The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Comment: One look at the gahterings for Obama and McCain told me everything I needed to know about the two campaigns. With the television muted, I knew which crowd was which. One was inclusive and represented the real America. One did not. I;ll let you guess which was which. My newest guilty pleasure is listening to all of you Obama HATERS puff off about things that don;t matter. It is Mr. President , so get over it.
Comment: okay, Andrew, I don't know who you voted for...but I have gotten some facts that I would like you to read, in your spare time, please not on my dime, and give me your opinion on. Remember Alan Keyes has a PHD in government....
jan
PART 1
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child???s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."
From Alan Keyes suite against the Sec of State of CA and demanding they hold back the 55 electoral votes
Click here: 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location
PART 2
Click here: Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
I don't want you to think that all I do is sit around looking into this...I don't. Today I mowed the yard and did all the leaves, and took the dog in for shots, as well as multiple plumbing emails, phone calls, well you get the picture. BUT that being said, I do find this whole thing fascinating, because I live in the US but am not a US citizen. IF the above is correct (hopefully the US DEPT of STATE) knows what they are talking about...
the last sentence that says "five after the age of 14..." Obama's mother was born Nov. 29, 1942; Obama was born August of 1961, so his mother would have been 18 at the time of his birth whereby 5 years after the age of 14 which would be 19, could not have been reached....he was born 3.5 months shy of her 19th birthday.
Mr Obama does not qualify for US Citizenship. If I am doing my math correctly, she was 17 when she got pregnant...which legally could've been pursued as statutory rape.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
SIGN THE PETITION: http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis
Comment: This is not something that anyone else has started or made up. It is because of the fact that there was a lot of hiding information and deceit on the part of Obama. If he had just come out and showed his documents without the secrecy then there would not have been and doubt. Now if there wasn't something to this then why is a Judge in Hawaii considering having a hearing on the subject on the 18th of November. The reason is because the DOH representative actually stated there is some inaccuracies in the posted document and the real one.
So why do I feel that the truth has not really be stated? And this is not a open question for non-serious responsible American people. We don't put on blinders just because the MSM has totally endorse Obama and the Democratic agenda. If they had not been so obvious in their support for this and the hiding of information about the Democratics and the loosness of their attacks on the Replubicans then I would beleive them.
Comment: So why does a Judge in Hawaii think that there is something to the story? He has ordered a hearing on November 18, 2008 to review this case with Andy Martin and The DOH representative that stated yes they have the original but did not think that the infomation on the released document and the original is the same.
Comment: This whole subject is utter nonsense. The birth certificate has been produced. Do you think that the Democratic Party is so stupid that they would risk running someone who was not a llegal candidate? Especially during THIS critical election.
This is just more smear propaganda from the likes of the Karl Rove Team and/or Israeli shills (AIPAC). The same "unnamed foreign company" that hired the US company who is distributing those anti-Islam/Obama is a Muslim DVDs in certain US newspapers.
Wake up people. Let's talk about the real crimes!!! The one's that are destroying this country. The WMDs that never existed. The million $ a year that Cheney gets from Halliburton. The refusal of the Bush government to investigate the BILLIONS that have disappeared from the military. The illegal appointing of Bush as President by the Supreme Court instead of counting our votes. The "faulty" voting machines that coincidently only flip peoples votes from Democratic to Republican. The fact that somewhere along the way someone turned over our elections to private for-profit Republican corporations!!!
The reason that Obama has not gone through a bunch of hoopla about his birth certificate is because it is too silly to even respond to. Lots of people in this country are idiots!
Comment: "If" one was willing to do "anything" to get into the White House (or any other position of power) and saw the need for a fake birth certificate (or any other document or incident) and it was possible to do, it is feasible to suggest that they "may" conspire to do such. [This is NOT saying Obama did or is.] By the same token, concerning Bush and the purported "lie" about the WMD's - it's HISTORY that Hussein used them on his own people and played cat-and-mouse with the U.N. for YEARS over that matter. He had PLENTY of time to hide or ship away anything of the sort. Could he have? Certainly. Did he? When you "know" the truth about that THEN you can say Bush lied. Until then, you are accusing him of something YOU do NOT know beans about.
Comment: This whole subject is utter nonsense. The birth certificate has been produced. Do you think that the Democratic Party is so stupid that they would risk running someone who was not a llegal candidate? Especially during THIS critical election.
This is just more smear propaganda from the likes of the Karl Rove Team and/or Israeli shills (AIPAC). The same "unnamed foreign company" that hired the US company who is distributing those anti-Islam/Obama is a Muslim DVDs in certain US newspapers.
Wake up people. Let's talk about the real crimes!!! The one's that are destroying this country. The WMDs that never existed. The million $ a year that Cheney gets from Halliburton. The refusal of the Bush government to investigate the BILLIONS that have disappeared from the military. The illegal appointing of Bush as President by the Supreme Court instead of counting our votes. The "faulty" voting machines that coincidently only flip peoples votes from Democratic to Republican. The fact that somewhere along the way someone turned over our elections to private for-profit Republican corporations!!! People in this country are idiots!
Comment: I am a natural-born citizen born of two natural-born citizen parents. When I applied for a passport with my short-form birth certificate issued by the state of Texas, I was denied a passport until I could submit a copy of my long-form Texas birth certificate. When I was able to do that, it was still unacceptable until I produced a copy of my adoption papers because my birth certificate from Texas had been changed to reflect my adoptive fathers name. It was issued 6 years after my birth. Passport officials would not accept even the long-form until I produced 53 year old copies of my adoption papers. How does Obama get a pass on his short form birth certificate with all the controversy around his birth and I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get my passport because I could not produce an acceptable birth certificate. I'm not even running for president! I just wanted a passport allowing me to drive through Canada!!!
