Bush has killed the military and the recruitment process and McCain will bring the Draft back to force people to do his killing for him. But I have no doubt that many of those McCain supporters ratcheting up their lies and spewing their hate will gladly grab up their guns and run to the frontlines. HR, Jose, News, Sportlock, Mikestone (aka HR) and all other war lovers get ready for the knock on your door. And don't complain when they do.
The Smear Gap
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/21/2008 8:15:18 AM
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/21/2008 7:55:45 AM
These are McCain's words in 2002. For all of you that don't see through the mud that McCain slings, or all the lies that he has spewed, read it for yourself.
"I didn't decide to run for President to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run campaign as if it was some grand act of patriotism.
I wanted to be President because it had become my ambition to become President.
I was 62 yold when I made the decision and I thought it was my one shot at the prize."
Again I say, McCain just wants the title, not the responsibilities.
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Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/21/2008 7:47:33 AM
The fact about smear tactics and negative advertizing is they work.
Some 30 to 40 % of voters will go to the polls just barely aware of the candidates party affiliation.
They will cast a vote based on a few negative ads that happened to come their way believing they are making an intelligent choice.
The Republicans know this all too well, Rush Limbaugh didn't get his 400 million dollar contract for nothing.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 6:55:10 PM
The National Review......Wednesday, August 20, 2008
The Seminal Question Regarding Obama and Born-Alive [Peter Kirsanow]
Even if one accepts any one of Obama's (four and counting) explanations for his vote against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, his position remains problematic, if not untenable. Consider:
Obama sits through testimony that babies born alive after an unsuccessful abortion are left to die alone in a utility closet. The babies are provided neither comfort, care, nor sustenance during their brief lives. When this practice was brought to public attention horrified citizens petitioned their legislators to address the matter. Proposed legislation is drafted.
Obama examines the draft of the Born-Alive Act and declares it deficient. Obama maintains that he would vote for the legislation if it did not curtail or derogate extant abortion rights.
Remedying the alleged defect in the draft legislation is not a difficult task. It requires merely the insertion of a "neutrality clause" that says, in effect, "this legislation won't affect existing abortion rights."
Obama, lecturer in constitutional law at the prestigious University of Chicago Law School, former Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review and undoubtedly the one most qualified in the entire Illinois state legislature to address the issue lifts not one finger to remedy the alleged defect in the draft.
Instead, when the draft is amended to include the neutrality language, Obama votes against it.
Obama is the agent of change and compassion. He can heal the planet and lower the oceans. By stating that he would've voted for the bill had it contained the neutrality clause, he conveys that he supports the principles of the Born-Alive Act. Yet he takes no action whatsoever to make it happen.
Therefore, even if we accept any one of Obama's explanations regarding his vote against Born-Alive, we're holding him to an incredibly low standard for someone who intends to lead the nation. If he supports the principle of Born-Alive, the question isn't why he voted against it ??? the question should be, "Sen. Obama, given your education, skills and background why didn't you take the relatively simple step of amending the draft so that the bill would work?" Isn't that what we expect from a leader?
Obama voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois state legislature. Why did he rouse himself to vote "No" on this one?
Obama has found time to ponder the habeas rights of foreign terrorists but no time to ponder the rights of babies born alive? Is it that far above his pay grade?
Hussein was willing to trade newborn lives for $$$ and votes from Planned Parenthood....which was founded for the express purpose of killing black babies. NOW WHO IS THE RACIST. He calls himself black, but helps spread genocide against African-Americans.
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Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/21/2008 7:39:06 AM
Don't be stupid. There was no trading of lives for votes.
There was no legislation about utility closets.
The only legislation that was there was about whether a mother and doctor should decide the viability of a fetus just born, or whether it should be legislated as any that moves or has a vital sign. That's all the legislation was. There were no babies on death row or anything like that.
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/20/2008 7:01:22 PM
Very distrubing. Left alone to die in a utility closet? I think I'm gonna puke.
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Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/21/2008 7:33:15 AM
Don't be an idiot! There was no legislation about utility closets and babies.
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Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/20/2008 9:06:58 PM
You SHOULD be disturbed because, if this story was true --- and I very much doubt it -- the medical personnel and the hospital could be charged under Illinois law which requires physicians to provide medical care to infants born alive, even in an abortion attempt. Anyone who witnessed such a thing is duty bound to report it to the civil authorities and to the relevant professional boards. Since none of these reports were apparently made for an act that was so clearly against the law, my assumption is that it never took place -- or that the person who insists on "reporting" it here is as culpable as anyone at that hospital for not stepping in to ensure that Illinois law was upheld. In fact, however, I suspect that this is one of those over-emotional,, over-heated, completely bogus uband legends that the anti-abortion forces always trot out to make a point.
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Posted By: loriw @ 08/21/2008 12:00:19 AM
My understanding is that a nurse was a whistle blower when the doctor/abortionist did not provide care to at least one if not two cases where the baby survived the abortion.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/21/2008 12:27:41 AM
That is correct lori.....she also testified on multiple occasions to the Illinois State Legislature and to Hussein's committee. She was a guest on Hannity and Combs tonight. This is hurting Hussein bad already, and a firestorm is brewing. Hannity said tonight, he has a tape of Obama, that will prove he has been intentionally lying all along, about the situation.
Hussein is trying damage control. It is not working.
NOBAMA!!!
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 8:43:03 PM
The disturbing part that the only true words in National Review are the words I copied and pasted. If you have proof of what Holly has noted directly from the National Review, please share. Thanks!
