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  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 4:45:00 PM


    Here is a detailed article about Obamas REAL stance on the BAIP Act by Jill Stanek. It is long but worth posting, especially since NEWSWEEK chose to bury their article about Obamas not voting for this bill! Any thoughts?

    Obama Blocked Born Alive Infant Protection Act
    4-2-2008
    by Jill Stanek

    PART I

    On JAN. 10, 2005, newly elected U.S. Sen. Barack Obama visited former colleagues and staffers at the Illinois state Capitol, where he had served seven years as state senator. I happened to be at the Capitol that day, too, and a friend and I took the opportunity to speak to Obama, who had not yet achieved rock-star status and was still approachable.

    We were in Springfield to lobby for passage of the STATE BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT, legislation that would require hospitals to care for infants who survive an abortion. OBAMA SPOKE AGAINST the legislation in 2001 and 2002 and SINGLE-HANDEDLY DEFEATED IT in committee in 2003.

    My friend stood in Obamas path and said, Senator, we are going to pass Born Alive here in Illinois this year. Obama smiled smoothly and agreed, I think you will, adding, I would have voted for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois HAD IT BEEN WORDED the SAME as the Federal bill. I think that is the position the Democrats should take(, he said).

    THERE IS JUST ONE THING HE FORGOT TO MENTION: Obama had STOPPED his committee from adding the Federal wording. With Obama no longer in the state Senate, the Born Alive legislation passed in 2005.

    First Encounter

    An Illinois lawmaker offered the FIRST DRAFT of the states BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT in 2001 after I revealed publicly that Christ Hospital left babies who survived abortion - viable babies whose delivery was induced, and whom the abortionist intended to kill but somehow survived - in a utility room to die.

    The bill, sponsored by (Illinois) state Sen. Patrick O???Malley of Oak Lawn defined BORN ALIVE using LANGUAGE IDENTICAL TO that of FEDERAL LEGISLATION introduced in 2000 by Rep. Charles Canady, R-Fla., who in turn drafted wording

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

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  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 4:42:40 PM



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    PART II

    developed by the World Health Organization in 1950 and adopted by the United Nations in 1955:

    DEFINING BORN ALIVE:

    The term BORN ALIVE, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the COMPLETE EXPULSION or EXTRACTION from its mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion. I first encountered Barack Obama on March 27, 2001, when I testified before the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he was a member. My testimony included my description of holding a premature aborted baby until he died:

    One night, a nursing co-worker was taking an ABORTED DOWNS SYNDROME BABY who was BORN ALIVE TO OUR SOILED UTILITY ROOM because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have time to hold him. I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived. He was 21 to 22 weeks old, weighed about ½ pound, and was about 10 inches long. He was too weak to move very much, expending any energy he had trying to breathe. Toward the end, he was so quiet that I could not tell if he was still alive unless I held him up to the light to see if his heart was still beating through his chest wall. After he was pronounced dead, we folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where all of our dead patients are taken.

    Obama questioned whether the BORN ALIVE legislation would impede the right to abort and doctor/patient decision-making. He and an American Civil Liberties Union attorney speculated BORN ALIVE would force doctors to resuscitate nonviable aborted babies.

    Obama OPPOSED BORN ALIVE in committee, BUT voted PRESENT - neither yes nor no, but merely present - on the Illinois state Senate floor, one of MANY PRESENT VOTES that Hillary Clinton has cited as evidence that Obama lacks leadership skills. Clinton voted for the federal Born Alive bill, putting her on record as more pro-life than Obama.

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

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  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 4:40:52 PM


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    PART III

    Constitutional Blindness

    A graduate of Harvard Law School, Obama TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at the University of Chicago for 10 years. Both schools are listed in the top 10 law schools in the country. BUT Obama revealed his CONSTITUTIONAL BLIND SPOT in his (own) book The Audacity of Hope:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created [emphasis added] equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among those are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.???