Comment: I find it 'odd" that if he was actually born in hawaii that no hospital or clinic is coming forward to state that he was born in their facility. Obama's own fmily members publicly stated that he was born in KENYA because his mother was unable to get doctor's permission to fly to Hawaii in her 9th month of pregnancy. Why are we STILL arguing about this??? It is 100% obvious that this is another DNC lie to get their man pushed into office. As for me....I am voting for the HERO....not the ZERO.
Comment: If Obama was born in the U.S.he would have shown his birth certificate and his medical records from the beginning.He did not,how does our government allow this?why doesn't the DNC do something about it!WECOME TO AMERICA!
Comment: Hold It
How is this possible? How can a guy with no seeming history, and I mean even a birth certificate, run for President? Listen, if he has a birth certificate then produce it. Simple.
Comment: Why didn't Obama simply produce an original copy of his birth certifate in the first place? That would have killed this issue immediately. By not doing so causes people to wonder why... Is it just arrogance, feeling that "I shouldn't have to" or is there really somethiing to hide. An average Joe like me can't get a drivers license in California without producing an original birth certificate. I find it unbelievable that anyone (Republican, Democrat, Other) can even start to run for President without first producing an original birth certificate.
Comment: Why did Obama not simply release his birth certificate he was required to file along with his application to the Illinois bar rather than one issued last year? For that matter release his Bar application. If he claims he will make government more transparent, now is the time. His stonewalling information now is indicative of what kind of presidency we can expect.
Comment: Factcheck and Newsweek< Please tell me, tell the American people why Obama would be so quick, compliant and graceous as to have you, all important, unbiased Factcheck, and writer Joe Miller, carefully examine the only original birth certificate of Obama?? Why would he do that???? American people ..... does this tell you anything about Obama? He is not giving YOU the information YOU need. I would think he would be in such an incredible hurry to get this cleared up that the internet would be the LAST place he would waste his time. And everyone agrees the first one "certification of birth" is a fake. What prompted the need to do that?? I'm thinking the original doesn't exist anymore, except that there never really was an original since he was born in a country that doesn't have a system to record and save such things. Certainly it is not in Hawaii or this would all be done with by now. The next "original" birth certificate, online, has everything inked out, including the name and dates!!!! How dumb do they think the American people are? Come on people
Comment: From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, banking activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill"? And they answer, "yes because we produced it after all." Granted you don't have the authority, let us say "pay grade", to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Maybe it is forged, maybe it's not, but the question your readers are concerned about isn't whether the certificate is an authentic health department certificate anyway. The question is "Is Obama a natural born citizen of the US?" and your "investigation" does nothing to shed light on that. The Constitution says nothing about having an authentic health department birth certificate in order to qualify as a candidate for the office of President of the United States of America (blessed be the name). Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.
Comment: From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill? And they answer, "yes" because we produced it after all. Granted you don't have the authority or let us say "pay grade" to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.
Comment: I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen, or not. Since I have not seen any discussion of why this is important, I wanted to at least bring it up. The founders were careful to reduce any chances of influence of allegiance to another state or system. The idea is that those that have mixed allegiances may not make the same choices as those that are purely motivated by American interest. They had good reason to be so protective, as the colonies were founded by several different groups, with ties to several different governments. Spain, France, and England all owned land that neighbored the States, and were actively trying to influence the States. Trade, party, and family allegiances did sway the way that some governed at the time of the writing of the Constitution (see federalist paper #1).
Keeping that in mind, one has to wonder if Barack Obama is influenced by tribal ties, or even family history, to Raila Odinga. Here is yet another socialist that Obama says he has no ties to, even though there is a paper trail.
The big question that needs to be answered is who Obama is influenced by? While I can not answer this, I would suggest that the ties to the Industrial Areas Foundation, ACORN, Black Liberation Theology, Saul Alinski, Bill Ayers, Frank Davis, Reverend Wright, and seemingly endless others have to make you scratch your head. Tie that with the idea of ???spreading the wealth around???, and even the most skeptical among us has to ask themselves who has influence over Barack Obama. Of course, we all have ties like that, have worked for years for socialist, and Obama is likely not been influenced in the least by any of them.
One has to think of Hamilton's words: ???dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants???.
Comment: I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen, or not. Since I have not seen any discussion of why this is important, I wanted to at least bring it up. The founders were careful to reduce any chances of influence of allegiance to another state or system. The idea is that those that have mixed allegiances may not make the same choices as those that are purely motivated by American interest. They had good reason to be so protective, as the colonies were founded by several different groups, with ties to several different governments. Spain, France, and England all owned land that neighbored the States, and were actively trying to influence the States. Trade, party, and family allegiances did sway the way that some governed at the time of the writing of the Constitution (see federalist paper #1).
Keeping that in mind, one has to wonder if Barack Obama is influenced by tribal ties, or even family history, to Raila Odinga. Here is yet another socialist that Obama says he has no ties to, even though there is a paper trail.
The big question that needs to be answered is who Obama is influenced by? While I can not answer this, I would suggest that the ties to the Industrial Areas Foundation, ACORN, Black Liberation Theology, Saul Alinski, Bill Ayers, Frank Davis, Reverend Wright, and seemingly endless others have to make you scratch your head. Tie that with the idea of ???spreading the wealth around???, and even the most skeptical among us has to ask themselves who has influence over Barack Obama. Of course, we all have ties like that, have worked for years for socialist, and Obama is likely not been influenced in the least by any of them.
One has to think of Hamilton's words: ???dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants???.
Comment: Barack Obama is a US Citizen and a federal judge reaffirmed this last night. Here are some details from today's Philadelphia Daily News.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.
Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.
They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.
Surrick agreed.
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
Comment: If the certificate that you claimed to have examined and handled is so authentic why doesn't Obama release it to the court? Are you covering for him too? Some people still believe in the constitution and don't want a fraudulent president. What has happened to the media in this country?