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:34:26 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODYxYTRmZDU4NWM2N2ZiNTE5M2IyOTZmYTBiNzZmNzk=
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 8:37:58 PM
Obama's Vulnerability on Born-Alive [Peter Kirsanow]
Ramesh asks, "How big a vulnerability is [Obama's Born-Alive vote] for Obama?"
I submit that it's a tremendous vulnerability, as evidenced by the reaction of Democrats noted by Peter Wehner below. In fact, there are two vulnerabilities, each potentially devastating. These vulnerabilities, admittedly, are somewhat contingent on the behavior of the mainstream media.
So far, it appears major media is behaving as we've come to expect: ignore, confuse, dismiss. How successful this obfuscation will be given the profound toxicity of the issue and the ubiquity of alternate media is difficult to gauge.
Last month I mentioned that some Ohio politicos told me that focus group data showed the Born-Alive issue to be highly radioactive. Almost no one had heard about it but when told the specifics the reactions were nearly universal: brief incredulity followed by revulsion. This shouldn't be surprising and it should hold for most demographics ??? most folks have an unfavorable visceral reaction to someone who has, shall we say, an opportunity to help vulnerable babies but declines to do so.
I'm unaware of any recent focus group or polling data on the matter but this is such a gut issue that such data may be superfluous. Do you know anyone who would vote the same way as Obama? Not one member of the senate did. That kind of uniformity on a substantive issue is stunning ??? and an ominous barometer for Obama.
The second vulnerability is the cover-up. Obama's gymnastics on this issue are breathtaking. He has issued at least four explanations for his vote. The explanations are either demonstrably false, inconsistent with the other explanations and/or flatly nonsensical. The axiom is that the cover-up is always worse than the act ??? at least if the press doesn't like you to begin with. The press may be reluctant to cover this, but Obama has exposed himself in a way that could cause enormous damage to his campaign's narrative; transcendent figures normally avoid giving the appearance of callously ignoring the most vulnerable among us.
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Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/21/2008 7:25:59 AM
You're misrepresenting the issue, so alot of people would be appalled at your portrayal of the issue.
You pretend to be talking about healthy babies. You conjure the image of a baby that is healthy just sitting there all cute and cudly just smiling up at a menacing doctor that runs around looking for unsuspecting babies to kill.
Unfortunately that isn't what you are talking about. What you are really talking about is the mothers right to make decisions about the health of herself and her unborn baby.
You are talking about situations where a baby maybe born without a skull. You are talking about situations where a baby may be born a vegetable. You are talking about situations where that mother and the baby may not qualify for healthcare to address related issues.
You are talking about who makes the choices about quality of life. Obama does not want babies to die. He isn't running around saying yes kill that one or this one. He's talking about who makes the decisions.
Anybody who runs around saying that he wants to kill babies is a liar. In that case you are misrepresenting the legislation. There was no legislation that said babies who are born alive shall have their throat slit. There just wasn't. Nor did the legislation have anything to do with how babies are killed or not killed.
The only thing the legislation did was legislate whether a fetus is treated as viable after birth as being vital signs or movement regardless of the stage of development or quality of life; essentially removing the doctor or the mother from that decision. Any attempt to talk about healthy babies having their throats slit has nothing to do with it..
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 8:40:47 PM
So below I have the article directly from National Review, where are you getting the rest of your gibberish? Or is this your opinion of what he wrote? 1+1 = 3 so far, not a good sign.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:31:51 PM
hey markymark...good try, but NO CIGAR....you need to work on your research skills. Here is the link....you should also read Obama Nation. Corsi (HARVARD PhD by the way..I know libs love PhD.s) has direct transcripts from Illinois Senate floor. AND Sean Hannity has obtained an audio tape that he will release this week that, in his words....will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Obama has been knowingly lying about this issue. I can't wait. BUT...here is your link....................
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODYxYTRmZDU4NWM2N2ZiNTE5M2IyOTZmYTBiNzZmNzk=
BTW ......2+2=4...unless you are Hussein Obama...then it depends which answer will garner the most $$$ and votes.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/21/2008 1:59:13 AM
Thank you for the link. I actually have very good research skills. I missed this one and appreciate your assistance.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 8:21:02 PM
Where is the link to this? I went to the National Review and could not find your article, thanks!
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:33:32 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODYxYTRmZDU4NWM2N2ZiNTE5M2IyOTZmYTBiNzZmNzk=
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: scoopsal @ 08/20/2008 1:28:36 PM
Barack Obama Commander in Chief...has a great ring to it. After the man who has represented us for nearly a decade finally someone I can be proud to have represent me abroad. Whose soundbites and press conferences will not be shameful, painful to watch, and above all, not a dangerous combination of arrogant and ignorant.
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Posted By: Skallywag @ 08/20/2008 2:47:23 PM
His troops would follw him anywhere, but only out of morbid curiosity.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/21/2008 6:56:45 AM
The military will follow whomever is the Commander-in-chief. After the elections, we have a job to do and we have taken an oath to obey the orders of the president of the U.S.
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Posted By: Skallywag @ 08/21/2008 7:17:03 AM
Yes, the troops will follow, as they are trained to do. They will also be full of doubt and trepidation at the lack of experience and leadership in the alleged "CinC" if BHO is elected. If I was still on active duty I would submit my letter of retirement the day after the election. My retirement certificate is signed by Bill CLinton, Not GWB - thank God. Remember, the troops can vote too, many may vote against BHO because the military knows the lack of leadership ability when they see it. Even the newest boot camp graduate knows he or she needs a good leader to survive in a combat environment. A vote for BHO is a vote for chaos in leadership. Conversly, a vote for MCC is a vote for complacency in leadership. He has military experience and flew combat missions over Vietnam. Thank him for his service, but from all outward appearances, he didn't gain much leadership experience. He understands leadership better than BHO, but that's is about all. Neitehr one of these men has the leadership ability to lead this country during a time of global conflict. They will rely heavily upon the Chiefs of staff and other advisors. Too many times, each man will say "General, what should I do?" Maybe the general should run for POTUS, not MCC or BHO.