    OBAMA: (T)he essential idea behind the Declaration ??? that we are BORN [emphasis added] into this world free, all of us; that each of us arrives with a bundle of rights that cannot be taken away by any person or any state without just cause; that through our own agency we can, and must, make of our lives what we will, is one that every American understands.

    Note Obamas choice of the word BORN over the word CREATED. Perhaps that helps explain his (Obamas) support for UNRESTRICTED ABORTION. Also note that our BUNDLE OF RIGHTS can be TAKEN AWAY with JUST CAUSE.

    Obama clearly considers abortion a JUST CAUSE. Here is how he argued against Born Alive during Illinois Senate debate in 2001:

    OBAMA: I just want to suggest ??? that this (legislation) is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we are really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a - child, a 9-month-old - child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it, it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.

    The legislation passed the Senate, but (it) did not survive in the House. When Rep. O???Malley reintroduced Born Alive and its companion bills in 2002, they headed again to the same committee, where Obama rewrote history:

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

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  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/19/2008 4:39:24 PM

    BIG NOTE: AFTER THE OLYMOICS....WAIT A MINUTE...

    IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLOSING OF THE OLYMPICS...

    CHINA'S HU JIN TAO IS GOING TO SOUNDOFF BIG IN RUSSIA'S DEFENSE AND IN THIS BIAS CASE, RIGHTLY SO.

    KEEP IN MIND CHINA AND RUSSIA AROUND THIS SAME TIME LAST YEAR, DID MILITARY JOINT EXCERCISES, TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO AMERICA, TO STOP BUTTING IN THE LIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER NATIONS.

    ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE BULLYING OTHER COUNTRIES !!

    ITS HYPOCRITICAL AND JUDGING OTHER COUNTRIES AS "INHUMAN" "BARABARIC" AND "BULLYING" THATS NOT A WAY TO TREAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST AS MUCH MIGHT AS YOU SEPERATELY, MOREOVER COLLECTIVELY IN MILITART MIGHT AND NUCLEAR MIGHT...

    VERY UN-WISE...INDEED

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 4:39:14 PM



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    PART IV

    OBAMA: Ms. Stanek, your initial testimony last year showed your DISMAY AT THE
    LACK OF REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE. I agreed with you last year, and WE SUGGESTED that there be a Comfort Room or something of that nature be done. The hospital acknowledged that and changes were made and you are still unimpressed. It sounds to me like you are really not interested in how these fetuses are treated, but rather not providing absolutely any medical care or life to them.

    Of course, Obama HAD NOT AGREED with me the year before, and I WAS THE ONE who had TOLD HIM ABOUT THE COMFORT ROOM, which the hospital created in response to MY testimony: We now have this prettily wallpapered room. ??? There is even a NICE WOODEN ROCKER in the room to rock live aborted babies to death.

    The hospital made live birth abortions LOOK NICER, but the end result was still DEAD BABIES.

    OBAMA SAID: What we are doing here is to create one more burden on women, and I can not support that, and he voted NO in committee again.

    The bill went again to the Senate floor, where Obama was the SOLE SPEAKER AGAINST IT, claiming that it would impose a BURDEN on PHYSICIANS:

    OBAMA: [T]his [legislation] puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they are performing this procedure, that in fact, this is a nonviable fetus.

    Troubled Conscience?

    Democrats won control of the Illinois state Senate in November 2002, and when Born Alive was REINTRODUCED FOR THE THIRD TIME in 2003, it was directed to the Obama-chaired, infamously LIBERAL Health and Human Services Committee, where HE simply REFUSED TO CALL IT FOR A VOTE.

    By this time Obama was running for U.S. Senate. He won his primary in March 2004, and Republicans recruited former U.N. Ambassador Alan Keyes, who lived in Maryland, to oppose him. It was Obamas position against Born Alive that persuaded Keyes to run, as he stated in his announcement speech:

    Source: http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007034.cfm

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  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/19/2008 4:29:16 PM


    Who Started Cold War II ?

    http://antiwar.com/pat/index_pat.html

    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    I've been saying this since this farce Began and Now bat Buchanan is Saying the Same Thing !!
    The American people should be eternally grateful to Old Europe for having spiked the Bush-McCain plan to bring Georgia into NATO.