Comment: Obama is an illegal alien. His own living grand mother in Hawaii, has been interviewed and taped as stating, 'Obama was born in Kenya and I was present in the delivery room'.
Well I guess we shouldn't believe our ears, but believe what left-of-center magazines tell us. Obama was never naturalized through Indonesia. He was not born in an American control territory. He doesn't have an official U.S. Birth Certificate ... I do! Obama has ONLY produced a certificate of of live birth, NOT a BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Most of you SHEEPLE MORONS don't nor won't acknowledge this! You stupid tax paying Paris Hilton worshiping monkeys!
This is why the powers that be laugh at you while they milk you for a trillion dollars of bailouts!
Obama has YET to produce a Birth Certificate ... he doesn't have one!
Wow, no wonder the American people are pure suckers when it comes to real life.
Comment: Liberals are going to be downing the Kool-Aid on this one too. If this were a Republican, they would be up in arms. Just how much is the left going to get away with. It does not seem to matter to them who Obama has ties to, what organizations he has given money to that help register fraudulent voters, or how many truly foolish things that Biden can say. The left has turned their back on any standard and only care about winning an election. Looks like their Messiah may not be Constitutionally qualified, no problem for them, he's leading in the polls so they'll keep him.
Comment: It may not matter much, but many coutries require that a child born on foreign soil of a male national (say a child born in the US with father from another country) be registered with their father's home country. This is indeed a birth registration, necessary for inheritance, legal status, custody, etc. for the father as well as the children. I am not sure if a document was found in Kenya or not, but it might have very well been such a registration, which may not have given a birth place or citizenship status. Such countries may also confer dual citizenship, which does not require the child to "swear an oath." Most children grow up never knowing of such a registration their entire lives.
Also, just so we do not forget-- a woman who is a US citizen give birth to natural-born US citizens no matter where the baby is born. That is the current legal status of foreign born US citizens.
Obama is a natural-born citizen, born in Hawaii, of a US citizen mother. And that is that.
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I don't think that Obama has nefarious allegiance to Kenya, or Indonesia, to the detriment of the US. Experience in countries other than the US, including early life experience, can broaden a person's outlook, and can make someone even more qualified, as an international leader, than someone, however otherwise good a candidate, that has spent all his life in the US. I look at a person's skill qualifications, what he has to say, his allegiance to the US, etc., rather than qualifications about where they spent the first week of their life, or relatively brief times spent overseas after that. I know Obama isn't perfect, but at the moment, I do see him as good US presidential material.
Comment: I think it???s best to take a broader view of the Obama birth location issue.
I don't care where Obama was born--even if he was born in Kenya, he comes close enough to US citizenship to be "close enough" for me. I know that's not technically proper, but I don't care. If he was born in Kenya, he spent, at most, maybe a week there before his mother went back to Hawaii. His mother almost made the requirements at the time, that would have allowed a Kenyan birth to still give US citizenship to Obama (in spite of being a US citizen, she hadn't spent quite "enough" time in the US, and/or wasn't quite old enough, by about a year, to satisfy the odd requirements at that time); and, the requirements have been relaxed since then, so that if Obama had been born in Kenya today, under the same circumstances, he would have been a US citizen, because his mother was (yes, I realize changes to these laws aren't retroactive). Minus his first few theoretical days in Kenya, he spent the first seven years of his childhood in Hawaii, then his mother took him to Indonesia for four years, after which he went back to Hawaii for about eight years to live with his maternal grandparents, and then he moved to Los Angeles. He's continued to live in the continental US ever since, except for a trip to Pakistan (no, don't worry about that either), so essentially he's spent only four years of his life not on US soil, and that as a child. If he was a US citizen when he and his mother moved to Indonesia, I feel it's also unimportant whatever the technicalities were regarding its effect on his US citizenship, especially since the laws have been relaxed since then (again, I know such changes aren't retroactive--so what), and especially since, even at that time, if you're a US citizen, any traveling you do, is usually not considered a citizenship-breaker, even if you don't conform to all the filing regulations, repatriation, oath of allegiance, etc.--short of renouncing your US citizenship, or swearing allegiance with another country in order to harm the US, once you have US citizenship, the US government almost always considers you a permanent US citizen (sure there are exceptions, but not many--even Lee Harvey Oswald remained a US citizen, even after he tried, unsucessfully, to renounce his US citizenship in the US Embassy in the Soviet Union, attempting to hand over his US passport, and then trying to become a Soviet citizen--the Soviets didn't grant him citizenship, and Oswald remained a US citizen). Since Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama when he was less than a couple weeks old, he's been considered ever since, by the US, for all intents and purposes, a US citizen, and that's unlikely to change even if it was found he was born in Kenya.
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The birth certificate supposedly found by the GOP in Mombassa, Kenya, and the one issued in Hawaii, both state Barack was born Aug 4 1961. So, wherever Ann was on that day, it's likely (but not a certainty) that's the day Barack was born. What does all the documentation available from the time, say where Ann was located on that day? Would records kept by the airline(s) she used, by customs, etc etc, be useful in locating where she was on that day? Surely at least one or a few records helping us pin this day down still exist.
Were there any witnesses in Hawaii, after Ann arrived there from Kenya, who saw Ann with a newborn when she arrived, or did they see the newborn only after a week or so? Anybody who can testify they drove Ann to the hospital in Hawaii, or did she do that herself?
Again, details matter. I doubt if all this evidence has become lost to time.
