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From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, banking activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill"? And they answer, "yes because we produced it after all." Granted you don't have the authority, let us say "pay grade", to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Maybe it is forged, maybe it's not, but the question your readers are concerned about isn't whether the certificate is an authentic health department certificate anyway. The question is "Is Obama a natural born citizen of the US?" and your "investigation" does nothing to shed light on that. The Constitution says nothing about having an authentic health department birth certificate in order to qualify as a candidate for the office of President of the United States of America (blessed be the name). Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.

From what I read here you have ascertained that the document is as it should be according to the Hawaii Health Department who produced the document. If the Health Department, or members thereof, wished to produce a forgery would that not be the case. That is all that your "investigation" has proven. It has not proven Obama is a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination. Any scientist or professional investigator would tell you, you have myriads of unproven assumptions you have not even attempted to investigate. So in the interest of honest journalism, don't insult our intelligence by trying to pass this off as the final word. Considering all the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been thrown at the Obama campaign (smashing all historic records) and the fact that there are relatives, eyewitnesses who have sworn they witnessed Obama's birth in a hospital in Kenya, wouldn't the prudent thing be to investigate from where the information in the document was obtained? Was it in the health department's data base? When was the information entered into the database? Is there information missing from the database that should be present? Is the identifying number on the certificate in sync with the activity at the time it was produced, sequencing, etc. Who would have access or the ability to fraudulently add to or manipulate the database, or create a certificate in any way? Have they been interrogated under oath? Are there any unusual behaviors, activities or spending aberrations related to these individuals? Have they at least been questioned by a professional trained in interrogation? My friends, I'm sorry but what you have ascertained could hardly be called an investigation. Basically what you have done could be akin to asking a counterfeiter "is this 20 dollar bill you produced a real twenty dollar bill? And they answer, "yes" because we produced it after all. Granted you don't have the authority or let us say "pay grade" to conduct such an investigation, but don't ignore it. Don't lead your readers on to believe this is the final word - try being honest and state exactly what I have here - the truth. Hannity is right, journalism is DEAD! At Newsweek anyway.

I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen, or not. Since I have not seen any discussion of why this is important, I wanted to at least bring it up. The founders were careful to reduce any chances of influence of allegiance to another state or system. The idea is that those that have mixed allegiances may not make the same choices as those that are purely motivated by American interest. They had good reason to be so protective, as the colonies were founded by several different groups, with ties to several different governments. Spain, France, and England all owned land that neighbored the States, and were actively trying to influence the States. Trade, party, and family allegiances did sway the way that some governed at the time of the writing of the Constitution (see federalist paper #1).

Keeping that in mind, one has to wonder if Barack Obama is influenced by tribal ties, or even family history, to Raila Odinga. Here is yet another socialist that Obama says he has no ties to, even though there is a paper trail.

The big question that needs to be answered is who Obama is influenced by? While I can not answer this, I would suggest that the ties to the Industrial Areas Foundation, ACORN, Black Liberation Theology, Saul Alinski, Bill Ayers, Frank Davis, Reverend Wright, and seemingly endless others have to make you scratch your head. Tie that with the idea of ???spreading the wealth around???, and even the most skeptical among us has to ask themselves who has influence over Barack Obama. Of course, we all have ties like that, have worked for years for socialist, and Obama is likely not been influenced in the least by any of them.

One has to think of Hamilton's words: ???dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants???.

I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen, or not. Since I have not seen any discussion of why this is important, I wanted to at least bring it up. The founders were careful to reduce any chances of influence of allegiance to another state or system. The idea is that those that have mixed allegiances may not make the same choices as those that are purely motivated by American interest. They had good reason to be so protective, as the colonies were founded by several different groups, with ties to several different governments. Spain, France, and England all owned land that neighbored the States, and were actively trying to influence the States. Trade, party, and family allegiances did sway the way that some governed at the time of the writing of the Constitution (see federalist paper #1).

Keeping that in mind, one has to wonder if Barack Obama is influenced by tribal ties, or even family history, to Raila Odinga. Here is yet another socialist that Obama says he has no ties to, even though there is a paper trail.

