IT IS IMPERATIVE TO HAVE ONE OSSETIA.GEORGIA SHOULD COME TO ITS SENSES AND STOP BEHAVING AS A BULLY.
As Russian troops divide Georgia, tales of civilian hardship spread.
IT IS IMPERATIVE TO HAVE ONE OSSETIA.GEORGIA SHOULD COME TO ITS SENSES AND STOP BEHAVING AS A BULLY.
Is Russia going to allow N. Ossetia to join with S. Ossetia and become independent? That's the only way there will be "one Ossetia." But I don't see it coming.
Dear Anna Nemtsova, do something for peace between the USA, Russia, and Georgia.
I think Anna is smarter than that. See remembers what happened to Politkovskaya... There is no independent media left in Russia. Thankfully for her Nemtsova works for Newsweek.
Frankly, no one reporter can alone. Not until those in control of the communications realize the information is much ahead of them that they will adapt. Editors are going to have to decide to support reporters that report. The truth is going to have to establish a good market value. As for now, slices of fact masquerading as a whole will prevail. We used to have a theory about communications we called the "First-Liar Rule."
Usually the first person to tell a story has an interest in it.and tells their side. Because of primacy of learning, what you hear shadows all other judgements... forming a baseline of knowlege. The "First-Lies" in this war were prepared, ready, and exported as fact with breathtaking speed.
Probably 9 in 10 Americans still believe Russia "invaded" to occupy a former state.
It is interesting what you say but let's build peace despite it is harder than earning money.
Russia should use Iran as an ally, to defend themselves against US. America just said they want back military equipment which was given as "aid" to Gorgia and seized by Russia. Russia should give some aid to Iran as well to let the US know there will be consequences when they support and fund the attack on Russia
U.S. wants their HMMWVs back, they were not "aid" to Georgia, they were U.S. property and were used in training.
Ivan has been offering the world an "Alter-Globalism" for some time. India, China, Brazil and Russia met in Moscow with Medvedev not long ago to cement their fraternalism. Not one mention in the western media. There are none so blind, as those who WILL not see.
Chechenya is a Russian province and has been so since the 18hundreds. Russia will move out of Chechenya when US gives Texas back to Mexico. Russias had to intervene when a US puppet state commited genocide and slaghtered 2000 people. They are currently withdrawing, when are US ending their "intervention" in Afghanistan, Iraq and Serbia? (Soon Iran as well). Europe needs to end its support for US aggression
How long has S. Ossetia been a part of Georgia? How about since the days of Queen Tamar, when she hired the Ossetians to help her fight against the Turks and in return allowed them to live on Georgian land so that thay would not have to travel too far next time they would become needed. That land is now known as S. Ossetia. And, by the way all this happened around the times of the Crusades.
They should get just what they asked for Russia, suspension of G-8 membership, removal from the WTO, etc. If you want to get the attention of the ruling classes, threaten their property correctly. Make it bad for their busineses and they will get their monkey back in line fast.
GEORGE'S BUDDY.....PUTIN.....
Oh what did you expect a kid who grew up in a St. Petersburg tenement under communism, chasing rats for sport, who dreamed of being a KGB guy... to do when cornered. Ol Vlad has tried as hard as he could to not completely flip out with all of the provocations. The Neo-Cons wanted to make Putin/Medvedev look bad. They had a media-relations effort cooking as the war began. They need boogiemen and Putin is made to order.
The story of Putin's childhood, so tender, brings tears to my eyes. Forget international poisonings, forget murders of journalists who dared to speak the truth; how can you not expect that from a guy who grew up "chasing rats for sport." Forget the documented human rights abuses in Chechnya; but of course S. Ossetia and Chechnya are completely different. One should be recognized a state and the other should be drowned in blood and kept a part of the "federation."
There is an Ossetian People. This is a Nation.
People of this nation live indifferent COUNTRIES : North Osetia - in Russia, South Ossetia - in Georgia. This Nation is devided. They want to be together, One nation in One place, in One country .
Do they have the right? - They certainly do.
Since Russia and Georgia stay appart, this Nation wants to join. Georgia is fighting against it.
So - who is Fascist? - Georgia.
Moreover, people in south Ossetia have Russian citizenship, Russian passports.
When Georgia attacked South Ossetia ( thhe part of the country they consider belongning to Georgia) -population of South Ossetia ran TO RUSSIA.
Now look - Fascist Georgian President ordered to shoot these people, people of his country.
Hey , we, Americans, when we will understand that???!!! His Own People .
He ruined the capital of South Ossetia. HE started Military attack. He turned this long term conflict into the WAR.
WHY, we ,Americans, should support this Fascist?
Why Media did not show us even ONE video, at least one photo, what this Fascist did in South Ossetia?
Why Bush and McBush is disinforming us?