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Wayne Madsen's "Online Journal" article (http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3349.shtml) on June 29 2008 states that a GOP "dirty tricks" team went to Kenya in Feb 2008, and found a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack dated Aug 4 1961. However, he cites no evidence for this trip. His article also states: "However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals." The registration appears to have been done by Barack's father, who appears to have remained in Kenya for a while after Ann returned to Hawaii, so under this scenario, did Ann return to Hawaii, give birth to Barack there, then call Barack Sr. to tell him of their son's birth, after which Barack Sr. falsely registered his son as being born in Kenya? Berg now says the Kenyan birth certificate specifically cites Barack as being born, not just registered, at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombassa, Kenya at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961. Are there other records, such as (obviously) hospital records, showing associated work done to deliver Barack at this hospital (records of drugs dispensed, others in attendance, etc.), or that Ann was even admitted to that hospital? And even if a birth certificate for Barack was issued in that hospital at that time, could this have been due to some contentiousness between Barack Sr. and Ann, both wanting to register Barack as a citizen of their respective native countries? At the time, they wouldn't have been thinking of the trouble their actions would cause decades later--all they would have been thinking of, was having a son "born" in their native country.
If a GOP dirty tricks team really did go to Kenya, who's to say that they didn't fake, or have someone there fake, a birth certificate in Mombassa? How hard would that have been? If Berg, etc. want to see an original, long birth certificate for Barack, issued in Hawaii, confirming his birth there, then there's an equal requirement for presenting to the world the supposed Mombassa birth certificate.
So far, the preponderance of documented evidence and testimony is that Barack was born in Hawaii. The only evidence cited for a birth in Kenya are a yet to be seen birth certificate supposedly issued in Mombassa, and uncorroborated eyewitness testimony of only three people--his paternal grandmother, who may have had a beef against Ann, or simply wanted people to think her grandson was born in Kenya, and his half-brother and half-sister, whose more recent statements place Barack's birth in Hawaii. Has anybody, besides people like Berg's investigators, recently asked Barack's paternal grandmother to confirm whether she really said Barack was born in Kenya, and gotten her statement on video?
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If the airline, when she departed from Kenya to return to Hawaii, wouldn't let a pregnant Ann onboard, why would the airline when she originally departed from Hawaii for Kenya, allow her onboard? Were there different regulations on different legs of the trip? Different airlines? How long were they in Kenya before Ann decided to return to Hawaii--long enough so that she went from being OK'd for travel from Hawaii to Kenya, but then came too close to term while in Kenya?
Details matter.
The story we've heard about the experience Ann had on her trip to meet the Obama family in Kenya, was that the Obama family didn't like her since she was white, and she in turn was displeased at how women were treated by Muslims in Kenya. Both experiences led to her quick return to Hawaii. Could there have been some long-lasting bad feelings between Ann and Barack's paternal grandmother, to the point where the grandmother would, even recently, falsely say that Obama was born in Kenya? Or would she falsely say Barack was born in Kenya, due to her pride in Barack, her grandson?
There are other questions surrounding Obama's citizenship, such as whether his childhood in Indonesia, as an Indonesian citizen, caused him to lose his American citizenship, or whether he had dual citizenship, lack of a recorded oath of allegiance, etc. when he returned from Indonesia to Hawaii, but these pale in comparison to where he was actually born, and these other issues would probably be dismissed if it could be proven where he was born.
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Comment: Though having Obama's original birth certificate--whether one issued in Hawaii, or Kenya--might answer the question as to where he was born, lacking that, we can look at other information to try to get some anwers.
First, the supposed statements in Berg's suit:
"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. At her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth."
Obama Sr., Ann's husband, also traveled with her to Kenya on this trip--the purpose of the trip was to introduce Ann to Obama Sr.'s family. Variations of these stories have Obama's paternal grandmother supposedly stating that she was in the delivery room in Mombassa, Kenya when Obama was born. But are there any actual records, corroborating eyewitness testimony, etc. about a Kenyan birth, or even about these members of Obama Sr.'s family having made such statements? Berg also cites no evidence that Ann wasn't allowed onboard the return flight from Kenya to Hawaii since she was too close to delivering Barack. In fact, these supposed "facts", and "statements" by Obama Sr.'s family, from Berg's suit, are completely uncorroborated, but repeated as if proven by many other news sources, as reported by "What's Your Evidence?" (http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/was-obama-born.html)--so far, the only people testifying to this supposed evidence are Berg's investigators, and everyone else is just repeating that without doing their own investigating.
Some of the pieces of information we need to do our own investigation into the above statements: What about the airline(s) that Obama's mother Ann traveled on, to return from Kenya to Hawaii--do any records for those flights still exist (a trip that probably involved connecting flights, since at the time there were probably no direct planes traveling the great distance from Kenya to Hawaii), and if so, do they show departure and arrival dates and times, and whether a pregnant Ann was on these flights, or Ann plus a newborn? If they showed a pregnant Ann getting on board, theoretically she could have faked that--a pillow under her dress, and her newborn in a carry-on bag--if she was really determined to get Obama registered as being born in Hawaii, but could she have kept the presence of a newborn secret once they were on board what were, at the time, much smaller planes than we have now? And would she really have gone through all that trouble just to get Barack registered as being born in Hawaii? Probably not.
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Comment: I was originally confused about whether this article was claiming that the COLB that the FactCheck people handled, was the original one produced in Hawaii in 1961, after Obama's birth, or a recently printed copy, since the article states both "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate", and "The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign". I noticed that the word "LASER" appears in the lower left corner of this COLB (www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg), but development on the first laser printers started in 1969, at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, so the image shown in this article couldn't be an original from 1961.
It eventually got through my brain, that the second quote from this article, that I cite above, is the more accurate one, and the article's author unfortunately used the term "original" in the first quote, when he really meant "original of the copy printed in 2007".
Hope that clears up any similar confusion other people may be having.
