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  • Posted By: Smart American @ 12/31/2008 7:29:58 PM

    A citizen needs to be a Natural Born Citizen to become President. Stating the obvious, 2 American Parents. Obama has a Foreign Father, therefore he is Not a Natural Born Citizen. Time to send the whole Country, and other Countries back to grade school.

  • Posted By: f00adfe5 @ 12/24/2008 12:49:01 AM

    So everyone is ok with these "fact-checker" guys examining at it, but not a court of law?? The point is, the court threw it out saying that voters do not have a right to even question it, not that he proved it! We having nothing in place to keep frauds from running for president, and that doesn't worry anyone??

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 12/28/2008 12:48:44 AM

      "So everyone is ok with these "fact-checker" guys examining at it, but not a court of law?? The point is, the court threw it out saying that voters do not have a right to even question it, not that he proved it! "

      Before you repeat yourself, it is incumbent upon you to consider, and then to explain, why Hillary, McC and the RNC all declined to file such a lawsuit. They are real 'parties in interest', and a court difinitely would get to the 'merits' and require that Obama prove he is a citizen. Think about it. Why did they not sue?

      "We having nothing in place to keep frauds from running for president, and that doesn't worry anyone??"

      It apparently only worries those who are not satisfied with the multiple debunks of this propaganda, and with the logic of the whole matter.

      I sometimes have called people ignorant, but I don't think I have called anyone stupid before. You are both.

  • Posted By: my3kids @ 11/26/2008 6:12:55 PM

    One look at the gahterings for Obama and McCain told me everything I needed to know about the two campaigns. With the television muted, I knew which crowd was which. One was inclusive and represented the real America. One did not. I;ll let you guess which was which. My newest guilty pleasure is listening to all of you Obama HATERS puff off about things that don;t matter. It is Mr. President , so get over it.

  • Posted By: grandma #1 @ 08/26/2008 3:42:51 PM

    It is amazing the lengths people will go through to discredit this man. He is an AMERICAN and the only problem is is that he is BLACK. Get over it this is a new millenium. The time for that hateful rhetoric is past.OBAMA/BIDEN2008

    • Posted By: vote4usa @ 11/22/2008 10:53:57 PM

      The 'lengths' being gone to are that some are attempting to PROVE LEGALLY whether Obama is a US citizen. Black or white has nothing to do with it, but Constitutionality DOES. McCain provided his birth certificate; why can't Obama? If he can, GREAT! Having a black president will give black people a chance to prove to the whites that they are better people than some whites give them credit for (and getting along doesn't make you 'whities' - it shows others that you are good, respectable PEOPLE). Yes it is a new millenium, yet some still forget we are all decendants from Adam and created equal. Plus, the old rhetoric is just as bad (and incorrect) now as it has always been, and it is high time to live above such ignorance.

    • Posted By: cocoa49 @ 09/03/2008 2:32:25 PM

      Thanks Grandma #1 at least someone have some common sense.

  • Posted By: johnsawyercjs @ 10/23/2008 12:14:49 AM

    I was originally confused about whether this article was claiming that the COLB that the FactCheck people handled, was the original one produced in Hawaii in 1961, after Obama's birth, or a recently printed copy, since the article states both "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate", and "The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign". I noticed that the word "LASER" appears in the lower left corner of this COLB (www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg), but development on the first laser printers started in 1969, at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, so the image shown in this article couldn't be an original from 1961.

    It eventually got through my brain, that the second quote from this article, that I cite above, is the more accurate one, and the article's author unfortunately used the term "original" in the first quote, when he really meant "original of the copy printed in 2007".

    Hope that clears up any similar confusion other people may be having.

    Now, as to whether this COLB can be considered as proof of Obama being born in Hawaii, in lieu of the original birth certificate, I don't yet know. The printout cited in the article, is merely that--something printed on a laser printer last year, from information in Hawaii's current database of births from 1961, instead of being the original piece of paper issued in 1961, which is what everyone would really like to see.

    • Posted By: vote4usa @ 11/22/2008 10:17:48 PM

      Does "LASER" mean "laser printer" or is that some hospital or governmental acronym or something to that effect? I've seen a few of those ominous-looking mysteries before. They're fodder for conspiracy seekers and headaches for the easily intimidated, but critical for the filing clerks of the world!

  • Posted By: crimsonwolf23 @ 11/03/2008 1:46:28 PM

    This whole subject is utter nonsense. The birth certificate has been produced. Do you think that the Democratic Party is so stupid that they would risk running someone who was not a llegal candidate? Especially during THIS critical election.

    This is just more smear propaganda from the likes of the Karl Rove Team and/or Israeli shills (AIPAC). The same "unnamed foreign company" that hired the US company who is distributing those anti-Islam/Obama is a Muslim DVDs in certain US newspapers.