The big question that needs to be answered is who Obama is influenced by? While I can not answer this, I would suggest that the ties to the Industrial Areas Foundation, ACORN, Black Liberation Theology, Saul Alinski, Bill Ayers, Frank Davis, Reverend Wright, and seemingly endless others have to make you scratch your head. Tie that with the idea of ???spreading the wealth around???, and even the most skeptical among us has to ask themselves who has influence over Barack Obama. Of course, we all have ties like that, have worked for years for socialist, and Obama is likely not been influenced in the least by any of them.

One has to think of Hamilton's words: ???dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants???.

If the certificate that you claimed to have examined and handled is so authentic why doesn't Obama release it to the court? Are you covering for him too? Some people still believe in the constitution and don't want a fraudulent president. What has happened to the media in this country?

Obama is an illegal alien. His own living grand mother in Hawaii, has been interviewed and taped as stating, 'Obama was born in Kenya and I was present in the delivery room'.

Well I guess we shouldn't believe our ears, but believe what left-of-center magazines tell us. Obama was never naturalized through Indonesia. He was not born in an American control territory. He doesn't have an official U.S. Birth Certificate ... I do! Obama has ONLY produced a certificate of of live birth, NOT a BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Most of you SHEEPLE MORONS don't nor won't acknowledge this! You stupid tax paying Paris Hilton worshiping monkeys!

This is why the powers that be laugh at you while they milk you for a trillion dollars of bailouts!

Obama has YET to produce a Birth Certificate ... he doesn't have one!

Wow, no wonder the American people are pure suckers when it comes to real life.

Liberals are going to be downing the Kool-Aid on this one too. If this were a Republican, they would be up in arms. Just how much is the left going to get away with. It does not seem to matter to them who Obama has ties to, what organizations he has given money to that help register fraudulent voters, or how many truly foolish things that Biden can say. The left has turned their back on any standard and only care about winning an election. Looks like their Messiah may not be Constitutionally qualified, no problem for them, he's leading in the polls so they'll keep him.

It may not matter much, but many coutries require that a child born on foreign soil of a male national (say a child born in the US with father from another country) be registered with their father's home country. This is indeed a birth registration, necessary for inheritance, legal status, custody, etc. for the father as well as the children. I am not sure if a document was found in Kenya or not, but it might have very well been such a registration, which may not have given a birth place or citizenship status. Such countries may also confer dual citizenship, which does not require the child to "swear an oath." Most children grow up never knowing of such a registration their entire lives.

Also, just so we do not forget-- a woman who is a US citizen give birth to natural-born US citizens no matter where the baby is born. That is the current legal status of foreign born US citizens.

Obama is a natural-born citizen, born in Hawaii, of a US citizen mother. And that is that.

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I don't think that Obama has nefarious allegiance to Kenya, or Indonesia, to the detriment of the US. Experience in countries other than the US, including early life experience, can broaden a person's outlook, and can make someone even more qualified, as an international leader, than someone, however otherwise good a candidate, that has spent all his life in the US. I look at a person's skill qualifications, what he has to say, his allegiance to the US, etc., rather than qualifications about where they spent the first week of their life, or relatively brief times spent overseas after that. I know Obama isn't perfect, but at the moment, I do see him as good US presidential material.

I think it???s best to take a broader view of the Obama birth location issue.

I don't care where Obama was born--even if he was born in Kenya, he comes close enough to US citizenship to be "close enough" for me. I know that's not technically proper, but I don't care. If he was born in Kenya, he spent, at most, maybe a week there before his mother went back to Hawaii. His mother almost made the requirements at the time, that would have allowed a Kenyan birth to still give US citizenship to Obama (in spite of being a US citizen, she hadn't spent quite "enough" time in the US, and/or wasn't quite old enough, by about a year, to satisfy the odd requirements at that time); and, the requirements have been relaxed since then, so that if Obama had been born in Kenya today, under the same circumstances, he would have been a US citizen, because his mother was (yes, I realize changes to these laws aren't retroactive). Minus his first few theoretical days in Kenya, he spent the first seven years of his childhood in Hawaii, then his mother took him to Indonesia for four years, after which he went back to Hawaii for about eight years to live with his maternal grandparents, and then he moved to Los Angeles. He's continued to live in the continental US ever since, except for a trip to Pakistan (no, don't worry about that either), so essentially he's spent only four years of his life not on US soil, and that as a child. If he was a US citizen when he and his mother moved to Indonesia, I feel it's also unimportant whatever the technicalities were regarding its effect on his US citizenship, especially since the laws have been relaxed since then (again, I know such changes aren't retroactive--so what), and especially since, even at that time, if you're a US citizen, any traveling you do, is usually not considered a citizenship-breaker, even if you don't conform to all the filing regulations, repatriation, oath of allegiance, etc.--short of renouncing your US citizenship, or swearing allegiance with another country in order to harm the US, once you have US citizenship, the US government almost always considers you a permanent US citizen (sure there are exceptions, but not many--even Lee Harvey Oswald remained a US citizen, even after he tried, unsucessfully, to renounce his US citizenship in the US Embassy in the Soviet Union, attempting to hand over his US passport, and then trying to become a Soviet citizen--the Soviets didn't grant him citizenship, and Oswald remained a US citizen). Since Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama when he was less than a couple weeks old, he's been considered ever since, by the US, for all intents and purposes, a US citizen, and that's unlikely to change even if it was found he was born in Kenya.