Now, as to whether this COLB can be considered as proof of Obama being born in Hawaii, in lieu of the original birth certificate, I don't yet know. The printout cited in the article, is merely that--something printed on a laser printer last year, from information in Hawaii's current database of births from 1961, instead of being the original piece of paper issued in 1961, which is what everyone would really like to see.
Comment: Does "LASER" mean "laser printer" or is that some hospital or governmental acronym or something to that effect? I've seen a few of those ominous-looking mysteries before. They're fodder for conspiracy seekers and headaches for the easily intimidated, but critical for the filing clerks of the world!
Comment: There has been an exhaustive and unbiased analysis of the COLB posted on the KOS site, done by a certified forensic document examiner with over 15 years experience in both the documunents and the technologies used by the various branches of the federal and state governments for official use. Here's the link: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html. As Mr. Miller states in this article from FactCheck.org, he found it difficult to speak with anyone at the Hawaii DOH to corroborate the challenges made by various sources as to the authenticity of the copy of the COLB given to him by the Obama campaign. The examiner in the analysis article also encountered similar difficulties... but he kept going! He states, "While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk???s offices. He was unwilling to give any specific details but did provide enough information to work with. The COLB certificates are printed directly in the clerk???s office at the time they are requested. The system uses a standard laser printer and the border is printed at the same time as the text and other images on top of preprinted security paper. He stated the border is a vector image and would appear crisp and defined. When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. When asked if he had seen the images on-line he replied that he had ??? and that there is ???no way??? they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions." I wonder if Mr. Miller has been duped? Is it possible? All of this controversy could settled by the Obama campaign providing his 'original' COLB... so why haven't they? At least then we can get back to the real issues.
Comment: It seems as though this article has entirely based it conclusion of being valid based on what FactCheck.org has to say. Since FactCheck.org is purely funded by the Annenberg foundation, and the fact that both Obama and Bill Ayers both have sponsored the Annenberg, don't you think that one might consider it being the only sole source for verifying it would be a conflict of interest? Now knowing that, I think it discredits anything FactCheck.org says with regards to any political questions. I agree with Phillip Berg that we need a Court not a website to verify this, it is after all our constitution we are talking about. Even if it is real, he lost his citizenship when he became Indonesian.
www.obamacrimes.org
Comment: I don't care where he was born. He has taken millions in illegal donations from foreigners overseas. ILLEGAL, Federal law no foreign donations or votes. NO Bling, veils on american women, bombs strapped to baby daddies.
Reinstatement of SLAVERY, (the poor) Slavery is legal in Islam.
Vote OBAMA, Vote Islamic America, Vote SLAVERY, Vote the end of hip hop, rap.
Vote Obama, take all rights of Americans to own guns, Islam can't take over if we are allowed to own guns.
WELCOME TO ISLAMIC AMERICA
Comment: Maybe the original "original" got lost during the '60s, maybe it got sent in with his original US passport application in the days before xerox machines were everywhere and didn't get returned or filed someplace safe. So what? We've sent for "official" birth certificates for many family members over the years when we couldn't find the "original" ones, for various reasons, and the certified copies are legally the same thing. And there is an "official signature" on the Obama BC -- it's stamped, just like the one on my reissue (from NYC). People will believe anything, of course, anything they really want to believe (Elvis is still alive, for instance). but I would say the burden of proof is on those asserting Obama was not born in the US. The State of Hawaii has officially documented that he was born there, and so is a natural born citizen and can be President. If you have evidence to the contrary, let's see it.
Comment: Seeing is believing... where is the original? Does Obama have the original but just refuses to release it to the media? Or is it that he cannot produce the original because Obama does not have one?
BTW, there are no official signatures on the ???New??? birth certificate??? More investigation is needed.
Comment: hughbie
The people who wrote this article said they touch the birth certificate and you say that YOU need to see it. I don't have my ORIGINAL copy of my birth certificate, the certified copy I've shown the military has allowed me to serve my country without question. This birth certificate issue is noise and its sole purpose is to cause doubt in the minds of the public. The type of noise that cost McCain his election in 2000 AND 2004. The diffierence now is that EVERYONE KNOWS what the republicans are trying to do AND the economy is a REAL issue..
The premise of any smear campaign rests on a central truth of politics: Most of us will vote for a candidate we like and respect, even if we don't agree with him on every issue. But if you can cripple a voter's basic trust in a candidate, you can probably turn his vote. The idea is to find some piece of personal information that is tawdry enough to raise doubts, repelling a candidate's natural supporters.
All campaigns do extensive research into their opponent's voting record and personal life. This so-called "oppo research" involves searching databases, combing through press clips, and asking questions of people who know (and preferably dislike) your opponent. It's not hard to turn up something a candidate would rather not see on the front page of The Boston Globe.
It's not necessary, however, for a smear to be true to be effective. The most effective smears are based on a kernel of truth and applied in a way that exploits a candidate's political weakness.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/
Comment: PERSONALLY, the issue of where this dude was born is totally paled by the fact that he's worked 143 days in his current position in the senate....HE"S admitted that the last 19 months, he's spent in hotel rooms and running from town to town.....It's like going to work at McDonalds as a cashier one day, then two days later, your shooting for the CEO position....It's ridiculious to entertain the idea that he is anywher close to being capable of making good, sound, and CORRECT choices for our nation......Let's get real about this thing and talk about the real issue....it's just as Ferraro said...it he weren't black, he would have been laughed out of his crazy ambitons....It's just that nobody is willing to tell the truth~~~
Comment: You want to talk about birth cerificates....Let see the one of Sarah Palins newborn....How simple it would have been to produce this instead of throwing your 17 yr old daughter to the wolves as a screen to get the heat off of her about this child. What Mother would do this to her daughter, I know I wouldn't have. What kind of power mongure is she? The worst kind, she will do anything for the Power..Now that is scarey...