    Wake up people. Let's talk about the real crimes!!! The one's that are destroying this country. The WMDs that never existed. The million $ a year that Cheney gets from Halliburton. The refusal of the Bush government to investigate the BILLIONS that have disappeared from the military. The illegal appointing of Bush as President by the Supreme Court instead of counting our votes. The "faulty" voting machines that coincidently only flip peoples votes from Democratic to Republican. The fact that somewhere along the way someone turned over our elections to private for-profit Republican corporations!!!

    The reason that Obama has not gone through a bunch of hoopla about his birth certificate is because it is too silly to even respond to. Lots of people in this country are idiots!

    • Posted By: vote4usa @ 11/22/2008 9:29:18 PM

      "If" one was willing to do "anything" to get into the White House (or any other position of power) and saw the need for a fake birth certificate (or any other document or incident) and it was possible to do, it is feasible to suggest that they "may" conspire to do such. [This is NOT saying Obama did or is.] By the same token, concerning Bush and the purported "lie" about the WMD's - it's HISTORY that Hussein used them on his own people and played cat-and-mouse with the U.N. for YEARS over that matter. He had PLENTY of time to hide or ship away anything of the sort. Could he have? Certainly. Did he? When you "know" the truth about that THEN you can say Bush lied. Until then, you are accusing him of something YOU do NOT know beans about.

  • Posted By: burligurli @ 11/21/2008 12:05:55 PM

    okay, Andrew, I don't know who you voted for...but I have gotten some facts that I would like you to read, in your spare time, please not on my dime, and give me your opinion on. Remember Alan Keyes has a PHD in government....

    jan

    PART 1
    "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child???s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

    From Alan Keyes suite against the Sec of State of CA and demanding they hold back the 55 electoral votes

    Click here: 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location

    PART 2
    Click here: Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.


    I don't want you to think that all I do is sit around looking into this...I don't. Today I mowed the yard and did all the leaves, and took the dog in for shots, as well as multiple plumbing emails, phone calls, well you get the picture. BUT that being said, I do find this whole thing fascinating, because I live in the US but am not a US citizen. IF the above is correct (hopefully the US DEPT of STATE) knows what they are talking about...
    the last sentence that says "five after the age of 14..." Obama's mother was born Nov. 29, 1942; Obama was born August of 1961, so his mother would have been 18 at the time of his birth whereby 5 years after the age of 14 which would be 19, could not have been reached....he was born 3.5 months shy of her 19th birthday.
    Mr Obama does not qualify for US Citizenship. If I am doing my math correctly, she was 17 when she got pregnant...which legally could've been pursued as statutory rape.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    SIGN THE PETITION: http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis

  • Posted By: truthseeker12 @ 11/09/2008 9:37:36 PM

    This is not something that anyone else has started or made up. It is because of the fact that there was a lot of hiding information and deceit on the part of Obama. If he had just come out and showed his documents without the secrecy then there would not have been and doubt. Now if there wasn't something to this then why is a Judge in Hawaii considering having a hearing on the subject on the 18th of November. The reason is because the DOH representative actually stated there is some inaccuracies in the posted document and the real one.

    So why do I feel that the truth has not really be stated? And this is not a open question for non-serious responsible American people. We don't put on blinders just because the MSM has totally endorse Obama and the Democratic agenda. If they had not been so obvious in their support for this and the hiding of information about the Democratics and the loosness of their attacks on the Replubicans then I would beleive them.

  • Posted By: truthseeker12 @ 11/09/2008 9:31:06 PM

    So why does a Judge in Hawaii think that there is something to the story? He has ordered a hearing on November 18, 2008 to review this case with Andy Martin and The DOH representative that stated yes they have the original but did not think that the infomation on the released document and the original is the same.

  • Posted By: crimsonwolf23 @ 11/03/2008 1:37:17 PM

    This whole subject is utter nonsense. The birth certificate has been produced. Do you think that the Democratic Party is so stupid that they would risk running someone who was not a llegal candidate? Especially during THIS critical election.

    This is just more smear propaganda from the likes of the Karl Rove Team and/or Israeli shills (AIPAC). The same "unnamed foreign company" that hired the US company who is distributing those anti-Islam/Obama is a Muslim DVDs in certain US newspapers.

    Wake up people. Let's talk about the real crimes!!! The one's that are destroying this country. The WMDs that never existed. The million $ a year that Cheney gets from Halliburton. The refusal of the Bush government to investigate the BILLIONS that have disappeared from the military. The illegal appointing of Bush as President by the Supreme Court instead of counting our votes. The "faulty" voting machines that coincidently only flip peoples votes from Democratic to Republican. The fact that somewhere along the way someone turned over our elections to private for-profit Republican corporations!!! People in this country are idiots!