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/20/2008 2:27:26 PM
Do yourself a favor. Go to youtube and search Obama without a teleprompter. It's quite the opposite of what you may think. Unfortunately, he will not be afforded a teleprompter in these discussion with terrorist states he believes in. How did that work out in Iran anyway? GOD HELP US!!!!!!!
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/20/2008 2:49:16 PM
He doesn't "believe in" terrorist states, he just wants to attempt diplomacy first, which could save the lives of American soldiers. Diplomacy doesn't mean "bow to your enemy" - Kennedy used diplomatic threats and a standoff to end the Cuban missile crisis. It's frequently every bit as much a war as wars that involve munitions - but without the loss of life. And Obama's indicated he's perfectly well able to use military force if diplomacy fails, but you've mischaracterized his words in order to make him appear weak.
Are you the kind of person who'd send an eighteen-year-old to war without even trying a diplomatic solution first? I wish you could talk to the young soldier I met in Los Angeles who'd lost his right hand to a roadside bomb in Iraq and now deeply wondered why he'd ever been sent there in the first place.-
Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/20/2008 7:12:30 PM
Pres. Kennedy did not use 'diplomatic threats' in the Cuban missile crisis. He threw up a blockade of American warships around Cuba and dared Kruschev to defy them. The world teetered on the brink of nuclear war for a few days and much to Pres. Kennedy and the USA's relief, Nikita Kruschev turned back. Pres. Kennedy and the USA were lucky that time.
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/20/2008 2:56:04 PM
Well how misleading was it when Iran declared it a victory for Iran that the USA showed up for the peace talks that went absolutely nowhere. Oh except to empower Iran and give them a sense of victory. Was that the outcome we were trying for? I believe the talks could work in certain cases, however with Obama's supposive understanding of everyones religion in the world he should have known better. A mistake is a mistake. Even if it wasn't Bush or a Republican.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/20/2008 6:40:33 PM
McCain supporters are willing to put up with more war, more soldiers' deaths, higher inflation, higher gas prices, more mortgage crises. McCain can't reach across the aisle because his own people are against him. He has no stance that benefits anyone. What makes you think McCain will be the one to bring us out of this nightmare we're in. If anything we'll be worse off. If that's what you want then fine.
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/20/2008 7:06:19 PM
I'll bet you if Obama could end all wars, make the mortgage crisis go away, and lower gas prices now, every republican on earth would vote for him. However, he can't, he doesn't have a plan to address anything in his term in office. Sure 10-15 yrs is good 10-15 yrs from now, but we need relief now. I have seen the example of hope and change and honestly, overinflating my tires isn't going to cut it.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/21/2008 6:45:14 AM
Your ignorance on Obama's plans make me pity you, the information is out there, but you continue to not do any research on it, you just say he has no plans. His plans make much more sense than McCain's, whos only plans are to continue the policies of Bush that has led us to the problems we are in now. CHANGE is something our country desperatly needs and we need it now.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 9:27:30 PM
The problem is regardless of whom is elected, the crisis that all Americans face cannot be solved in a short term range. Sure there will be some types of programs that congress will pass and the president will be happy to sign resulting in another band-aid that will not fix the deep rooted problems of our country. I need not repeat the list of problems our country has because it has been cited and reviewed so many times in various blogs.
Our next congress and president have to tackle very serious issues. We cannot allow congress and the next president to continue the same ways as they have over the last eight years. Unfortunately, you are going to have to think 10-15 yrs out or more, because of the amount of damage done regardless if you think it was the president or congress, or both. Furthermore, there are no overnight solutions no matter where you sit in the political spectrum or your party affiliation. The amount of issues that are bubbling at the surface are ready to boil over.
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Posted By: vakosh @ 08/20/2008 9:10:57 PM
Baby boo boo has to stop crying and get to work. Life isn't fair and neither are politics. You boomers need to grow up and face reality. He is not running for Miss America, he is running for PRESIDENT. If you think this is bad, you better get yourself some Lithium and quick, because it is about to get UGLY.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/21/2008 6:39:15 AM
The presidential race should be about the issues, not how much you can smear your opponent. I have to give it to the repugnants, they have perfected this type of campaigning and have brought our election process to new lows. Of course the smear and the scar tactics are the only thing the repugnants can run on because on the issues they fail miserably.
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Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/21/2008 6:35:27 AM
We all know it is about to get ugly! Even Obama knows that. He was alive in 2004 and 2000. What the Republicans are doing now isn't any different than it was then. It's even almost word for word the same.
None of that is news!
And you're right, politics is not fair. But, then that is the point. It is exactly the point that McCain lies in every ad. That he shows respect to no one who gets in his way. He's dishonest and a liar.
McCain is running as a schoolyard bully; mocking and poking fun at every turn.
He does this to make up for his lack of intelligence or substance.
As long as you want a liar and a cheat in office, that's what you are going to get, and there is nothing wrong with Obama pointing that out. Sure politics is not fair, but then maybe THAT is part of the problem!