    Had Georgia been in NATO when Mikheil Saakashvili invaded South Ossetia, we would be eyeball to eyeball with Russia, facing war in the Caucasus, where Moscow's superiority is as great as U.S. superiority in the Caribbean during the Cuban missile crisis.

    If the Russia-Georgia war proves nothing else, it is the insanity of giving erratic hotheads in volatile nations the power to drag the United States into war.

    From Harry Truman to Ronald Reagan, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates said, U.S. presidents have sought to avoid shooting wars with Russia, even when the Bear was at its most beastly.

    Truman refused to use force to break Stalin's Berlin blockade. Ike refused to intervene when the Butcher of Budapest drowned the Hungarian Revolution in blood. LBJ sat impotent as Leonid Brezhnev's tanks crushed the Prague Spring. Jimmy Carter's response to Brezhnev's invasion of Afghanistan was to boycott the Moscow Olympics. When Brezhnev ordered his Warsaw satraps to crush Solidarity and shot down a South Korean airliner killing scores of U.S. citizens, including a congressman, Reagan did â?????? nothing.

    These presidents were not cowards. They simply would not go to war when no vital U.S. interest was at risk to justify a war. Yet, had George W. Bush prevailed and were Georgia in NATO, U.S. Marines could be fighting Russian troops over whose flag should fly over a province of 70,000 South Ossetians who prefer Russians to Georgians.

    The arrogant folly of the architects of U.S. post-Cold War policy is today on display. By bringing three ex-Soviet republics into NATO, we have moved the U.S. red line for war from the Elbe almost to within artillery range of the old Leningrad.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/19/2008 4:27:54 PM

    John McCain, Randy Scheunemann, Joe Lieberman and Certain Republican Officials were counting on this Georgia-Russia CONFLICT to HELP Jon McCain.....

    It has'nt, as well as the Saddleback SetUp

    It Exposed John McCain as an Antagonizer and Propogandist, who will Do Absolutely ANYTHING to stack the Cards in his FAVOR, REAGARDLESS of the CONSEQUENCES.

    JOE LIEBERMAN: WHO WOULD YOU WANT IN A WAR OR SECURITY CRISIS ? SOMETHING BIG HAS HAPPENED DURING THE FIRST YEAR OF A NEW PRESIDENT, WE NEED SOMEONE THAT CAN "HANDLE SUCH A CRISIS"...

    RESPONSE: AN DO WHAT ?

    START A NUCLEAR WAR WITH (RUSSIA) THE NATION WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST, IF NOT THE LARGEST, STOCKPILE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS...GIVE ME OBAMA.

    JOHN MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN: IF A WAR WERE TO OCCUR, BEFORE THE ELECTION OR DURING THE ELECTION, IT WOULD BENEFIT "JOHNMCCAIN"

    THIS WHOLE THING IS A POORLY EXECUTED PLAN, TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE AN IT STINKS TO THE LOWEST OF LEVELS....

    STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE BOWELS OF HELL !!!

    JOHN MCCAIN IS A NUT...A BONAFIDE, CERTIFIDE AND QUALIFIED.... NUT !!!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/19/2008 4:26:58 PM

    THIS COUNTRY DEPENDS ON IRAQ, SAUDIA ARABIA, THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, KUWAIT, IRAQ AND OTHER ARABIC COUNTRIES FOR THIER OIL...ALSO RUSSIAN AND VENEZUELA OIL TOO.

    BUSH JR. HAS AN OVER 25 YEAR RELATIONSHIP, WITH THE (BIN LADEN FAMILIY) BUSH SR. THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, HAD OSAMA BIN LADEN CIA TRAINED...