We may think whatever about intentions of Russia. These are just thoughts.
What we can see - Russia is defending its OWN Citizens in South Ossetia.
(agree - not adequiet), Georgia is shooting people on its own territory.
So simple.
People, think. They want us to push into the WAR.
Bush and McBush.
Passports that were indiscriminantly handed out by Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs just to have that excuse: "we are protecting russian citizens!" How long have they been Russian citizens? 2, 3, 4 years? What are Russian citizens doing taking potshots at Georgian police patrols and neighboring Georgian villages? What is Russia doing, artificially creating tension by arming and supplying the separatists?
S. Ossetia and Abkhazia were offered a chance at an autonomy as part of greater Georgia, with representation in the central gov't. They refused, prodded by Russia to keep destabilizing the only democratic, pro-western gov't in the region. Saakashvili is no saint, but let's keep things in perspective and accurately portray both sides
GO RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!! MOTHERLAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!
tupitsa
Let's build peace.
Dear BUDTHEPATRIOT,
Just because Japan may have killed women and children does not make it right for USA to atom bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
IT IS IMPERATIVE TO HAVE ONE OSSETIA.GEORGIA SHOULD COME TO ITS SENSES AND STOP BEHAVING AS A BULLY.
By the start of the Russian-Georgian war Russia had been raising the tension in South Ossetia for some time. At first there were flights of Russian military planes over Georgia a few years back, then isolated bombs dropping into Georgia, then firefights on the border. When Saakashvili ordered Georgian forces to Tshinvali after a unilateral Georgian ceasefire, a Russian tank column was moving into South Ossetia from the north to increase the already large force in there. Saakashvili really had a choice between a slow and creeping occupation of Georgian territory or an actual war. In hindsight it is not clear whether the slow annexation would have been better ??? it would not have drawn international attention and the meagre international help that Georgia got. The eventual position of Georgia might have been worse.
Why do you repeat Saakashvili interview? How is that: "We expected Russian attack, so we decided to kill a bunch of civilian to let them justify their attack and punich us harder"? Tipical monologue of idiot.
You should listen to Limbaugh spew. There are people in the free-media who are flat insane. Glenn Beck comes to mind. Ann Coulter. Dick Morris. These people have done for logic, academia, art, culture, and society what Stalin accomplished for Agriculture. Bigotry, Hate, Division, Sectionalism and Religion have been used as wedge issues to distract people with base issues while these scum have manipulated a war on terror into Conquest. They conflate, quibble and malign when they can not refute.
It was Shrub who said as he was about to steal Saddam's oil, "I am not worried about Osama bin Laden."
Russia under Putina is moving just as predicted in the Bible. Chapter 38 of Ezekial predicted that Russia would join forces with the Anti-Christ muslims in Persia (Iran) to fight against the Christians.....now it is happening in front of our eyes. Putin and his vicious army is moving south, brutally killing the Christian Georgians as he goes. This protoge of Adolf Hitler will start WWIII and Armeggeddon....he has no conscious......all he knows is the desire of the KGB for land and conquest.....It is such a shame as the West and Europe had welcomed him and Russia with open arms and even now would still do so....but no....murder and evil is in his heart.......
Ok...
So your belief in a personal God has made a former commie Hitler, and this all just part of God's plan. It has also told you that this is our fault for listening to someone who looked into Putin's soul? We have been too nice to him by sticking missles into him like suppositories? We have been to nice to him by giving arms to his enemies? We have been too nice to him by restricting his access to markets, goods and services? We have been too nice to him by supporting attacks against him?
Ok, how much whoop-(expletive) does Jesus need? Get the good shepherd a hood for torture, drop the crown of thorns for the barbed wire of black sites, and forget the sacrifice of the cross and go over on offense now!
(In America, the 1st Amendment made heresy the state religion. the 2nd Amendemnt armed them to the gills, so they could shoot their neighbors in the name of their god.)
For insight on US aggressive imperial ambitions in Eurasia, read at least the book review for "the grand chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski (former security advisor to Jimmy carter and current to Obama). This book tries to justify why US must isolate Russia and conquer Eurasia to continue world dominance.
Most Americans do not get this, but there are Right-Wing Democrats too. And Moderate Democrats, and yes even some Neo-Cons. Zbig has his issues with Russia, from Poland. There are an awful lot of Americans that do hate Russia. They really do not know why, they just do.
For Russia, one political party here is suspicious of you and will be forever. Those are Democrats.
The other party sees you as a business rival in the oil market, and will do whatever it takes to win. It's just business to them. They call it free markets, when it is really a loose confederation of cartels, speculators, and political fellow-travelers.
As this drags on into week 3, officially the government in Moscow is insisting a pullout of Russian troops has begun, however reports on the ground seem to indicate that the troops are digging in and fortifieing their posiitons deep inside Gerogia. I wonder if some of the reports of rouge Russian officiers and officials are conducting this operation independent of what the Organ Grinder and his chimp are ordering.