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Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/20/2008 10:59:16 PM
Use of the term "boomers" is interesting, but confusing. McCain is too old to be a boomer; Obama is too young. Boomers were born between 1946 and 1960.. I thought the female boomers were supposed to be in Hillary's camp. Are female boomers now Obama supporters -- or have they stubbornly marched off to McCain headquarters regardless of his position on reproductive rights? Of course, I'm a female boomer and I threw my lot in with Obama pretty early in the game; but, am I typical? Not sure about the male variety. Are 50ish guys generally for Obama or McCain? I really don't know. The initial support for Obama came from the under 45 contingent -- but they're not boomers. I guess I'm confused. Which is the"boomer" candidate? I wonder if even the previous poster knows.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/21/2008 2:58:54 AM
I am a boomer, and do have a four year college degree and could not understand what the heck the poster above you was saying either.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 9:31:50 PM
Are you talking about McCain or Obama or both? Sounds like your talking about both.
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Posted By: mikestone @ 08/20/2008 10:04:15 PM
Hey chindognyc, the reason why Obama will not become the next President is because he is black, case closed. He will never understand us white blue collar workers. people will say that they will vote for him but the white race will never vote for him. i won't vote for him because he just don't understand my people. you need to understand that you can put the truth up all you want, no white person will vote for him and i will support my people.
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/21/2008 6:35:34 AM
As a white person, I will support my country. A country made up of more than just white people.
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Posted By: metzlerd @ 08/21/2008 6:24:55 AM
You are part of the problem then.
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Posted By: Mimi13 @ 08/20/2008 10:43:39 PM
So you think a guy with a trophy wife, 10 homes, a closet full of $500 shoes and monthly credit card bills of $250,000 understands guys like you? If that's true, you must be living the good life, too, my lucky friend. Hope you were kinder to your first wife than McCain was to his.
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/20/2008 10:15:07 PM
I believe that America has moved past their hatred for each other. We view people as people, not skin color. You though are just a racist and I would rather loose a race then take a vote from people who hate a person because of his skin. You have no place on this planet sir and really need help. This is the only time I will write you because I don't talk to racist people.
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Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 08/19/2008 5:34:24 PM
INTERVIEWER: So, Senator Obama, what color is the sky?
OBAMA: Well, I would have to know what kind of day it is outside in order to answer that question.
INTERVIEWER: Okay, fair enough, Senator. Now, tell me, what color is grass?
OBAMA: Well, that would also depend on what time of the year it is.
INTERVIEWER: Hmmmm...alright, then. Senator, tell me, what is your favorite color?
OBAMA: Well, that would depend on what day it is...one day I might like blue, the next it might be red...I just never know on any given day what it will be.
INTERVIEWER: Well, thank you, Senator Obama. This has been a most informative interview and I'm sure will give the voting public much to think about.-
Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 6:16:49 PM
. . . Too funny. ; - D
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Posted By: OH-IO for Obama @ 08/19/2008 7:44:59 PM
Of course sharenews dug that one. You can use real, serious and important questions that mccain has already answered in this campaign and get complete and total opposites depending on whether it was before 2007 or after, i.e:
interviewer (2000): mccain't, do you support a woman's right to choose?
mccain (2000): I personally believe that life begins at conception, but I don't think that the gov't should criminalize women and their dr's for the procedure
mccain't (2008): I'm a pro-lifer, I'll appoint pro-life judges and I'll be a pro-life candidate!
interviewer (2000): mccain't, do you support off-shore drilling?
mccain (2000): No. We need to invest in clean, renewable energy for the future
(mccain't (2008): We need to drill here, drill now, drill there, drill everywhere!
interviewer (2003): mccain't, do you support the president's push for tax breaks for the wealthy?
mccain (2003): I don't, I think it's irresponsible during a time of war to give tax breaks. It's something we have never done during a time of war.
mccain't (2008): I'm going to continue the bush tax cuts and give another $317 billion in breaks to companies and wealthy people, or as I like to call them, MY base.
Mccain't, flip flopping you can count on - "I'm mccain't do it at this age and I approve this message".-
Posted By: sharenews @ 08/19/2008 9:07:59 PM
Relax OH-IO, they both flip flop; but the guy that flip flops AND has an insignificant amount of experience and self-led accomplishments in Washington (4yrs, with two of those yrs campaigning) is too green for me to vote for. We need a man of substance. That man is McCain.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 3:51:15 AM
Sen. Obama is a quick study. Feel free to underestimate Sen. Obama if it makes you feel better.
As I recall, that's what the Clintons did. They know better now.
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/19/2008 9:18:57 PM
Don't forget the good one that McCain said,
Al Qada is our friend, Oh, thanks Lieberman for telling me that they are our enemy.
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Posted By: TGTTEO @ 08/20/2008 2:56:47 PM
A John McCain presidency is bad news for the world at large and the US in particular. However, an Obama presidency is worse. Here is why. Like George W Bush, Obama is a likeable person. Of course it depends on which side of the divide you are on. Unfortunately, just like George W Bush, Obama is surrounding himself with bad advisers. That???s why he is flip flopping a lot lately. You ask 10 people what they think and they will tell you 10 different things.
Visiting Iraq and Afghanistan with a fixed mind is one thing but making a 'world tour' is quite another. By the way Obama's world is rather small, just Germany, France and Britain. (Before Obama's fans attack me on this, he actually referred to it as a world tour on a CNN program. hosted by the very adoring Suzanne Malveaux.
Next to Nicholas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel and Gordon Brown, Obama looks like a young man still wet behind his ears. Although he tried in his body language during press conferences to show dominance, the old hands of Merkel, Sarkozy and Brown easily put him in his place, a first term senator who tries to jump the queue.
