Constitution's 14th Amendment.
    A federal version on the same legislation passed the Senate unanimously and with the support of all but 15 members of the House. Gianna was present when President Bush signed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act in 2002.
    When I asked Gianna to reflect on Mr. Obama's candidacy, she paused, then said, "I really hope the American people will have their eyes wide open and choose to be discerning. . . . He is extreme, extreme, extreme."
    MAYBE IF BABIES COULD VOTE, HE WOULD HAVE OPPOSED THEIR MURDER . . .

  • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/17/2008 6:56:25 PM

    OBAMA IS NOT ONLY FOR LATE TERM ABORTIONS, BUT AGAINST SAVING THE LIVES OF BABIES WHO SURVIVE LATE TERM ABORTIONS: Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) portrays himself as a thoughtful Democrat who carefully considers both sides of controversial issues, but his radical stance on abortion puts him further left on that issue than even NARAL Pro-Choice America.

    In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies who survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

    Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

    When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, ???Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act ... floor debate served to clarify the bill???s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v. Wade or a woman???s right to choose.???

    But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted ???present.??? At the second he voted ???no.???

    The bill was then referred to the senate???s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote.

    Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies??? being born alive and left to die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

    Stanek told me her testimony ???did not faze??? Obama.

    In the second hearing, Stanek said, ???I brought pictures in and presented them to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were wanted!???

    ???And those pictures didn???t faze him [Obama] at all,??? she said.

    http://tinyurl.com/4knpm4

    This is the Bill where Obama was the only dissenting voice.

    http://tinyurl.com/5gxs9q

    See also, ???The Audacity of Death??? (Wall Street Journal):

    http://tinyurl.com/6zebwh

    MAYBE IF THESE BABIES COULD VOTE, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST THEIR MURDER . . .

  • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/16/2008 6:33:14 PM

    Change we can believe in."

    CHANGE #1: Despite Pledging To Withdraw American Troops From Iraq Immediately, Barack Obama Now Says He Would "Refine" His Policy After Listening To The Commanders On The Ground

    CHANGE #2: Despite Pledging To Accept Public Financing, Barack Obama Has Reversed His Position And Opted Out Of The System

    CHANGE #3: Barack Obama Is Backtracking On His Support For Unilaterally Renegotiating NAFTA

    CHANGE #4: Barack Obama Is Considering Reducing Corporate Taxes Despite Having Called Corporate Tax Cuts "The Exact Wrong Prescription For America"

    CHANGE #5: Barack Obama Has Changed Positions On The D.C. Handgun Ban

    CHANGE #6: Barack Obama Has Shifted From Opposing Welfare Reform To Celebrating Welfare Reform In A Television Ad

    CHANGE #7: As A Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama Criticizes The Administration's Energy Policy Despite Having Voted For The 2005 Bush-Cheney Energy Bill

    CHANGE #8: Barack Obama Has Shifted Positions On Nuclear Power

    CHANGE #9: Obama Adviser Said Obama Was Not Opposed To An Individual Health Care Mandate Despite His Opposition During The Primary

    CHANGE #10: During The Primaries, Barack Obama Pledged To Filibuster Any Bill Which Contained Immunity For Telecommunications Companies Involved In Electronic Surveillance, But Now Backs A Compromise Bill

    CHANGE #11: Barack Obama Disagreed With The Supreme Court Decision Striking Down The Use Of The Death Penalty For A Convicted Child Rapist Although In The Past He Opposed The Death Penalty

    CHANGE #12: Barack Obama Has Backtracked From His Earlier Commitment To Meet With The Leaders Of State Sponsors Of Terror "Without Precondition"

    CHANGE #13: After Saying Jerusalem Should Be "Undivided," Barack Obama Has Since Backtracked

    CHANGE #14: As A Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama Has Backed Away From His Earlier Support For Normalized Relations With Cuba And Ending The Embargo

    CHANGE #15: Barack Obama Is Against The California Ballot Measure Banning Gay Marriage Despite His Assertion That Marriage Is Between A Man And A Woman

    CHANGE #16: Barack Obama Says That "Mental Distress" Should Not Be Reason For A Late Term Abortion Which Contradicts His Past Extreme Pro-Abortion Views

    CHANGE #17: Barack Obama Said He Would Debate "Anywhere, Anytime" But Has Rejected Joint Town Hall Meetings

    For your reading enjoyment, click on to the link.

    http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/07/09/comprehensive-obama-flip-flop-list

    • Posted By: reezel @ 08/17/2008 6:45:23 PM

      For McCain llist of mental flips, try http://www.alternet.org/election08/90956/?page=entire

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/16/2008 6:40:14 PM

      Obama "Changing of the Mind" we can believe in.