They are talking past each other. Ivan is leaving what He now thinks Georgia is, or may decide it to be. That wont include any S Ossetia, Ivan is digging in there and that is deep into Georgia. Both are possible.
We want Ivan to go back to where things were. That is probably not going to happen and Condi will whine, snivel and call Ivan bad things. Bush will act tough. Cheney is calling his swiss banker, and making sure the deposit cleared.
I think Ivan is going to get all the mileage he can, and so are we.
SO TRUE IT IS..THESE TIMES HAVE BEEN PREDICTED BY NASTODUMAS,THE BIBLE,EDGAR,AND OUR DREAMS OF DESTRUCTIONS...AS THE TIME GROWS NEAR OUR CONSIOUS MINDS WILL GET FLASHES OF WHAT S TO COME..WE ALL HAVE THIS ABILITY OUR SOULS ARE EQUIPED WITH POWERS TO PROTECT OURSELVES..TRUST WHAT YOU DREAM AND FEEL ,STOCK UP ON FOOD AND WATER BUILD A SHELTER AND ARM YOURSELF CAUSE THOSE WHO IGNORE THESE WARNINGS WILL HAVE TO ROB AND KILL TO SUVIVE...BUDTHEPATRIOT@AOL.COM TRUST WHAT YOUR MIND TELLS YOU WHEN YOU SEE THE END COMMING IT IS !
JUST BECAUSE GEORGIA MAY HAVE KILLED WOMEN AND CHILDREN DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT FOR RUSSIA TO COME IN AND DO THE SAME..HELL KILL THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE NOT THE ONES WHO DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CLUE !!! WE ARE SURRONDED BY IDIOTS !!!!!! WE NEED TO KILL OFF ALL THOSE PEOPLE AT THE TOP AND LET THE SLAVE LIVE !
A picture is shown from the Georgian side only. Watch a picture about Gerogian cruelty from another side: http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29187.
The author of the article writes: "Utiashvili explained that the tension was growing between the two states for two years, and that in May the Georgian government realized that war was inevitable. " Well, I can translate this like "the Georgian government had _illusions_ that war was inevitable and started the war because of the illusions" or "the Georgian government knew that war was inevitable because Saakashvili was going to start the war". Saakashvili bought a large amount of new weapons for this war.
Some of you understandably jealous because Georgia at least has a legitimate, if
fledgling democracy unlike the Russia KGB-ogarky. We know that Medvedev was Putin's
attendent in St. Petersburg.
By the way Olga and Anna,if you are reading this, hope you guys are keeping it together.
I 'll pray for you and your country which is in the wrong in this one.
Even EU considered legitimacy of Saakashvili somewhere between Mugabe and Bush. There is no one legitimate Goverment in former USSR Republics.
Mugabe on the high end of credibility, right?
The Russians shuld move out of Georgia and Chechnia just as soon as the US moves out of Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Fair deal here. Otherwise the US will be sending troops to die in Georgia and Poland. Let the president of Georgia figure out how to get our of his own mess and the idiot Bush should not intervene just to save his ass from a Russian humiliation. Bush has enough trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan not to mention Iran and N. Korea wanting to get into this mess. Let's expand the axis of evil to include Russia and say the US???
WHy isn't our war dog barking now? This is one of the most depressing stories I have read in the past 7 years.
The Soviets want a base for oil and military positioning to the conflict
in Afganistan and Iraq If the USA really went to war for human rights,
for democracy why isn't the war dog barking now.? Oops we must have
miscalculated the reasons we are in Afganistan and Iraq.
Perhaps we should have established a base in Georgia a long time
ago.
Russians had bases there before and dismantle them long before Saakashvili. Why would they want this heaache again? Only one thing they want now is to depose Saakashvili and kill him, because he does not deserve Haague tribunal. And they will nol let Georgia function until it is done. Bush, instead on barking, better search for smarter "our SOB".
Actually, a smarter "our sob" should begin in Washington. I also know that if Russia had wanted to stomp Georgia flat they could have done it at any time since 1991. The idea that this is a Russian territorial move only exists in the minds of those who don't know any better. The world was waiting for the Beijing games to begin, our hearts and heads were elsewhere.
As for killing this Saakshvili, will it be Polonium tea, a native Russian blend of reactor residue and tin? Or will you give him a glass of dioxin? (I thought that move was especially charming, giving a Ukrainian guy American Toxic waste... what a sense of developed irony you have...) The worst job in Georgia has to be this idiots palace taster.
US attaked Grenada, Yugolavia, Iraq - Soviets/Russins had to sit and bark.
Russia attacks Georgia (or even Ucraine) - US will have to sit and bark. Get used to realities.
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