Comment: you've got to be kidding me.... how stupid of an argument is that. Do you actually believe this? It is widely known that most Downs babies are born to mothers of more mature age.... it's one of the biggest risks with late-in-life pregnancy ... NOT teenage births. Get a reality grip...
Comment: You want to talk about birth certificates....Find the one on Trig Palin...How simple it would have been to provide the birth certificate rather than throw your 17 yr old daughter to the wolves Sarah Palin...You people need to find out the truth and let the nation know what a liar she is about this child.
Comment: Liberals are vile people and you're the perfect example. Sarah Palin isn't running for president. but Hussein Obama is. He has no qualifications to be president and his past associations are reason to distrust him. Americans are being deceived. Wake up and vote for the only qualified man running: John McCain, patriot.
Comment: Now that you've got Obama's birth certificate, would you please aske Sarah Palin for her newborns birth certificate? I think we have a right to know the truth. We dont need any more Presidents hiding false information. And yes, we do have a right to know what kind of person she really is.
Comment: I'm with you on this, a birth certificate on this baby is warranted. Some say it's not likely for a person to get pregnant so soon after a baby is born, don't know how a womans body function. I know first hand that a woman can get pregnant right after having a baby. Infact a first cousin of mine did, back in the late eighties. She had a baby the early part of the month, and must have gotten well and you know what happened next. The next month she went for her checkup the doctor informed her that she was doing well and that she was fourteen days pregnant. When I first heard Palin talk about her son and then found out by mistake that her 17 year old daughter was pregnant, my first instinct told me that this small baby was the daughter too. There are too many holes in the story. A mother will be pround the be having a baby no matter what position she's in. Be it a governor or community leader. She will not be ashame and will tell her family. After all she did not know she was having a special child as she points out until the third trimester and that she covered the preganancy up by wearin baggy and big clothes, that sounds so very retarded to me. Only young teenagers will do something like this. For heavens sake, she's a married woman. That's why I beleive this baby is her daughters. Think about the story told about her licking fluids, and wanting to get back to Wasillia some what 40-50 miles away from where she could get to a hospital. I'm willing to bet Palin has even had the hospital staff, or even a midwife paid to keep quite. It amazes me the length people will go through to cover up something.
Comment: DEBORAH McCLELLAN HERE AGAIN: I CAN'T BELIEVE I TYPED "HONORABLE" AS "UNHONORABLE". GOOD GRIEF. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. OF COURSE, I MEANT HONORABLE!!!!!!!
Comment: UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY FINDING OURSELVES HAVING TO SPEND TIME ON THIS! BARACK OBAMA IS A DEVOTED, UNHONORABLE MAN WHO HAS DONE ALL HE COULD TO BETTER HIMSELF TO THIS POINT AND BE A DECENT CITIZEN, AND THIS IS HOW OUR SOCIETY TREATS HIM. IT MAKES ME SICK. DEBORAH McCLELLAN, HANOVER, PENNSYLVANIA
Comment: There's a sucker born every minute.
Comment: Why does it even matter? If Obama was from the middle east which he isnt, but lets say he was that doenst make him a terrorist. I am so sick of people just coming to their own conclusions and not looking at facts! Obama isnt muslim either but if he was that doesnt make him a terrorist either! Besides he cant be muslim see the one of the differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity is excepting of other religions but Islam isnt! So if Barack Obama is muslim he wouldnt be a member of a protestant church!
Comment: For the sake of your argument... 'if' Obama was born in the Middle-East that would disqualify him from running for President. Did you sleep through civics in high school?! Come on...
Comment: Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, filed a lawsuit in Federal Court , Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States.
Check the facts folks..it's public information.
Comment: It is a known fact that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, Africa of an African father and a white mother. The United States Constitution clearly states that any person running for the office of United States President must be "Native Born". His color is not the object....we must uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Comment: How could he have been born in Kenya? Kenya wasn't even a country until two years after he was born.
Comment: For the love of Pete, people - WAKE UP!!!! I don't care if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Timbuktu... that, to me, is by far the LEAST of my concerns about Barack Obama... and believe me, I have MANY. What about the fact that beyond where he actually made his entrance into this world, many formative years of his childhood were NOT in the United States of America, but rather Indonesia, amongst Muslim influence and teachings. Why are we ballyhooing about race, or birthplace or anything else.... is this truly the best we have to choose from for the highest office in the land? Can't we at least get SOMEBODY... black, white, female or otherwise, who was at least born AND RAISED in the United States? Obama's methods and intentions are highly suspect to me, and I am flabbergasted that after only 7 short years following the most horrific attack on American soil, we as a nation are actually considering someone so soft on defense, and inexperienced at foreign policy as Barack Obama. Heaven help us if he is elected.
Comment: Stop fooling yourselves. You are afraid of Barack Obama because you dont want to have to acknowledge Black people as humans. How will you be able to justify your superior attitudes with a Black man as your LEADER? No more excuses people, examine your souls. Besides that other countries will begin to see us as being noble again with Obama as president.
Comment: It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.... there are many honorable black leaders I would have embraced .... Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma for example was a decent, honorable, honest public servant... problem is, lots of folks don't like him much because of his conservative views. Obama's ideology and positions on major issues are what I find objectionable... nothing more.
Comment: This lawsuit has been addressed in newspapers across the country. However, the Democratic Party and the Obama Campaign have been working with major Pro Media outlets to keep a lid on this story. There is also evidence that Senator Obama didn't change his citizenship on his passport until 2006. Even as a US Senator, Barack Obama was citizenship was listed as Indonesia until he started his Presidential Bid. This is not heresay, there are photo copies of this on the internet. That was why the Obama campaign had a fit when the passport records were "broken into and release to the internet and media." These records are public, the Democrats were just trying to keep them under raps.