    • Posted By: JoeDoaks @ 08/16/2008 6:39:32 PM

      "....Well Folks...He did it! Barack Hussein Obama has shattered all conventions and become the First Black American Man to achieve the highest office in our nation and will soon be sworn in as President of the United States...In spite of a few shaky moments during the recent National Democratic Convention when Hillary and Bill Clinton made an attempt to get her names on the ballot as president and vice president, respectively, they tried desperately to get enough delegate votes to sway for their side....But the ground swell in that great hall against them was so enormous that they very quickly silenced this effort by abruptly leaving the platform...Hillary screaming obscenities at the crowd and her husband Bill in tears. In the month that followed, more new voters and voters from every race, color and creed showed up at the polls in record numbers to cast their votes and make history. For the first time in nearly a decade...you can feel the electricity in the crowds of hopeful Americans who gather together in our Untied States...It is just an amazing scene to watch,,, May God and His Angels Guard Our New President...!

      • Posted By: cult followers @ 08/16/2008 7:39:31 PM

        What a wonderful way to unite the party taking about Sen Clinton screaming obscenities. And your words reflect so well on your candidate. Why can't you barryfans get it? Bashing the Clintons shows your cluelessness.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/16/2008 8:18:49 PM

          I've been saying that for almost 4 months now. They'll have a big "Oh Crap" moment when the polling shows McCain in the lead.

    • Posted By: JoeDoaks @ 08/16/2008 6:44:43 PM

      To this Ignorant,Red Neck Spy
      Here is my considered Reply...
      I lifted a rock and right there beneath
      Was this Backwards Bumkin
      With almost no teeth
      But watch us quite closely
      Keep checking the clock
      For come this November
      We're Electing Barack

  • Posted By: shallbe @ 08/17/2008 2:44:57 PM

    Obama and his supporters need to stop crying about how harsh the republicans are . he hasnt seen nothing yet, wait till the fall where im thinking obama is going to fall apart piecemeal, the man is weak, soft ,indecisive,appeasing, has not taken a solid position on any major issue. his only strength is reading a delivering a prepared speech before thousandfs of screaming members of his fan club., which makes him a perfect candidate for most democrats aka the crybaby party.

    • Posted By: MXYZPTLK @ 08/17/2008 6:42:34 PM

      You're correct. I've never seen crybabies like Obama, those in his campaign, and his supporters. They can dish it out, but they sure can't take it.

    • Posted By: reezel @ 08/17/2008 6:31:16 PM

      Do you thnk that a discussion of issues, with some data supporting the positions might be more worthwhile and slander? I suspect this form of rational democracy might be a bit difficult but let's give it a try.

  • Posted By: reezel @ 08/17/2008 6:22:58 PM

    A key point. Much of the response to the smears are at the grass roots level. Many of us are busy with our email and networking our contacts and then recepients email their contacts and a wide web is thrown out. This is contrast to the McCain mob who rely on the media to spread their negative comments and distortions of Democratic positions.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/17/2008 6:22:16 PM



    August 17, 2008

    Gallup Daily: McCain, Obama Remain Tied45% of registered voters support each candidate

    McCain - 45%

    Obama - 45%

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking for Aug. 14-16 finds John McCain and Barack Obama tied at 45% in the latest presidential election trial heat.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/109552/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Obama-Remain-Tied.aspx


    Gallup
    July Leader Lost in 6 of Last 9 Competitive U.S. Elections.
    Convention period could prove crucial in determining the winner.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/108676/July-Leader-Lost-Last-Competitive-US-Elections.aspx

  • Posted By: tennismom @ 08/17/2008 5:56:04 PM

    Eleanor, exactly WHAT is Obama going to hit back with? This is what he is, and sorry, the truth hurts.