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The birth certificate supposedly found by the GOP in Mombassa, Kenya, and the one issued in Hawaii, both state Barack was born Aug 4 1961. So, wherever Ann was on that day, it's likely (but not a certainty) that's the day Barack was born. What does all the documentation available from the time, say where Ann was located on that day? Would records kept by the airline(s) she used, by customs, etc etc, be useful in locating where she was on that day? Surely at least one or a few records helping us pin this day down still exist.

Were there any witnesses in Hawaii, after Ann arrived there from Kenya, who saw Ann with a newborn when she arrived, or did they see the newborn only after a week or so? Anybody who can testify they drove Ann to the hospital in Hawaii, or did she do that herself?

Again, details matter. I doubt if all this evidence has become lost to time.

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Wayne Madsen's "Online Journal" article (http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3349.shtml) on June 29 2008 states that a GOP "dirty tricks" team went to Kenya in Feb 2008, and found a Kenyan birth certificate for Barack dated Aug 4 1961. However, he cites no evidence for this trip. His article also states: "However, the registration is a common practice in African countries whose citizens abroad have families with foreign nationals." The registration appears to have been done by Barack's father, who appears to have remained in Kenya for a while after Ann returned to Hawaii, so under this scenario, did Ann return to Hawaii, give birth to Barack there, then call Barack Sr. to tell him of their son's birth, after which Barack Sr. falsely registered his son as being born in Kenya? Berg now says the Kenyan birth certificate specifically cites Barack as being born, not just registered, at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombassa, Kenya at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961. Are there other records, such as (obviously) hospital records, showing associated work done to deliver Barack at this hospital (records of drugs dispensed, others in attendance, etc.), or that Ann was even admitted to that hospital? And even if a birth certificate for Barack was issued in that hospital at that time, could this have been due to some contentiousness between Barack Sr. and Ann, both wanting to register Barack as a citizen of their respective native countries? At the time, they wouldn't have been thinking of the trouble their actions would cause decades later--all they would have been thinking of, was having a son "born" in their native country.

If a GOP dirty tricks team really did go to Kenya, who's to say that they didn't fake, or have someone there fake, a birth certificate in Mombassa? How hard would that have been? If Berg, etc. want to see an original, long birth certificate for Barack, issued in Hawaii, confirming his birth there, then there's an equal requirement for presenting to the world the supposed Mombassa birth certificate.

So far, the preponderance of documented evidence and testimony is that Barack was born in Hawaii. The only evidence cited for a birth in Kenya are a yet to be seen birth certificate supposedly issued in Mombassa, and uncorroborated eyewitness testimony of only three people--his paternal grandmother, who may have had a beef against Ann, or simply wanted people to think her grandson was born in Kenya, and his half-brother and half-sister, whose more recent statements place Barack's birth in Hawaii. Has anybody, besides people like Berg's investigators, recently asked Barack's paternal grandmother to confirm whether she really said Barack was born in Kenya, and gotten her statement on video?

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If the airline, when she departed from Kenya to return to Hawaii, wouldn't let a pregnant Ann onboard, why would the airline when she originally departed from Hawaii for Kenya, allow her onboard? Were there different regulations on different legs of the trip? Different airlines? How long were they in Kenya before Ann decided to return to Hawaii--long enough so that she went from being OK'd for travel from Hawaii to Kenya, but then came too close to term while in Kenya?

Details matter.