Of course going to war in Iraq was a bad idea, but once you break it you have to fix it before you leave. Naturally the Iraqi PM wants US troops to leave; after all he is a Shiite and an ally of Iran. How naive can Obama be?
OBAMA'S STAND ON NAFTA IS POLITICAL POSTURING SAYS HIS TOP ECONOMIC ADVISER. HIS STAND ON IRAQ IS POLITICAL POSTURING SAYS HIS TOP POLITICAL ADVISER. AND HIS MESSAGE OF CHANGE IS POLITICAL POSTURING SAYS HIS PASTOR.............. WHAT KIND OF A PERSON IS OBAMA?
Soon the African Americans and the young voters will see the real Obama. A divisive and a fip flopping president who, like George W Bush is set to CHANGE to world. Again!
Maybe it???s better the devil you know than the devil you don???t.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 3:34:26 AM
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Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 08/20/2008 4:11:50 PM
I had full intensions of voting Democrat for the first time this year. My decision to again vote Republican is right inline with your post. You hit the nail on the head. Nice post
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 10:39:13 AM
Obama has the integrity to lead the United States and re-establish its credentials as a nation of anticipation of hopes and dreams being fulfilled. Obama has the credentials established with Congress to pass laws that will benefit every American as well as fast track programs and policies to ensure prosperity. Obama and the Congress will ensure the Health Care system will have the support and firm foundation to grow and become more reliable. Obama and the Congress will work together to bring the economy back to its former glory. Obama and the Congress will work diligently to restore the infrastructure of America, its dream of a better living, and better society.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 10:43:54 AM
INTEGRETY....he endorses killing newborns and refuses to supply a real birth certificate. He distorts his heritage. He refuses to acknowledge his associations with the scum of our society. He can't stand firm on any major issue. He is a crook and a fraud. And you promote his INTEGRITY??? PLEASE....
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 2:43:41 AM
Mental.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 11:20:03 AM
Still spewing lies eh? Baby killer the best you got?
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 11:35:40 AM
Although HR & I disagree on many issues, this isn't one of them. If you want facts, including Obama's official record on IL's Born Alive Infant Protection Act (including transcripts of his verbal opposition) then read the story below.
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html-
Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 11:44:37 AM
Hey...I thought you might be on here. BTW....the nurse who held the "born-alive" aborted baby for 45 minutes, and testified before Hussein's committee, is going to reveal the truth tonight.......................
........................"Hannity and Kook" FOX NEWS 9:00 P.M........this is an election changing revelation, for the False One. His handlers are scrambling to do pre-damage control. Not going to work though.
BTW again...what do you mean we disagree on many issues.....I 'm smarter than that. My baby is rarely incorrect.
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 11:50:36 AM
I doubt I'll watch it. It's too sad and depressing. You know we disagree on issues. We always have. That's what makes our lives interesting. Debate keeps the fires burning!
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 12:04:34 PM
Like I said, none o youse have any arguments with merit. Stay on the porch. =)
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 12:16:03 PM
Are you saying there's no merit to Obama's own voting record? You are lame.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 12:22:23 PM
Are you referring to a bill talking about how Senator's kill babies? Is this asking a true question to morality? Kick your soap box over. Anyone that kills a baby are likely those that fly warplanes (McCain) and shoot the innocent. Stop lying about Senators killing babies, that's not what the bill states. You and your bff HR can get a room together if that makes you feel better about yourself.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 12:31:21 PM
puffpuff...we got a HOUSE and BABIES together. Hussein is Planned Parenthood 's stooge. He does as he is told. And they are 40,000,000 taxpayer murdered babies strong, with a great preference for black babies. They have a special..."we kill minorities program". Quite an endorsement, your guy has.
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 12:46:08 PM
Your statement of racial indiscretion knows no bounds my friend. Like I said the two o youse need a room. =)
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 1:03:12 PM
MY racial indiscretion???? Planned Parenthood was the one running the ..."Your contributions guaranteed to kill a black child" program. It is recorded and easily verified. The organization was founded by radically racist individuals.. The intention was to slow down black births FROM ITS BEGINNING.
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 12:31:46 PM
Hey A$$, copy and paste the link and read the story. It's FACT not fiction. Btw, I'm not on a soap box. I'm entitled to my opinion, just like you. Are you afraid to read this story or just ashamed?
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 12:21:02 PM
throwing live newborns in the garbage has no merit for you??? That is very sad,
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 12:08:04 PM
Like I always tell you....It is a Gift of The Spirit. When I listen closely....I'm told the truth. But you research exceptionally well, and do a great job of verification. Plus your really nice to look at. Ever notice how nasty ugly most left-wing liberal women are??? Andrea Mitchell jumps to mind.
We do work well together, don't we???
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 12:17:01 PM
I don't think Andrea's ugly.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 12:26:52 PM
HUH???? Take it from a man who knows what he is saying. She is Bow-Wow. Eleanor Clift and the chubby little, ILOVEBARACK news pundit...I never remember her name. Heck....the #1 DemDog herself. MicHELLe. I hear Barry fell after her hard. Reminded him of his first boyfriend. BigBoned my ***.
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Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/19/2008 12:48:57 PM
A little harsh, don't you think? I'm signing off now-gotta leave in an hour to pick up F & C from school. Love ya & I'll talk to ya later.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/19/2008 11:52:14 AM
I think it is a fair description. Describes his values quite well. There are others, I could use, but I don't want to hog all the good ones.