    Its funny how the Republicans and others are accused of negative campaigning. I believe its called THE TRUTH.

    If Corsi is telling lies, then I would expect Obama to sue him for slander. Oh, guess that hasn't come up. Just like John Kerry didn't sue the Swift Boaters.

    Personally, I wouldn't lift a finger to help a man who has fought against giving medical aid to babies who have survived abortions? And I, any many others, will not vote for him either.

    Sorry, dems, Nobama is toast.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/16/2008 6:10:54 PM

    Let's hit back at the Republicans and give them a taste of their own medicine. How's this for starters:

    It was McCain who was involved in the S&L crisis under Bush Sr. - that was Neal Bush too. The McCains and Bushes are terrible for our economy, bad for the country's image overseas (terrible, too) and a drain on our national army, navy and marines. Forget the Republicans, they're toast. They suck and they know it. They're losing right and left and they won't win the White House either. They do not deserve to call themselves American - they're anything BUT patriotic and they HATE government. They're traitors.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 08/16/2008 6:44:58 PM

      Sounds like you got it ALL figured out!. Go vote Obama...Oh and dont forget McCain was cleared of charges in the S&L scandal...Unlike Clinton being charged and impeached...Dont worry..Im sure we are going to hear alot about Obamas little skeletons in the closet..Cant wait!

      • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/17/2008 5:50:31 PM


        Clinton was never impeached, if he had been he'd not have finished his second term in office. Funny enough, he finished with a 65% approval rate. Bush is looking at 28%.

        Don't be too hasty to cast accusations on Obama. McCain has his own skeletons.

  • Posted By: Phil08 @ 08/17/2008 5:46:36 PM

    MUSLIMS WILL RULE AMERICA__JEWS ARE A VIRUS RESEMBLING AIDS??????

    From Middle East Research Institute Monitor Project

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/669.htm


    GADDAFI: OBAMA IS A MUSLIM

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1791.htm


    Same Translation on Youtube.com

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo&feature=related



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLX0hnad9x0

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/16/2008 5:49:44 PM

    Dear Holly Roller: Thank you for tour tireless efforts to unmask Obama. He is not only the most inexperienced Presidential candidate in the history of this country, he is the most hostile to its values and ideological roots. If the word racist, has any meaning, he is a racist. His book: Dreams From My Father shows this clearly.
    .

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/16/2008 6:03:41 PM


      A) One has to be on acid AND crystal to think Obama could be LESS inexperienced than Bush. After all, six years after we invaded Iraq, McCain, who wants to take up the mantle of that war didn't even know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis. And this man is ready to be president?

      B) Do you have any facts to support that Obama is a racist? If the book "clearly" states that then you must have clear examples. Any excerpts from the book you cite? Who is he racists towards? Last time I checked he was BOTH black and white. If you want a little history in racism, ask John McCain what Karl Rove said in the North Carolina primaries in 2000 against his adopted child. THAT was racism.

      C) Doobie Roller is doing a decided unchristian thing (bearing false witness) for what she thinks is a righteous end, which it isn't. If you want racism, read a few of her posts. Whether you agree with her politically or not, if you are fair-minded, you cannot deny it.

      • Posted By: cult followers @ 08/16/2008 7:19:48 PM

        CAZADOR1972:

        A) "One has to be on acid AND crystal to think Obama could be LESS inexperienced than Bush."

        How can barry be more experienced at being president than bush whose been president for almost 8 years? ps When it comes to barry it's probably cocaine/crack or spliffs - not acid or crystal meth.

        B) "Do you have any facts to support that Obama is a racist? If the book "clearly" states that then you must have clear examples. Any excerpts from the book you cite? Who is he racists towards? Last time I checked he was BOTH black and white."

        First of he defines himself as black. And once can be biracial and be racist towards either race...as is the case with barry. I'm sure in 1995 he wasn't thinking that anti-whitey words would come back to haunt hiim, mush as michelle didn't think her thesis would. And why can't you real the posts everywhere? axelrod admitted on GMA after three denials by barry's campaign that barry was yes indeedy using the race card against McCain. For barry's book of mythology about the dreams of a man he met for one day- read it (totally boring and long ramblings of nothingness and perceived slights) Be sure to read where he said Bush one washed his hands with sanitizeror for small audio excerpts in barry's own voice - go to youtube. Please take note of the way he says "white" and listen to how he mimics his typical white person GM's voice. Since I know you won't - here;s a few of my favs:

        DREAMS OF MY FATHER BARACK OBAMA

        "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

        "Our rage at the white world needed no object, he seemed to be telling me, no independent confirmation; it could be switched on or off at our pleasure."