The story we've heard about the experience Ann had on her trip to meet the Obama family in Kenya, was that the Obama family didn't like her since she was white, and she in turn was displeased at how women were treated by Muslims in Kenya. Both experiences led to her quick return to Hawaii. Could there have been some long-lasting bad feelings between Ann and Barack's paternal grandmother, to the point where the grandmother would, even recently, falsely say that Obama was born in Kenya? Or would she falsely say Barack was born in Kenya, due to her pride in Barack, her grandson?

There are other questions surrounding Obama's citizenship, such as whether his childhood in Indonesia, as an Indonesian citizen, caused him to lose his American citizenship, or whether he had dual citizenship, lack of a recorded oath of allegiance, etc. when he returned from Indonesia to Hawaii, but these pale in comparison to where he was actually born, and these other issues would probably be dismissed if it could be proven where he was born.

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Though having Obama's original birth certificate--whether one issued in Hawaii, or Kenya--might answer the question as to where he was born, lacking that, we can look at other information to try to get some anwers.

First, the supposed statements in Berg's suit:

"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. At her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth."

Obama Sr., Ann's husband, also traveled with her to Kenya on this trip--the purpose of the trip was to introduce Ann to Obama Sr.'s family. Variations of these stories have Obama's paternal grandmother supposedly stating that she was in the delivery room in Mombassa, Kenya when Obama was born. But are there any actual records, corroborating eyewitness testimony, etc. about a Kenyan birth, or even about these members of Obama Sr.'s family having made such statements? Berg also cites no evidence that Ann wasn't allowed onboard the return flight from Kenya to Hawaii since she was too close to delivering Barack. In fact, these supposed "facts", and "statements" by Obama Sr.'s family, from Berg's suit, are completely uncorroborated, but repeated as if proven by many other news sources, as reported by "What's Your Evidence?" (http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/was-obama-born.html)--so far, the only people testifying to this supposed evidence are Berg's investigators, and everyone else is just repeating that without doing their own investigating.

Some of the pieces of information we need to do our own investigation into the above statements: What about the airline(s) that Obama's mother Ann traveled on, to return from Kenya to Hawaii--do any records for those flights still exist (a trip that probably involved connecting flights, since at the time there were probably no direct planes traveling the great distance from Kenya to Hawaii), and if so, do they show departure and arrival dates and times, and whether a pregnant Ann was on these flights, or Ann plus a newborn? If they showed a pregnant Ann getting on board, theoretically she could have faked that--a pillow under her dress, and her newborn in a carry-on bag--if she was really determined to get Obama registered as being born in Hawaii, but could she have kept the presence of a newborn secret once they were on board what were, at the time, much smaller planes than we have now? And would she really have gone through all that trouble just to get Barack registered as being born in Hawaii? Probably not.

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There has been an exhaustive and unbiased analysis of the COLB posted on the KOS site, done by a certified forensic document examiner with over 15 years experience in both the documunents and the technologies used by the various branches of the federal and state governments for official use. Here's the link: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html. As Mr. Miller states in this article from FactCheck.org, he found it difficult to speak with anyone at the Hawaii DOH to corroborate the challenges made by various sources as to the authenticity of the copy of the COLB given to him by the Obama campaign. The examiner in the analysis article also encountered similar difficulties... but he kept going! He states, "While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk???s offices. He was unwilling to give any specific details but did provide enough information to work with. The COLB certificates are printed directly in the clerk???s office at the time they are requested. The system uses a standard laser printer and the border is printed at the same time as the text and other images on top of preprinted security paper. He stated the border is a vector image and would appear crisp and defined. When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. When asked if he had seen the images on-line he replied that he had ??? and that there is ???no way??? they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions." I wonder if Mr. Miller has been duped? Is it possible? All of this controversy could settled by the Obama campaign providing his 'original' COLB... so why haven't they? At least then we can get back to the real issues.

It seems as though this article has entirely based it conclusion of being valid based on what FactCheck.org has to say. Since FactCheck.org is purely funded by the Annenberg foundation, and the fact that both Obama and Bill Ayers both have sponsored the Annenberg, don't you think that one might consider it being the only sole source for verifying it would be a conflict of interest? Now knowing that, I think it discredits anything FactCheck.org says with regards to any political questions. I agree with Phillip Berg that we need a Court not a website to verify this, it is after all our constitution we are talking about. Even if it is real, he lost his citizenship when he became Indonesian.
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