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 11:38:13 AM
The only out of touch people I see, those that smear the Democratic Base, are those that are willing to suffer more years of poor economy, high gas prices, less wages, less jobs, jobs being sent overseas, big corporations continuing to reap gains from our pockets, wasting natural resources when there are alternative ways of producing them. That's what you want then vote for McCain, but I vote for change.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 2:42:05 AM
Andyears more war, which the nation cannot afford on any level.
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Posted By: m.nolan @ 08/19/2008 3:38:50 PM
55% of Americans think media bias is hurting fair elections more than big-money donations are. To that end, I'm sure Alter will next week address Obama's lies: like how he voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act (which every U.S Senator...liberal and conservative... voted for) and then lied and said he didn't vote against it. Remember the media "to-do" when Hillary lied about being in a firestorm at the Bosnia airport?...the MSM was all over that. What are the odds that they'll even report on his vote to kill babies BORN as a result of botched abortions, much less write columns about it? Slim to none. John McAin will be our next president even going up against a corrupt and biased media.
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Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/19/2008 4:17:26 PM
Alter and Olberman were first in line in the Hillary bashing during the primaries. If someone wants to write an objective article about McCain smearing Obama, go for it. But coming from Alter, it has very little credibility
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/19/2008 11:47:47 PM
So, Alter and Olberman smeared Clinton because they told her that she needs to cut the crap she was using in her campaign?
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Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/20/2008 11:07:43 AM
No, they were completely biased against her. Obama could do no wrong in their eyes, yet everything Hillary said or did was taken out of context and the crap was beaten out of her
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/20/2008 8:08:14 PM
Hillary didn't get enough pledged delegates and super delegates didn't want her. Can't blame Newsweek.
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Posted By: katvan @ 08/20/2008 10:22:42 PM
in case you haven't noticed - barry doesn't have enough pledged delegates and had the superdelegates wanted him he would have won the nomination. As is, he will be coronated. Superdelegates, not American voters, will decide this nomination. And the MSM/DNC are completely biased toward barry. It's been proven independently as regards Sen Clinton. Google for yourself. Who cares about McCain.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 2:37:28 AM
Sen. Obama earned his pledged delegates, The super delegates could have gone with Sen. Clinton but they preferred Sen. Obama.
If you don't like the system the Democrats use that's fine but Sen. Obama.did win. Sen Clinton had every advantage but one, i.e. she underestimated Sen. Obama's ability to run a superior campaign.
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Posted By: katvan @ 08/20/2008 4:41:39 PM
roger that. hysterical that alter thought he could get away with this article.
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Posted By: Pete Kent @ 08/19/2008 10:14:13 PM
Obama is a fake and a fraud and McCain's greastest national service will be peeling the bark off this man. If y'all think this is bad - -wait. We have not even heard about how Obama was a congregant in a church thaty preaches Black Liberation Theoloigy for over 20 years and olnly left when it became a political liability to him.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/19/2008 11:16:56 PM
To quote Prof. Harry Edwards: "If you are black in America, and aware, you live in a state of rage."
Rev. Wright is very aware. With his master's degree from Harvard, and even though he's widely respected in theological circles across America, he can't get through to bigoted Americans. No hope for Hannity's crowd.-
Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/20/2008 12:57:22 PM
Elizbeth,
This is a very insightful post. I completely understand Prof. Edward's statement, I sincerely make an effort everyday to not allow myself to be consumed by that particular anger. I live my life beyond it, and make sure that I never generalize an entire group/race of people as everyone is an individual. I love this country but I will not be party to her faults. There are a lot of Americans who NEED to have a target to feel better about themselves so those who look, believe and love differently from them are automatically suspect and in their world are in some way less than deserving of the same human rights as they enjoy.
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 2:18:57 AM
I appreciate your response.
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Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/20/2008 4:06:47 PM
his infamous comments about america were in response to our devastation of afghanistan in the 1980's and the fact we turned our backs on an entire country after they had fought off the ussr in a war solely funded and armed by the US. Then we hand their country over to the despotic taliban. I for one do not blame mr. wright for his comments, i agree whole heartidly.. shame on us
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Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 08/19/2008 10:18:06 PM
HAHAHA, too funny. You still on that Wright kick. You slow or sumfin? It's Convention time and you are probably the only person on the planet that is talking about that. Too funny.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:39:47 PM
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 20:43:03
Comment: The disturbing part that the only true words in National Review are the words I copied and pasted. If you have proof of what Holly has noted directly from the National Review, please share. Thanks!
Work on those research skills mark.....it would help you prevent being flim-flamed by crooks and frauds.
....http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODYxYTRmZDU4NWM2N2ZiNTE5M2IyOTZmYTBiNzZmNzk=
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/21/2008 2:10:06 AM
Thank you four times over, LOL. ;-)
The funny part and I am laughing and p.o. because I spent over two years perfecting my research skills as a student and being an expert on research because it is of necessity with the work I do. Oops on me, and .I happy you supplied the link. -
Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:51:36 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODYxYTRmZDU4NWM2N2ZiNTE5M2IyOTZmYTBiNzZmNzk=
All on one line...easier to paste.
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/21/2008 2:04:46 AM
Is there anything wrong with a strong educational funding program, universal health care. If their is something wrong with that, then lets all vote for McCain.
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Posted By: cooper1249 @ 08/20/2008 12:11:56 AM
The problem is, the MSM!!!! You guys wont report on McCains out right lies. Is the MSM afraid of McCain and the rest of the Republicans? It is pathetic the way you tip toe around him. McCain is a fraud and it is up to the MSM to report the truth about both canidates. I guess all of you in the MSM wants another BUSH, well good luck to you.