        'I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S [not his...his childre are 1/4 white] RACE AT THE AGE OF TWELVE OR THIRTEEN, WHEN I BEGAN TO SUSPECT THAT BY DOING DO I WAS INGRATIATING MYSELF TO WHITES."

        CAMPAIGN STRATEGY:

        "Black politicians less gifted than Harold discovered what white politicians had known for a very long time: that race-baiting could make up for a whole host of limitations."

        "A steady attack on the white race, the constant recitation of black people's brutal experience in the country...Yes the whites are responsible for your sorry state, not any inherent flaws in you."

        "Ray assured me that we would never talk about whites as whites in front of whites without knowing exactly what we were doing."

        "IN FACT, WHITES ARE SO HEARTLESS AND DEVIOUS THAT WE CAN NO LONGER EXPECT ANYTHING FROM THEM."

        The CAPS were curiously left out of his audioversion.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

        Stars with barry saying" That's just how white folks will do you."

        • Posted By: mattie against MSM bias @ 08/17/2008 4:36:08 PM

          Do you know they never come back when you give them just ONE thing?

          • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/17/2008 5:40:24 PM


            You know, if you nitpick bits and pieces of Mein Kaumph, Hitler sounds like he is makes sense. CONTEXT people! : )

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/17/2008 5:21:04 PM


          A) When Bush first ran against McCain in 2000 his lack of experience didn't matter to Republicans then, and Conservatives seem to think he's done great (Rolling Eyes). His experience as governor does not count towards much because in Texas, it is the Lieutenant Governor who exercises real power.

          B) Obama wrote a VERY heartfelt and honest book about his experience growing up biracial. You can't take sentences out of context and blame him for racism because, if you read through the end of the book, you'd see that he came through in harmonizing both of his cultures.

          C) Your "quotes" about Obama's campaign are too ridiculous to even dignify, suffice it to say I haven't seen a single example of that type of racism, since Obama knows well he can't win without the White vote. Wait until later this week for his VP announcement. I'm sure it will be a person as white as you are, fear not.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/16/2008 7:15:25 PM

        Lies Lies and more Lies. You will not find any racist postings from me. I could care less about the external features of any candidate. It is their values and inner self that concern me. The mohammed thing though.....That is not racist ..Mohammeds come in all shapes sizes and colors. And their "god" was, is, and always will be....a fallen Angel. Just like their prophet was a pedophile warrior. Has not a thing to do with race.

        Sooooo....Cry all you want. Pout...Shout....Screammmmm at the top of your lungs. Play the poor poor victim...that is the standard for the left wing kooks. Facts remain the same. America will not elect a mohammed crook and a fraud as her Leader.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/17/2008 5:36:58 PM



          Lies, lies and more lies from people like you, Doobie Roller, who are required by faith to speak the truth. You do know that you are bearing false witness, right? You are breaking a commandment of the faith.

          "America will not elect a mohammed crook and a fraud as her Leader"

          No, America already elected a false Christian and fraud as her leader, he's still in the White House. Come November though, America will elect a wise, sober, responsible and HONEST president, for a change, named Barack Obama.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/16/2008 7:26:33 PM

        He grew up drinking the poison of Marxism, Ellsion, Franz Fanon, Malcolm X and liked it so much that he continued to enjoy it in the form of liberation theology and Reverend Wright's sermons.

        • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/17/2008 1:09:15 PM


          Well, George Bush, the patron saint of conservatives, grew up on booze and cocaine, didn't he?Also, if you are from Latin America, you'd know that right wing militias killed tenfold the amount of people left-wing governments did.

          I'll take Obama over Grandpa Munster any day.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/16/2008 5:59:38 PM

      Try relating to the issues instead of just using irrational and unfounded name calling,,, leave that to HR as he is constantly doing it. The issues seem to be an area McCain and his followers are totally afraid of and I guess, understandably so.

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