Comment: I am not so concerned about the authenticity of the birth certificate, as I am about the lawsuit in Federal Court in Eastern Pennsylvania. This suit was brought by Democrats, and Former National Head of the Democratic National Convention, not Republicans; outlining proof that Obama was actually born in Kenya and a week later his Parents flew to Hawaii to re-register him at 2 hospitals to obtain the birth certificate. This is not a small claims court or civil court. It is a FEDERAL Court and the court felt there is enough valid evidence for the case not to be dismissed, even though Senator Obama told a recent rally that the case was dismissed. The case is going through the Federal court! <http://www.globalsearch.ca/index.php?content=va&aid=9920>
Comment: I think if we the "People" can ask for a birth certificate for Obama, we should get one for McCain and for Palin. Let's stop asking for things that are only required for blacks. Let's unite and make sure the same requirements are for every American. It's time everyone realize that life is a two way street. We all need to open our hearts and our eyes and be honest. The fact remains that all Americans are afraid of color.
Comment: McCain has already produced these documents. And his health records. And his school records. Obama has produced NOTHING.
Comment: Alaskano8 no one is playing the race card BUT YOU.
Comment: I looked at the birth certificate it has a raised seal and a signature what else do you want.
Comment: Obama's birth certificate is a forge document, done by the Obama's KGB bodyguards and a disintegrated and dieing DNC. If anybody is interested to know the truth about this question, please open the site: www.hcsfm.com So, everybody, including NBC and CNN, does know Barack Hussein Obama was born Muslim, outside of USA territory and his real birth's certificate is kept out of public sight, in order to be stolen the US Presidency by an impostor Muslim, a puppet of our enemies.
Regarding the financing , all mass media has revealed the multimillion financing campaign was the results of a massive plot and conspiring of Russian KGB, anti American Muslim forces and a Nazi-Communist hybrid as George Sorros. Wake Up, Americans !!!
Comment: www.hcsfjm.com
Comment: A class action law suit was filed against Obama in Philadelphia last week based on his citizenship (or lack of it). According to court documents filed Obama's grandmother, brother and sister witnessed his birth in Kenya. Obama's mother registered his birth in Hawaii when she returned to the states. Check out US immigration laws during that time. She was not eligible to declare him natural born because of her age at the time of his birth. These same court documents indicate Obama's mother remarried a man from Indonesia and both Obama and his mother then moved to Indonesia. Obama's step-dad apparently adopted him thus Obama became a citizen of Indonesia. In any case, there is no documentation after Obama turned 18 (when he would have been eligible) declaring his allegiance and citizenship. He is not eligible to run as President of the USA. Quit playing the race card. Let the facts stand for them selves!
Comment: It is amazing what lengths people will go through to keep America from moving forward into the new millenium. He is an American born and bred and people need to get past the hateful rhetoric. The only problem you have with him is his skin color. Not his leadership capabilites. How much worst could he be than your beloved GWB. OBAMA/ BIDEN 2008
Comment: It is amazing the lengths people will go through to discredit this man. He is an AMERICAN and the only problem is is that he is BLACK. Get over it this is a new millenium. The time for that hateful rhetoric is past.OBAMA/BIDEN2008
Comment: The 'lengths' being gone to are that some are attempting to PROVE LEGALLY whether Obama is a US citizen. Black or white has nothing to do with it, but Constitutionality DOES. McCain provided his birth certificate; why can't Obama? If he can, GREAT! Having a black president will give black people a chance to prove to the whites that they are better people than some whites give them credit for (and getting along doesn't make you 'whities' - it shows others that you are good, respectable PEOPLE). Yes it is a new millenium, yet some still forget we are all decendants from Adam and created equal. Plus, the old rhetoric is just as bad (and incorrect) now as it has always been, and it is high time to live above such ignorance.
Comment: Thanks Grandma #1 at least someone have some common sense.
Comment: If I observe as an international viewer all your effort to disqualify Obama to become the president, I only can observe one thing...there is no country as the USA that is more racist on this planet earth. It all about the color of this man...South Africa is a genuine racist country...we all know that..but you all are a racist country covered under a mask....
Comment: If I follow as an international viewer all your effort to disqualify Obama or to discredit him..I only can say one thing and I am sorry I have to say it. There is no country as racist as the U.S.A. South Africa is a genuine racist country..but you all are racist under a mask........
Comment: We'll the fact is Alegna57 you reap what you SOW as the scriptures says. You plant a bad seed you reap the same as a harvest.
Comment: Additionally, I am just one average american. However, doing about 20 minutes research on the internet was enough for me to legitimately question the authenticity of Senator Obama's birth certificate. Currently, there is another birth certificate signed by medical personnel in Vancouver, Canada that attests to his birth in Vancouver. As his sister, Maya, has two different birth month's on her online certificates. It is highly likely that after both births the children were taken to Hawaii (it was more liberal-less birth verification required during the 1960's) and registered again as american's. Attached is a link to a showing a Canadian birth certificate for Senator Obama with actual signatures. If this birth certificate is authentic, then Senator Obama is Canadian born - Not American. Shouldn't someone actually get to the bottom of this before the Democratic Party makes a huge fool of themselves? <http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm>
Comment: Then want you go to Hawaii and get his original.
Comment: It is a constitutional requirement for any candidate running for President to be a "natural born" citizen. There is an easy way to prove Senator Obama's birth. Simply go to the County Register's office in Honolulu and pull it up. Additionally, there must be records of his birth at a local Honolulu hospital. Granted it was 47 years ago, however, there are probably still some medical staff still working. Given Senator Obama's heritage and education overseas during his youth, it is reasonable for his actual citizenship to be established.
Comment: Awe repigs, you're confused, if you don't vote for Obama, you a MORON not a racist. If you call him a MUSLIM, knowing he is not...you're a racist. If you're in that group of "older white males" who refuse to hear him, you're a racist.