    BY THE WAY, IT WAS BUSH JR. THAT GATHERED ALL THE SAUDI ROYALS (BUSH FAMILIY FRIENDS) AND ALSO THE BIN LADEN FAMILIES AND HAD THEM FBI FLOWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY& BACK TO THE SAFETY OF SAUDIA ARABIA.

    HELL AS FAR AS WE KNOW, OSAMA BIN LADEN, IS MAXING & RELAXING IN SAUDIA ARABIA OR THE UNITED ARAB EMITARES AND LAUGHING AT ALL OF THIS !!

    GEORGE W. BUSH JR. COULD HAVE HELD ALL OF THEM INDEFINITELY OR UNTIL OSAMA'S CAPTURE OR SURRENDER...

    HE COULD'VE USED THEM ALL AS BAIT...

    BUT HE DID NOT !!

    BIG NOTE: ON HIS TOUR, OBAMA NEVER TRAVELED TO SAUDI ARABIA OR THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES...HE KNOWS THOSE TWO NATIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR (PILOTING THE 911 PLANES) NOT IRAQ !!!

    JORDAN IS A USA ALLY OF SORTS, KUWAIT IS ALSO AN UN-OFFICIAL COLONY OF THE USA...

    SO TRY TO SCARE THE WORLD WITH THE FACTS LAID OUT...

    LAST NOTE: THE BUSH 25 YEAR FAMILY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BIN LADENS STILL EXIST...

    SORRY THATS ELITISM, POLITICS AND CAPITALISM IN ACTION, FOR YA.

  • Posted By: cryals @ 08/19/2008 3:26:56 PM

    I can stand the mud slinging when it is based on facts, but when candidates tell outright lies that are totally based on his or her desire to win a campaign, that should warn the public about the individual's ability to fulfill promises and to honor the laws of the land. It illustrates the true character of the individual. McCain is proving himself not to be a person that we would want to stand between us and the destruction of our country. He is a person that will continue the same old politics that we have come to abhor, and he is a person that will support government having control over the female body!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/19/2008 4:18:44 PM

      Obama told several fundamental lies during the campaign, not just embellishments of the truth. Not to knock Obama, but if you don't want to vote for a candidate who lies, you will never vote again

    • Posted By: stricp @ 08/19/2008 3:46:03 PM

      Yeah. The fact that he's pointing out valid reasons why Obama cannot be trusted to run this country disqualifies him. McCain feels that Obama cannot be president due to his inexperience, liberalism, empty rhetoric, bad ideas and lifetime associations with gutter dwellers like Ayers and Wright. That stance alone tells us more about his character than the fact that he's spent a lifetime in pain and disabled due to his service to this country and his selfless desire to see his fellow prisoners released ahead of him. And Obama's done what that compares with just this ONE aspect of McCain's life? In fact, name for us one thing that Obama has done that has served ANYONE not named Barack Obama.

  • Posted By: AlesterP @ 08/19/2008 4:03:23 PM

    What does anyone really expect from the McCain camp? McCain and his supporters are running scared. And, when you're afraid most people do any and everything...you lie and you become convinced that it's all right to lie, because you're protecting yourself. You become mean spirited...and you convince yourself that it's alright to be mean, because you're protecting yourself. If there are some voters who really can't see that McCain is running scared, and can't realize that McCain is using the politics of fear and they go to the polls on Election Day and vote for McCain....then they deserve what they get. Anytime you do the same thing (vote Repulican) over and over again, and expect a different result (that Republican's really give a darn about middle class Americans)...that's insanity.

  • Posted By: newsconsumer @ 08/19/2008 4:01:11 PM

    Bush was lying about irak to have his war.
    How can we trust a candidate that's lying all the time?
    "country First"
    But keep in mind: YOU ARE THE COUNTRY

  • Posted By: cryals @ 08/19/2008 3:58:54 PM

    Most of us can stand mudslinging when it is based on fact, but when the candidate spews and supports and outright lie devoid of any supporting truths, just to further their own ambitions, then it demonstrates the character of the individual. It not only shows that they have no respect for the truth, but they have no respect for the people whom they are promising to serve. McCain has shown us over the course of the last few months, that he not only has no respect for his fellow countrymen, but he is interested in serving his needs, not the public's needs. During the course of his campaigning, he has demonstrated that he "forgetful," he has demonstrated that he is " combative," and he has demonstrated that he can " lie."