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Posted By: cencarnacion @ 08/20/2008 12:22:45 AM
Have you seen Keith Olbermann and his vile when it comes to McCain? He will not hesitate to expose McCain's lies if they are indeed lies. They are being careful lest they go the path of Dan Rather. Perhaps the lies that you allude to will not pass muster even with the Obama-friendly MSM.
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Posted By: dick kay @ 08/20/2008 8:03:31 AM
hello. olbermann has been in the tank since the beginning for obama. He hammered Sen Clinton like the fine misogynist he is. He waxed poetically yesterday about a reference to Goebbels and yet he seems to forgotten how he brought David Duke into the equation as concerning Sen Clinton. And how has Olbermann "served" our country? Working at ESPN?
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 2:00:05 AM
Keith's the real deal.
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Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/20/2008 11:02:25 AM
Olberman is in the tank for Obama and has been all along. He is a radical left wing elitist. He is not fit to be called a journalist, he is an Obama advocate
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Posted By: raddave @ 08/20/2008 12:39:08 AM
Keith Olberman ran down the millions of dollars for vets and the millitary that McCain voted against yesterday. To millions of dollars to upgrade the V.A. hospitals, to upgrade the National guard and reserve's equipment.
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Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/20/2008 8:11:36 AM
Ah, I love Keith Olberman. His shows are always hilarious yet true, and gotta love his rants!
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/20/2008 9:51:31 AM
He is the best. He puts the truth out there when it comes to John McCain.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 10:26:05 AM
Infanticide apparently doesn't play well with America. JUST THE BEGINNING. By the end of Sept., the election will be realistically over for Hussein..................
WASHINGTON - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/20/2008 2:23:53 PM
Obama supports abortion as a last resort ONLY and doesn't advocate it in any way, but he would indeed uphold Roe v. Wade. But you, on the other hand, have not only advocated the mass murder of babies but have exulted and taken pride and joy in it! Remember your comments calling to carpet-bomb Iran, Roller? Do you think there are no babies in Iran? Young children at play? Old men and women innocent of killing who want to enjoy their last years? You have called for bombing ALL of them without trial or remorse.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 4:09:08 PM
All right ninny aka Virgil...back to your lies. I never advocated carpet bombing Iran. I advocate blowing up their nuclear ambitions. If they try and retaliate against Israel with indiscriminate bombing...I do advocate Tehran being vanquished from earth. They are quite clear in their intentions to destroy Israel.
As for Hussein and abortion. QUIT LYING...He has been caught. Can't squirm out of it. I saw Bob Beckel almost have a stroke trying to spin it. It spun him.
As for Hussein's record on infanticide.....He voted PRESENT on the first vote to abolish it. He then demanded changes, in return for his support. He got it. The IDENTICAL bill to the Fed bill that passed unanimousily was then presented. He instead of supporting this bill as promised....VOTED NO, and demanded additional changes. Those changes were made. He was by them comittee chairman. It was about to be passed by comittee and he stopped it from being presented. He is now lying about it. BUT HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT.
This election is very near over. Only chance the DNC has at winning the White House now, is a Clinton coup. Your candidate is a crook and a fraud. His chance of becoming POTUS is very near 0%
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Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 08/21/2008 1:50:09 AM
Reagan, Bush, Sr. and Bush, Jr. in their combined 20 years in the White House did what to outlaw partial birth abortion? Killing a baby as it is being born by sticking scissors into the back of its neck is barbarsm in the extreme.
It boggles the mind how the American Medical Association can allow doctors across the nation to perform such a vile procedure. Any woman who allows this to be done to her baby as it's being born deserves a special place in hell.
You can't hang this on Sen. Obama.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/20/2008 2:33:09 PM
And by the way, I didn't mean to double-post. Newsweek's comment-board software told me that the first comment hadn't been posted, but clearly it had.
Still, there's some validity in repeating that you call Barack Obama a baby-killer but joyfully advocate genocide against a nation with plenty of babies - and pregnant women - in it. Any particular way you'd like to justify the body of a six-months-pregnant Iranian woman and her baby blown apart by an American carpet bomb? I guarantee it'll happen if anyone ever actually takes your advice about bombing the country.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 08/20/2008 10:54:38 AM
Have any of YOU SEEN A BABY that has SURVIVED A (PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION) ITS TERRIBLE !!!
It would do those of You MORALIST a SERVICE to SEE what that LOOKS LIKE 1ST HAND AN SEE THE DAMAGE DONE in order to UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.
OBAMA DID NOT MAKE THESE LAWS....
NOTE: THESE LAWS & MEDICAL PRACTICES HAVE BEEN LEGALIZED FOR (DECADES) AND BUSH IN HIS (8 YEARS) WAS A (PRO-CHOICE PRESIDENT)
BUSH, CHENEY, RICE AND THE MORAL MAJORITY RING WING REPUBLICAN SENATE & CONGRESS, DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING REAGDRING ABORTION, NOTHING TO RID THE USA OF THESE LEGAL MEDICAL PRACTICES AND NEITHER DID JOHN "SEMI-SENILE" MCCAIN... FOR 25 YEARS !!!
NOW HE'S PRO-LIFE...
WHEN HE'S BEEN PRO CHOICE OR DEAD AIR SILENT ON THE ABORTION ISSUE !!!
BIG NOTE: DURING HIS 25 YEARS AS A SENATOR, WHAT DID JOHN MCCAIN AND HIS MORAL PRESENCE DO ON THE ABORTION FRONT, TO STOP, CHANGE OR ERADICATE THESE LAWS AND LEGAL MEDICAL PRACTICES....