  • Posted By: rahite @ 11/03/2008 2:02:36 AM

    I am a natural-born citizen born of two natural-born citizen parents. When I applied for a passport with my short-form birth certificate issued by the state of Texas, I was denied a passport until I could submit a copy of my long-form Texas birth certificate. When I was able to do that, it was still unacceptable until I produced a copy of my adoption papers because my birth certificate from Texas had been changed to reflect my adoptive fathers name. It was issued 6 years after my birth. Passport officials would not accept even the long-form until I produced 53 year old copies of my adoption papers. How does Obama get a pass on his short form birth certificate with all the controversy around his birth and I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get my passport because I could not produce an acceptable birth certificate. I'm not even running for president! I just wanted a passport allowing me to drive through Canada!!!

  • Posted By: michaelk03 @ 11/01/2008 3:32:02 PM

    I find it 'odd" that if he was actually born in hawaii that no hospital or clinic is coming forward to state that he was born in their facility. Obama's own fmily members publicly stated that he was born in KENYA because his mother was unable to get doctor's permission to fly to Hawaii in her 9th month of pregnancy. Why are we STILL arguing about this??? It is 100% obvious that this is another DNC lie to get their man pushed into office. As for me....I am voting for the HERO....not the ZERO.

  • Posted By: liberty8 @ 09/11/2008 12:11:44 PM

    You want to talk about birth certificates....Find the one on Trig Palin...How simple it would have been to provide the birth certificate rather than throw your 17 yr old daughter to the wolves Sarah Palin...You people need to find out the truth and let the nation know what a liar she is about this child.

    • Posted By: ds1223 @ 10/30/2008 12:19:29 PM

      Liberals are vile people and you're the perfect example. Sarah Palin isn't running for president. but Hussein Obama is. He has no qualifications to be president and his past associations are reason to distrust him. Americans are being deceived. Wake up and vote for the only qualified man running: John McCain, patriot.

  • Posted By: babadooch @ 10/29/2008 8:57:46 PM

    If Obama was born in the U.S.he would have shown his birth certificate and his medical records from the beginning.He did not,how does our government allow this?why doesn't the DNC do something about it!WECOME TO AMERICA!

  • Posted By: Principle @ 10/29/2008 3:33:39 PM

    Hold It

    How is this possible? How can a guy with no seeming history, and I mean even a birth certificate, run for President? Listen, if he has a birth certificate then produce it. Simple.

  • Posted By: BIG BROTHER @ 10/27/2008 6:21:11 AM

    Why didn't Obama simply produce an original copy of his birth certifate in the first place? That would have killed this issue immediately. By not doing so causes people to wonder why... Is it just arrogance, feeling that "I shouldn't have to" or is there really somethiing to hide. An average Joe like me can't get a drivers license in California without producing an original birth certificate. I find it unbelievable that anyone (Republican, Democrat, Other) can even start to run for President without first producing an original birth certificate.

  • Posted By: Jance @ 10/27/2008 5:36:16 AM

    Why did Obama not simply release his birth certificate he was required to file along with his application to the Illinois bar rather than one issued last year? For that matter release his Bar application. If he claims he will make government more transparent, now is the time. His stonewalling information now is indicative of what kind of presidency we can expect.

  • Posted By: ashleymj @ 10/26/2008 10:12:39 PM

    Factcheck and Newsweek< Please tell me, tell the American people why Obama would be so quick, compliant and graceous as to have you, all important, unbiased Factcheck, and writer Joe Miller, carefully examine the only original birth certificate of Obama?? Why would he do that???? American people ..... does this tell you anything about Obama? He is not giving YOU the information YOU need. I would think he would be in such an incredible hurry to get this cleared up that the internet would be the LAST place he would waste his time. And everyone agrees the first one "certification of birth" is a fake. What prompted the need to do that?? I'm thinking the original doesn't exist anymore, except that there never really was an original since he was born in a country that doesn't have a system to record and save such things. Certainly it is not in Hawaii or this would all be done with by now. The next "original" birth certificate, online, has everything inked out, including the name and dates!!!! How dumb do they think the American people are? Come on people

  • Posted By: Mendacity @ 10/26/2008 9:08:03 PM

    From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, banking activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill"? And they answer, "yes because we produced it after all." Granted you don't have the authority, let us say "pay grade", to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Maybe it is forged, maybe it's not, but the question your readers are concerned about isn't whether the certificate is an authentic health department certificate anyway. The question is "Is Obama a natural born citizen of the US?" and your "investigation" does nothing to shed light on that. The Constitution says nothing about having an authentic health department birth certificate in order to qualify as a candidate for the office of President of the United States of America (blessed be the name). Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.

  • Posted By: Mendacity @ 10/26/2008 8:54:47 PM

    From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill? And they answer, "yes" because we produced it after all. Granted you don't have the authority or let us say "pay grade" to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.

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