As for "experience" ther are several 4 Star and lower Generals who say that being a prisoner does NOT a president make...and given mccains attendance record or rather his absence record of 61% gone, his congressional experience is questionable at best. Add to that the fact that for 8 yrs he has sided with bush 95% of the time and here goes the figures ;) :
25 yrs in congress
Present 38% of the time = 9.5 yrs out of 25yrs
VOTED with bush 95% of 8yrs = 7.5 yrs out of 8 (for a total of 6 mos out of 8yrs mccain did not agree with bush)
Let's see our final number shall we.
Time in congress where mccain was just mccain and not a lap dog for bush = 2.5yrs
2.5yrs of actual attendance that was not just BUSH yrs, hmmm who else has just over 2.5 yrs senatorial experience less all the corruption of a John McCain...hmmmm..
Comment: It is interesting how those who did not vote for Obama are labeled "racist" but those who did not vote for McCain are not. Why is it not the other way around? If you are black and you voted for Obama, you are a racist for not voting for McCain! So the blacks were being racist if they did not vote for McCain and the whites were being racist if they did not vote for Obama, based on that ideology. No, you just all show your one-sidedness when you try to pin stupidity like that on those who really have some wisdom and who vote ISSUE instead of rhetoric or color or gender or feelings or whim.
Oh, and if McCain had only 2.5 years as a non-lapdog, he STILL beats Obama's tenure in the U.S. Senate. Plus, you fail to compare the rest of congressional votes, like Obama voting with Democrats 97% of the time. NOW who's the lap dog? On top of that, Governor Palin actually has more executive experience than both presidential candidates combined. Now ain't that just all out of whack?
Yet we voted in the man with more unanswered questions (associations, campaign contributions, etc) and less governmental experience than anyone else on the tickets. Looks like we'll get our chance at seeing what we've done for ourselves. Remember, you get what you pay for, you reap what you plant.
Last but not least, when I signed up with Obama's Transition group, I let him know I was praying for him. Still am. Are you?
Comment: You are a very smart person HarleyisHere.
Comment: Wait a minute. If those who have downloaded all nine Obama COLB pictures in their hard drive wanted to see more details, all they have to do is just pointing their mouse to each picture and see what Windows properties would tell them. You will see that they were all taken by a canon A570 IS on March 12,2008. For example picture birth_certificate_4 displayed:
Dimensions: 3072x2074
Date pictures taken: 3/12/2008 10:42 pm
Camera model: Canon Powershot A570IS
Type: JPEG Image
Size: 1.88 MB
This proves that fachcheck.org did not take these pictures themselves as they have stated. They were taken long before the controversy even started. There is no integrity on their report. The question is: why lying?
Comment: Here's a big question. I saw no where in this article where anyone checked with had checked with hawaii if the birth itself was real. I see where the cirtificate had been checked for it's authenticy but NOT the actual birth. Fact is until 9/11 birth certificates were easy to come buy. Shoot I can tell you of two diferent places locally to go and get fake ss cards i'm sure they can come up with fake birth certificates.
Comment: Futher in this article it did show for your records that it was checked for it's seal. And the seal was raised so do that answer your lie.
Comment: Joemathieus, Well if that's the case you better hope yours isn't fake.
Comment: Hey ShareNews...got a little info, I thought you might want to research....I've got some info, but you are the best researcher among this forum. So, if interested, I think you will find a new problem for Sen. Soetoro.
Obama, Ayers, Annenberg, and ACORN: a family affair?
LOTS of buzz about illegal $$$ floating around.
NOBAMA!!!
Comment: Holy Roller? Well it would take a real racially blinded person, to not see that Obama has been well reared by some parent or pastor. When you learn to take the high road as he does, then you can talk.
Comment: The false issue of the birth certificat is a typical right wing red herring. The goal is to shift the campaign to trivialities rather than real issues like the economy and the occupation. George W. was right when he said we won the war--we did when we over through Hussein and his army ran away. What we have had since then has been an unsuccessful occupation. The right knows they have to shift the focus to non-issues because they can't win on the real issues. The economy is a disaster, and we are being lied to about it. The unemployment rate would be 11% if the method of calculating it hadn't been changed to make it look better. The same is true for the inflation rate calculation. Real inflation is also about 11%. However, the richest 3% are getting richer, so Bush says the economy is OK.
Ask yourself, are you better off than you were before Bush?
Comment: Sadly, this is not a right-wing job...a long-time Democrat lawyer has filed a case against Barack. Many, many Dems are suspicious of this.
Comment: Roger47 you are right on and I am so happy to see someone who isn't deceived about what is taking place in the American economy. I feel that some many Americans don't understand the American economy, the Federal Budget, National Deficit, and Domestic policy. If anyone is truly interested in learning more about the aforementioned issues I suggest they read Restoring Fiscal Sanity 2005 (or any edition they can get their hands on) by Alice m.Rivlin and Isabel Sawhill. Rivlin has worked for both the Congressional Budgeting Office and the Office of Management and Budget for several years she is bipartisan. Another good read is Unlevel Playing Fields: Understanding Wage Inequality and Discrimination by Randy Albelda, Robert Drago, and Steven Shulman, also The Meritocracy Myth by Stephen J. McNamee and Robert K. Miller jr. is an excellent pick along with Postindustrial Peasants: The Illusion of Middle-Class Prosperity by Kevin T. Leicht and Scott T. Fitzgerald. And if you want to get really technical about how the federal budget works than I suggest the intense work of Allen Schick, The Federal Budget Politics, Policy, Process (however I must warn you that this book isn't as easy a read as the former books). .
Comment: This "richest" 3% you speak of. What percentage of taxes do they pay??? Ever looked? And what gives you or Hussein the right to steal their money?
NOBAMA!!!