ANS: NOT A DAMN THING, THAT MEANS MCCAIN, HIS SO CALLED CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT BUSH JR, A (PRO-CHOICE PRESIDENT) AT THAT,
MCCAIN AN HIS MAJORITY MORAL MAJORITY, RIGHT WING SENATE & CONGRESS, DID (ABSOLUTELY NOTHING) TO ERADICATE THESE LAWS, DURING A TIME THAT THEY IN FACT HAD CONTROL...
AS WELL AS NIXON, CARTER, RONALD REAGAN AND BUSH SR, BILL CLINTON....NOTHING AT ALL !!
THE SO CALLED RIGHT WINGERS DID NOTHING, THAT MEANS THEY AGREED WITH THE LAW OF THE LAND AND ROE VS. WADE...
SIMPLE AN PLAIN, WITH NOWHERE TO RUN AND HIDE AND NO EXCUSES....PERIOD
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:56:17 AM
Hey Goober....spin it, turn it...shake it, bake it...hip it or hop it....doesn't matter. He is badly damaged. The lying about it (which his camp now acknowledges) hurts just as bad. I LOVE the way you say...He is now Pro-Life...Which issue has he NOT changed his stance on??? He is a crook and a fraud.
BTW...have I seen a born alive baby??? NO...have you? would you throw it in the trash?? For a will to live, so strong as to survive the trauma, you suggest just...LEAVE IT BE. IT WILL DIE SOON ENOUGH?? If so...YOU ARE A SICK F**K.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 08/20/2008 7:40:25 PM
UN-HOLY THAN ALL THE REST: YET THINKS HIMSELF "HOLY" YOU NEED TO REALIZE YOU ARE THE MOST UN-HOLY PERSON ON THIS BOARD AND JUST LIKE JOHN MCCAIN...
IT WILL NOT WORK...
YOUR UN-HOLINESS
YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE (KK, ARYAN, NAZI TYPES) THAT SEES YOUR WHITE WORLD CRUMBLING ALL AROUND YOU, BASED ON THE FACT, THAT YOU SEE A BI-RACIAL MAN AS A THREAT TO WHITE MALE DOMINANCE...
A SAD, SICK AND POLLUTED MIND
ITS KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE, NO MATTER HOW PATHETIC JOHN "SEMI-SENILE" MCCAIN IS....
AS LONG AS HE'S WHITE !!
JUST LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH JR...HE'S A GOOD OLE BOY, HE CAN F--K UP THE USA AN YOU'LL CHALK IT OFF AS ...DUBYA WAS LOOKING OUT FOR OUR INTEREST..
HA !!!!!
UN-HOLY ROLLER: "KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE, NO MATTER WHAT"
GOD THATS TOO DAMN DESPERATE FOR MY TASTE.
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Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/20/2008 2:20:29 PM
Obama may support pro-choice laws but is actually not in favor of abortion, and believes it should be an absolute last resort.
And I hate to break it to you, Roller, but remember when you advocated carpet-bombing Iran? Guess what? There are babies there, and children, and all sorts of other innocent people whom you've both called to murder and taken pleasure in the same. The Iranians love their children too - but you don't. You've advocated killing them all with not a single qualm to your conscience. -
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 10:42:01 AM
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama attracting 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 42%. When "leaners" are included, it's Obama 47% and McCain 46%. And Obama has never been behind McCain with Rasmussen polls.
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Posted By: News and Notes @ 08/20/2008 10:56:48 AM
Polls don't mean much, especially this early on. However in the current environment , the fact Obama isn;t up by double digits is a big problem for him.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/20/2008 11:49:28 AM
The polls are only a glimpse of voter sentiment. The significance is this.....Hussein's lead among ALL voting groups is dropping. Saddleback hurt. The infanticide issue is devastating. He is in a heap of trouble. L.A. Times had him with a 15 pt. last month. Last night it was down to 3. This is significant.
Looks like we have us a mohammed Dukakis.
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 12:20:44 PM
ROTFLMAO, Mohammed Dukakis, omg whats next, Mohammed HolyRoller ;-)
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/20/2008 10:52:25 AM
And finally I did a poll of all of my neighbors and friends who own dogs, cats, rodents, tropical fish, and ant farms. We all chipped in for a psychic to interview all the above listed animals, including humans, and the results drew the same conclusion every time a poll was conducted. Polls that humans rely on are worthless.
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/21/2008 1:27:22 AM
GOP Arizona Rep. Rick Renzi -- the co-chairman of Sen. John McCain's campaign in Arizona -- has been indicted this morning:
Republican Rep. Rick Renzi (REN-zee) has been indicted for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other charges related to a land deal in Arizona.
A 26-page federal indictment unsealed in Arizona accuses Renzi and two former business partners of conspiring to promote the sale of land that buyers could swap for property owned by the federal government. The sale netted one of Renzi's former partners $4.5 million.
Renzi is a three-term member of the House. He announced in August that he would not seek re-election.
Today's indictment comes after a lengthy federal investigation into the land developing and insurance businesses owned by Renzi's family.
In April 2007, federal agents raided a Sonoita (so-no-EE-ta) Arizona business owned by Renzi's wife, Roberta.
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Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/21/2008 1:25:18 AM
Cochran said his choice was prompted partly by his fear of how McCain might behave in the Oval Office.
"The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine," Cochran said about McCain by phone. "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."
McCain's run-ins with other Republican senators are legendary. Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa said in an interview that he was so upset by a McCain tirade that he didn't speak to him for two years. Grassley, who said he will make no endorsement, nonetheless says McCain is the most qualified among the five GOP candidates to be president.
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