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 08/19/2008 3:55:40 PM

    You selfish Arab c*ck suckin Republican wimps cannot fool America again.
    Most of McCain's money comes from Arab financiers and oil companies
    His top fundraiser says
    "I have a lot of Arab business partners. I do a lot of business in the Middle East. I've got a lot of friends," Sargeant said in a telephone interview yesterday. "I ask my friends to support candidates that I think are worthy of supporting. They usually come through for me."
    Bundler Collects From Unlikely Donors
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080602485.html

    Jordanian businessman linked to McCain donations
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/07/america/mccain.php

    McCain is a gambler who calls his wife a C*nt and volunteers her for wet t-*** contests to get a few contests
    http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/mccain-in-the-membrane/
    McCain has a severe gambling problem
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/07/06/john-mccain-s-gambling-problem.aspx
    Not to mention cheating on both his wives
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
    Only pathetic c*ck suckin Republicans like you can call this guy a patriot. We all know you gay haters are the biggest c*ck suckers like Larry Craig.

  • Posted By: deeber @ 08/19/2008 3:50:58 PM

    Can someone please explain what exactly the relationship between factcheck.org and MSNBC is? Factcheck.org has always seemed pretty reliable and fair to me. (Which is why I find this article so ridiculous since there is a pretty even amount of "smearing" going on according to the website).

  • Posted By: Lindaca @ 08/19/2008 3:47:10 PM

    I agree that the smears of Obama go too far. The lies about his tax plan drive me crazy. McCain seems to have to make up lies because he really has no plan of his own, except perhaps to bomb, bomb bomb Iran. His drill, drill, drill is a political ploy that will only get us a 3 cent reduction in 10 years. That is an economic plan? Tax the middle class, give corps tax breadks. The media not sying it is McCain making the negative ads is outrageous. breaks a

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 08/19/2008 3:19:46 PM

    The definition of negative campaigning at ObamaWeek seems to be,as was the case in the primaries, as follows; When practiced by Obama, it is a sober discussion of the "issues" and "suitability for office" of his opponent. when practiced by an opponent , it is a "distraction" from the important business of electing Obama and a "smear". No wonder the public has the MSM number on this election

    • Posted By: deeber @ 08/19/2008 3:46:13 PM

      Seriously, this article is ridiculous. Alter attempts to show that McCain is doing more "smearing" than Obama, but the website he refers to doesn't even show that. Go to www.factcheck.org and see for yourselves. Its almost as if Alter didn't even read the whole page - just selected a few that make McCain look bad.

  • Posted By: Lindaca @ 08/19/2008 3:45:08 PM

    I agree that the smears of Obama go too far. The lies about his tax plan drive me crazy. McCain seems to have to make up lies because he really has no plan of his own, except perhaps to bomb, bomb bomb Iran. His drill, drill, drill is a political ploy that will only get us a 3 cent reduction in 10 years. That is an economic plan? Tax the middle class, give corps tax breadks. The media not sying it is McCain making the negative ads is outrageous. breaks a

  • Posted By: Lindaca @ 08/19/2008 3:44:16 PM

    I agree that the smears of Obama go too far. The lies about his tax plan drive me crazy. McCain seems to have to make up lies because he really has no plan of his own, except perhaps to bomb, bomb bomb Iran. His drill, drill, drill is a political ploy that will only get us a 3 cent reduction in 10 years. That is an economic plan? Tax the middle class, give corps tax breadks. The media not sying it is McCain making the negative ads is outrageous. breaks a

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 08/19/2008 3:41:23 PM

    McCain is worse than Bush because he is a gambler who calls his wife a c8nt and most of his funding comes from Arab financiers. This guy has more than a 40% lead in the polls? Shame on America.

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